zelizer, presidential historians to put it in perspective of what decades from now, we're going to look back at these major moments in history. when you heard, as you've watched the trial, if you've watched all of the dynamics, julien from the conviction to donald trump's initial reaction. and maybe even more specifically, react the broader reactions swiftly after the verdict. what stood out most to what stands out? must you. well, the impact of hearing guilty, i think was significant for everyone. >> it was the first measure of accountability for the former president, but it's also been notable how quickly republicans are supporting him. they are lining up faster than kids at an ice cream truck to say that they stand by him and did discredit the legal system. and i think that is a signal of how this might play out politically within the republican party. >> and went on any, and any question that they're guilty verdicts would be a breaking point is shifting point, whatever a turning point for the direction of the republic blinken party long term, correct. i mean, i think the legal decis