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this is pecker on director. what did you understand the purpose of the trump tower meeting to be before you actually got there? most of the time when i received a call from michael cohen he wanted something, i assumed they were going to ask. i was going to be asked for something. i didn't know what it was before i got there. prosecutor, can you describe for the jury what happened at the meeting please? david pecker, at the meeting donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i did previously i said what i would do is i would run or publish positive stories about mr. trump and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. and i said that i would also be the eyes and ears of your -- i said i would be the eyes and ears because i know that the trump organization had a very small staff, and then i said that anything i hear in the marketplace if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling s
this is pecker on director. what did you understand the purpose of the trump tower meeting to be before you actually got there? most of the time when i received a call from michael cohen he wanted something, i assumed they were going to ask. i was going to be asked for something. i didn't know what it was before i got there. prosecutor, can you describe for the jury what happened at the meeting please? david pecker, at the meeting donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what...
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pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted, quote, i said that anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify michael cohen, as i did, over the last several years. i'm going to keep reading because this is what the jury's likely to be given tomorrow, as they do the review. pecker continuing, i would notify michael cohen. and then he'd be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them purchased. or somebody would have to purchase them. the d.a. follows up, purchase the n
pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted,...
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so they're going back what it pecker say, what it pecker say to trump what did what did pecker when they met with cohen and trump and hope hicks coming in and out of that meeting. what happened there? we know what their focuses and they wanna be apprised as suspicious typically, what the law is, but they may have additional questions as they go back, we know obviously what their thought processes as of now all right. >> joey for, me jim. thank you all so very much. it's all there's a lot going on here and a lot we're eating. as you can read on your screen with us, it continues as we speak good morning and welcome to cnn, special coverage of the trump hush money trial. >> i'm jake tapper in washington alongside kaitlan collins in new york this morning, the jury in donald trump's criminal hush money trial is back to work. the seven men and five women will ultimately decide whether a former president is convicted of felony crimes for the first time in the history of the united states of america. and mr. trump is in court awaiting their decision. we just learned that the jury has submitted i
so they're going back what it pecker say, what it pecker say to trump what did what did pecker when they met with cohen and trump and hope hicks coming in and out of that meeting. what happened there? we know what their focuses and they wanna be apprised as suspicious typically, what the law is, but they may have additional questions as they go back, we know obviously what their thought processes as of now all right. >> joey for, me jim. thank you all so very much. it's all there's a lot...
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call that they are looking at between pecker and trump, he asks pecker, or he tells pecker, i should say, i spoke to michael. karen is a nice girl. that line stands out, right? he seems to also confirm it sounds like -- he knows mcdougal. >> that's how pecker took it. they actually asked pecker. >> if you didn't know, wouldn't you deny it. it's human nature to look towards what's the natural reaction and his natural -- donald trump's natural reaction was not who? what are you talking about? who is that? i mean, if you think about trump meeting all of these, quote, beautiful women all the time. he didn't say who. she's a nice lady. she's a beautiful lady. i mean, that's the thing that makes pecker so credible. my mentor and friend donald trump still. i mean, consider what pecker's been through. he's lost money with trump, right? he's been shafted by him. he's gone through the fec, the sdny, the manhattan d.a. dude's not even at the "national enquirer" anymore because of all of this, and what does he get for it? he's still my friend and mentor. the credibility of pecker is powerful. th
call that they are looking at between pecker and trump, he asks pecker, or he tells pecker, i should say, i spoke to michael. karen is a nice girl. that line stands out, right? he seems to also confirm it sounds like -- he knows mcdougal. >> that's how pecker took it. they actually asked pecker. >> if you didn't know, wouldn't you deny it. it's human nature to look towards what's the natural reaction and his natural -- donald trump's natural reaction was not who? what are you...
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pecker's testimony on direct. directing your attention to a couple of months later, now in august of 2015. did there come a time when you attended a meeting at trump tower, answer, yes. do you remember when roughly that meeting was in august? answer, it was in the middle of august. and who was present for that meeting? answer, donald trump, michael cohen, and hope hicks. was hope hicks there the whole time or was she in and out? she was in and out. how about michael cohen and donald trump, were they there for the duration of the meeting. how did the meeting come about? how did you know to go? i received a call from michael cohen telling me that the boss wanted to see me. that's how when i spoke to michael cohen, he referred to donald trump as the boss. what did you understand the purpose of the meeting to be before you actually got there? pecker testifies, most of the time when i receive a call from michael cohen, he wanted something. so i assume that they were going to ask or that i was going to be asked for some
pecker's testimony on direct. directing your attention to a couple of months later, now in august of 2015. did there come a time when you attended a meeting at trump tower, answer, yes. do you remember when roughly that meeting was in august? answer, it was in the middle of august. and who was present for that meeting? answer, donald trump, michael cohen, and hope hicks. was hope hicks there the whole time or was she in and out? she was in and out. how about michael cohen and donald trump, were...
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pecker continuing. i would notify michael cohen and have them killed or somebody would have to purchase them. and then listen to this. the da's team follows up. purchase the negative stories about mr. trump so they would not get published you mean? and pecker confirms that they would not get published. yes. i would run or public positive stories about trump. and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. if you are thinking i get the point, you need to get the point beyond a reasonable doubt if they are going to win. all of this stuff is supposed to be dead to rights and we know in the da's closing arguments which will not be reread tomorrow but are relevant, prosecutor steinglass said the prism through which you should examine things. trying to become more powerful by controlling the flow of information that could reach the voters. the question is not one of rhetoric or ideology, it is, is that true and proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they did that
pecker continuing. i would notify michael cohen and have them killed or somebody would have to purchase them. and then listen to this. the da's team follows up. purchase the negative stories about mr. trump so they would not get published you mean? and pecker confirms that they would not get published. yes. i would run or public positive stories about trump. and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. if you are thinking i get the point, you...
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where early on pecker's talking about it with cohen and then pecker says, we're out of here because we don't want to get stiff. again, it's starting to get a little dicey maybe with campaign finance stuff so the way they phrased the question is a little confusing, but i also want to know this. it's not always obvious what pieces of testimony are responsive to the note and sometimes the lawyers will disagree sometimes it's quite obvious, right. okay. david pecker's testimony about the august 2015 meeting, easy to find that, but his testimony about reading from the note the decision not to finalize and fund the assignment of karen mcdougal's life rights that could be 2030 pages of testimony, maybe not even consented get it. so what the lawyers are doing right now is they're sitting there with a mountain of transcripts, thousands of pages. maybe the word searching, and they're saying, okay, question one, can we agree that that's page for 84 lines 23 through 4902? >> but there is there is such a thing as the lawyers disagreeing on what's responsive. yeah, this is an important point here ul
where early on pecker's talking about it with cohen and then pecker says, we're out of here because we don't want to get stiff. again, it's starting to get a little dicey maybe with campaign finance stuff so the way they phrased the question is a little confusing, but i also want to know this. it's not always obvious what pieces of testimony are responsive to the note and sometimes the lawyers will disagree sometimes it's quite obvious, right. okay. david pecker's testimony about the august...
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said pecker. those articles were negative, right? yes. said pecker. so as easy for you to say during the august 2015 meeting that you would continue to do that, right? yes. said pecker. >> that was no issue for you? no. said pecker. >> we talked yesterday about things that were mutually beneficial, that that was entirely beneficial to ami that was entirely beneficial to ami steinglass that the prosecutor objects. >> the court sustains it running those stories were beneficial to ami, correct pecker running the stories are beneficial to am i correct? >> and doing what was good for ami was standard operating procedure says yes. and then there's another part of this this is the cross-examination by the defense of david pecker. >> i want to stick with the august 2015 meeting. okay. again, this is the trump tower meeting between trump michael cohen and tabloid king david pecker. you see a charcoal rendering of him on your screen right there. at that meeting, the concept of catch-and-kill was not discussed, correct? pecker, that's correct. and there was no d
said pecker. those articles were negative, right? yes. said pecker. so as easy for you to say during the august 2015 meeting that you would continue to do that, right? yes. said pecker. >> that was no issue for you? no. said pecker. >> we talked yesterday about things that were mutually beneficial, that that was entirely beneficial to ami that was entirely beneficial to ami steinglass that the prosecutor objects. >> the court sustains it running those stories were beneficial...
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they wanted david pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with donald trump while pecker was in the investor meeting. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding his decision not to finalize and fund karen macdougal's life rights. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding the august 15 trump tower meeting. they wanted michael cohen's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting per judge marchan's jury instructions. they went right to pecker's testimony. >> and two of those requests relate back to that meeting at trump tower in august of 2015, two months after donald trump announces that he is running for election. david pecker is called by michael cohen. he actually says he knew they wanted something, that's the only reason he ever heard from michael cohen. when he goes there they say what can you do for us, to help the campaign? he says, open the eyes and ears, i'll purchase negative stories off the market while running negative stories about your rivals and helping promote donald trump. that is the layering of this conspiracy to influence the 2016 election. and then what ha
they wanted david pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with donald trump while pecker was in the investor meeting. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding his decision not to finalize and fund karen macdougal's life rights. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding the august 15 trump tower meeting. they wanted michael cohen's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting per judge marchan's jury instructions. they went right to pecker's testimony. >> and two of those...
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so they're going back what it pecker say, what it pecker say to trump what did what did pecker when they met with cohen and trump and hope hicks coming in and out of that meeting. what happened there? we know what their focuses and they wanna be apprised as suspicious typically, what the law is, but they may have additional questions as they go back, we know obviously what their thought processes as of now all right. >> joey for, me jim. thank
so they're going back what it pecker say, what it pecker say to trump what did what did pecker when they met with cohen and trump and hope hicks coming in and out of that meeting. what happened there? we know what their focuses and they wanna be apprised as suspicious typically, what the law is, but they may have additional questions as they go back, we know obviously what their thought processes as of now all right. >> joey for, me jim. thank
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read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that are important but hopefully the juror will remember, okay, this is just my recollection. let me actually hear what that witness testified to by having the court reporter read it back. >> and i wonder if it can be helpful in this sense and some jurors i talked to, they said, well, in fact most of the jurors i have talked to have said, well, we started with an initial, you know, guilty, not guilty, not sure. and in asking questions, why are you so sure they're guilty, not guilty or unsure, somebody will say, well, i have it here that da
read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that...
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it wasn't pecker calling trump or cohen calling pecker. it puts trump at the heart, the lead of the conspiracy, not this passive person with michael cohen in charge going rogue. again, it could be just three jurors who wanted to hear this. but if i'm the prosecutor, i'm happy they are focusing on that. i'm also happy they wanted the law read back, even though it was a lot to read back. i'm hoping they are applying the law and the facts in a really key -- to key in. >> paul charlton, weigh in in terms of the complexity of the case. they have a choice of what the underlying alleged crime could be. that's sort of a dealer's choice. but the fact that they seem to be focused on the heart of the case. what is that telling you as a former prosecutor? >> like katherine, andrea, i try to be humble about these things, cautious how you read these things. it's hard to assign with any real degree of certainty what this means exactly. i would take some comfort in the fact that they are focusing on this aspect of the conspiracy. at the same time, you wil
it wasn't pecker calling trump or cohen calling pecker. it puts trump at the heart, the lead of the conspiracy, not this passive person with michael cohen in charge going rogue. again, it could be just three jurors who wanted to hear this. but if i'm the prosecutor, i'm happy they are focusing on that. i'm also happy they wanted the law read back, even though it was a lot to read back. i'm hoping they are applying the law and the facts in a really key -- to key in. >> paul charlton, weigh...
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and you mentioned dave pecker. pecker, the jury is asking for more testimony from david pecker, and i wonder what that signals to you. >> it's a good day for the prosecutors is what it signals to me. so joshua steinglass in his closing said -- and just took my notes like multiple times about each of these pieces of evidence he said for the trump tower meeting this is really the prism through which you should analyze the evidence in this case, and they asked for testimony about it. with respect to the call that they asked about in june 2016 between pecker and trump, again we're focusing on trump's role. you know, with all the evidence of documents in this case, it's easy to lose sight of the significance of this phone call. and walks them through why it's so significant, right? because this is donald trump directly talking about paying off, you know, karen mcdougal and deputizing michael cohen as the person that he should deal with after that. >> so it's the rosetta stone for the conspiracy. >> yes. and even the mcd
and you mentioned dave pecker. pecker, the jury is asking for more testimony from david pecker, and i wonder what that signals to you. >> it's a good day for the prosecutors is what it signals to me. so joshua steinglass in his closing said -- and just took my notes like multiple times about each of these pieces of evidence he said for the trump tower meeting this is really the prism through which you should analyze the evidence in this case, and they asked for testimony about it. with...
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to david pecker and liked david pecker more than he liked donald trump no. >> it is. and this is analysis from abby phillip who is inside the prosecution is laying out evidence and speaks to why michael cohen was so concerned that david pecker was furious about not being repaid there was a lot of information that the tabloid had on trump in a secure drawer. cohen didn't know what was in it, but he wanted to make sure pecker remained loyal to trump. so that's the significance. of that. and then inside the courtroom after being asked if you ever altered the recording and michael cohen says no, was it typical for you to discuss financial matters with allen weisselberg? prosecuting attorney susan hoffinger asks, it was typical for everyone to discuss financial matters with allen weisselberg, cohen says, cohen also notes at weisselberg was a longtime loyal employee to trump. >> so the word loyal, let's just talk about what's behind everything here, which is michael cohen's credibility and i think it's important to remind our audience. he is not getting anything for his tes
to david pecker and liked david pecker more than he liked donald trump no. >> it is. and this is analysis from abby phillip who is inside the prosecution is laying out evidence and speaks to why michael cohen was so concerned that david pecker was furious about not being repaid there was a lot of information that the tabloid had on trump in a secure drawer. cohen didn't know what was in it, but he wanted to make sure pecker remained loyal to trump. so that's the significance. of that. and...
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, let's look at pecker's testimony. there is a whole slew of reasons why this could be happening. i think the meeting itself, that's the first step chronologically and it really speaks to that idea of conspiracy. but we could absolutely hear more questions, because keep in mind, we have documents, you know, 34 different business records that serve as the basis to this case. and this meeting and the testimony we're hearing about, this really relates to that predicate crime, that election law conspiracy more so than the falsification of the records themselves. >> you know, i'm going to keep on going back and cash in a dollar on one of my tea leaf comments. i think when you consider what the reading back in terms of the testimony and you couple that with the readback of the jury instruction for the elements of falsifying business records, which is charge number one, the same thing as charge two, ten and 34, to me, if i'm guessing a little bit, they now are considering the elements of the crime pretty early. so they're movi
, let's look at pecker's testimony. there is a whole slew of reasons why this could be happening. i think the meeting itself, that's the first step chronologically and it really speaks to that idea of conspiracy. but we could absolutely hear more questions, because keep in mind, we have documents, you know, 34 different business records that serve as the basis to this case. and this meeting and the testimony we're hearing about, this really relates to that predicate crime, that election law...
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pecker said he would be trump's eyes and ears. cohen recalled pecker said he would keep an eye out for anything negative. in the grand scheme, though, of this case, how important is it? >> it's very important. we have heard, this is the meeting where the election law conspiracy was hatched, right, and you have not just -- both of them essentially saying the same thing on the three main points that the prosecution has argued were the birth of this conspiracy, the, you know, pecker being the eyes and ears, if anything negative was coming up, particularly from women, you know, we're going to kill those stories, placing negative stories against his opponents and then positive stories about trump, those three things. and both of them corroborated each other about those three goals. they also corroborated each other in one other way, this was one of those areas where it just didn't feel like they needed to take this on. both of them talked about the importance of the "national enquirer," so pecker said they called the meeting because th
pecker said he would be trump's eyes and ears. cohen recalled pecker said he would keep an eye out for anything negative. in the grand scheme, though, of this case, how important is it? >> it's very important. we have heard, this is the meeting where the election law conspiracy was hatched, right, and you have not just -- both of them essentially saying the same thing on the three main points that the prosecution has argued were the birth of this conspiracy, the, you know, pecker being...
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now they go to the read back starting with david pecker. when the judge reads about quote proving beyond a reasonable doubt a few jurors looking down rubbing foreheads with their hands. add that to the tea leaves that we're trying to read right now. your update. >> dana: the supreme court has just ruled unanimously in favor of the nra in a first amendment case. what's this all about? shannon bream is with us and has her finger on the pulse of this case as well. we've been waiting for this one. what does it mean? >> so essentially what the nra has said there is an official here in new york they say was actually putting the thumb on the scale against them going to financial institutions or other regulated bodies and essentially saying don't do business with the nra in a way to hobble them and keep them from being able to go forward. the court said the second circuit got this wrong. a win for the nra. the case gets to continue. they get to pursue their first amendment rights in this case. so essentially a win for the nra. the case is far from
now they go to the read back starting with david pecker. when the judge reads about quote proving beyond a reasonable doubt a few jurors looking down rubbing foreheads with their hands. add that to the tea leaves that we're trying to read right now. your update. >> dana: the supreme court has just ruled unanimously in favor of the nra in a first amendment case. what's this all about? shannon bream is with us and has her finger on the pulse of this case as well. we've been waiting for this...
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donald trump now, pecker's response? yes. when a god on the phone, mr. trump said to me, i spoke to michael, meaning michael cohen, karen meaning karen mcdougal. her allegations are starting to surface now, karen is a nice girl is it true that a mexican group is looking to buy her story for $8 million i said i absolutely don't believe that there's a mexican group out there to buy a story for $8 million. and then he meaning trump, he said, what do you think i should do? i said, i think you should buy the story and take it off the market. so again, this is the evolution of catch-and-kill that the de a tried to lay out for the jury that leads up to the next incident, which is stormy daniel's interesting. >> ankush, what are these two notes from the jury tell you about their mindset? >> right now. >> well, i mean, i'm a little reluctant to read anything into the more than what we've already talked about. but i think general matter suggests to me that they're taking this very seriously. honestly, the questions are good. their
donald trump now, pecker's response? yes. when a god on the phone, mr. trump said to me, i spoke to michael, meaning michael cohen, karen meaning karen mcdougal. her allegations are starting to surface now, karen is a nice girl is it true that a mexican group is looking to buy her story for $8 million i said i absolutely don't believe that there's a mexican group out there to buy a story for $8 million. and then he meaning trump, he said, what do you think i should do? i said, i think you...
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they are honing in on cohen and pecker. now, each of those guys has been found one, i think cohen is guilty of a federal election campaign violation, pecker has an agreement with the feds to not be prosecuted for that. now, if you will notice, one of the charges includes in that column a, b, and c is a federal campaign violation. maybe they are looking into that or maybe it is something as simple as we're just trying to figure out what role donald trump had in any of this given the fact that there really is no one saying, other than michael cohen, that there was definitely an arrangement to catch and kill. >> dana: i can't imagine your frustration, the three of you, with all of your collective experience looking at this, trey gowdy. what i guess it almost feels like choose your own adventure novels you read as a kid. how do you want it to end, jury? you get to decide. it seems wrong. >> yeah, it is not fair to the members of the jury. they needed much more guidance from this court. they actually need the instructions. look,
they are honing in on cohen and pecker. now, each of those guys has been found one, i think cohen is guilty of a federal election campaign violation, pecker has an agreement with the feds to not be prosecuted for that. now, if you will notice, one of the charges includes in that column a, b, and c is a federal campaign violation. maybe they are looking into that or maybe it is something as simple as we're just trying to figure out what role donald trump had in any of this given the fact that...
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pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so close to the election, they should take the story off the market. they're not talking about jump starting karen mcdougal's career, they're trying to protect the campaign. and with all the documents in this case it's easy to lose sight of this call. they're talking about a flurry of calls, including a 25-minute call, then a 1-minute call from pecker to howard, howard to cohen, that they had. he said trump was overtly discussing purchasing her story to keep it from being published. trump deputizing cohen right in front of pecker so that pecker knows a go ahead from cohen is a go ahead from trump. this goes against any claim that cohen was acting on his own. this call makes it impossible for the defense to claim that cohen was acting on his own here. and,
pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so close to the election, they should take the story off the market. they're not talking about jump starting karen mcdougal's career, they're trying to protect...
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that's the 2050 meter with david pecker, were david pecker. were david pecker testified he was being asked, what can you do for the campaign deed, mr. becker told you was really good business to work with trump. blanche says, well, am i executives were certainly not as confident because one point they did have to consult with their attorneys about whether they were running a foul of campaign finance laws by helping to suppress stories that could have an impact on the election so he's saying it's good business to work with someone like this. >> this is done all the time, but of course, when it comes to the rules and regulations of campaigns he citing something that they did back in in 1998, a story that they helped suppress for trump. a lot of things have changed. and when you're running for the white house, it's completely different. >> it's bringing he also brought up arnold schwarzenegger now as another candidate that they had allegedly helped indeed, mr. pecker told you was really good for business working with trump? >> well, the arnold sc
that's the 2050 meter with david pecker, were david pecker. were david pecker testified he was being asked, what can you do for the campaign deed, mr. becker told you was really good business to work with trump. blanche says, well, am i executives were certainly not as confident because one point they did have to consult with their attorneys about whether they were running a foul of campaign finance laws by helping to suppress stories that could have an impact on the election so he's saying...
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what about the phone call between trump and pecker? she says, yes, one of them i was, i think, shortly after -- it was publishing a piece about ben carson. i overheard a conversation congratulating him on the great reporting. it was about medical malpractice. there is the direct link between what hope hicks heard, not what she thinks she heard, but what she heard and pecker and trump. thank you so very much. that wraps up the hour for me. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. ♪♪ >>> good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. the trump trial is underway. right now, the former president's close aide, trusted advisor and former white house communications director, hope hicks is on the stand. she no longer has an official role in trump world. has testified to the january 6th house select committee. but hicks was by trump's side throughout his 2016 campaign and for a time when he was serving as president. she potentially has a firsthand account of the alleged crimes her fo
what about the phone call between trump and pecker? she says, yes, one of them i was, i think, shortly after -- it was publishing a piece about ben carson. i overheard a conversation congratulating him on the great reporting. it was about medical malpractice. there is the direct link between what hope hicks heard, not what she thinks she heard, but what she heard and pecker and trump. thank you so very much. that wraps up the hour for me. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea...
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and michael cohen was said to reimburse pecker until pecker eventually backed out of the deal because of legal concerns. other than that trump tower meeting, that is one of the few instances where former president donald trump is directly involved in something, as to what exactly happened in that meeting differs based off which witness you hearing from at that time. that is why this trump tower meeting back in 2015 is so important where david pecker promised to be the eyes and ears of that campaign and to suppress negative stories about a former president donald trump, promote positive stories and also post or publish negative stories about his potable opponents. i mention hillary clinton earlier but also his republican opponents in the primary leading up to the 2016 nominations. so we continue, we weighed more information shannon, and we will come back when we have more. >> shannon: thank you a very much for meg outside of the courthouse, one of the former president trump's attorney, supporting resident jumping on resenting him as part of the legal team in this case. >>> you wait now
and michael cohen was said to reimburse pecker until pecker eventually backed out of the deal because of legal concerns. other than that trump tower meeting, that is one of the few instances where former president donald trump is directly involved in something, as to what exactly happened in that meeting differs based off which witness you hearing from at that time. that is why this trump tower meeting back in 2015 is so important where david pecker promised to be the eyes and ears of that...
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it's all good, which is what david pecker testified. this collaboration of what we have already heard from from david pecker showing donald trump is right in the center of this. >> and hope hicks, part of what was fascinating to me again as i was reading this through our internal slack channel, it was a reminder of the sheer chaos and crisis and almost tipping point moment of the access hollywood tape and the fact that that article that does come out before the election ultimately ends up spaced out in of that it wouldn't, like if that had come out the day after access hollywood or two days after or three days after, that could have been it. you were there covering it, that could have been it. >> they got lucky with the timing of that. also, remember at that time, it is easy to forget, i have repressed a lot of it, i think most americans have, it was one allegation after another. it was more than two dozen allegations that he had some sort of sexual impropriety and it was just one thing after another. they are running against hillary cl
it's all good, which is what david pecker testified. this collaboration of what we have already heard from from david pecker showing donald trump is right in the center of this. >> and hope hicks, part of what was fascinating to me again as i was reading this through our internal slack channel, it was a reminder of the sheer chaos and crisis and almost tipping point moment of the access hollywood tape and the fact that that article that does come out before the election ultimately ends up...
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we starting with david pecker, so they're starting with david pecker it also could be that they're looking for ways to corroborate michael cohen's testimony. right. so one of the instructions was you can't rely on his testimony only look at what evidence is out there to corroborate it. and there's there's quite a bit of overlap between what he was talking about and david pecker's testimony. so they might be looking for ways to corroborate it which could also be partly why they want to hear the instructions, but it doesn't surprise me in the least that they do want to hear all of the instructions because it was a lot and there's no way anybody could process all of that in one shot. >> so karen, you have worked in the da's office, manhattan da's office. you also have been on a jury i think it's stupid that they didn't just give the jury the instructions that he gave them. so now he has to come and explain them all or some or whatever is there a reason why that's this is the way they do it in new york. >> or judge merchan does it it's the way it's done in new york and there are thousands of j
we starting with david pecker, so they're starting with david pecker it also could be that they're looking for ways to corroborate michael cohen's testimony. right. so one of the instructions was you can't rely on his testimony only look at what evidence is out there to corroborate it. and there's there's quite a bit of overlap between what he was talking about and david pecker's testimony. so they might be looking for ways to corroborate it which could also be partly why they want to hear the...
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, so they've also asked for david pecker's testimony on this. and among the portions that they will here tomorrow, this is on cross-examination where aiml bove asked pecker, do you remember that you confirm that during the august 2015 meeting that there was no discussion of catch and kill, correct? pecker says yes, question and during the august 2015 meeting, there was no discussion of a financial component to any agreement with president trump and michael cohen, correct? says there was a discussion about that. i was going to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. and there was a discussion that i would be notifying michael cohen of any women that were in the process of going that were in the process are going to be selling stories. i would notify cohen that they would be available and they would either have to buy them or take them off the market, or kill them in some manner. now, another part of testimony, the asphalt was about david pecker's phone call with donald trump in on that called david pecker recounts how he is talking to trump about k
, so they've also asked for david pecker's testimony on this. and among the portions that they will here tomorrow, this is on cross-examination where aiml bove asked pecker, do you remember that you confirm that during the august 2015 meeting that there was no discussion of catch and kill, correct? pecker says yes, question and during the august 2015 meeting, there was no discussion of a financial component to any agreement with president trump and michael cohen, correct? says there was a...
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on david pecker's testimony it's unclear. it could be that they just want to confirm their understanding and recollection of david pecker's testimony could be that some jurors said this is all speculation on my part to make that clear, that even in the early stages of deliberation, sound, juror said, well, we can't trust michael cohen and maybe another the juror said, well, it doesn't just rest on michael cohen's shoulders as the prosecutor said, there's very devastating and important testimony from david pecker. let's hear that again. let's get some of that back. in our, in our memories. remember they had a leak off from trial and david pecker testified some weeks ago. so it's not fresh in their minds, so it's impossible to know exactly why but i think the prosecution is probably feeling better about that note and that question, then the defense right now sources say that trump trump's allies believe the longer the jury deliberates, the better it is for trump. is there any truth to that based on your years of experience now,
on david pecker's testimony it's unclear. it could be that they just want to confirm their understanding and recollection of david pecker's testimony could be that some jurors said this is all speculation on my part to make that clear, that even in the early stages of deliberation, sound, juror said, well, we can't trust michael cohen and maybe another the juror said, well, it doesn't just rest on michael cohen's shoulders as the prosecutor said, there's very devastating and important testimony...
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what about the phone call between trump and pecker? she says, yes,
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pecker says yes, question. and during the august 2015 meeting, there was no discussion of a financial components any agreement with president trump and michael cohen, correct? pecker says there was a discussion about that. i was going to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. and there was a discussion that i would be notifying michael cohen of any women that were in the process this is going that were in the process are going to be selling stories. i would notify cohen that they would be available and they would either have to buy them or take them off the market, or kill them in some manner. now, another part of testimony, the asked for was about david pecker's phone call with donald trump in on that call, david pecker recounts how he is talking to trump about karen mcdougal, trump as if it's true that a mexican companies willing to pay $8 he also refers to karen mcdougal as a nice girl, and david pecker devices donald trump, you should buy this story. trump says, i don't buy stories but you'll hear from micha
pecker says yes, question. and during the august 2015 meeting, there was no discussion of a financial components any agreement with president trump and michael cohen, correct? pecker says there was a discussion about that. i was going to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. and there was a discussion that i would be notifying michael cohen of any women that were in the process this is going that were in the process are going to be selling stories. i would notify cohen that they would be...
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david pecker was a very important and is not only— pecker was a very important and is not only because he tells that story but because he corroborates michael cohen's _ but because he corroborates michael cohen's testimony about that catch and kill_ cohen's testimony about that catch and kill scheme and specifically trump's — and kill scheme and specifically trump's involvement in it. so be critically— trump's involvement in it. so be critically corroborates michael cohen — critically corroborates michael cohen when he says that trump was involved _ cohen when he says that trump was involved in— cohen when he says that trump was involved in that scheme. and unlike micheel— involved in that scheme. and unlike michael cohen, david pecker has far less bias _ michael cohen, david pecker has far less bias against donald trump. he testified _ less bias against donald trump. he testified that he still considers donald — testified that he still considers donald trump a friend. there is far less baggage associated with david pecken _ less baggage associated with david pecker. he may
david pecker was a very important and is not only— pecker was a very important and is not only because he tells that story but because he corroborates michael cohen's _ but because he corroborates michael cohen's testimony about that catch and kill_ cohen's testimony about that catch and kill scheme and specifically trump's — and kill scheme and specifically trump's involvement in it. so be critically— trump's involvement in it. so be critically corroborates michael cohen — critically...
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put david pecker's testimony. but the testimony of the trump organization witnesses and line them up and just see what has been proved here, what hasn't been proved. >> they're looking though to, i don't know if rehabilitation is actually word. i think what they're trying to do is say there's a reasonable explanation for a lot of these things that the defense would like to sort of show is nefarious. for example, what would he say after doing three years plus three years post release supervision is that he paid the price for the role in this scheme. but it's not a defense. they call him a thief or they can call say this is not really a reimbursement, but not both. now the defense is urging you to reject cohen's testimony because he's still making money from things related to the case. he sells merchandise. none of that is a crime and he will continue to do that regardless of the outcome of the trial. he has no taxi medallions. he has been disbarred. huge legal bills. online attacks. i am not asking you to feel bad
put david pecker's testimony. but the testimony of the trump organization witnesses and line them up and just see what has been proved here, what hasn't been proved. >> they're looking though to, i don't know if rehabilitation is actually word. i think what they're trying to do is say there's a reasonable explanation for a lot of these things that the defense would like to sort of show is nefarious. for example, what would he say after doing three years plus three years post release...
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he lied to her, and then she called david pecker at ami. and david pecker went with the story. hey, this is a legitimate contract that we had with karen mcdougal to do magazine covers, and what was significant about that is donald trump then followed up with hope hicks and said what did david pecker tell you, right? in other words, donald trump wanted to know is david pecker sticking to their cover story, this had nothing to do with hush money. i thought that was a really important point for the prosecution to bring out. it's also showing that hope hicks is pretty credible here. she really didn't know anything about these hush money payments. she's trying to find out information. they're not telling her what's going on. that was made all the more credible by when she testified, she said i was hired four years out of college. i was hired to be the campaign press secretary sort of as a joke. i had no experience, but then i was around the campaign a lot, and so i got that title, right? she's there every day. she's talking to donald trump, but she really wasn't part of the inner ci
he lied to her, and then she called david pecker at ami. and david pecker went with the story. hey, this is a legitimate contract that we had with karen mcdougal to do magazine covers, and what was significant about that is donald trump then followed up with hope hicks and said what did david pecker tell you, right? in other words, donald trump wanted to know is david pecker sticking to their cover story, this had nothing to do with hush money. i thought that was a really important point for...
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go to david pecker. and what do they do? they're going to david pecker, and they're asking for his testimony about his trump tower meeting where the prosecution has said that's where the conspiracy was borne. the other thing that he said in his closing was he wanted the jury to think about that call between donald trump and david pecker. no michael cohen in that call, just between the two of them about keeping karen mcdougal's story from being published. and he said they weren't talking about jump starting mcdougal's career. this was about protecting the campaign. if you go back to that call he said it's easy to lose sight of the significance of this call with all the documents in this case. so he made a real point in his closing about how important this call was to showing that this transaction is an unlawful corporate contribution from ami to trump's campaign. look here, and it's the first thing they're asking for. so, again, i think the state has to be happy that they have clearly listened to the closing, and they are at
go to david pecker. and what do they do? they're going to david pecker, and they're asking for his testimony about his trump tower meeting where the prosecution has said that's where the conspiracy was borne. the other thing that he said in his closing was he wanted the jury to think about that call between donald trump and david pecker. no michael cohen in that call, just between the two of them about keeping karen mcdougal's story from being published. and he said they weren't talking about...
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with pecker, and mr. cohen says he put his voice notes on and ran a graph that she was in and out of that meeting. as a reminder, pecker did testify before cohen and the idea that pecker did not mention the lunch in the testimony may not be as damning as blanche hopes it will be. how do you see how blanche is going about trying to poke holes in this reporting? >> one of the things he's doing here in addition to poking holes in the prosecution's story is reminding the jury what they heard. this has been a really long trial. the jury has only heard this testimony once. we have gone over it in these rooms, and we have gone over it and over it and talked about what did this mean and that mean, but the jury has only heard it once. they have not had an opportunity to talk about it with each other or anybody else, so he's reminding them of the key points in the earlier testimony, particularly mr. pecker's which was a number of weeks ago. he's juxtaposing mr. pecker's testimony against mr. cohen's testimony in sh
with pecker, and mr. cohen says he put his voice notes on and ran a graph that she was in and out of that meeting. as a reminder, pecker did testify before cohen and the idea that pecker did not mention the lunch in the testimony may not be as damning as blanche hopes it will be. how do you see how blanche is going about trying to poke holes in this reporting? >> one of the things he's doing here in addition to poking holes in the prosecution's story is reminding the jury what they heard....
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pecker says he was the most eligible bachelor ever. he was married the whole time pecker knew him. three times -- >> the details -- >> literally never in -- he was always married to someone. i mean, and again, i know that's not a charge crime. but central to the sort of narrative, his motive. you've got the campaign motive now, almost a wallpaper, layer after layer after layer. every person has told the same story about the campaigning. you've got the women as an issue, trump thinks he's going to have as a candidate. >> and to the point about the micromanager and how everybody said that, my personal experience i had with him, i lived in one of his apartments. after ten years i was leaving, and this security deposit, we're argue being, and donald trump calls me and says there's a crack in the bathtub. i said, well, i've never even taken a bath. than inbound cares out there. he's -- not that anybody cares out there. and he's fighting -- and he's arguing with me. i said to him, don't you have anybody else that does that? he goes, no, this is what i do. and literally it was over a few
pecker says he was the most eligible bachelor ever. he was married the whole time pecker knew him. three times -- >> the details -- >> literally never in -- he was always married to someone. i mean, and again, i know that's not a charge crime. but central to the sort of narrative, his motive. you've got the campaign motive now, almost a wallpaper, layer after layer after layer. every person has told the same story about the campaigning. you've got the women as an issue, trump thinks...
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they want to hear testimony read back from the former publisher of "the national enquirer" david pecker and michael cohen as well, also at that meeting and his testimony, too. later about an hour the bell ringing again and the jury asking for the judge's instructions read after they were first delivered by the judge. dan abrams is here tonight and aaron katersky at the courthouse leading us off. >> reporter: tonight, the fate of donald trump, the first former president ever to face criminal charges, now in the hands of the jury. less than four hours into deliberations, a bell rang in court, signaling a note from the jurors. they wanted four pieces of question testimony read back to them including testimony from david pecker, who buried stories for trump and one from trump's former fixer michael cohen about a trump tower meeting with trump in august 2015, where prosecutors said the three men hatched a conspiracy to corrupt the 2016 election. an hour later, jurors sending a second note asking judge juan merchan to re-read instructions. you are asked to make another very important decision
they want to hear testimony read back from the former publisher of "the national enquirer" david pecker and michael cohen as well, also at that meeting and his testimony, too. later about an hour the bell ringing again and the jury asking for the judge's instructions read after they were first delivered by the judge. dan abrams is here tonight and aaron katersky at the courthouse leading us off. >> reporter: tonight, the fate of donald trump, the first former president ever to...
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a cross—examination to david pecker, so all of that showing becausejurors to david pecker, so all of that showing because jurors are to david pecker, so all of that showing becausejurors are not to david pecker, so all of that showing because jurors are not able to have hard copiesjust how time—consuming it is when they have a question and need to see evidence again what a process that is. fix, site again what a process that is. a site to imagine — again what a process that is. a site to imagine the _ again what a process that is. a site to imagine the court _ again what a process that is. a site to imagine the court reporters - to imagine the court reporters re—enacting of that testimony, you mentioned david pecker, remind us why his testimony could be so crucial. . ., , crucial. prosecutors, in their closin: crucial. prosecutors, in their closing arguments, - crucial. prosecutors, in their closing arguments, said - crucial. prosecutors, in theirj closing arguments, said that crucial. prosecutors, in their - closing arguments, said that david pecker�*s testimony was devasta
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have the police thought that, or this a david pecker thought? this is a david pecker thought. i feel that we had a bioterrorism attack here. management decided that we need to be more "patriotic." that was the word was used. and to support the war effort that was coming, you know, we needed to show that we were strong. people love to have the patriotic stories on the front, and i think that they had found another nerve that they were hitting on the readership by doing these post-9/11 stories. coz: we must have put out probably five special commemorative editions that were slicker and glossier, 'cause remember, at our bones, we're patriotic. our readers believed in the u.s. government, just like they believed in america. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ from a bodybuilding career, i have gotten a large female following. you know, you have situations where women absolutely, like, take their clothes off in front of you. like, this woman just took off her clothes and stood there naked, and she says, "take me." -oh. -yeah, baby. i mean, sometimes it takes a little bit of respect away th
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asking for the david pecker testimony that was weeks ago. they've since heard from michael cohen, but maybe they want to compare and contrast, maybe the counseling that is a conflict are one bolsters the other on that particular section. they do want to hear some jury instructions, 55 pages long, they took more than an hour for the judge to read to them. he is not a given them the written copy, they'd -- he must expect they will come back with questions. looks like he will do is add the attorneys agree on what portions will be read back, and then in the morning do that afresh for the jury as they come back to deliberations and also answer any questions they have a boat of the jury instructions. then send them back to the room for a second day of deliberations. >> neil: these instructions are 55 pages, when they open up some furniture that you assemble yourself in its 55 pages, i'm going to say that is not happening. what a way to make -- what do we make over the document does a lot of criticism that judge juan merchan has made this overly co
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he said i knew david pecker before i knew mr. trump. we had mutual friends and had met at a function in long island many years ago. i was reacquainted when david pecker was the president and ceo of ami and more people know him for his magazines and newspapers. when you spoke to him did you speak to him by phone? yes, by phone, had his cell and work numbers and contacts. did you also speak to pecker using an encrypted app called signal. cohen, yes, sometimes we thought that encryption and not having the event traceable would be beneficial. did you communicate via email? cohen, yes. did you speak with pecker at trump org about matters prior to june of 2015. cohen, yes, but rarely. he's now saying they even spoke within an encrypted app, charles, so there may not be paperwork for everything. there may not be evidence of some of their communications. >> and believe me that both sides are going to argue that point as much as they can for the defense they're going to say where is the paperwork? why is it their paperwork -- how can you trust a
he said i knew david pecker before i knew mr. trump. we had mutual friends and had met at a function in long island many years ago. i was reacquainted when david pecker was the president and ceo of ami and more people know him for his magazines and newspapers. when you spoke to him did you speak to him by phone? yes, by phone, had his cell and work numbers and contacts. did you also speak to pecker using an encrypted app called signal. cohen, yes, sometimes we thought that encryption and not...
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they asked for a testimony about a call pecker had with trump details that pecker testified two about the deal that was reached with karen mcdougal, pecker's testimony about the trump tower meeting, and then michael cohen's testimony about that same meeting. now what was really interesting is that the judge locked both the defense attorney and the prosecutors in the courtroom until they could agree about exactly what the jury will hear back and let the jury go home. but he said, look, you're not leaving until both sides agree on what we're going to read them back related to this testimony tomorrow. now, the judge soulmates to settle a few disputes, but tomorrow nine 30, we'll be back here in court we'll kick off as the court reader, the court reporter, she will sit on the witness stand and she will reread these portions of testimony back to the jury now, as you also noted, they have also asked for the jury instructions to be re-read to them. the judges and clear, though they need all 55 pages or just parts of it. now, erin, that was a surprise that they asked for that it suggests that
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they specifically want to hear what both men said about a trump tower meeting where pecker says they came to an agreement with "trump himself" about a scheme to kill negative stories about him, among other pieces of testimony. they also, the jury, wants to rehear those instructions from the judge. those are the only clues that we have about what is happening inside the deliberation room as the jury weighs a historic decision, whether or not to convict the former president. cbs's robert costa was inside the courthouse, and he will start us off tonight. >> reporter: donald trump's fate is now in the hands of 12 new yorkers. >> mother teresa could not beat these charges. >> reporter: the decision is up to the jury of seven men and five women. among them, to lawyers, a teacher, and a banker, sequestered in a jury room just feet from the courtroom. no cell phones allowed, but they have access to a laptop containing all the evidence. what's it like being inside the jury room? >> it's a pretty extraordinary experience because you have people from all walks of life, all kinds of different di
they specifically want to hear what both men said about a trump tower meeting where pecker says they came to an agreement with "trump himself" about a scheme to kill negative stories about him, among other pieces of testimony. they also, the jury, wants to rehear those instructions from the judge. those are the only clues that we have about what is happening inside the deliberation room as the jury weighs a historic decision, whether or not to convict the former president. cbs's...
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pecker on the phone call about karen mcdougal and on paying karen mcdougal. the jury will hear discussions of the meeting where the three hashed out a plan to protect his prejudicial chances. pecker and cohen says trump was in on it and work with cohen in the catch and kill scheme. the jury may be trying to see if cohen and pecker kcorroborate each other. what cohen told has to be backed up by other evidence and the jury asked for testimony about his phone call with trump. trump asked if he should buy karen mcdougal's story, they had a nearly year-long affair, pecker told the former president yes, he should buy that. what is striking about the two requests, meeting at trump tower and the phone call seem to highlight donald trump's role in this scheme. jurors may be trying to get to the bottom of what they were told that the president did, telling david pecker and michael cohen to quash negative stories and buy the karen mcdougal story. we will know more when we get a verdict. when could that come? starting with first w-- >> steve: there are dozens of charges,
pecker on the phone call about karen mcdougal and on paying karen mcdougal. the jury will hear discussions of the meeting where the three hashed out a plan to protect his prejudicial chances. pecker and cohen says trump was in on it and work with cohen in the catch and kill scheme. the jury may be trying to see if cohen and pecker kcorroborate each other. what cohen told has to be backed up by other evidence and the jury asked for testimony about his phone call with trump. trump asked if he...
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no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump straight into the essential conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy, which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor that is charged here into a felony. important testimony. he stood up well on testimony and cross-examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question the key evidence, but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on redirect examination. the prosecution has to be feeling good. >> jason, i don't want to be unkind to the defendant and he is legally presumed innocent, but the family is not there. the jury can notice that. these are his friends and allies. some of them have gone so far they are like michael cohen, who is so angry at trump that it might affect his credibility. some like i emphasized said friendly. the guy is a liar, but we are friendly. i mean he may have committed crimes, that's what i thought we did, but we are friendly and he's got a whol
no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump straight into the essential conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy, which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor that is charged here into a felony. important testimony. he stood up well on testimony and cross-examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question the key evidence, but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on...
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about pecker taking the call. they're asking about pecker's arrangement with mcdougal hush money payment they've seems like they're not being hung up by that because otherwise it could be game over one final question, tara, you i was just watching trump today and he was very engaged during tapping his lawyers back-and-forth back-and-forth. >> did you notice anything about him today? yes. >> actually, i did when he left today at the very end of the day, he seemed deflated. >> he is looking at at the audience, but he looked at his son and donald junior actually looked back and one of the things i noticed, it looked as though donald junior was saying, are you okay? because they did look really down and really deflated. now, maybe earlier he had more energy, but i think by the time all of it was said and done and he was sent to the other room while he waited to see if there were going to be any questions, he seemed very deflate. >> not so interesting. and that exchange between him and his son. thank you all very much.
about pecker taking the call. they're asking about pecker's arrangement with mcdougal hush money payment they've seems like they're not being hung up by that because otherwise it could be game over one final question, tara, you i was just watching trump today and he was very engaged during tapping his lawyers back-and-forth back-and-forth. >> did you notice anything about him today? yes. >> actually, i did when he left today at the very end of the day, he seemed deflated. >>...