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>> mr. giuliani, mr. giuliani's associates, mr. meadows, members of congress, it's difficult to distinguish the members i'm thinking were involved at thanksgiving -- >> at the presidents request, >> what did the president say when he called? >> he turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather contingent electors in case legal challenges that were ongoing change the result. of any of the dates. [inaudible] my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them. . >> as trump in his supporters continue to lose, some campaign lawyers became convinced that the states trump laws were no longer appropriate [inaudible] . >> i called somebody saying, there must be a litigation pending in the states i don't think this is appropriate and it's not the right thing to do. i don't remember how i phrased it but, i got into a back and forth and i think it was with can cheese borough where i said, all right, get after it i'm out. >> at that point,
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giuliani were false. >> thank you very much. i would like to play again a testimony from mr. donahoe who appear before the committee before today. >> mr. donahoe, we talked at some length about whether or not the white house, the present was informed about the report. on the result of the investigation the interviews that are going on on fulton county, how would those results have been communicated to the white house, to the president? >> i don't know how to initially communicated. do know that they came up in subsequent conversations with the president, and we essentially told him we look into that and it's just not true. >> okay. so he was informed? >> i told the president myself that several times in several conversations that these allegations about ballots being smuggled in in the suitcase and run to the machine several times, it was not true, that would look at a conflict of the video, interviewed witnesses and it was not true. >> mr. pak after you left the u.s. attorney's office on january 4, 2021, the next u.s. attorney there, mr. trump's personal pick, bobby christin
giuliani were false. >> thank you very much. i would like to play again a testimony from mr. donahoe who appear before the committee before today. >> mr. donahoe, we talked at some length about whether or not the white house, the present was informed about the report. on the result of the investigation the interviews that are going on on fulton county, how would those results have been communicated to the white house, to the president? >> i don't know how to initially...
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mr. meadows, mr. giuliani, and a few of mr. giuliani's associates. >> the select committee interviewed several of the individual fake electors as well as trump campaign staff who helped organe the effort. >> we were just, younow, kind of -- kind of useful idiots or rubes at that point. you know, a strong part of me really feels that it's just kind of as the road continued and as that was failure, failure, failure that tt got foulated as what we have on the table. let's just do it. >> and now after what we've told you today abouthe committee's investigation, about the conclusion of the professional lawyers on the campaign staff, justin clark, matt morgan, and josh finley, about their unwillingness to participate in the convening of these electors, how does that contribute to your understanding of these issues? >> i'm angry. i'm angry because i think -- i think in a sense, you know, no one really cred if people were potentially putting themselves in jeopardy. >> would you have not wanted to participate in this any further as well
mr. meadows, mr. giuliani, and a few of mr. giuliani's associates. >> the select committee interviewed several of the individual fake electors as well as trump campaign staff who helped organe the effort. >> we were just, younow, kind of -- kind of useful idiots or rubes at that point. you know, a strong part of me really feels that it's just kind of as the road continued and as that was failure, failure, failure that tt got foulated as what we have on the table. let's just do it....
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meadows about your conversation with mr. giuliani? >> i did. after mr. giuliani had lefthe campus that evening, i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in his office on the couch. he was scrolling through his phone. i remember leaning against the doorway and saying, i just had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. it sounds like we're going to go to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of, there's a lot going on, cass, but i don't know. things might get real, real bad on january 6. >> ms. hutchinson, mr. meadows is engaged in litigation with the committee to try to avoid testifying here. what -- what was your reaction when he said to you things might get real, real bad? >> in the days before january 2, i was apprehensive about the 6th. i had heard general plans for a rally. i had heard tentative movements to potentially go to the capitol. but when hearing rudy's take on january 6 and then mark's response, that was the first -- that evening was the first moment that i remember feeling scared an
meadows about your conversation with mr. giuliani? >> i did. after mr. giuliani had lefthe campus that evening, i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in his office on the couch. he was scrolling through his phone. i remember leaning against the doorway and saying, i just had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. it sounds like we're going to go to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of, there's a lot going on, cass, but i...
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giuliani were false. ms. lofgren: i would like to play again testimony from mr. donoghue, who appeared before the committee before today. mr. donoghue, we talked so much about whether or not the white house and the president was informed. on the results of the investigation, the interviews that have gone on on in fulton county, how were those results communicated to the white house, to the president? >> i don't know how to initially communicated and they came up in subsequent communications with the president and we looked into it and it was not true. ms. cheney: he was informed? >> i told the president several times that these allegations about ballots smuggled in in a suitcase and run through the machine several times it was not true. ms. lofgren: after u.s. left the u.s. attorney's office is the next u.s. attorney, mr. trump's personal pick, did he investigate any remaining claps of fraud? and if so, did he find any evidence that supported the president's claim of voter fraud? pac pk -- mr. pak: he was unable to find any evidence of fraud that affected the scr
giuliani were false. ms. lofgren: i would like to play again testimony from mr. donoghue, who appeared before the committee before today. mr. donoghue, we talked so much about whether or not the white house and the president was informed. on the results of the investigation, the interviews that have gone on on in fulton county, how were those results communicated to the white house, to the president? >> i don't know how to initially communicated and they came up in subsequent...
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giuliani were false. >> thank you very much. i would like to play again a testimony from mr. donoghue, who appeared before the committee before today. >> mr. donoghue, we talked at length about whether or not the white house said it was informed about this report. on the result of the investigation, the interviews that have gone on in fulton county, how would those results have been communicated to the white house, to the president? >> i don't know how they were initially communicated. i do know they came up in subsequent conversations with the president, and we essentially told him that we looked into it and it's just not true. >> okay. so he was informed? >> i told the president myself that, several times, and several conversations, that these allegations about ballots being smuggled in, in the suitcase, run through the machine several times, that it was not true. it would look at the video, we interviewed the witnesses, and it was not true. >> mr. pak come after you left the u.s. attorney office on january 4th, 2021, did the next u.s. attorney, did he investigate any remai
giuliani were false. >> thank you very much. i would like to play again a testimony from mr. donoghue, who appeared before the committee before today. >> mr. donoghue, we talked at length about whether or not the white house said it was informed about this report. on the result of the investigation, the interviews that have gone on in fulton county, how would those results have been communicated to the white house, to the president? >> i don't know how they were initially...
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meadows about your conversation with mr. giuliani? >> i. did after mr. giuliani had left the campus that evening, i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in his office on the couch, scrolling through his phone. i remember leaning against the doorway and saying, there was an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. it sounds like we are going to go to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone. and said something to the effect of, there is a lot going on, cassidy, but i don't know. things might get real, real bad on january 6th. >> that's giuliani and meadows knowing there was a plan to go to the capitol, four days before the sacking of the capitol, the mob stormed the capitol, we're going to the capitol, the president is going to the capitol. we already knew the likes of steve bannon, the podcaster into shirted trump advisor, warning that all hell would break loose on the sixth. but now it seems that meadows and giuliani, two of trump's closest advisers in this frothy period of the election, also knew something was going down that day, s
meadows about your conversation with mr. giuliani? >> i. did after mr. giuliani had left the campus that evening, i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in his office on the couch, scrolling through his phone. i remember leaning against the doorway and saying, there was an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. it sounds like we are going to go to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone. and said something to the effect of, there is a lot going on, cassidy, but i...
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kushner, your view of mr. giuliani, about the president? >> yes -- >> police said. >> it was basically not the approach that i would take to advise you. >> how did president trump react when you share that view with him? >> i have confidence in rudy. >> i think i had conversations with probably all our council who are signed up to assist on election day, as they disengage with the campaign. the general consensus was that law firms were not comfortable making the arguments that rudy giuliani was making publicly. it's a miracle that i had a similar conversation with -- >> i made it clear that i did not agree with the idea that saying the election was stolen and putting out the stuff, which i told the president was bullshit. i did not want to be a part of it. that is one of the reasons that made me decide to leave when i did. >> even sydney powell, defending herself in a defamation lawsuit brought by dominion voting systems, argued that, quote, no reasonable person would conclude that her statements were truly statements of fact. mister chairm
kushner, your view of mr. giuliani, about the president? >> yes -- >> police said. >> it was basically not the approach that i would take to advise you. >> how did president trump react when you share that view with him? >> i have confidence in rudy. >> i think i had conversations with probably all our council who are signed up to assist on election day, as they disengage with the campaign. the general consensus was that law firms were not comfortable making...
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>> it was in our office, mr. meadows, mr. giuliani, and mr. giuliani's associates. >> the select committee interviewed fake electors. >> we are kind of useful idiots, a strong part of me really feels that it's just kind of as the road continued and those failure, failure, failure, that that got formulated is what do we have on the table, let's just do it. >> and now after what we have told you today about the select committee investigation about the conclusion of the professional lawyers on the campaign staff, about their unwillingness to participate in the convening of these electors, how does that contribute to your understanding of the issues. >> i'm angry, i'm angry, because i think, i think in a sense, you know, no one really cared if people would potentially put themselves in jeopardy. >> would you have not wanted to participate in this any further as well? >> i absolutely would not have, had i known the three main lawyers for the campaign that i've spoken to in the past and were leading up were not on board. yeah. >> i was told that the
>> it was in our office, mr. meadows, mr. giuliani, and mr. giuliani's associates. >> the select committee interviewed fake electors. >> we are kind of useful idiots, a strong part of me really feels that it's just kind of as the road continued and those failure, failure, failure, that that got formulated is what do we have on the table, let's just do it. >> and now after what we have told you today about the select committee investigation about the conclusion of the...
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both mr. giuliani asked her, and i asked, generally, if they'd brought it with them she said, "no, it's not with me, but we can get it to you." >> seth: i mean, this is just me, but if i was preparing for a high-stakes meeting with a prominent republican official, to convince them to overturn their state's election results, reversing the will of 80 million people and potentially provoking a constitutional crisis, i mean, i think i and again, this just me, i think i'd remember to bring the evidence just me, that's just me. "oh, man, the evidence oh, man, i can't believe i forgot in my defense, i had a terrible night's sleep. the hotel i stayed at did not have the best pillows. [ laughter ] they actually thought they could get away with saying they had the proof, just never having it with them. these people are such bad scam artists. it's actually remarkable how close they came to overthrowing american democracy in fact, even calling them scam artists is overstating the case. that's like calling
both mr. giuliani asked her, and i asked, generally, if they'd brought it with them she said, "no, it's not with me, but we can get it to you." >> seth: i mean, this is just me, but if i was preparing for a high-stakes meeting with a prominent republican official, to convince them to overturn their state's election results, reversing the will of 80 million people and potentially provoking a constitutional crisis, i mean, i think i and again, this just me, i think i'd remember to...
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. >> is it your understanding that mr. giuliani, mr. eastman and others had set up what has been called, quote, a war room at the willard hotel on the night of the 5th. >> i was aware of that the night of the 5th. >> do you know if mr. meadows ever intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> mr. meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the willard hotel so he could attend the meeting or meetings with mr. giuliani and his associates in the war room. >> and what was your view as to whether or not mr. meadows should go to the willard that night? >> i had made it clear to mr. meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the willard hotel that night. i wasn't sure everything that was going on at the willard hotel, although i knew enough about what mr. giuliani and his associates were pushing during this period. i didn't think it was something appropriate for the white house chief of staff to attend or to consider involveme
. >> is it your understanding that mr. giuliani, mr. eastman and others had set up what has been called, quote, a war room at the willard hotel on the night of the 5th. >> i was aware of that the night of the 5th. >> do you know if mr. meadows ever intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> mr. meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the willard hotel so he could attend...
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>> i'm not sure. >> is it your understanding that mr. giuliani, mr. eastman and others set up what has been called a quote, war room, at the willard hotel on the nigh of the 5th? >> i was aware of that. >> and do you know if mr. meadows intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th. >> mr. meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the willard hotel so he could attend the meeting or meetings with mr. giuliani and his associates in the war room. >> and what was your view as to whether or not mr. meadows should go to the willard that night? >> i had made it clear to mr. meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the willard hotel that night. i wasn't sure everything that was going on at the willard hotel although i knew enough about what mr. giuliani and his associates were pushing during this period. i didn't think it was something appropriate for the white house chief to have staff to attend or consider involvement in. i made that clear t
>> i'm not sure. >> is it your understanding that mr. giuliani, mr. eastman and others set up what has been called a quote, war room, at the willard hotel on the nigh of the 5th? >> i was aware of that. >> and do you know if mr. meadows intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th. >> mr. meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the willard hotel so he could attend the...
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>> it was in our office it was mr. meadows, mr. giuliani and mr. giuliani's associates. >> the select committee interviewed several of the individual fake electors as well as trump campaign staff who helped organize the effort. >> we were useful idiots at that point. you know, strong part of me really feels that it's just as the road continued and as it was failure, failure, failure that that got formulated as what do we have on the table, let's just do it. >> and now after what we've told you today about the select committee's investigation about the conclusion of the professional lawyers on the campaign staff, clark, morgan and finley about their unwillingness to participate in the convening of these electors, how does that contribute to your understanding of these issues? >> i'm angry. i'm angry because i think in a sense no one really cared if people were potentially putting themselves in jeopardy. >> would you have not wanted to participate in this any further as well? >> absolutely would not have had i known that the three main lawyers for th
>> it was in our office it was mr. meadows, mr. giuliani and mr. giuliani's associates. >> the select committee interviewed several of the individual fake electors as well as trump campaign staff who helped organize the effort. >> we were useful idiots at that point. you know, strong part of me really feels that it's just as the road continued and as it was failure, failure, failure that that got formulated as what do we have on the table, let's just do it. >> and now...
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and mr. giuliani came on first. and niceties. then mr. trump, president trump, then president trump came on. and we initiated a conversation. >> during that conversation, did you ask mr. giuliani for proof of the allegations of fraud that he was making? >> on multiple occasions, yes. >> and when you asked him for evidence, what did he say? >> he said they did have proof, and asked him do you have names? for example, we have 200,000 illegal immigrants. some large number. 5,000 or 6,000 dead people, et cetera. i said do you have their names? yes. will you give them to me? yes. the president interrupted and said give the man what he needs, rudy. he said i will. and that happened on at least two occasions, thor interchange. >> mr. giuliani was claiming there were hundreds of thousands of undocumented people, and thousands of dead people who had purportedly voted in the election? >> yes. >> and you asked him for evidence of that? >> i did. >> and did he ever receive -- did you ever receive from him that evidence either during the call, after t
and mr. giuliani came on first. and niceties. then mr. trump, president trump, then president trump came on. and we initiated a conversation. >> during that conversation, did you ask mr. giuliani for proof of the allegations of fraud that he was making? >> on multiple occasions, yes. >> and when you asked him for evidence, what did he say? >> he said they did have proof, and asked him do you have names? for example, we have 200,000 illegal immigrants. some large number....
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did you meet with mr. giuliani and his associates while they were in phoenix? sometime after that purported legislative hearing at the hotel? yes, i did, sir. and at that meeting, did mister juliani raise any specific allegations of election fraud again? and his initial comments were again the litany of groups of illegal individuals or people, deceased, et cetera. and he had brought that up and i wasn't alone in that meeting. there others and other members of the senate aggressively questioned him. and then i proceeded to question him on the proof that he was going to bring me, etc. and he did bring those up. yes. and these other legislatures legislators were also republican members of the senate. they were yes sir. and did they also press him for proof of these allegations? they pressed him very strongly. 2 of them especially very strongly. and at some point, did mister giuliani ask one of the other attorneys on his team to help him out with the evidence he did. he asked jenny alice, who was sitting to his right of one thing was that it was more to the point o
did you meet with mr. giuliani and his associates while they were in phoenix? sometime after that purported legislative hearing at the hotel? yes, i did, sir. and at that meeting, did mister juliani raise any specific allegations of election fraud again? and his initial comments were again the litany of groups of illegal individuals or people, deceased, et cetera. and he had brought that up and i wasn't alone in that meeting. there others and other members of the senate aggressively questioned...
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giuliani, was meeting with mark meadows and others. do you remember mr. giuliani meeting with mr. meadows on january 2, 2021? >> i do. he met with mr. meadows in the evening of january 2. >> we understand you walked mr. giuliani out of the white house that night. and he talked to you about january 6. what do you remember him saying? >> we were walking to his vehicle that evening. he looked at me and said something to the effect of, are you excited for the 6th? is going to be a great day. i remember looking at him saying, rudy, can you explain what is happening on the 6th? he had responded something to the effect of, we are going to the capitol, it's going to be great, the president is going to be there, he's going to look powerful. talk to the chief about it. he knows about it. >> and did you go back then up to the west wing and tell mr. meadows about your conversations with mr. giuliani? >> i did. after he had left the campus that evening, i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in his office on the couch, scrolling through his phone, leaning against the doorway, say
giuliani, was meeting with mark meadows and others. do you remember mr. giuliani meeting with mr. meadows on january 2, 2021? >> i do. he met with mr. meadows in the evening of january 2. >> we understand you walked mr. giuliani out of the white house that night. and he talked to you about january 6. what do you remember him saying? >> we were walking to his vehicle that evening. he looked at me and said something to the effect of, are you excited for the 6th? is going to be a...
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>> mr. giuliani, several of his associates, mr. meadows, members of congress. it is difficult to distinguish if the members i am thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or involved as it progressed through decision. >> at the president's collect request, rnc campaign assisted coordinating this effort. >> what did the president say? >> essentially he turned the call over to mr. eastman who proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. i think more helping them reach out and assemble them. my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them in that role. >> as president trump and his supporters continued to lose lawsuits, some campaign lawyers became convinced convening electors in states trump lost was no longer appropriate. >> i just remember, i replied or called somebody saying unless we have litigation pending in these states, i don't think this is appropriate, this isn't the right
>> mr. giuliani, several of his associates, mr. meadows, members of congress. it is difficult to distinguish if the members i am thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or involved as it progressed through decision. >> at the president's collect request, rnc campaign assisted coordinating this effort. >> what did the president say? >> essentially he turned the call over to mr. eastman who proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather...
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mr. secretary, was the president asking you for exactly at he wanted? i is wonly have nd oo, investigated i could share the numbers with you ther certified. as general counsel said, there was no shredding of ballots >>> mr. secretary a this request, the president goes back to the danger of having you deny these allegations of fraud, let's listen to that part of the clip. >> i watched you this morning and you said there was no criminality but i mean all of this stuff is dangerous stuff. when you talk about no criminality i think it's very dangerous for you to say that. >> secretary, you wrote about this in your book and you said, quote, i felt then and still believe today that this was a threat. others obviously thought so too, because some of trump more radical followers responded as if it was their duty to carry out this threat. please tell us what you, your wife, even your daughter-in-law experienced regarding threats from trump's more radical followers. >> after the election, my e-mail
mr. secretary, was the president asking you for exactly at he wanted? i is wonly have nd oo, investigated i could share the numbers with you ther certified. as general counsel said, there was no shredding of ballots >>> mr. secretary a this request, the president goes back to the danger of having you deny these allegations of fraud, let's listen to that part of the clip. >> i watched you this morning and you said there was no criminality but i mean all of this stuff is dangerous...
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>> i'm not sure. >> is it your understanding mr. giuliani, mr. eastman and others had set up what is called "a war room" at the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> i was aware of that the night of the 5th. >> do you know if mr. meadows ever intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> mr. meadows had a conversation with me, he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the willard hotel so he could attend the meeting or meetings with mr. giuliani and his associates in the war room. >> and what was your view as to whether or not mr. meadows should go to the willard that night? >> i had made it clear to mr. meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the willard hotel that night. i was not sure everything that was going on at the willard hotel, although i knew enough about what mr. giuliani and his associates were pushing during this period. i didn't think it was something appropriate for the white house chief of staff to attend or to consider involvement in. i made th
>> i'm not sure. >> is it your understanding mr. giuliani, mr. eastman and others had set up what is called "a war room" at the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> i was aware of that the night of the 5th. >> do you know if mr. meadows ever intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> mr. meadows had a conversation with me, he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the willard hotel so he could...
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>> mr. giuliani, several of mr. giuliani's associates, mr. meadows, members of congress, though it is difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or if they were involved as we progressed through december. >> reporter: according to the committee, hutchinson also testified that meadows had been directly warned the events of january 6th could turn violent. hutchinson has a history in republican politics, now in her 20s, she previously worked for other high profile conservatives, including ted cruz and steve scalise. earlier this month, hutchinson dropping her trump world attorney, for an ally of former attorney general and trump punching bag jeff sessions. fueling speculation hutchinson would appear live before the committee. and hutchinson has been compared to john dean, of course, that is nixon's white house counsel, whose famous testimony, watergate testimony, helped bring president nixon down. if that is an accurate comparison, that's something we're going to learn later today. >> kristen, thank
>> mr. giuliani, several of mr. giuliani's associates, mr. meadows, members of congress, though it is difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or if they were involved as we progressed through december. >> reporter: according to the committee, hutchinson also testified that meadows had been directly warned the events of january 6th could turn violent. hutchinson has a history in republican politics, now in her 20s, she previously...
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>> mr. giuliani. several of mr. giuliani's associates. mr. meadows. members of congress, although it's difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved at thanksgiving or involved as it progressed through december. >> reporter: according to the committee, hutchinson also testified that it could turn violent. hutchinson has a history of republican politics, now in her 20s, she previously worked for other high-profile conservatives including ted cruise and steve scalise. earlier this morning hutchinson dropping her trump attorney and viewing speculation that hutchinson would appear live before the committee. sources have told cnn at least some of the secrecy around her live testimony because there are real concerns for hutchenson's safety given what she's told the committee. again, highlighting the importance of what she believes the information holds. >> kristen holmes, thank you for that. joining us senior political correspondent for "the new york times" maggie haberman. maggie, this is intriguing today. "a," it wasn't on the sche
>> mr. giuliani. several of mr. giuliani's associates. mr. meadows. members of congress, although it's difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved at thanksgiving or involved as it progressed through december. >> reporter: according to the committee, hutchinson also testified that it could turn violent. hutchinson has a history of republican politics, now in her 20s, she previously worked for other high-profile conservatives including ted cruise and steve...
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>> mr. giuliani, several of mr. giuliani's associates. mr. meadows. members of congress, although it's difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or if they were involved as the it progressed through december. >> reporter: according to the committee, hutchinson testified that meadows warned that january 6 could turn violent. hutchinson has a history in republican politics, now in her 20s she previously worked for other high-profile conservatives intucluding ted cruz and scalis. hutchinson has been compared to john dean, nixon's white house counsels who watergate testimony helped to bring down nixon. whether or not that's an accurate comparison that's something we'll find out later today. kate. >> kristen, stick with me, joining me is cnn legal analyst elie honig. you consider hutchinson an important witness for the committee. why? >> we'll see how she does, but she has all the markers of really a perfect witness. for example, she had access, we know that, she was in the white house, close to mark meadows
>> mr. giuliani, several of mr. giuliani's associates. mr. meadows. members of congress, although it's difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or if they were involved as the it progressed through december. >> reporter: according to the committee, hutchinson testified that meadows warned that january 6 could turn violent. hutchinson has a history in republican politics, now in her 20s she previously worked for other high-profile...
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>> that was mr. giuliani. >> what exactly did he say and how did that come up? >> my recollection, he said we got lots of theories we just don't have the evidence. and i don't know if that was a gaffe or maybe he didn't think through what he said, but both myself and others in my group, the three in my group and my counsel both remember that specifically and afterwards we kind of laughed about it. >> we've got lots of theories. we just don't have the evidence. we also heard yesterday from georgia election workers, a mother and daughter, after the president and his lawyer rudy giuliani dragged their names through the mud to advance their big lie. >> tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shea freeman moss and one other gentlemen, surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're viles of heroin or cocaine. a week ago they're still walking around georgia lying. should have been -- they should have been questioned already. their places of work and homes should have been searched. >> in one of the videos we just watched mr. giuliani accused you and your mo
>> that was mr. giuliani. >> what exactly did he say and how did that come up? >> my recollection, he said we got lots of theories we just don't have the evidence. and i don't know if that was a gaffe or maybe he didn't think through what he said, but both myself and others in my group, the three in my group and my counsel both remember that specifically and afterwards we kind of laughed about it. >> we've got lots of theories. we just don't have the evidence. we also...