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ms. hutchinson: mr. meadows was having -- and what i just spent understand it was more -- and what i understand, it was more of what i am hearing. we want you to be to -- aware of it. you are the chief of staff and -- conversations -- you should be ready to take action on this. i am concerned with you and your positioning. reach out to me if you have questions or if i can be helpful. rep. cheney: inside the white house, the president advisors including members of this family wanted delivered -- these delivered to the country. -- delivered by a pretaped video on january 7. when he arrived at the white house on the seventh, mr. fielding believed that more needed to be set so he started writing. he shared the draft to someone who believed the president needed to say more. mr. pallone agree with the concept -- context. the committee has learned that the president did not agree to the draft and resisted giving a speech. do you recall discussions about the president's speech on january 7? [applause] i do --ms.
ms. hutchinson: mr. meadows was having -- and what i just spent understand it was more -- and what i understand, it was more of what i am hearing. we want you to be to -- aware of it. you are the chief of staff and -- conversations -- you should be ready to take action on this. i am concerned with you and your positioning. reach out to me if you have questions or if i can be helpful. rep. cheney: inside the white house, the president advisors including members of this family wanted delivered --...
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ms. hutchinson: he did. rep. cheney: did white house ief of staff mark meadows indicated that he was interested in receing a presidential pardon related to january 6? ms. hutchinson: yes 'am. rep. chey: thank you. i yelled back. --yeild back. rep. thompson: wants to thank my witness. -- i want to thank my witness. objection, members will b permitted to 10 business days to submit statements on the record, including opening remarks and additional questions to the witness. thout oection, the chair regnizes the vice chair recognizes the vice chair for a closing statement. rep. chene also begin by thanking ms. hutchison for her testimony today. we are all in her death. our nation -- is preserved by thosen their all caps --oaths. i once all americans to know that what ms. hutchison has done today is not easy. the easy course is too high from the spotlight -- to hide from e spotlight and to deny what happened. that brings me to a different topic. while our committee has seen many witnesses, including many republicans te
ms. hutchinson: he did. rep. cheney: did white house ief of staff mark meadows indicated that he was interested in receing a presidential pardon related to january 6? ms. hutchinson: yes 'am. rep. chey: thank you. i yelled back. --yeild back. rep. thompson: wants to thank my witness. -- i want to thank my witness. objection, members will b permitted to 10 business days to submit statements on the record, including opening remarks and additional questions to the witness. thout oection, the chair...
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so ms. hutchinson, is it your understanding that mr. ornato told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january 6? >> that's what mr. ornato relayed to me. >> and here's how you characterized mr. meadows' general response when people raised concerns about what could happen on january 6. >> so at the time in the days leading up to the 6th, there were lots of public reports about how things might go bad on the 6th, even the potential for violence. if i'm hearing you correctly, what stands out to you is that mr. meadows did not share those concerns or at least did not act on those concerns. >> did not act on those concerns would be accurate. >> but other people raised them to him, like in this exchange you mentioned that mr. ornato pulled him aside. >> that's correct. >> ms. hutchinson, we're going to show now an exchange of texts between you and deputy chief of staff ornato. and these text messages were exchanged while you were at the ellipse. in one text you write, but the crowd looks good from this vantage point. as
so ms. hutchinson, is it your understanding that mr. ornato told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january 6? >> that's what mr. ornato relayed to me. >> and here's how you characterized mr. meadows' general response when people raised concerns about what could happen on january 6. >> so at the time in the days leading up to the 6th, there were lots of public reports about how things might go bad on the 6th, even the potential for violence. if i'm...
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our witness today, ms. hutchinson, has embodied that courage. i will get into a lot of detail about her testimony. i will allow her words to speak for themselves. and i hope everyone at home will listen very closely. first i recognize are distinguished vice chair -- our distinguished vice chair for any opening statements you would care to offer. >> thank you very much. in our first five hearings, the committee has heard from a significant number of republicans. including former trump administration justice department officials, trump campaign officials, several members of his white house staff, prominent conservative judge, and several others. today's witness is another republican, and another former member of president trump's white house staff. certain of us in the house of representatives recall ms. hutchinson once worked for steve scalise, but she is also a familiar face on capitol hill. because she held a prominent role in the white house legislative affairs office. and later was the principal aide to president trump's chief of staff, mark
our witness today, ms. hutchinson, has embodied that courage. i will get into a lot of detail about her testimony. i will allow her words to speak for themselves. and i hope everyone at home will listen very closely. first i recognize are distinguished vice chair -- our distinguished vice chair for any opening statements you would care to offer. >> thank you very much. in our first five hearings, the committee has heard from a significant number of republicans. including former trump...
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as we heard earlier, rudy giulni told ms. hutchinson mr. trump tentative travel to the capitol january 6. i want to pause for a moment to ask you to explain some of the terminology you will hear today. we've heard you use two different terms to describe plans for the president's movement to the capitol or anywhere else, one of them is a scheduled movement and another one is otr --could you describe to us what each of those mea >> is scheduled presidential movement is on his official schedule. it is notified to the press and to a wide range of staff that will be traveling with him. it is known to the publicm not secret service --known to the public, known to secret service, they are able plan in advance. and off the record movement is confined to the knowledge of a very small group of advisors and staff, typically small group would travel with him, mostly just included in the national security package. you can ll and off the record movement together in less than an hour. it is a way to circumvent having to release it the press. if that is th
as we heard earlier, rudy giulni told ms. hutchinson mr. trump tentative travel to the capitol january 6. i want to pause for a moment to ask you to explain some of the terminology you will hear today. we've heard you use two different terms to describe plans for the president's movement to the capitol or anywhere else, one of them is a scheduled movement and another one is otr --could you describe to us what each of those mea >> is scheduled presidential movement is on his official...
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i do succulent ms. hutchinson, what was your i ms. hutchinson, what was your reaction — ms. hutchinson, what was your reaction when you saw this tweet? as a staffer— reaction when you saw this tweet? as a staffer that works to always represent the administration to the best of— represent the administration to the best of my— represent the administration to the best of my ability, and to showcase the things— best of my ability, and to showcase the things that he had done for this country— the things that he had done for this country -- — the things that he had done for this country —— the good things, i remember feeling frustrated, disappointed, and it really felt personal. i was really sad. as an american. — personal. i was really sad. as an american. i_ personal. i was really sad. as an american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic, — american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic, un—american. we were watching _ unpatriotic, un—american. we were watching the capitol building get defaced over a lie. and it was something that was really hard in that mo
i do succulent ms. hutchinson, what was your i ms. hutchinson, what was your reaction — ms. hutchinson, what was your reaction when you saw this tweet? as a staffer— reaction when you saw this tweet? as a staffer that works to always represent the administration to the best of— represent the administration to the best of my— represent the administration to the best of my ability, and to showcase the things— best of my ability, and to showcase the things that he had done for this...
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just a refresher, here's some of what we learned from ms. hutchinson about mr. meadows, some of what the committee presumably would want to ask him if he had the courage or decency to talk. >> i remember leaning against the doorway and saying i had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. sounds like we're going to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of there's a lot going on, cass, but i don't know things might get, real, real bad on january 6th. >> do you know if mr. meadows intended to go to the willard hotel on january 6th? >> i had made it clear to mr. meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the hotel that night. >> what was mark's reaction, mr. meadow's reaction to this list of weapons people had in the crowd? >> i remember distinctly mark not looking up from his phone. i remember tony finishing his explanation and it taking a few seconds for mark to say to where i almost said, mark, did you hear him? and then mark chimed in, was like, all right, anything else? still looking down at
just a refresher, here's some of what we learned from ms. hutchinson about mr. meadows, some of what the committee presumably would want to ask him if he had the courage or decency to talk. >> i remember leaning against the doorway and saying i had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. sounds like we're going to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of there's a lot going on, cass, but i don't know things might get, real, real bad on january...
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ms. hutchinson, thank you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty and helping the american people get a complete understanding of january 6th and its causes. thank you for your courage in testifying here today. you have the gratitude of this committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these questions, but after hearing your testimony in all its candor and detail, i want to speak directly to the handful of witnesses who have been outliars in our investigation, the small number who have defied us outright. those whose memories have failed them again and again on the most important details and to those who fear donald trump and his enablers because of this courageous woman and others like her, your attempt to hide the truth from the american people will fail. and to that group of witnesses, if you've heard this testimony today and suddenly you remember things you couldn't previously recall, or there's some details you'd like to clarify, or you discovered some courage you had hid
ms. hutchinson, thank you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty and helping the american people get a complete understanding of january 6th and its causes. thank you for your courage in testifying here today. you have the gratitude of this committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these questions, but after hearing your testimony in all its candor and detail, i want to speak directly to the handful of witnesses who have been outliars in our investigation,...
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he wanted the screenings stopped to let more people in, ms hutchinson told the committee in previously recorded testimony. i overheard the president say something to the effect of, "i don't effing care they have weapons. "they're not here to hurt me. "take the effing mags away." donald trump: we are going to walk down and i'll be - there with you. trump did want to go to the capitol, but as he ordered the secret service to drive him there he was told it wasn't safe. he said something to the effect of, "i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now." when the president's secret service agent, bobby engel, refused to go to the capitol, trump got physical. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr engel grabbed his arm and said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. "we're going back to the west wing. "we're not going to the capitol." mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have hear
he wanted the screenings stopped to let more people in, ms hutchinson told the committee in previously recorded testimony. i overheard the president say something to the effect of, "i don't effing care they have weapons. "they're not here to hurt me. "take the effing mags away." donald trump: we are going to walk down and i'll be - there with you. trump did want to go to the capitol, but as he ordered the secret service to drive him there he was told it wasn't safe. he said...
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what did you think of that testimony by ms hutchinson? well, i certainly found the details to be quite fallacious and specific. unfortunately, i think some of this will be contradicted in the coming days. we do have a justice system in the country and both of the stories that ms hutchinson shared would actually be qualified as hearsay in the american court system, would this be an actual court trial. she heard this from, secondhand individual, evenin from, secondhand individual, even in one of the cases, third hand, from two other sources so she actually... hand, from two other sources so she actually. . ._ she actually... not all of it was second _ she actually... not all of it was second or _ she actually... not all of it was second or third - she actually... not all of it was second or third hand. | she actually... not all of it - was second or third hand. there was second or third hand. there was the instance before the rally, for instance where donald trump acknowledge that people in the crowd had weapons and she heard that her self.
what did you think of that testimony by ms hutchinson? well, i certainly found the details to be quite fallacious and specific. unfortunately, i think some of this will be contradicted in the coming days. we do have a justice system in the country and both of the stories that ms hutchinson shared would actually be qualified as hearsay in the american court system, would this be an actual court trial. she heard this from, secondhand individual, evenin from, secondhand individual, even in one of...
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ms. hutchinson. do you remember mr. julie, on a meeting with mr. meadows on january 2nd 2021. i do or he met with mr. meadows in the evening of january 2nd. 2021. and we understand that you walked mr. juliani out of the white house that night and he talks to you about january 6th. what you remember him saying as the so julian and i were walking to his vehicles that evening. he looked at me and said something to the effect of cash. are you excited for the 6th? it's going to be a great day. i remember looking at him, saying rudy to explain what's, what's happening on the sex. he and he had responded something to the effect of we're going to the capitol. it's going to be crated as it is going to be there. he's going to a powerful, he's, he's going to get the members he's going to be with the senators, talks the chief about it, talk to the chief about it. he knows about it. and did you go back and then up to the west wing and tell mr. meadows about your conversation with mister juliani, i did after mister juliani had left the campus that evening, i went back up to our office and f
ms. hutchinson. do you remember mr. julie, on a meeting with mr. meadows on january 2nd 2021. i do or he met with mr. meadows in the evening of january 2nd. 2021. and we understand that you walked mr. juliani out of the white house that night and he talks to you about january 6th. what you remember him saying as the so julian and i were walking to his vehicles that evening. he looked at me and said something to the effect of cash. are you excited for the 6th? it's going to be a great day. i...
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we will cover topics in ms. hutchinson's knowledge today. we will put the testimony today in a broader and more complete context. today you will hear her relate certain first-hand observations of president trump's conduct on january 6th. you will also hear new information regarding the actions and statements of mr. trump's senior advisors that day including chief of staff mark meadows and his white house council. and we will begin to examine evidence on what members of the white house knew about the prospect for violence on january 6th. to best communicate the information that the committee has gathered, we will follow the practice of our recent hearings playing videotaped testimony and posing questions to her live. mr. chairman, i yield back. >> thank you, our witness ms. cassie hutchinson. she was in the white house chief of staff office from march 2020 to january 2021. ly now swear in our witness. the witness will please stand and raise her right hand. do you swear or affirm on the penalty of perjury that the testimony you're about to giv
we will cover topics in ms. hutchinson's knowledge today. we will put the testimony today in a broader and more complete context. today you will hear her relate certain first-hand observations of president trump's conduct on january 6th. you will also hear new information regarding the actions and statements of mr. trump's senior advisors that day including chief of staff mark meadows and his white house council. and we will begin to examine evidence on what members of the white house knew...
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likely around 3:00. >> it's a no card but that is your handwriting ms. hutchinson? >> that is my handwriting. >> hannity: we have a problem she did not write that letter, he claims that he did. that is his name biting out her handwriting. now one of them and telling the truth and one is not. now she is lying about the letter we need to know and by the way we can easily ascertain the truth in this. again the committee doesn't care they put out a statement that claimed the committee has dennis diligence on this and found ms. hutchinson's account of this matter is credible. what diligence did you do exactly? now if this is such an important committee for sending such important evidence of the american people i don't know handwriting it is i'll be honest the committee than ever asked a secret service about her story why not get, follow the science will use the democrats favorite line. follow the science a cup bring in handwriting experts and let them verify the handwriting on the letter as it has, or is it hers? keep in mind during illegitimate proceeding or covering up
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glenn, ms. hutchinson spoke to the committee after switching attorneys. she had a very trump friendly attorney, then she switched to a very jeff sessions world attorney. and so, you know, that seemed to -- i don't know if that made a difference, but she definitely is not being -- her lawyers don't come from trump's inner circle and their world. the people who are still deeply involved in maga are doing things like mike flynn. let me play this for you. this also to me was stunning. this is mike flynn, who used to head a key intelligence agency inside of the department of defense. pleading the fifth on some very basic questions about civics. >> do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified morally? >> i take the fifth. >> you believe the violence on january 6th was justified legally? >> fifth. >> general flynn, do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the united states of america? >> the fifth. >> can you imagine a member of the united states military not being able to answer whether or not they -- having to take the fifth on whether
glenn, ms. hutchinson spoke to the committee after switching attorneys. she had a very trump friendly attorney, then she switched to a very jeff sessions world attorney. and so, you know, that seemed to -- i don't know if that made a difference, but she definitely is not being -- her lawyers don't come from trump's inner circle and their world. the people who are still deeply involved in maga are doing things like mike flynn. let me play this for you. this also to me was stunning. this is mike...
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>> ms. hutchinson has been incredibly generous with her time and being deposed multiple times. there was information that was gathered through those conversations that led us to feel this was an important step -- >> respectfully, just to make sure we're clear on this, those are older depositions. those were available of course last week, not on a 24-hour turnaround, so what was the recent part? >> we always said our schedule was fluid. we felt this was important to share with the american pulic, it was timely and important. we didn't think it could wait on a congressional calendar. >> i guess what i'm asking -- and again, just doing my job, because i've already said to the audience how important today's hearing was, but on the process i guess what i'm really asking to pin it was, was there something actually new in the last 24 to 48 hours or have some cynics or critics said, was this something to seem urgent if the understood lying material could have been schedule in the normal procedure? >> this is a normal procedure. a hearing we noticed. from a process standpoint, the commi
>> ms. hutchinson has been incredibly generous with her time and being deposed multiple times. there was information that was gathered through those conversations that led us to feel this was an important step -- >> respectfully, just to make sure we're clear on this, those are older depositions. those were available of course last week, not on a 24-hour turnaround, so what was the recent part? >> we always said our schedule was fluid. we felt this was important to share with...
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tonight her attorneys writing on her behalf, ms. hutchinson stands by all the testimony she provided yesterday. and this evening hutchinson's testimony about senior trump staffers expressing fears that they might end in violence has the january 6th committee looking to speak to a new potential key witness. the then white house counsel who according to hutchinson warned, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen peter alexander now with late details. >> reporter: first cassidy hutchinson's explosive testimony, now the fallout. the committee tonight issuing a subpoena for former white house counsel pa cipollone after hutchinson detailed cipollone's effort to reject mr. trump's original plan to join hi supporters as they converged on the capitol. >> mr. cipollone said somethin to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to capitol, cassidy keep in touch with me, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen >> reporter: hutchinson, 25-year-old fo
tonight her attorneys writing on her behalf, ms. hutchinson stands by all the testimony she provided yesterday. and this evening hutchinson's testimony about senior trump staffers expressing fears that they might end in violence has the january 6th committee looking to speak to a new potential key witness. the then white house counsel who according to hutchinson warned, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen peter alexander now with late details....
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but what did ms. hutchinson offers today? is that the smoking gun needed to prosecute the former president was the although i don't think we know that precisely. don't think we know that precisely-— don't think we know that recisel . , ., ., ., precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. _ precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. i— precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. i think- precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. i think one ofl to be learned. i think one of the key points today that was quite interesting was that she said that mark meadows had wanted to go across the street to the so—called war room where rudy giuliani and other planners of the activities were making plans. think of that for a second, the white house chief of staff wanted to go and be part of the conspiracy that was going to lead to this riot the next day. he was dissuaded only by his 26—year—old staffer, but nonetheless, insisted on being part of the phone conference into that meeting. i would certainly like to know a goo
but what did ms. hutchinson offers today? is that the smoking gun needed to prosecute the former president was the although i don't think we know that precisely. don't think we know that precisely-— don't think we know that recisel . , ., ., ., precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. _ precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. i— precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. i think- precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. i think one ofl to be learned. i think one of the...
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ms. hutchinson. when you return to the white house in the motorcade after the president's speech, where did you go? when i returned to the white house, i walked up stairs towards the chief of staff's office, and i noticed mister rinaldo lingering outside of the office once we had made eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which is just across the hall from mind when i went in he shut the door. i notice bobby angle, who's the head of mr. trump security detail sitting in a chair, looking somewhat discombobulated little last. i looked at tony, he had said, did you ever hear it happened in the beasts? said no, tony, i just got back. what happened tony proceeded to tell me that when the president gotten the beast, he was under the impression from mr. meadows that the off the record movement to the capitol was so possible and likely to happen. but that bobby had more information. so as the president had gotten into the vehicle with bobby, he thought that they were going up to the capital.
ms. hutchinson. when you return to the white house in the motorcade after the president's speech, where did you go? when i returned to the white house, i walked up stairs towards the chief of staff's office, and i noticed mister rinaldo lingering outside of the office once we had made eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which is just across the hall from mind when i went in he shut the door. i notice bobby angle, who's the head of mr. trump security detail sitting in a...
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. >> ms. hutchinson, in prior testimony, you described for us a meeting in the white house around 20:00 a.m. in the morning of january 6th involving chief of staff meadows and tony or gnat toe. were you in that meeting? >> i was. >> let's listen to your testimony about that meeting and then we'll have some questions. >> i think the last time we talked you mentioned some of the weapons that people had at the rally included flag poles, oversized sticks or flag poles, bear spray. is there anything else that you recall hearing about the people who gathered on the ellipse had? >> i remember tony and i having a conversation with mark probably around 10:00 a.m., 10:15 a.m. where i remember tony mentioning knives, guns in the form of pistols and rifles, bear spray, body armor, spears and flag poles. spears were one item, flag poles were one item then tony had relayed to me something to the effect of and these f'ing people are fastening spears on to the end of flag poles. >> is it your understanding th
. >> ms. hutchinson, in prior testimony, you described for us a meeting in the white house around 20:00 a.m. in the morning of january 6th involving chief of staff meadows and tony or gnat toe. were you in that meeting? >> i was. >> let's listen to your testimony about that meeting and then we'll have some questions. >> i think the last time we talked you mentioned some of the weapons that people had at the rally included flag poles, oversized sticks or flag poles, bear...
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they say ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. so what we have here now is someone who was testifying in her own name before the committee in the public under penalty of perjury, compare that with what we're hearing from secret service officials who haven't yet gone on the record, haven't yet gone before the committee. they say they're disputing this. we'll have to wait and see whether or not they do testify. finally, it's important to point out, as stunning as this moment was, one thing that i think is more important to keep in mind, and that is no witness thus far has disputed the idea that trump was so angry about not being able to go to the capitol, at that point we know from her testimony, from the testimony of others, from listening to the police scanner traffic on that day, that members of that angry crowd had weapons and trump was trying to lead that crowd to the capitol where these electoral votes were being counted. he, obviously very angry, according to
they say ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. so what we have here now is someone who was testifying in her own name before the committee in the public under penalty of perjury, compare that with what we're hearing from secret service officials who haven't yet gone on the record, haven't yet gone before the committee. they say they're disputing this. we'll have to wait and see whether or not they...
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now, ms. hutchinson's lawyer also is challenging the secret service saying that they need to testify under oath. of course, that's important here. she's out here testifying in her own name under oath under penalty of perjury. we haven't heard secret service officials doing that related to this incident. so that will be key to watch to see how that unfolds. but again getting back to the idea that trump was heading to the capitol, i think that is the key issue here, the rest of this is somewhat of a sideshow perhaps, but we know based on that testimony yesterday that there were people in the crowd that were armed, we heard the radio traffic from officers actually one the voice of one desperate officer radioing we need to alert the presidential protective detail that there is an armed gunman in a tree. they need to be on high alert. so despite the fact that you had people in this crowd with weapons, trump was still trying to lead this group towards the united states capitol. i think that is key h
now, ms. hutchinson's lawyer also is challenging the secret service saying that they need to testify under oath. of course, that's important here. she's out here testifying in her own name under oath under penalty of perjury. we haven't heard secret service officials doing that related to this incident. so that will be key to watch to see how that unfolds. but again getting back to the idea that trump was heading to the capitol, i think that is the key issue here, the rest of this is somewhat...
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glen, ms. hutchinson spoke to the committee after switching attorneys. she had a very trump-friendly attorney. then she switched to a very jeff sessions world attorney. and so, you know, that seemed to -- i don't know if that made a difference, but she definitely is not being -- her lawyers don't come from trump's inner circle and their world. the people who are still deeply involved in maga are doing things like mike flynn. this also to me was stunning. this is mike flynn, who used to head a key intelligence agency inside of the department of defense. pleading the fifth on some very basic questions about civics. >> do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified morally? >> take the fifth. >> you believe the violence on january 6th was justified legally? >> fifth. >> general flynn, do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the united states of america? >> the fifth. >> can you imagine a member of the united states military not being able to answer whether or not they -- having to take the fifth on whether or not they believe in the
glen, ms. hutchinson spoke to the committee after switching attorneys. she had a very trump-friendly attorney. then she switched to a very jeff sessions world attorney. and so, you know, that seemed to -- i don't know if that made a difference, but she definitely is not being -- her lawyers don't come from trump's inner circle and their world. the people who are still deeply involved in maga are doing things like mike flynn. this also to me was stunning. this is mike flynn, who used to head a...
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>> all i'm saying is that certainly, ms. hutchinson, although she's young, is pretty wise, she knew, and we knew, that when she testified, trump loyalists would try to undercut her testimony, attack her, belittle her and try and discount her testimony under oath. and in fact, that's what is happening right now. but as to witness intimidation, that's a crime. and individuals who are trying to protect the president are committing a crime. we intend to take the evidence that we get of that, and not just sit on it. people ought to be aware that committing the crime, witness tampering, is a serious matter and it is not going to be ignored. >> as a lawyer, you know a lot about crimes and i guess there are people involved in the january 6th who may have been involved, may not have known about things, pat cipollone was a lawyer, is a lawyer, and a lot of information about him came out in yesterday's hearing. you have spoken to him on the committee at some point. but at this point, you are asking in fact, this evening you have issued
>> all i'm saying is that certainly, ms. hutchinson, although she's young, is pretty wise, she knew, and we knew, that when she testified, trump loyalists would try to undercut her testimony, attack her, belittle her and try and discount her testimony under oath. and in fact, that's what is happening right now. but as to witness intimidation, that's a crime. and individuals who are trying to protect the president are committing a crime. we intend to take the evidence that we get of that,...
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. >> ms. hutchinson, did white house chief of staff, mark meadows, ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes ma'am. >> stephen: the president's own chief of staff wanted a "get out of jail free" card. but he didn't get it, so hopefully soon, he will not pass "go," not collect $200, and go directly to jail. ( cheers and applause ) also-- also-- also, in comparison to ms. hutchinson's courage, the committee played some footage of their interview with disgraced former national security advisor, general michael flynn, who seemed disinclined to be forthcoming. >> general flynn, do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified? >> i said-- i said the fifth. >> do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified morally? >> take the fifth. >> do you believe the violence on january 6th was justified legally? >> fifth. >> general flynn, do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the un
. >> ms. hutchinson, did white house chief of staff, mark meadows, ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes ma'am. >> stephen: the president's own chief of staff wanted a "get out of jail free" card. but he didn't get it, so hopefully soon, he will not pass "go," not collect $200, and go directly to jail. ( cheers and applause ) also-- also-- also, in comparison...
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>> he did. >> ms. hutchinson, did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th. >> mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. >> so they all knew this too. right? they all wanted pardons for their roles in trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election. >> i've now counted i think nine people that have been directly linked to a pardon request. we have giuliani and meadows. we also have, of course, john eastman, and then five or six republican members of congress, depending on how you count it. hutchinson offered various testimony when it came to how directly she knew about these requests, but this seemed to be going around. this seemed to be something that was -- that was being talked about pretty openly given how many requests there were, and of course we shouldn't be too surprised about that because when we first learned about this, john eastman, that email that he sent, it referred to, quote the
>> he did. >> ms. hutchinson, did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th. >> mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. >> so they all knew this too. right? they all wanted pardons for their roles in trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election. >> i've now counted i think nine people that have been directly linked to a pardon request. we have giuliani...
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late today, her lawyers issued this statement saying, quote, ms. hutchinson stands by all the testimony she provided yesterday, under oath to the select committee, to investigate the january six committee on the united states capitol. just a short time ago, the reagan library, committee vice chair liz cheney spoke about the investigation and its meaning for hours democracy. >> at this moment, we are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before. and that is, a former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. >> and he is aided by republican leaders and elected officials who made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man. >> with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel, jacqueline alemany, congressional investigations reporter for the washington post, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times and nyu law school professor melissa murray. she was a law clerk for sonia sotomayor on the federal bench before
late today, her lawyers issued this statement saying, quote, ms. hutchinson stands by all the testimony she provided yesterday, under oath to the select committee, to investigate the january six committee on the united states capitol. just a short time ago, the reagan library, committee vice chair liz cheney spoke about the investigation and its meaning for hours democracy. >> at this moment, we are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before. and that is, a former...
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>> well, first of all, ms. hutchinson testified under oath. i think she provided credible testimony to the committee. and if there are others who have information about the facts she covered, we would like to hear from them. we look forward to hearing their testimony under oath. and as to whether that will be in a public hearing or in a different part of our investigation, we look forward to receiving as much information from those secret service officers and others who can provide information relevant to the work we're doing. >> haven't ornoto and engle already testified but behind closed doors? because congressman raskin told me he didn't know of any corroborating evidence. i'm just confused about this. were they not asked about it when they testified? >> i believe their testimony happened earlier, and therefore, we have additional questions to ask them, so we look forward to them and we're glad the secret service has said they're willing to return and speak to the committee more. >> will they do so openly, in open hearing? >> you know, as f
>> well, first of all, ms. hutchinson testified under oath. i think she provided credible testimony to the committee. and if there are others who have information about the facts she covered, we would like to hear from them. we look forward to hearing their testimony under oath. and as to whether that will be in a public hearing or in a different part of our investigation, we look forward to receiving as much information from those secret service officers and others who can provide...
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he wanted the screenings stopped to let more people in, ms hutchinson told the committee in previously recorded testimony. i overheard the president says something to the effect of, "i don't care they have weapons. they are not here to hurt me. take that away." donald trump: we are going to walk down and i'll be there with you. - trump did want to go to the capitol but as he ordered the secret service to drive him there he was told it wasn't safe. he said something to the effect of, "i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now." when the president's secret service agent bobby engel refused to go to the capitol, trump got physical. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr engel grabbed his arm and said, "sir, you need to take your arm off the steering wheel." "we are going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol." mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was ha
he wanted the screenings stopped to let more people in, ms hutchinson told the committee in previously recorded testimony. i overheard the president says something to the effect of, "i don't care they have weapons. they are not here to hurt me. take that away." donald trump: we are going to walk down and i'll be there with you. - trump did want to go to the capitol but as he ordered the secret service to drive him there he was told it wasn't safe. he said something to the effect of,...
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i think the lack of pushback we are getting into the details of what ms. hutchinson had to say speaks volumes. it is jarring, certainly not anything i could imagine. i was trying to think if even the movie version would have something like this. if there was a tom clancy movie that might have an altercation. i would reject the premise of that before you allow the script to get filmed. kristen: another shocking portion surrounds what hutchinson overheard with regards to how the president reacted to the chance of hang mike pence. rick: he said maybe they have a point. maybe they are rightfully angry. his angry was not directed toward them. the fact that he knew what many of their intentions were into they knew they were -- he heard about the weapons. the one reason they couldn't allow more people where the weapons. his reaction, they are my people. they are not here to hurt me. that is unimaginable. the secret service takes the threat much more seriously. you can't read someone's intentions. he viewed the mob at the capitol as his supporters. he was at that
i think the lack of pushback we are getting into the details of what ms. hutchinson had to say speaks volumes. it is jarring, certainly not anything i could imagine. i was trying to think if even the movie version would have something like this. if there was a tom clancy movie that might have an altercation. i would reject the premise of that before you allow the script to get filmed. kristen: another shocking portion surrounds what hutchinson overheard with regards to how the president reacted...
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was no significant fraud in the election. >> ms. hutchinson, how did the president react to hearing that news? >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall. there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> miss hutchinson, was this the only instance that you are aware of where the president threw dishes? >> it's not. there are several times throughout my tenure with the chief of staff that i was aware of him either throwing dishes or flipping the tablecloth to let all the contents of the table go onto the floor and likely break or go everywhere. >> reporter: on january 6th, even after he returned to the white house, trump still wanted to join the march to the capitol. >> he said he wanted to physically walk with the marchers, he wanted to be a part of the march himself, actually. >> reporter: but he did not go, and his supporters soon breached the capitol building. hutc
was no significant fraud in the election. >> ms. hutchinson, how did the president react to hearing that news? >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall. there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> miss hutchinson, was this the only instance that you are aware of where the president threw dishes? >>...
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hutchinson's attorney tweeting overnight ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney also supporting hutchinson saying i know her. i don't think she's lying. meanwhile, hutchinson said trump was furious, more people were not allowed near the stage at his rally before the attack, some apparently unable to get through the mags or metal detectors because they had weapons. >> i overheard the president say sig to the effect of no effing care if they have weapons, they are not there to hurt me, take the effing mags away. >> reporter: hutchinson testified that mark meadows and rudy giuliani wanted presidential pardons. giuliani denies t meadows did not immediately comment. and hutchinson provided new insight into the trump white house, describing the president leaving a trail of ketchup on the white house wall after attorney general bill barr declared there was no fraud in the election. >>
hutchinson's attorney tweeting overnight ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney also supporting hutchinson saying i know her. i don't think she's lying. meanwhile, hutchinson said trump was furious, more people were not allowed near the stage at his rally before the attack, some apparently unable to get through the mags or metal detectors...
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donald trump has his own social media platforms, he has come out and condemned ms. hutchinson testimony, saying she is a phony and fraud, that she was angling for a job and upset she did not get a job from donald trump afterwards. a lot of it was boilerplate that we have heard from donald trump whenever anyone has come against him in public. laura: thank you so much for joining us. let's get more on the impact of today's hearing. we are joined by sarah longwell, a republican strategist who conducts focus groups with voters from across the american political spectrum. telus, how do you think today's hearing will play with voters in your focus groups? sarah: it depends which voters you are talking about. when it comes to trump voters, they are going to say the same things that they said during the impeachment hearings and in fact, i have done two focus groups of trump voters since the hearings began. they basically say look, it is a dog and pony show, it is trying to get trump. there was something interesting about it. two things. the first is that, they are all aware
donald trump has his own social media platforms, he has come out and condemned ms. hutchinson testimony, saying she is a phony and fraud, that she was angling for a job and upset she did not get a job from donald trump afterwards. a lot of it was boilerplate that we have heard from donald trump whenever anyone has come against him in public. laura: thank you so much for joining us. let's get more on the impact of today's hearing. we are joined by sarah longwell, a republican strategist who...
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he wanted the screenings stopped to let more people in, ms hutchinson told the committee in previously recorded testimony. i overheard the president say something to the effect of, "i don't effing care they have weapons. "they're not here to hurt me. "take the effing mags away." donald trump: we are going to walk down and i'll be there with you. trump did want to go to the capitol but as he ordered the secret service to drive him there he was told it wasn't safe. he said something to the effect of, "i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now." when the president's secret service agent, bobby engel, refused to go to the capitol, trump got physical. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr engel grabbed his arm and said, "sir, you need "to take your hand off the steering wheel. "we're going back to the west wing. "we're not going to the capitol." mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story "that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard
he wanted the screenings stopped to let more people in, ms hutchinson told the committee in previously recorded testimony. i overheard the president say something to the effect of, "i don't effing care they have weapons. "they're not here to hurt me. "take the effing mags away." donald trump: we are going to walk down and i'll be there with you. trump did want to go to the capitol but as he ordered the secret service to drive him there he was told it wasn't safe. he said...