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renato: i think that is right. i do think there are a number of issues, particularly the judge's good -- ruling regarding some pretrial motions as well as his jury instructions that he gave regarding the agreement of the jerry -- jury as to the unlawful means by which the election was sought to be influenced and the underlying campaign finance crime which now has been proven to be concealed here. i do think that there are some issues there that there could be room for disagreement. you can see some potential merits on appeal. that said, i have to think that prosecutors are very pleased right now because regardless of what happens on appeal, they did prevail in trial. amna: that is renato mariotti and jessica roth joining us tonight. thank you to you both. we appreciate your time. geoff: can we are of course watching this historic verdict against the backdrop of the current presidential election. joining us now is our political team. that is lisa desjardins, who covers the trump campaign. and laura barron-lopez, who
renato: i think that is right. i do think there are a number of issues, particularly the judge's good -- ruling regarding some pretrial motions as well as his jury instructions that he gave regarding the agreement of the jerry -- jury as to the unlawful means by which the election was sought to be influenced and the underlying campaign finance crime which now has been proven to be concealed here. i do think that there are some issues there that there could be room for disagreement. you can see...
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i want to bring in former federal prosecutor renato mar ya tee, with me in studio, danny cevallos. i have so many questions, danny. let me start with the whole goal for the defense, poke holes into michael cohen's credibility and to his story. there seems to be a general agreement, no big holes were poked, so how do you adjust for tomorrow? >> i think reorganize. when you have a witness like michael cohen when there's so much out there, he's tweeted so much, he's said so much, he's written books about things that you can compare and find and you can mine those for inconsistent statements, it can be overwhelming to prepare a cross examination in this situation. and keep in mind, you're not just writing a script. you're writing a script that for every question the person you're asking is looking to zing you, looking to throw you off, and to some degree michael cohen has done that. i wouldn't say he's been combative, maybe not quite so much like stormy daniels, but he certainly is somewhat unwilling to give a straight yes or no answer. some witnesses are like that. >> is that his bigg
i want to bring in former federal prosecutor renato mar ya tee, with me in studio, danny cevallos. i have so many questions, danny. let me start with the whole goal for the defense, poke holes into michael cohen's credibility and to his story. there seems to be a general agreement, no big holes were poked, so how do you adjust for tomorrow? >> i think reorganize. when you have a witness like michael cohen when there's so much out there, he's tweeted so much, he's said so much, he's...
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back with me, duncan levin, renato mar attie and chris jansing. we have to remember, donald trump has denied that this sexual encounter ever happened so when stormy daniels describes all of those details and the room, the furniture, the pajamas, where they were sitting, and telling the story consistently from a dozen years from different venues how difficult is for the defense to argue she's lying? >> i think it's going to be challenging, and candidly, i think that the defense made a bit of a mistake here by not admitting this took place. their defense is not that this didn't take place. i don't know that it matters whether it took place. the bottom line they wanted to pay a lot of money to keep this account out of the media, keep this out of the public eye. that's really donald trump's pride and hubris getting in the way of a proper defense of this case and i really think that is what gave the prosecution the leeway from the judge to get into some of these details, which i think it's obvious are embarrassing, damaging, and it's a really difficult
back with me, duncan levin, renato mar attie and chris jansing. we have to remember, donald trump has denied that this sexual encounter ever happened so when stormy daniels describes all of those details and the room, the furniture, the pajamas, where they were sitting, and telling the story consistently from a dozen years from different venues how difficult is for the defense to argue she's lying? >> i think it's going to be challenging, and candidly, i think that the defense made a bit...
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-- renato, you have done a mock trial with us before. old school msnbc beatniks may remember, you and alan dershowitz went to a new york courtroom and did a mock trial. do you have examples of questions you would like to see cohen asked next week to deal with what we discussed, on the one hand, real doubts raised. on the other hand, a lot of receipts back him up. >> they need to focus on the pieces of his testimony that don't have receipts. that don't have corroboration. and they haven't done that. that's really the biggest failure thus far. >> what would you ask? >> well, i would ask, for example, mr. cohen, there is no email whatsoever from donald trump to you regarding the falsification of business records, is there? there's no text message, there's no -- you don't have a recording of donald trump talking to you about falsifying business records, do you? walk through all of the ways in which you can isolate pieces of his testimony that aren't corroborated. that's what the defense should be focused on but they're all over the place. th
-- renato, you have done a mock trial with us before. old school msnbc beatniks may remember, you and alan dershowitz went to a new york courtroom and did a mock trial. do you have examples of questions you would like to see cohen asked next week to deal with what we discussed, on the one hand, real doubts raised. on the other hand, a lot of receipts back him up. >> they need to focus on the pieces of his testimony that don't have receipts. that don't have corroboration. and they haven't...
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renato's completely right. and by the way, the closer you get to the paper, right, with witnesses who handled it who, you know, mailed it, who received it, who deposited it, who processed it, the closer you get to the central allegations of this case. whether or not mr. trump had sex with stormy daniels in a hotel room is largely irrelevant. catherine christian put it well earlier today. the case really comes down to -- i'm sorry, her role, stormy daniels' role, it really comes down to one sentence. was she paid money to remain quiet about an affair that she had with mr. trump and obviously paid just before the 2016 presidential election. it would be wonderful if mr. weisselberg were available and truthful and cooperative. apparently none of those things are true. the government would have to be very careful about immunizing someone like him and probably thinks that they have other ways to prove the documents at issue in this case, the assistant bookkeeper, rebecca manochio is one such way. this is what they ne
renato's completely right. and by the way, the closer you get to the paper, right, with witnesses who handled it who, you know, mailed it, who received it, who deposited it, who processed it, the closer you get to the central allegations of this case. whether or not mr. trump had sex with stormy daniels in a hotel room is largely irrelevant. catherine christian put it well earlier today. the case really comes down to -- i'm sorry, her role, stormy daniels' role, it really comes down to one...
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we are joined by molly and renato. this was striking testimony. for the jury who was we remind people might no be as up to date on everything. it is certainly like wow, testimony. do you think it did what the prosecutors needed to do, given that again, observing the trial as objectively as we can, they certainly ran into more turbulence with the judge than any other day i can remember? >> yeah. i mean, they definitely had a judgment call that they made here. and the judgment call they made is that they decided that they wanted to show the jury why this testimony from her would be embarrassing to trump. why the story would be embarrassing. why trump had a motive to keep it all silent. why he was willing to put himself out there. why he was willing to take time from his busy schedule as a president to deal with this. they thought that this vivid testimony would accomplish that. they may be right. i will say, though, that upsetting the judge in the middle of the trial is not a good idea. he did tell them on the front end do not get into details and t
we are joined by molly and renato. this was striking testimony. for the jury who was we remind people might no be as up to date on everything. it is certainly like wow, testimony. do you think it did what the prosecutors needed to do, given that again, observing the trial as objectively as we can, they certainly ran into more turbulence with the judge than any other day i can remember? >> yeah. i mean, they definitely had a judgment call that they made here. and the judgment call they...
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four just one and renato, i mean, that's that's been my kind of question throughout all of this. is mike, we have just one juror who perhaps didn't share everything during this jury selection process and whammo, it's just that's gonna be it. that's how this case is going to play out. what's your, sense what, i mean? the other thing to think about too is that they've had several days now to mole all of this over and perhaps forget some of the fireworks that we saw towards the end of testimony that's right. >> i if i was in the defense team, i will be focused on a hung jury, particularly with two lawyers in the jury. i will be making legalistic arguments to those two lawyers trying to get a technical win here where i don't essentially there's no conviction and i would i would say lack of a conviction, i would spin as a win i was in there. they're on their team. they're not doing that. that's not the approach that they've taken. it'll be interesting to see if they switch that approach it at at closing argument, but i will say with somebody as well-known and controversial is donald t
four just one and renato, i mean, that's that's been my kind of question throughout all of this. is mike, we have just one juror who perhaps didn't share everything during this jury selection process and whammo, it's just that's gonna be it. that's how this case is going to play out. what's your, sense what, i mean? the other thing to think about too is that they've had several days now to mole all of this over and perhaps forget some of the fireworks that we saw towards the end of testimony...
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. >> okay, renato, so after trump's attorneys are done with cohen, what happens? they will get a chance for redirect. we referred to that. how big of a cleanup job of the speaker lacks >> reporter: i don't think every significant one. i think the prosecutors will really be wise to think of the adage less is more. one mistake that the defense has made here is by going so hard so much against michael cohen, some of their zingers, like we just talked about a moment ago, were lost amidst all of the ballasts of random questions about every tweet he's ever made and every conversation on a podcast that he's ever done. so i think the prosecution is going to want to have a short set of questions. i would do less than 15 minutes on the very high end of questions to refocus things. also keeping in mind, alex, that the defense could eventually come back up and recross based on the scope of the redirect. so they only want to clean up the things that are absolutely necessary and then ultimately, they would be proceeding last the defense has a witness to closing arguments. >> th
. >> okay, renato, so after trump's attorneys are done with cohen, what happens? they will get a chance for redirect. we referred to that. how big of a cleanup job of the speaker lacks >> reporter: i don't think every significant one. i think the prosecutors will really be wise to think of the adage less is more. one mistake that the defense has made here is by going so hard so much against michael cohen, some of their zingers, like we just talked about a moment ago, were lost...
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why are they going back to this at this point, renato? >> a couple of things. michael cohen is the narrator of the prosecution's case. he's the connective tissue that puts everything together. you know, the jury doesn't get a story. this isn't like watching a documentary at home or a law and order episode. they get to hear all of the testimony of all of the witnesses that are unconnected with each other, and michael cohen can help connect the dots. that's one reason why. there's another reason why. you know, michael cohen is somebody who has some credibility issues to put it mildly. and what the prosecution is trying to do is on the issues where michael cohen's testimony does dove tail with other people that the jury has heard from, or connects up with other written evidence, whether it's text messages, call logs, e-mails, everything that they possibly can, the prosecution is trying to use those other documents to bolster cohen's credibility to use that other testimony from other people to bolster cohen's credibility because there are very key points in which c
why are they going back to this at this point, renato? >> a couple of things. michael cohen is the narrator of the prosecution's case. he's the connective tissue that puts everything together. you know, the jury doesn't get a story. this isn't like watching a documentary at home or a law and order episode. they get to hear all of the testimony of all of the witnesses that are unconnected with each other, and michael cohen can help connect the dots. that's one reason why. there's another...
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we also have renato and bernard it back here with me. i mean, what do you make of what you're hearing from what the trump team is planning and how that could play out with the jury. >> look, there is a different kind of math that we've talked about, which is that michael cohen was getting a salary of $375,000 from the trump organization. his last check from the trump organization, we've had testimony from jeff mcconney was in january of 2017, his first check from trump or the trump trust is in february of 2017, and it's for $35,000 as i've said, if you divide $375,000 by at 12, you get 31,000 and change the math works out. the timing works out, the problem is, michael cohen says, i didn't do anything. i didn't do any legal work. and the trump team has taken on the burden that they're going to what prove you did do legal work. >> yeah. he said no legal services and also so grossed up but when you look at this and there were there was a big knockout blow from the trump team on tuesday. obviously, they were only there for a little bit. they
we also have renato and bernard it back here with me. i mean, what do you make of what you're hearing from what the trump team is planning and how that could play out with the jury. >> look, there is a different kind of math that we've talked about, which is that michael cohen was getting a salary of $375,000 from the trump organization. his last check from the trump organization, we've had testimony from jeff mcconney was in january of 2017, his first check from trump or the trump trust...
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let's speak to former us federal prosecutor renato mariotti. just listening to the judge there, you get a perfect example of why this is such a complex case. what do you make of what you have just had there and how far the prosecution has gone so far in making his case? i do agree with the judge that there is going to be an issue for prosecutors when it comes to proving that felony peace of this. i actually disagree with her in the sense that i think there is also an issue for the prosecution when it comes to proving the misdemeanour element, because i don't think they have proven beyond reasonable doubt that trump was aware of the false statements in business records. there was some evidence of that, coen's testimony, there is an argument that the checks out evidence of that, but i think that is another point... evidence of that, but i think that is another point. . ._ evidence of that, but i think that is another point... michael cohen said trump _ is another point... michael cohen said trump didn't _ is another point... michael cohen said tr
let's speak to former us federal prosecutor renato mariotti. just listening to the judge there, you get a perfect example of why this is such a complex case. what do you make of what you have just had there and how far the prosecution has gone so far in making his case? i do agree with the judge that there is going to be an issue for prosecutors when it comes to proving that felony peace of this. i actually disagree with her in the sense that i think there is also an issue for the prosecution...
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molly and renato, on one of the biggest days of testimony we've had, my thanks to both of you. we have a special show tonight barrelling through all of this including coming up why some of trump's critics say this testimony was about a whole lot more than a single criminal case. >> and nobody should be untouchable. it doesn't matter what your job description is, whether you're the president. >> here we are, and we as part of our special coverage have one of the very first journalists to speak with stormy daniels. this was back before trump ever woman any elections, and what she testified today. that's next. s, and what she testified today. that's next. we're talking about cashbacking. we're talking about... we're not talking about practice? no... cashbacking. word. we're talking about cashbacking. cashbacking. cashbacking. cashback like a pro with chase freedom unlimited. how do you cashback? the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last fo
molly and renato, on one of the biggest days of testimony we've had, my thanks to both of you. we have a special show tonight barrelling through all of this including coming up why some of trump's critics say this testimony was about a whole lot more than a single criminal case. >> and nobody should be untouchable. it doesn't matter what your job description is, whether you're the president. >> here we are, and we as part of our special coverage have one of the very first...
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so really, these are, these have renato words, if you want or technology to use in order to justify that war crimes in guys but, but they go on, they've gone, believe it or not, a lot of the people in foward basis like germany and do you ok i'm sort of continues to peddle such and such and such false accusations as do need to ship in the us congress. and these are important people, not because the credible is just because they are bullies and the u. k. and the u. s. continued to believe the world and then they're back to international law. but the narrative is, is looking for these reasons. it's supporters with in the united states as an or well, the 2nd the, the by the session continues now to provide reserve of the support it needs. it's an election year and i think by the end has boxed himself and behind nothing. you know, unfortunately, and that seems like there's no way back out of that company can leadership and congress is even worse. they continuously repeat the vehicle versus a little uh you know, more of the same uh, kind of uh, medieval approach to my, the international law an
so really, these are, these have renato words, if you want or technology to use in order to justify that war crimes in guys but, but they go on, they've gone, believe it or not, a lot of the people in foward basis like germany and do you ok i'm sort of continues to peddle such and such and such false accusations as do need to ship in the us congress. and these are important people, not because the credible is just because they are bullies and the u. k. and the u. s. continued to believe the...
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the second guess, but i do agree with renato mariotti that there are some obvious strategic missteps here that i think could have been done differently. for example, i think the defense made a mistake when they affirmatively argued to the jury, donald trump never had sex with stormy daniels in that hotel hello, room. maybe there was a political motivation, but legally, that sort of back the defense into a corner. they could have just taken the position hey, folks, on the jury doesn't matter irrelevant to this case and not wasted time and not waste the time cross-examining stormy daniel's and not expended some of their most vital credibility capital that's one thing calling robert costello as a defense witness has really the only there was another paralegal, but calling robert costello was the only substantive defense witness to me was a huge mistake. i think his testimony backfired. it was the last thing the jury heard. and frankly, i think that the attacks on michael cohen could have been much more direct and much more forceful. for example, i don't think todd blanche made enough of
the second guess, but i do agree with renato mariotti that there are some obvious strategic missteps here that i think could have been done differently. for example, i think the defense made a mistake when they affirmatively argued to the jury, donald trump never had sex with stormy daniels in that hotel hello, room. maybe there was a political motivation, but legally, that sort of back the defense into a corner. they could have just taken the position hey, folks, on the jury doesn't matter...
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i read an op-ed this morning, bar a friend, renato mariotti, who said, one thing that offense it was opened the door to stormy daniels testimony because of the opening statements, todd blanche says they didn't have sex, right? he didn't have to say anything about that by doing that, you open the door to stormy daniel's. the other thing mariotti said is they didn't focus on exactly where the gray area is enough, which is what did donald trump actually know or do about the false documents? >> yeah. i mean, i think those are good points. i always hate to armchair quarterback and i know everybody still trying to digest the verdict that was especially on the, defense team. i'm sure but i do think maybe a more cohesive story, a lot of talking to a jury is just telling a story. are you able to tell it in a way that sets the base, sets the hook, and then keeps them interested in with you through the trial. and i think there was a little meandering back and forth. it would own i think they let they got into some information that was not necessary i mean, i think a lot of the questions it migh
i read an op-ed this morning, bar a friend, renato mariotti, who said, one thing that offense it was opened the door to stormy daniels testimony because of the opening statements, todd blanche says they didn't have sex, right? he didn't have to say anything about that by doing that, you open the door to stormy daniel's. the other thing mariotti said is they didn't focus on exactly where the gray area is enough, which is what did donald trump actually know or do about the false documents?...
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renato mariotti. he says, quote trump is his lawyers worst enemy, the smart strategy would have been to stipulate that the encounter with daniel's took place, so there would be no reason for her to testify instead, they're heating his wish going after her heart and cross-examination . jurors, what like it unquote what do you think of that and what did have been possible just to stipulate? the mr. trump's stipulates that he met stormy daniels and she alleges something and he disagrees. but either way, he didn't want the story out there. i mean, could that have been stipulated even if without acknowledging something he didn't want to acknowledge what you can stipulate almost anything but both parties have to agree great. i'm not convinced that bragg's office was poised to agree to some kind of equivocating stipulation involving stormy daniels. look jake, i mean, you know, from having me on from the beginning, i've said focus all attention on michael cohen that where you want this battle from the defense
renato mariotti. he says, quote trump is his lawyers worst enemy, the smart strategy would have been to stipulate that the encounter with daniel's took place, so there would be no reason for her to testify instead, they're heating his wish going after her heart and cross-examination . jurors, what like it unquote what do you think of that and what did have been possible just to stipulate? the mr. trump's stipulates that he met stormy daniels and she alleges something and he disagrees. but...