but, it is tricky because while you are not a unitarian organization, pen america is, like the ali velshi book club, we are advocates for speech and freedom of speech. we focus on authors that might not be to the tastes of some of our viewers. the point is you read it if you want, we don't think the state should on it. how do you measure the role used to play as an actual advocacy organization when it comes to issues like this, which are so fraught? >> it is tough. i'm not going to pretend it has been easy. but we try to do is read all the analysis, understand all the perspectives, and reflected to the best of our ability what it means to stand up for free expression but also to stick clearly to our mission and not deviate. something that has been important for us is we do align with and partner with all sorts of organizations. we have writers with all sorts of beliefs are part of pen america. we tell them up front, we are a free expression organization. there will be things, whether it is criminal justice reform or environmental protection, that you are engaged with that we are not engag