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went today, especially where he was talking about michael cohen and how michael cohen calls keith davidson kind of using him as a therapist to lament the fact that trump was not going to bring him into the administration. and keith davidson testified that cohen seemed suicidal and that point because of everything that was happening. but where they felt that it was really the most effective was going after davidson were got incredibly contentious for the first time that we've really seen it be that high of a temper, i think inside the courtroom as they were drilling down on him, questioning him about whether or not he was extorting trump, likening the other people that he has worked with when it comes to whole cogen, lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and kinda trying to flustered keith davidson, which it seemed to be somewhat successful. i don't know what how it read in the courtroom right in the core. it was it was it was tough sledding. i mean, it was really hard watching it just in just two days ago, two days ago, he was polished and he got almost timid. one thing that was very striking to m
went today, especially where he was talking about michael cohen and how michael cohen calls keith davidson kind of using him as a therapist to lament the fact that trump was not going to bring him into the administration. and keith davidson testified that cohen seemed suicidal and that point because of everything that was happening. but where they felt that it was really the most effective was going after davidson were got incredibly contentious for the first time that we've really seen it be...
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between michael cohen and keith davidson. what was the goal. to ensure that that occurs, i'm assuming the deal, so i can tell mr. trump the matter is under control. cohen, i was hoping ami is going to make the payment. you knew they were not. cohen says, that's correct. why did you have the phone call after business hours? cohen says to discuss the finalization of the funding and the particulars for the funding of the execution of the nondisclosure. hoffinger, did you settle up an account for essential consultants. cohen said i went across the street and told them i need to do a transfer. this is color, trump is conferring with bove, fairly frequently throughout this line of questioning. he's getting more animated. hoffinger said before you did that, did you speak to mr. trump. cohen says i did. hoffinger, two calls on october 26th, 2016, around 8:30 a.m. cohen says, i did, he wanted to ensure once again he approved what i was doing. hoffinger would you have made that payment to stormy daniels without sign off from mr. trump. cohen says no. hof
between michael cohen and keith davidson. what was the goal. to ensure that that occurs, i'm assuming the deal, so i can tell mr. trump the matter is under control. cohen, i was hoping ami is going to make the payment. you knew they were not. cohen says, that's correct. why did you have the phone call after business hours? cohen says to discuss the finalization of the funding and the particulars for the funding of the execution of the nondisclosure. hoffinger, did you settle up an account for...
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these are calls between michael cohen and keith davidson. keith davidson testified that these calls were recorded surreptitiously by michael cohen. i'll read you a little bit from the transcript, and bear with me because it can be hard to follow. here's what it is. michael cohen, saying would you write a book, break away from the entire trump, we'll call it the doctrine. would you go completely rogue, it's not just me that's being affected. it's my entirely family. it's that nobody is thinking about michael. i wasn't going to play penny wise. i'm saying to myself, what about me, and i can't tell you how many times he said we did it, and everyone said it was the right move. what about me and i can't even tell you how many times. that's a repeat, sorry. steinglass asks keith davidson, who did you understand he to be a reference to in that michael cohen call. davidson said mr. trump. steinglass said about what. davidson, stormy daniels settlement. all right. let's try to figure out what's going on here. back with us, adam pollock and catherine
these are calls between michael cohen and keith davidson. keith davidson testified that these calls were recorded surreptitiously by michael cohen. i'll read you a little bit from the transcript, and bear with me because it can be hard to follow. here's what it is. michael cohen, saying would you write a book, break away from the entire trump, we'll call it the doctrine. would you go completely rogue, it's not just me that's being affected. it's my entirely family. it's that nobody is thinking...
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to keith schiller texting back, saying call me and michael cohen calls keith schiller. this is the conversation that previously michael cohen had said he was calling speak to donald trump to tell him that the storm he was going ahead with the stormy daniel arrangement and the trump approved it, which was a a crucial crucial michael cohen's whole raison d'etre for being on the stand. he's the only person testifying to involvement by direct involvement by donald trump in the stormy daniels payment but according to suddenly now, michael cohen's refresh memory, he now says, oh, it was a call about this 14 year-old making prank phone calls to me, but also about the moving ahead on stormy daniels, todd blanche was incredulous. his voice cracking, his voice please, for raising up, moving around the courtroom speaking saying saying that what the jury doesn't want to hear for him guessing, it wants to hear fax. it was an extraordinary cross-examination by todd blanche and michael cohen's throughout the day, michael cohen, when cornered in gwen, he found himself in a corner he do
to keith schiller texting back, saying call me and michael cohen calls keith schiller. this is the conversation that previously michael cohen had said he was calling speak to donald trump to tell him that the storm he was going ahead with the stormy daniel arrangement and the trump approved it, which was a a crucial crucial michael cohen's whole raison d'etre for being on the stand. he's the only person testifying to involvement by direct involvement by donald trump in the stormy daniels...
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keith davidson discussed the back and forth he had with michael cohen about the payment. a very telling moment came when keith davidson was discussing a text conversation he had with the editor and chief of "the national enquirer," dylan howard. quote, what have we done, davidson texted. quote, oh, my god. asked what he meant in this text, keith davidson said it was gal lows humor. there was surprise donald trump was leading in the polls and there was a growing sense that folks were ready to call the election. davidson said there was an understanding between the two of them that, quote, our activities may have in some way assisted the presidential campaign of donald trump. that is where we start the hour with some of our favorite experts. msnbc political analyst tim o'brien is back at the table after being at the courthouse. also state attorney for palm beach counter florida and former top prosecutor at doj, msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann. andrew, i want to come back to you on this point we were talking about in the last hour. the heart of this case is two questions
keith davidson discussed the back and forth he had with michael cohen about the payment. a very telling moment came when keith davidson was discussing a text conversation he had with the editor and chief of "the national enquirer," dylan howard. quote, what have we done, davidson texted. quote, oh, my god. asked what he meant in this text, keith davidson said it was gal lows humor. there was surprise donald trump was leading in the polls and there was a growing sense that folks were...
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keith davidson is already testing fight that he hated dealing with michael cohen, that michael cohen was outrageously aggressive, most important one point, keith davidson says to michael cohen's face, i don't believe a word you say to me. so prosecutors are going to really focus in on that. the second thing i think they're going to try to get across is this is all just a bunch of lying liars leinz, to each other about sex. and that came through with mega tail end of davidson's testimony, where he's trying to say, well, it was i wouldn't say it's a hush money payment, but it was a payment for her to stay quiet. and while i wouldn't say it was a fair because they didn't have romantic feelings. i mean, this is nonsense. all of them are lying to each other. they're lying to the public and they want the jury to just say, who can sort all this out. this is just scoundrels. they're all lying to each other. and just wash their hands if there's one of the exact quotes to get at the parsing that keith davidson was in how is it true to say that stormy daniels and donald trump didn't have a rela
keith davidson is already testing fight that he hated dealing with michael cohen, that michael cohen was outrageously aggressive, most important one point, keith davidson says to michael cohen's face, i don't believe a word you say to me. so prosecutors are going to really focus in on that. the second thing i think they're going to try to get across is this is all just a bunch of lying liars leinz, to each other about sex. and that came through with mega tail end of davidson's testimony, where...
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why is it keith davidson did not trust michael cohen. he felt as if michael cohen was not telling him the truth, and then michael cohen will take the stand as the key witness for the prosecution here. right now though, of course, they're homing in on combing through many of those emails that were exchanged days leading up to the november 2016 election, ana. >> thank you. so tristan, what do you think the prosecution is trying to accomplish with davidson's testimony? >> i think the key there is to show that it's the purpose of all of this. i think that's what they're really leading up toward here. why were they doing this? and the delay is a tell. it gives us a hint as to exactly what team trump was going after here. they were trying to delay the payment until after the election because after that it wasn't really relevant, win or lose. the whole point was to keep this out of the public eye before the election. if he lost the election, we don't know what he would have done next. he might have just decided he wasn't going to run for anythi
why is it keith davidson did not trust michael cohen. he felt as if michael cohen was not telling him the truth, and then michael cohen will take the stand as the key witness for the prosecution here. right now though, of course, they're homing in on combing through many of those emails that were exchanged days leading up to the november 2016 election, ana. >> thank you. so tristan, what do you think the prosecution is trying to accomplish with davidson's testimony? >> i think the...
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reporter: michael keith, bloomberg. the vice chair of the fomc said he is willing to consider the idea of the potential growth has moved up. you share that view, and with that implied that may be policy is not tight enough? chair powell: so i think i would take that question this way. we saw a year of very high productivity growth in 2023, and we sought negative productivity growth in 2022, so i think it is hard to draw from the data. there are two questions. one is will productivity run consistently above its longer-term trend? i do not think we know that. in terms of potential output, that is a separate question. we have had what amounts to a significant increase in the potential output of the economy that is not about productivity. it was about having more labor about the -- both for participation enter immigration. we are getting our arms around what that means for potential output this year and next year and last year, so in that case i think you really do have a significant increase in potential output, but you've
reporter: michael keith, bloomberg. the vice chair of the fomc said he is willing to consider the idea of the potential growth has moved up. you share that view, and with that implied that may be policy is not tight enough? chair powell: so i think i would take that question this way. we saw a year of very high productivity growth in 2023, and we sought negative productivity growth in 2022, so i think it is hard to draw from the data. there are two questions. one is will productivity run...
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>> reporter: they're talking about exchanges between keith davidson, michael cohen. this timeline is important. it was august of 2018 in which michael cohen pled guilty and then subsequently alleged that donald trump directed him to make the payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal which set everything really in motion in the investigations put into place by the manhattan d.a. here. and let me read for you some of the back and forth we got from the courtroom when it came to this testimony from keith davidson starting with this. in january of 2018, this is michael cohen saying i have her scheduled, call me after the trial. this is michael cohen saying this to keith davidson and steinglass said, the attorney for the people, your client appeared on hannity? and davidson said, yes, but she is did not appear on hannity. this is davidson to cohen, this is michael cohen's pants on fire stages, trying to frantically address stormy's story being public. he was frantic. this is a text from michael cohen to keith davidson, the wise men all believe the story is dying and do
>> reporter: they're talking about exchanges between keith davidson, michael cohen. this timeline is important. it was august of 2018 in which michael cohen pled guilty and then subsequently alleged that donald trump directed him to make the payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal which set everything really in motion in the investigations put into place by the manhattan d.a. here. and let me read for you some of the back and forth we got from the courtroom when it came to this...
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in the grand scheme of things, witnesses like michael cohen and keith davidson aren't all that bad in the spectrum of cooperating witnesses. these are often people who are hardened criminals who may be brought into court in shackles and prison gear. you don't have that with michael cohen or keith davidson, but the people know that these are problematic witnesses because they seem seedy. michael cohen seems impulsive, rude, and possibly even somebody who makes bad decisions all on his own. the people know this, so they're getting out in front of it. they're doing the right thing, what you should always do with cooperators, what i'm sure paul butler did many times is you get in front of the problem. you bring it out in your direct examination that these people are problematic. the people know that davidson's going to say these bad things about cohen. they know because they're asking the questions about cohen, and it's good for the people to get this out in the open instead of letting the defense expose it and the people look like they've been hiding this the whole time. >> all right, pa
in the grand scheme of things, witnesses like michael cohen and keith davidson aren't all that bad in the spectrum of cooperating witnesses. these are often people who are hardened criminals who may be brought into court in shackles and prison gear. you don't have that with michael cohen or keith davidson, but the people know that these are problematic witnesses because they seem seedy. michael cohen seems impulsive, rude, and possibly even somebody who makes bad decisions all on his own. the...
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this is a phone call between michael cohen and keith davidson, something that was played a couple of weeks ago at the beginning of the trial, i believe when keith davidson was on the stand. this is michael cohen regretting, he says, everything that he did for donald trump regarding stormy daniels. cohen says, what would you do if you were me, davidson says i can't even imagine. cohen says would you write a book, break away from the entire trump doctrine, would you go completely rogue, join with bannon, any thoughts. it's not just me being affected. no one is thinking about michael. i wasn't going to be penny wise, pound foolish. i was sitting there thinking to myself, what about me, what about me, i hate the fact that we did it. is that accurate. michael cohen says yes. hoffinger asks what did you mean by i can't tell you how many times he said i hate the fact that we did it. cohen says, i was referring to the payment to keith davidson that i made on behalf of mr. trump for stormy daniels. hoffinger says, who was the he, cohen says mr. trump. hoffinger, were you still being paid by m
this is a phone call between michael cohen and keith davidson, something that was played a couple of weeks ago at the beginning of the trial, i believe when keith davidson was on the stand. this is michael cohen regretting, he says, everything that he did for donald trump regarding stormy daniels. cohen says, what would you do if you were me, davidson says i can't even imagine. cohen says would you write a book, break away from the entire trump doctrine, would you go completely rogue, join with...
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they introduce another exhibit, the e-mail to michael cohen from keith davidson. i confirm that i will work in good faith and no funds shall be -- it's only after you received the fedex will i disburse, fair. e-mail to cohen from keith davidson, i wanted to make sure i received the agreement. did you receive the final nda. cohen, i did. hoffinger, did you let mr. trump know when you received it. the task was finished, accomplished and done. and also taking credit for myself so he knew i had done it. that was important. >> michael cohen was always looking for a pat on the back, pat on the head, if you will, from donald trump. he wanted to make him happy. he was very much like a puppy dog. look what i have done for you. i've done a good job. see me, thank me for this. for him to say i made this payment, i made this bad thing go away, i think it's plausible, knowing michael cohen that he would go directly to donald trump and tell him, hey, listen, i did a good thing. i helped you here. >> i think this corroborates a key piece of the story that we haven't heard yet, w
they introduce another exhibit, the e-mail to michael cohen from keith davidson. i confirm that i will work in good faith and no funds shall be -- it's only after you received the fedex will i disburse, fair. e-mail to cohen from keith davidson, i wanted to make sure i received the agreement. did you receive the final nda. cohen, i did. hoffinger, did you let mr. trump know when you received it. the task was finished, accomplished and done. and also taking credit for myself so he knew i had...
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stormy daniels, which keith davidson, he did not say at stormy daniels but keith davidson testified that he understood it to be a reference to the payment that michael cohen made to daniels. even there, there is this idea that there was an understanding between michael cohen and trump that michael cohen would be reimbursed. we had all of these different moments that it was showing that trump had knowledge of the hush money deals and specifically the hush money deal with stormy daniels, which is what forms the core aspect of these charges. >> also, wealthy donors who want positions don't take out home equity lines of credit. i do want to ask you, duncan, at the outset of this trial, i think there is some skepticism of whether the da office could point to evidence that suggested the campaign was central to all of this. they keep producing pieces of evidence that seem irrefutable. one that stuck out to me is the text between keith davidson and dylan howard, who is "the national enquirer" . the night donald trump wins, what have we done, oh my god. >> it was obvious to everyone involved
stormy daniels, which keith davidson, he did not say at stormy daniels but keith davidson testified that he understood it to be a reference to the payment that michael cohen made to daniels. even there, there is this idea that there was an understanding between michael cohen and trump that michael cohen would be reimbursed. we had all of these different moments that it was showing that trump had knowledge of the hush money deals and specifically the hush money deal with stormy daniels, which is...
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and also in that conversation keith davidson testified there was a comment michael cohen said i'm not being reimbursed for this payment i made to stormy daniels. keith davidson he did not face stormy daniels, but he testified he understood it to be a reference to the payment that cohen made to daniels and so even there there is this idea there was an understanding between cohenwa and trump that cohen would be reimbursed, and so we had all of these different moments today in which it was showing that trump had knowledge of the hush money deals and specifically the hush money deal with t stormy daniels, which wh forms the kind of poor aspect of these charges. >> yeah, and also wemgty donors who wanto positions in the nex administration done take out home equity lines of credit. they're usually independently wealthy if they're going to make campaign donations. i do want to ask you, duncan, at the outset of this trial i think there was some skepticism whether the d.a.'s office could meaningfully point to evidence whether the d.a.'s office was central to all this. one that stood out to me
and also in that conversation keith davidson testified there was a comment michael cohen said i'm not being reimbursed for this payment i made to stormy daniels. keith davidson he did not face stormy daniels, but he testified he understood it to be a reference to the payment that cohen made to daniels and so even there there is this idea there was an understanding between cohenwa and trump that cohen would be reimbursed, and so we had all of these different moments today in which it was showing...
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what we watched happen today initially was the prosecution laying down text messages between michael cohen and keith davidson practically sealing the steel working on this agreement they were putting together for stormy daniels. then all of this back and forth over whether or not she would appear first on hannity which she did not do end with jimmy kimmel and a lot of friction over that because they had this agreement but it turns out at that point stormie decided she was willing to break that agreement. she wanted to go on and speak and have her piece so all of that kind of laying the groundwork and really one of the interesting things they established on that side of the equation was all of the back and forth between michael cohen and keith davidson who said he never met or interacted with the former president at all, so then what you see now going on with the defense is they are trying to tear down credibility of davidson. they are the ones who brought in all these other sex tapes that he brokered, money exchanged with hulk hogan, he would not get into his transactions for charlie
what we watched happen today initially was the prosecution laying down text messages between michael cohen and keith davidson practically sealing the steel working on this agreement they were putting together for stormy daniels. then all of this back and forth over whether or not she would appear first on hannity which she did not do end with jimmy kimmel and a lot of friction over that because they had this agreement but it turns out at that point stormie decided she was willing to break that...
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at 8:02 p.m., michael cohen's testimony is he called keith schiller. after speaking to keith schiller, keith schiller handed the phone to donald trump and donald trump okayed the stormy daniels payment. todd blanche is fighting the introduction of this photograph or this video as powerfully as he has fought anything in this case. the judge has declared it to be relevant. he said i think it's relevant. he'll consider the other possible objections to it after lunch. the judge will decide after lunch whether this video image gets into this case as an exhibit right now. it will go into this case as an exhibit right now, if it does, with michael cohen on the stand, and this will be a visual confirmation of the possibility at least of what michael cohen is saying is true, is that you could make a call to keith schiller in that situation and he would hand the phone to donald trump. when you see the way todd blanche is fighting this photograph in court, fighting the introduction to letting the jury see it, it's like he's fighting for the basic life of his defe
at 8:02 p.m., michael cohen's testimony is he called keith schiller. after speaking to keith schiller, keith schiller handed the phone to donald trump and donald trump okayed the stormy daniels payment. todd blanche is fighting the introduction of this photograph or this video as powerfully as he has fought anything in this case. the judge has declared it to be relevant. he said i think it's relevant. he'll consider the other possible objections to it after lunch. the judge will decide after...
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there is this negotiation going on with keith davidson and michael cohen to take a stormy daniels of the market, which they end up doing. >> would you say there was a panic inside the national enquirer," about this ? >> the panic was in the campaign. the panic was going on with the campaign and the corporation was asked of dylan howard to help and david pecker to help take this off the market. >> hope hicks broke out in tears. that was really pretty memorable. you were there, hugo. talk about the reaction, the moment in the courtroom when she did that. what did people think, did they think crocodile tears, did they feel sorry for her? did they feel it's just an especially stress or that she feels badly, what was the interpretation of that? >> it wasn't like she burst into tears. it was quite slight. she was testifying in and her voice quivered for a moment and she turned away and she asked for a break and the judge granted. it wasn't again outflowing of tears but she clearly broke down. >> she said she was nervous at the very top. everybody knew that. >> that was telling. when hope h
there is this negotiation going on with keith davidson and michael cohen to take a stormy daniels of the market, which they end up doing. >> would you say there was a panic inside the national enquirer," about this ? >> the panic was in the campaign. the panic was going on with the campaign and the corporation was asked of dylan howard to help and david pecker to help take this off the market. >> hope hicks broke out in tears. that was really pretty memorable. you were...
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the second part is that michael cohen and keith davidson had that conversation in the fall of 2017 before michael cohen himself really went rogue and broke from trump world. to hear michael cohen say in his voice, nobody is worried about me, but i can't tell you how many times he and i talked about the fact he hated wheat to the settlement, and yet everyone around him consistently told him it was the right thing to do. that demonstrates the people within the cone of knowledge might not have just been cohen and david pecker and davidson and trump. potentially others as well. at least by the fall of 2017, even if they didn't know so when realtime. that was the call to me they had the most impact. i am interested to see, as this goes on, whether we will hear further recordings that cohen made on his own and/or that of the participants may have made. the prosecution has said all along, you think this case is about michael cohen, but really, you are going to see a whole lot of evidence that you did not expect. we will show you paper, email, text messages, and recordings. sure enough, that's wh
the second part is that michael cohen and keith davidson had that conversation in the fall of 2017 before michael cohen himself really went rogue and broke from trump world. to hear michael cohen say in his voice, nobody is worried about me, but i can't tell you how many times he and i talked about the fact he hated wheat to the settlement, and yet everyone around him consistently told him it was the right thing to do. that demonstrates the people within the cone of knowledge might not have...
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blanche drawing the courts attention to text messages between michael cohen and keith schiller, donald trump's former bodyguard. and on october 24th, 2016, cohen text schiller about harassing phone calls he was getting from an alleged 14-year-old prankster to which schiller responded, call me. that phone call lasting just 96 seconds. cohen then sends schiller the number of the prankster. on tuesday this week, blanche until the prosecution that purpose of the call was to inform trump of how he planned to make the hush money payment to stormy daniels. todd blanche bluntly telling cohen that was a lie, you did not talk to president trump. cohen responded, i'm not certain that's accurate. so was the call about a 14-year-old prankster, or was it about a pay off? the media is struggling to spin it. >> it was like a crescendo because the drama of the moment was so clear to everybody in the room. >> do you have doubts that that conversation happened the way michael cohen testified on his direct examination? >> absolutely. i think it is devastating for michael cohen's credibility on this, this
blanche drawing the courts attention to text messages between michael cohen and keith schiller, donald trump's former bodyguard. and on october 24th, 2016, cohen text schiller about harassing phone calls he was getting from an alleged 14-year-old prankster to which schiller responded, call me. that phone call lasting just 96 seconds. cohen then sends schiller the number of the prankster. on tuesday this week, blanche until the prosecution that purpose of the call was to inform trump of how he...
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so michael cohen had many alleged complaints in his conversations with keith davidson, including about getting compensated so keith davidson recounts on the stand a conversation that he says he had with michael cohen. this was during the transition davidson's in a department store in december, i guess, of 2020, and he says, quote, he said something to the effect of jesus christ. can you effing believe i'm not going to washington after everything i've done for that i think gae i can't believe i'm not going to washington. i've saved that guy's asieh so many times. you don't even know prosecutor says and did in david's as is and then and then question is, i'm sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you. davidson says and then he made reference to he said, you know, i never even got paid that f-in guy is not even paying me back the $130,000 and then they made clear the hundred $30,000 that they're talking about, what do you mean by that last part? i never got paid, repaid the uh, hundred and $30,000 from the deal with stormy daniel's. so again, we have there is complaining about the money, but a
so michael cohen had many alleged complaints in his conversations with keith davidson, including about getting compensated so keith davidson recounts on the stand a conversation that he says he had with michael cohen. this was during the transition davidson's in a department store in december, i guess, of 2020, and he says, quote, he said something to the effect of jesus christ. can you effing believe i'm not going to washington after everything i've done for that i think gae i can't believe...
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appeared effective, and undermine cohen's credibility about that phone call with keith schiller. i mean, when he testified earlier in the week that call was portrayed as it was called keith schiller to get to trump. there was no mention of this 14-year-old and wanting to talk to keith schiller to trace the number and figure out some way to get back with this person so no, i wasn't surprised and i don't think the jury is going to be persuaded by those kinds of mistakes are making. >> michael cohen, the accused, and everybody having fun calling him a liar on television. this case is about, as i first was introduced to it by the price securities by first-day this case is about documents testimony, and corroboration. michael cohen is a confirming witness donald trump loves to change the subject in his lawyers love to change the subject. they want michael cohen to be the one who's indicted and accused. so let me just remind you what we've seen in evidence so far. i'm not going to speculate or downgraded juries focus on facts. i don't disparage juries, but i'm also not a trial lawyer,
appeared effective, and undermine cohen's credibility about that phone call with keith schiller. i mean, when he testified earlier in the week that call was portrayed as it was called keith schiller to get to trump. there was no mention of this 14-year-old and wanting to talk to keith schiller to trace the number and figure out some way to get back with this person so no, i wasn't surprised and i don't think the jury is going to be persuaded by those kinds of mistakes are making. >>...
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cohen on this. >> michael cohen basically said, i know that keith was with mr. trump at the time and there was more potentially than this. in other words, more potentially than me just talking to keith about the kid. maybe i talked to him him about something else then he said, i always ran everything by the boss immediately. and in this case, it would have been saying everything has been taken care of, its been resolved in any ultimately had too many because based on what was going on, based on the text messages and so on, based on the other text messages about stormy daniels matter, that is how we came to that that he talked to trump about stormy daniel's on this phone call, it was all the other things. blanche challenged cohen to confirm that his trial testimony was based on materials prosecutors showed him in preparation for questioning. >> this was an important moment because then blanche saying, well, wait a minute so you're only testifying to this phone call because prosecutors showed you a call log that had this phone call and you're claiming that that ba
cohen on this. >> michael cohen basically said, i know that keith was with mr. trump at the time and there was more potentially than this. in other words, more potentially than me just talking to keith about the kid. maybe i talked to him him about something else then he said, i always ran everything by the boss immediately. and in this case, it would have been saying everything has been taken care of, its been resolved in any ultimately had too many because based on what was going on,...
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michael cohen and keith schiller, trump's body man as they're talking about what's happening kind of in the background of this karen mcdougal story and how they're going to handle that. some color from the courtroom from our lisa rubin. trump's shoulders are slightly slumped in his chair, his eyes remain closed as cohen explains how he told trump of a story involving karen mcdougal. and trump responded by saying she was really beautiful, which you had mentioned as well, chris. so what do you think is the next move? they're going to have to go through karen mcdougal, right, because chronologically it makes sense. it was the door may, it was karen mcdougal before the stormy daniels came along. how important is the karen mcdougal story? >> i think it's are very important. it shows that pattern of wanting to hide these stories and it also shows, and it sounds like from the testimony they're doing a great job of it, showing trump's knowledge of the stories and his awareness of wanting to shut them down as well as guiding michael cohen to shutting them down, but then also congratulating hi
michael cohen and keith schiller, trump's body man as they're talking about what's happening kind of in the background of this karen mcdougal story and how they're going to handle that. some color from the courtroom from our lisa rubin. trump's shoulders are slightly slumped in his chair, his eyes remain closed as cohen explains how he told trump of a story involving karen mcdougal. and trump responded by saying she was really beautiful, which you had mentioned as well, chris. so what do you...
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cohen text keith schiller, who can i speak to regarding? phone calls to my cell and office. the dope forgot to block one of them so that was at 7:48. this is todd blanche saying this. >> and by the way, the importance of that is he has testified that he was calling keith schiller to get to trump quickly because he had to get approval to move forward in the stormy day. so blanche is walking through here at 8:02 he said call me, i can put it up back again. he's putting the texts up at a11 is when he leaves that voicemail, michael cohen says, yes, blanche says you call it back at 8:02 for one minute and 36 seconds. kaitlan collins with the clock there at eight for you text in the number of the 14 year-old who was prank following you, correct? cohen says i did, yes immediately checks you back within a few seconds. he said, okay, blend in cohen says, yes, sir. blanche says the very next morning at 7:58, you say, did you reach the family? cohen says, yes, sir. blanche says, take it down now, here's the question here when you testified on tuesday
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because the fact that michael cohen had been telling texting keith schiller beforehand. this shows that schiller and trump were together at that time. prosecution wanted to enter this in here. the defense really wanted it out. >> we were hearing a little open from inside the courtroom about trump seeming pretty agitated as this was being worked out. and there was a prospect that they could have to the everyone would have to come back to court with the season span witness to stipulate to this basic question of fact, whether or not the video is what they say that it is. the defense ended up caving here. we wouldn't be talking about this having just been resolved if they didn't just decide to let it go. yeah. finally, they agreed to stipulate it's pretty clear that everybody is getting a little restless for the first time or colleagues are reporting inside and a few we're able to see this. >> but while you were in courted, the jury even getting restless earlier during cross the defendant clearly restless. the judge is aggravated, right. people want to move this along so the
because the fact that michael cohen had been telling texting keith schiller beforehand. this shows that schiller and trump were together at that time. prosecution wanted to enter this in here. the defense really wanted it out. >> we were hearing a little open from inside the courtroom about trump seeming pretty agitated as this was being worked out. and there was a prospect that they could have to the everyone would have to come back to court with the season span witness to stipulate to...
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cohen, keith davidson. >> danny what do you expect michael cohen will testify about? what do you think the jury will focus trying to hear from him and just walk us through what stood out to you today as an attorney physically inside of the courtroom? >> reporter: if you're the jury, for weeks now, you've been getting little bits of shrapnel hitting michael cohen from the mouths of other witnesses testifying. michael cohen has been introduced and it hasn't been flattering. when he takes the stand. what the prosecution is hoping, they introduced enough corroborating evidence in forms of people and documents so that when the defense calls michael cohen a liar, they can point to the corroborating documents, evidence, lessen the blow. that's why we see michael cohen coming near the end of the case. what we saw today, in materials of having stormy daniels yesterday, and michael cohen next week today was comparatively less dramatic. testimony from madeline ended up in my view being kind of a wash. good for trump. good for the prosecution both. points for each. you talk about
cohen, keith davidson. >> danny what do you expect michael cohen will testify about? what do you think the jury will focus trying to hear from him and just walk us through what stood out to you today as an attorney physically inside of the courtroom? >> reporter: if you're the jury, for weeks now, you've been getting little bits of shrapnel hitting michael cohen from the mouths of other witnesses testifying. michael cohen has been introduced and it hasn't been flattering. when he...
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. >> that was a lot of michael cohen and only a tiny bit of keith davidson and that reporting, but davidson said he understood that he referred to trump and we did it referred to the payment to daniels. couldn't be much more clear than that, i think. remember the entire argument for a big part of the argument made by the defenses that trump knew nothing about these payments, that michael cohen went rogue when he paid these women, for what reason no one can explain except trump. it seems to fly in the face of the notion this happened without trump's knowledge, something michael cohen himself will likely attest to when he takes the stand later in the trial. we also expect to hear from others close to trump, including his longtime aide, hope hicks, who was on these calls and could provide amount of evidence in the days ahead. lisa rubin is a legal correspondent in the courthouse today. george conway is an attorney and contributing writer at the atlantic, covering the trump trials. mary mccort has spent 20 years as a federal prosecutor in d.c., where she served as the chief of the criminal divi
. >> that was a lot of michael cohen and only a tiny bit of keith davidson and that reporting, but davidson said he understood that he referred to trump and we did it referred to the payment to daniels. couldn't be much more clear than that, i think. remember the entire argument for a big part of the argument made by the defenses that trump knew nothing about these payments, that michael cohen went rogue when he paid these women, for what reason no one can explain except trump. it seems...
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cohen, but between keith schiller and michael cohen. and michael cohen explains how sometimes he called keith schiller. they talked on speaker and so on. but then you have to think he just check and see what else is out there between nice to people. they definitely should have kotb. it was a mistake or at okay. i'm ready. thank you for waiting your turn. now, recoverable for the prosecution can i stop there? >> do you want me to keep going? >> you can elaborate elaborate thank you michael cohen had one job to do and that was to put donald trump in the room and to have donald trump part of the conversation concerning than making a false entries in the books and records of the trump organization in order to influence the election, false entries of the misdemeanor elevated to a felony because it's in furtherance of another crime, which is election in election interference, election fraud had one job to do and he couldn't do it on something. so simple. >> tell us about a conversation and the worst part of it is on direct. >> he sounded so c
cohen, but between keith schiller and michael cohen. and michael cohen explains how sometimes he called keith schiller. they talked on speaker and so on. but then you have to think he just check and see what else is out there between nice to people. they definitely should have kotb. it was a mistake or at okay. i'm ready. thank you for waiting your turn. now, recoverable for the prosecution can i stop there? >> do you want me to keep going? >> you can elaborate elaborate thank you...
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david pecker, keith davidson, and eventually michael cohen and maybe stormy daniels. by calling a witness like hope hicks, you tie all that together so that even if you take a witness like david pecker or michael cohen on cross-examination and say, liar, liar, your pants are on fire, it becomes increasingly harder to cast doubt on the credibility or believability of their statements if they line up with another credible witness, or even worse for the defense, a very credible document. of course, that's probably why you see the defense fighting so hard on the authentication of documents, social media posts, things like that. when the case is in, when the prosecution's case is in, ideally, they will have lined up all of this testimony, credible testimony to shore up the holes in the possibly incredible testimony of some witnesses with shakier backgrounds. that's exactly what a hope hicks does. it's why i have said, she may quietly and loudly be one of the most important witnesses. i say loudly, because people know her name. she's a character in trump world. quietly, she
david pecker, keith davidson, and eventually michael cohen and maybe stormy daniels. by calling a witness like hope hicks, you tie all that together so that even if you take a witness like david pecker or michael cohen on cross-examination and say, liar, liar, your pants are on fire, it becomes increasingly harder to cast doubt on the credibility or believability of their statements if they line up with another credible witness, or even worse for the defense, a very credible document. of...
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you cannot convict president trump on the words of michael cohen, keith schiller, dylan howard, allen weisselberg are not here in this trial. michael cohen was the witness they called and the words michael cohen said on the stand matter, they matter. he took an oath and swore to tell you the truth and he told you a number of things on the stand that were lies. pure and simple. again, he has mentioned, guys, michael cohen's name several times so far. expect to be a huge part, obviously, both his name, along with stormy daniels' testimony, a huge part of these closing arguments today. and i am not surprised, this is something we anticipated as well, that he has brought up and i imagine he'll bring this up again, the absence of some major figures that we did not hear from, allen weisselberg specifically, keith schiller as well. >> yasmin, fascinating to go back into the courtroom where blanche continues his statement today. let me just take you in there for just a second, because blanche is just now saying there is no dispute, that in 2017, again, establishing, according to blanche, that
you cannot convict president trump on the words of michael cohen, keith schiller, dylan howard, allen weisselberg are not here in this trial. michael cohen was the witness they called and the words michael cohen said on the stand matter, they matter. he took an oath and swore to tell you the truth and he told you a number of things on the stand that were lies. pure and simple. again, he has mentioned, guys, michael cohen's name several times so far. expect to be a huge part, obviously, both his...
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phone call between michael cohen's phone and his bodyguard, keith schiller's, phone. here is how that testimony went on monday with assistant district attorney susan hoffinger about that phone call. question. let's take a look at the call on october 24 at 8:02 p.m. do you see that call? answer, yes, ma'am. question. was it 8:02 p.m.? answer. yes. question. do you know why you were reaching out to mr. schiller in the evening? >> yes. question. why? because i needed to speak to mister trump and i knew that keith, keith schiller was with him. question. why did you need to speak with mister trump? answer. to discuss the stormy daniels matter and the resolution of it. and did you have an understanding about whether during that conversation resolved that, you are moving forward to fund the deal? answer, yes. that was then under direct examination. today todd blanche revealed some text by michael cohen about an hour before his call to keith schiller's phone. those were to and from a phone number that had been making harassing phone calls to michael cohen and the person sendi
phone call between michael cohen's phone and his bodyguard, keith schiller's, phone. here is how that testimony went on monday with assistant district attorney susan hoffinger about that phone call. question. let's take a look at the call on october 24 at 8:02 p.m. do you see that call? answer, yes, ma'am. question. was it 8:02 p.m.? answer. yes. question. do you know why you were reaching out to mr. schiller in the evening? >> yes. question. why? because i needed to speak to mister trump...
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cohen place to keith schiller to say michael cohen, in no uncertain terms, lied to you. it was the most dramatic thing he got today, the most dramatic moment of his cross- examination, as well, and i thought josh steinglass was absolutely masterful and how he dealt with this. on the one hand, it says it doesn't really matter if they had this: the 24th or not because michael cohen remembers the substance of many conversations he had with donald trump but then what he does is he imagine how that october 24th conversation went. he did it as if it were totally impromptu. it took a total of 49 seconds. lawrence, if you don't mind, i'd like to read it, if i can. >> i thought it was one of the great moments because i didn't see this coming. what i did know is 90 seconds is a long time. that was my first reaction to 90 seconds but then i when i thought about how much can be said in 90 seconds, he could've done everything in 90 seconds and then steinglass proved it. >> steinglass proved it and i want to tell you also, michael collins lawyer predicted on our air after michael test
cohen place to keith schiller to say michael cohen, in no uncertain terms, lied to you. it was the most dramatic thing he got today, the most dramatic moment of his cross- examination, as well, and i thought josh steinglass was absolutely masterful and how he dealt with this. on the one hand, it says it doesn't really matter if they had this: the 24th or not because michael cohen remembers the substance of many conversations he had with donald trump but then what he does is he imagine how that...
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cohen and keith davidson. the prosecution is admitting this on their redirect of michael cohen. on this call apparently it says -- or it sounds like cohen says, quote, what would you do if you were with me. would you write a book, break away from the entire trump do doctorine, go completely rogue? it's not just being that's affected, it's my entire family. nobody is thinking about michael. who else would do that? i did because i care about the guy, and i wasn't going to play pennywise foolish, and i'm thinking what about me. he said, i hate the fact that we did it. so in all this, cohen is saying he is referring to the payment to davidson made on behalf of trump for that stormy daniels nondisclosure agreement. cohen says that the person who, quote, hates the fact that we did it was trump. so all of this is the prosecution's attempt to push back on the narrative that trump did not know about this nondisclosure agreement with stormy daniels. that information now coming in on redirect. one other thing i want to m
cohen and keith davidson. the prosecution is admitting this on their redirect of michael cohen. on this call apparently it says -- or it sounds like cohen says, quote, what would you do if you were with me. would you write a book, break away from the entire trump do doctorine, go completely rogue? it's not just being that's affected, it's my entire family. nobody is thinking about michael. who else would do that? i did because i care about the guy, and i wasn't going to play pennywise foolish,...
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we've seen the emails from michael cohen to keith davidson say that was the de used transferring the money. and of course we know subsequently paid it to keith davidson to pay stormy daniels. >> i think it's also now that i've had time to reflect, i think in that moment, todd blanche was also trying to call into question cohen's memory how is it that you so clearly remember conversations you had with trump on that day, but not other conversations related to media appearances? in hindsight, i think that was the point he was trying to make. but again, if it took me an hour to figure that out on glare of the jury figured it out on the spot, and you're the juror sitting there taking notes moving along with the tail, i'm just curious both sides seem to have left so much for the closing arguments. >> i can remember a case that i've covered where yes, they go through direct and cross and if they get the evidence out there, but literally the main point they're going to make isn't introduced until the closing argument till the very end. >> they both have a lot of work to do. >> and right now
we've seen the emails from michael cohen to keith davidson say that was the de used transferring the money. and of course we know subsequently paid it to keith davidson to pay stormy daniels. >> i think it's also now that i've had time to reflect, i think in that moment, todd blanche was also trying to call into question cohen's memory how is it that you so clearly remember conversations you had with trump on that day, but not other conversations related to media appearances? in...
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the call was preceded by text messages between michael cohen and keith schiller about a girl who been harassing him. right before the call, keith schiller texted back call me. there's a 92nd phone call. i thought the defense did a good job of cross-examining michael cohen on that point. showing, you didn't really talk about stormy daniels during the phone call. it was about this girl who'd been harassing you. it's not just positive but it was a good moment for them to show michael cohen was lying on the stand. >> you don't mean it's positive but it's a slam dunk, it's bad. i'm curious if you could elaborate. we are watching this but not everyone is in the courtroom. have there been a follow-up text that said, glad i could connect you to the boss, have there anything supporting his version? managing to find something where they said, let's call and have a talk about this. this unrelated harassment issue and then you had a short call about that. that's the end of it. we are to believe that you got on and off with the president as well as a candidate. >> they are called to use common sen
the call was preceded by text messages between michael cohen and keith schiller about a girl who been harassing him. right before the call, keith schiller texted back call me. there's a 92nd phone call. i thought the defense did a good job of cross-examining michael cohen on that point. showing, you didn't really talk about stormy daniels during the phone call. it was about this girl who'd been harassing you. it's not just positive but it was a good moment for them to show michael cohen was...
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michael cohen's phone and donald trump bodyguard, keith schiller's phone. here is how the testimony went on monday, with assistant district attorney hoffman juror about the phone call. "let's take a look at the call between mr. schiller and michael cohen on october 24th at 8:02 p.m. do you see that call? the mac yes, ma'am. >> was it 8:02 p.m.? >> yes. >> you called mr. schiller, or did he call you?'s the mac i called mr. schiller. the mac do you know why you are reaching out to mr. schiller? >> yes. >> why? >> i needed to speak to mr. trump and i knew that he is, keith schiller was with him. >> why did you need to speak with mr. trump at that point in the evening of october 24th? >> to discuss the stormy daniels matter and the resolution of a question. >> did you have an understanding about whether that conversation you resolved that, you are moving forward to fund the deal?'s >> yes." >> that was then, on direct examination. today, todd blanche revealed text messages from michael cohen , an hour before his call to keith schiller. those were from a phone n
michael cohen's phone and donald trump bodyguard, keith schiller's phone. here is how the testimony went on monday, with assistant district attorney hoffman juror about the phone call. "let's take a look at the call between mr. schiller and michael cohen on october 24th at 8:02 p.m. do you see that call? the mac yes, ma'am. >> was it 8:02 p.m.? >> yes. >> you called mr. schiller, or did he call you?'s the mac i called mr. schiller. the mac do you know why you are reaching...
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the money was wired to me from keith davidson. michael cohen wired that money to keith davidson. daniels says, that's what i understand, but i have no proof. >> from that then she said, nothing further. your thoughts on that? this specific issue to finish the cross with? >> any time you are leaving the jury something, you want it to be impactful. that's exactly -- they are showing us where they are going next, draw a story between stormy daniels and michael cohen. that's some part of the theory here. that's why they ended there. i think if i'm the defense, i'm trying to put as many steps in between donald trump and any of these individuals. i think that's what they want to show. you talked about the money, the documents. how this money got to you, it wasn't the former president. it's michael cohen. eventually, they will say, you can't believe that guy michael cohen. that's what we are seeing. building the foundation for the future argument. >> there's a sidebar is our understanding. then there would be redirect after this, right? where do you go with redirect if you are the prose
the money was wired to me from keith davidson. michael cohen wired that money to keith davidson. daniels says, that's what i understand, but i have no proof. >> from that then she said, nothing further. your thoughts on that? this specific issue to finish the cross with? >> any time you are leaving the jury something, you want it to be impactful. that's exactly -- they are showing us where they are going next, draw a story between stormy daniels and michael cohen. that's some part...
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michael cohen identified that phone call as a call he made to keith schiller, who is always, as many people know, standing right beside donald trump in those days, and he made the point, which a lot of people can confirm that he used to call keith schiller when he wanted to talk to donald trump so that keith schiller could hand the phone to donald trump. the other day, that went in smoothlessly and -- smoothly and seamlessly, talked only to donald trump, only about stormy daniels saying we got to make the deal now. it's time to make the deal. this is october 2016, and that's how that phone call went in. well, todd blanche really, really went at that phone call and did some real damage to michael cohen's credibility about that actual phone call. he pointed out there were some text messages that preceded that that michael cohen was involved in that included his problems with a harassing phone caller who he discovered to be 14 years old. he texted keith schiller about that harassing phone caller, and what could be done about it. and he texted keith schiller right before the 8:02 phone c
michael cohen identified that phone call as a call he made to keith schiller, who is always, as many people know, standing right beside donald trump in those days, and he made the point, which a lot of people can confirm that he used to call keith schiller when he wanted to talk to donald trump so that keith schiller could hand the phone to donald trump. the other day, that went in smoothlessly and -- smoothly and seamlessly, talked only to donald trump, only about stormy daniels saying we got...
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also, the trial transcript, including more and the testimony keith davidson about michael cohen and his recollection back in 2018 of his first first encounter with them also tonight, tension growing at columbia university. there's a video we've just gotten what it looks like right now on campus, outside hamilton hall, which is the bill holding, there has been occupied by protesters, photos, seem to form day barricade of sorts with themselves, with hundreds of nypd officers just steps away, poised. it seems to take action. we will be covering all of it in the hours ahead. we'll be right back. >> bring into savings this moving season with pod. save up to 25%. now i'm moving in storage in cli pods. it's been trusted get over 6 million move, but don't wait, save up to 25% now, oh, visited pot.com today. >> but this is carbonic and this is how you can sell us your car. visit carbonic. answer a few questions, will give you a real offer, then set a time for us to pick it up m pay you on the side, they'll your car the easy way with carmona general, there's no t in skechers what he told to use a
also, the trial transcript, including more and the testimony keith davidson about michael cohen and his recollection back in 2018 of his first first encounter with them also tonight, tension growing at columbia university. there's a video we've just gotten what it looks like right now on campus, outside hamilton hall, which is the bill holding, there has been occupied by protesters, photos, seem to form day barricade of sorts with themselves, with hundreds of nypd officers just steps away,...
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on a night when michael cohen says he called keith schiller's cell phone at 8:02 p.m. to have keith schiller pass his phone to donald trump, because he knew they were together like that. he is his bodyguard and they are always together. so that he could have that conversation which lasted a minute and a half according to the cell phone records, getting the okay from donald trump on the stormy daniels payment. not the only okay he got, but one of them. keith schiller could have come into the courtroom and said i never got that phone call, i never handed the phone to donald trump. there are so many things keith schiller could've testified to. he could've come in the courtroom and said stormy daniels is lying. i didn't bring her to donald trump's hotel room. i didn't stand outside his hotel room while stormy was in there with donald, that is a complete lie. but keith schiller who is very much under the control of this defense was not called into that courtroom. >> absolutely and todd blanche placed such a bet on the keith schiller conversation with michael cohen. everyone
on a night when michael cohen says he called keith schiller's cell phone at 8:02 p.m. to have keith schiller pass his phone to donald trump, because he knew they were together like that. he is his bodyguard and they are always together. so that he could have that conversation which lasted a minute and a half according to the cell phone records, getting the okay from donald trump on the stormy daniels payment. not the only okay he got, but one of them. keith schiller could have come into the...