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those are the words that michael cohen said to davidson according to davidson, when cohen was in davidson view and all in an all out frenzy to try to keep the stormy daniels story quiet. the prosecution has finished its direct examination of this attorney, keith davidson, and trump's team is going to begin their cross-examination after this brief break that they're in right now, i want to review what happened while we were covering other things in a second, but before i do, let's turn to our legal experts. it's and see what they anticipate. trump's lawyers, the defense team will try to do when they have keith davidson on the stamp. so two things. first of all, the donald trump's lawyers are going to use keith davidson to attack michael cohen. and that's already started to happen in the direct examination. keith davidson is already testing fight that he hated dealing with michael cohen, that michael cohen was outrageously aggressive, most important one point, keith davidson says to michael cohen's face, i don't believe a word you say to me. so prosecutors are going to really focus in on th
those are the words that michael cohen said to davidson according to davidson, when cohen was in davidson view and all in an all out frenzy to try to keep the stormy daniels story quiet. the prosecution has finished its direct examination of this attorney, keith davidson, and trump's team is going to begin their cross-examination after this brief break that they're in right now, i want to review what happened while we were covering other things in a second, but before i do, let's turn to our...
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davidson said, true. they used davidson to admit when he was retained by stormy daniels in 2011 to help take down this blog post on the dirty.com, that retention was not reduced to writing and there was nothing wrong with that. lisa is saying, expect them to come back to that in closing to highlight that the absence of an agreement, a retainer agreement between cohen and donald trump is not in and of itself proof of anything and that trump was paying cohen for legal services. if you remember, there was no retainer agreement between donald trump and michael cohen, which is central to this indictment that was levelled by the manhattan d.a. and central to the trial in this case now and will likely come up. davidson admitted there was no retainer as well between davidson and stormy daniels when she became one of his clients. >> meanwhile, the prosecution is building a time line. it's calling witnesses in chronological order. will they way to call in cohen and daniels? >> you know, the big question that yasmin
davidson said, true. they used davidson to admit when he was retained by stormy daniels in 2011 to help take down this blog post on the dirty.com, that retention was not reduced to writing and there was nothing wrong with that. lisa is saying, expect them to come back to that in closing to highlight that the absence of an agreement, a retainer agreement between cohen and donald trump is not in and of itself proof of anything and that trump was paying cohen for legal services. if you remember,...
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it's been keith davidson on the stand, right? but the focus keeps coming back again and again and again to michael cohen a thousand times. he's been name checked in this trial. a lot of what we heard hasn't been flattering, but is that actually part of the state's strategy here? >> here's the thing, cooperating witnesses or people like michael cohen who is cooperating witness-esque, they always have problems. in the grand scheme of things, witnesses like michael cohen and keith davidson aren't all that bad in the spectrum of cooperating witnesses. these are often people who are hardened criminals who may be brought into court in shackles and prison gear. you don't have that with michael cohen or keith davidson, but the people know that these are problematic witnesses because they seem seedy. michael cohen seems impulsive, rude, and possibly even somebody who makes bad decisions all on his own. the people know this, so they're getting out in front of it. they're doing the right thing, what you should always do with cooperators, wh
it's been keith davidson on the stand, right? but the focus keeps coming back again and again and again to michael cohen a thousand times. he's been name checked in this trial. a lot of what we heard hasn't been flattering, but is that actually part of the state's strategy here? >> here's the thing, cooperating witnesses or people like michael cohen who is cooperating witness-esque, they always have problems. in the grand scheme of things, witnesses like michael cohen and keith davidson...
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so i understand your point, but if it's davidson saying it is it davidson saying i proceed? iv that the election is kind of the dangling sort of damocles that i have here, as opposed to the motive needing to come from the other side? >> yes, absolutely. and i think that's the best explanation for why is the defense in fact raising this? they're trying to say it in davidson's head. this is the guy who extorts people he was using the election to extort people in his mind. he's focused on the election as a leverage point, but donald trump is not. you don't have any evidence that says donald trump was thinking about the election donald trump's thinking about his wife and his family, that's the defense's argument. and that's why maybe they're introducing it as that's that explains the timing because the jury might think why is this all happening in the late october of 2016 has got to do with the election? yes. but as davidson is thinking about the election so that was a we here, we see the transcript. >> there was a conversation played today. >> the actual audio of a conversation
so i understand your point, but if it's davidson saying it is it davidson saying i proceed? iv that the election is kind of the dangling sort of damocles that i have here, as opposed to the motive needing to come from the other side? >> yes, absolutely. and i think that's the best explanation for why is the defense in fact raising this? they're trying to say it in davidson's head. this is the guy who extorts people he was using the election to extort people in his mind. he's focused on...
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and this is a text from davidson to michael cohen. "wall street journal" called stormy, she didn't answer, they say they're running the story and have a deadline of tonight for her to comment. a strong denial comment for her like you did before. and steinglass asks, a denial of what. and davidson saying, everything, steinglass goes on to say, did you send a denial to stormy to sign? davidson says, i don't recall. that is what they're talking about now. there is also the issue that they went over a little bit earlier, when it came to the agreement made between the shell company, michael cohen, dylan howard, who is acting as the mediator because it seems as if keith davidson didn't have trust in michael cohen at the time and stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and the money that was eventually paid off. and david dennison, who is the pseudonym name used for donald trump, they talked about who actually signed, jose this agreement, and they honed in on whether or not david dennison signed this agreement, the pseudonym for donald trump, in w
and this is a text from davidson to michael cohen. "wall street journal" called stormy, she didn't answer, they say they're running the story and have a deadline of tonight for her to comment. a strong denial comment for her like you did before. and steinglass asks, a denial of what. and davidson saying, everything, steinglass goes on to say, did you send a denial to stormy to sign? davidson says, i don't recall. that is what they're talking about now. there is also the issue that...
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davidson? i also think it's worth noting that trump was paying very close attention to this part of the testimony when davidson finished in the morning with the direct trump, did his zoning out where he had his eyes closed, you know, whether you're sleeping or not with who's to say there he turned in his chair. he was watching this closely throughout the hour before lunch so in the cross, if paul the defense, did try to discredit davidson, so they they they talked about other celebrity cases where he would go to them and say, oh, if you don't give me money, charlie sheen, whole cogen t tequila. >> they used the word extortion are these the kinds of things that could discredit a witness? >> under the jury with what's at stake here. these are the things i can describe a witness. >> the fact that he pauses at times the time that he was deliberate in his in his answers, the fact that his demeanor during direct examination is different than cross. all those things are important, but i would've liked
davidson? i also think it's worth noting that trump was paying very close attention to this part of the testimony when davidson finished in the morning with the direct trump, did his zoning out where he had his eyes closed, you know, whether you're sleeping or not with who's to say there he turned in his chair. he was watching this closely throughout the hour before lunch so in the cross, if paul the defense, did try to discredit davidson, so they they they talked about other celebrity cases...
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and i think that yes the jury was paying attention to davidson. yes, they don't know the ins and outs of being a lawyer, but when they got to that part about the questions about the salacious tapes, the questions about whether or not he had had his bar license at some point suspended while they were doing an investigation. there were a lot of questions there that the jury was clear really paying attention to. they are riveted on and they were doing their job. the defense in terms of what they believe they're number one strategy is painting. michael cohen is this kind of liar and someone who operates in these circles i look, there is a yuck factor to all of this you hear this laid out, but i just think that part of the testimony where they talk about all these different celebrity payoffs was ineffective normalizing it in other words, what the defense gets out of that was yet donald trump did this, but so did this actor and this celebrity and this one. >> and some of them, or at least reported allegedly paid 1 million for this kind of hush money, ri
and i think that yes the jury was paying attention to davidson. yes, they don't know the ins and outs of being a lawyer, but when they got to that part about the questions about the salacious tapes, the questions about whether or not he had had his bar license at some point suspended while they were doing an investigation. there were a lot of questions there that the jury was clear really paying attention to. they are riveted on and they were doing their job. the defense in terms of what they...
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davidson testified that was a reference to the payment for daniels. trump lawyers meanwhile tried to paint davidson is a serial extortionist of celebrities. citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan. and that he did the same with trump. >> they are doing a good job at showing sort of this cd, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in, by all accounts, this is what this man does for a living. it is bread-and-butter. >> reporter: and today, trump falsely claimed that he is not able to testify due to the gag order. that's not true. he is able to testify. the gag order just prohibits him
davidson testified that was a reference to the payment for daniels. trump lawyers meanwhile tried to paint davidson is a serial extortionist of celebrities. citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan. and that he did the same with trump. >> they are doing a good job at showing sort of this cd, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in, by all accounts, this is what this man does for a living. it is bread-and-butter. >> reporter:...
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davidson. but i think biggest thing that the defense has achieved right now is raising the question perhaps in the minds of the jurors, was this an attempt to extort him ffairs bribery, prostitution. >> why do we keep ending up you can't write this stuff united states of scandal with jake tapper when 800 followers for mom with month when did i call the filter? >> when i saw my gutters ever spelling on my porch, we filter is a permanent gutter solution s the industrial great products you need call clicker stuff on granger for the ones who get it done how solomon in new york welcome back to cnn's special coverage of the criminal trial of former president donald trump where the judge juan merchan is now weighing if donald trump further violated the gag order in that trial this morning, new york prosecutors argued the former president broke the order which directs he cannot speak publicly about the jury or witnesses in the case prosecutors presented these remarks from trump and what are they going
davidson. but i think biggest thing that the defense has achieved right now is raising the question perhaps in the minds of the jurors, was this an attempt to extort him ffairs bribery, prostitution. >> why do we keep ending up you can't write this stuff united states of scandal with jake tapper when 800 followers for mom with month when did i call the filter? >> when i saw my gutters ever spelling on my porch, we filter is a permanent gutter solution s the industrial great products...
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davidson says, i believe so. the prosecutor s and why did you say that? davidson says? because i understood that he did prosecutor based on the same statement that he made at the time of the transaction question, mark davidson it says an even later on that december 9th conversation that i had with him at the department store where he said he had not been reimbursed. just so you know, in that conversation, davidson said, quote, that f-in guy is not even paying be the $130,000 back. so you can see here he wants again is saying it was specifically from cohen in one other bit. i want to read you that just came out now, they just released the second part of the transcript from the de in this gets to what you were both saying, jeffrey, especially about the theory of their offense that in a way trump was being extorted to pay this money. this is an exchange about leverage, ml beauvais the defense attorney in this case, asks davidson that was ms daniels goal, was it not to create leverage over president trump? now, keith davidson initially says no. then later a meal beauvais sa
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davidson, how would you characterize the truthfulness of this statement davidson? >> i think it's technically true question from steinglass, how do you explain that? can you explain that? can you explain how it's true that it says an alleged sexual relationship which basically denies them having a sexual relationship. is that right? answer. yes. it's question, how is that? how is that technically true answer or from davidson because i don't think that anyone had ever alleged that there was a relationship between stormy daniel's, and donald trump? i believe their relationship is an ongoing interaction. >> let me get on krister react to that. what do you think? >> i don't find that to be a terribly compelling defense of the statement that said she's repudiated that statement. right. and the jury is gonna get to hear from her and they're gonna be able to assess for themselves how seriously they should they should take that inconsistent statement it's not great for her, but i think it's something that the prosecutors can manage and potentially rehabilitate. >> you'd ar
davidson, how would you characterize the truthfulness of this statement davidson? >> i think it's technically true question from steinglass, how do you explain that? can you explain that? can you explain how it's true that it says an alleged sexual relationship which basically denies them having a sexual relationship. is that right? answer. yes. it's question, how is that? how is that technically true answer or from davidson because i don't think that anyone had ever alleged that there...
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davidson for extortion? yes, i was not charged, but investigated at boy every time the defense just says that word extortion over and over, it's ringing a bell. i believe you've with the jury, and i think it's gonna be a problem if you remember us to your point, do you remember todd blanche opened on it and is opening statement, any called i believe either called storming and are referred to extortion objection. sustained. strike that. from the record. >> so in his opening, when todd blanche said the evidence is going to show stormy daniels was extorting you. >> the judge wouldn't let him use that word, but it turns out that's the direction they're and let me ask you, but i can just read one little bit of that in this case, the defense attorney says, in 2016, you were pretty well-versed in getting right up to the line without committing extortion, right. >> and then davidson says, i don't understand your question. >> getting the word in say yeah. >> but i mean, jeff if even if it is extortion or was an attem
davidson for extortion? yes, i was not charged, but investigated at boy every time the defense just says that word extortion over and over, it's ringing a bell. i believe you've with the jury, and i think it's gonna be a problem if you remember us to your point, do you remember todd blanche opened on it and is opening statement, any called i believe either called storming and are referred to extortion objection. sustained. strike that. from the record. >> so in his opening, when todd...
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and then a text from dylan howard to keith davidson saying, oh, my god, davidson was asked about why he said, oh, my god, he said it was this gallows humor, as he said, a lot of surprise among the broadcasters and others that donald trump was leading in the polls and going on to say we thought about how our activities may have some way assisted the presidential campaign of donald trump. then they talked about, ana, this is fascinating, a phone call between keith davidson and michael cohen, after they found out donald trump had won the election, and the phone call essentially went like this, i'm going to have to leave out some expletives, he said something to the effect of, jesus christ, can you blanking believe i'm not going to washington after everything i've done for that blanking guy. i can't believe i'm not going to washington. i've saved that guy's blank so many times, you don't even know. this is davidson on a phone call that he had with michael cohen, while he's shopping at a department store after the november 2016 election. again, all circling back to michael cohen, who is g
and then a text from dylan howard to keith davidson saying, oh, my god, davidson was asked about why he said, oh, my god, he said it was this gallows humor, as he said, a lot of surprise among the broadcasters and others that donald trump was leading in the polls and going on to say we thought about how our activities may have some way assisted the presidential campaign of donald trump. then they talked about, ana, this is fascinating, a phone call between keith davidson and michael cohen,...
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you can say keith davidson is a terrible person. you can say "national enquirer" is a tabeloid, so what. if these people, good people or bad, got together and did a scheme to cover up because of this election, they did it. they're all saying they did it. >> keith davidson throughout, david pecker. >> part of it too is these defense lawyers have an uphill battle. michael cohen might be the crappiest witness ever, but donald trump is a pretty crappy defendant too. >> first, do we really think michael cohen is going to be a bad wince. he has done this show a dozen times. michael cohen is a practices communicator. he was donald trump's go-to communicator. he's done podcasts, interviews, he has his own podcast. michael cohen is not going to be a bad witness. it's such a ridiculous argument. >> he'll be able to communicate in ways the jury will find relatable and be able to absorb, but he has a fleet of louis vuitton baggage. >> that all relates to donald trump. >> again, it opens the door for impeaching his credibility. my point is, dona
you can say keith davidson is a terrible person. you can say "national enquirer" is a tabeloid, so what. if these people, good people or bad, got together and did a scheme to cover up because of this election, they did it. they're all saying they did it. >> keith davidson throughout, david pecker. >> part of it too is these defense lawyers have an uphill battle. michael cohen might be the crappiest witness ever, but donald trump is a pretty crappy defendant too. >>...
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that's in another writing by keith davidson. he said the da says how do you square that in terms of truthfulness. he says no one would say they had a relationship. it was just a one night stand. to be fair, mr. davidson said i know this is a technical definition, it did strike me as a clinton-ish definition, but that, in many ways, was doing on direct examination what cross was doing, which is, yes, this is not -- this is not exactly david kendall, the president's council at the top of the bar. we're dealing with people engaged in this kind of work. >> the reason we're dealing with this is because donald trump slept with people he hired. >> they were going -- stormy wanted to somehow tell her story. she wanted to go on jimmy kimmel, but she wanted to not break the agreement that she had brokered with donald trump because she was facing penalties if she did. so we saw her, and she's just being cute, but she gets on jimmy kimmel. "the wall street journal" and one of the reporters that broke that story is now working at the new yor
that's in another writing by keith davidson. he said the da says how do you square that in terms of truthfulness. he says no one would say they had a relationship. it was just a one night stand. to be fair, mr. davidson said i know this is a technical definition, it did strike me as a clinton-ish definition, but that, in many ways, was doing on direct examination what cross was doing, which is, yes, this is not -- this is not exactly david kendall, the president's council at the top of the bar....
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davidson, and mr. cohen, really him saying i thought that he met trump is not that it was trump. >> i'm still struck by the need of the prosecution to get somebody who witnessed or heard it directly from donald trump or witnessed them signing the documents and knew that it was an invoice for more than legal services. who is that person going to be? they had rhona graff on a little bit earlier. she was only on for a few minutes. >> all she could say is these two women were in my contacts and i might have seen ms. daniels in the waiting room. the charges, if you're going to go back to it is falsifying business records. it's not illegal in new york to put false entries in your business records, it becomes illegal if there's an intent to commit fraud or conceal another crime. the prosecution has to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, and so far we haven't gotten there yet. >> we're going to dive back into the courtroom in a few minutes. catherine and adam, stick around. >>> coming up next, i want to talk
davidson, and mr. cohen, really him saying i thought that he met trump is not that it was trump. >> i'm still struck by the need of the prosecution to get somebody who witnessed or heard it directly from donald trump or witnessed them signing the documents and knew that it was an invoice for more than legal services. who is that person going to be? they had rhona graff on a little bit earlier. she was only on for a few minutes. >> all she could say is these two women were in my...
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so in a sensuous davidson is the proxy for those women. it's just not going to be a good look if they really try to be rough with the women on the witness stand, but they can be rough with davidson, and i think that's what we're seeing. they're playing the extortion card here. you say tomato, i say tomato, davidson saying it wasn't extortion, these were settlements, civil settlements, and they say, no, it was really extortion, wasn't it? they don't really want to have to do that with karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, so they're going to do it with davidson. >> i'm being told that daus just finished his testimony. he's left the stand. there was a bench meeting that was called. we'll see what happens next as we keep our eye on this ongoing witness testimony, and we'll be bringing you the biggest highlights. we'll also start looking ahead to other potential witnesses still to come in this case, including one scene as the most potentially devastating to donald trump. could hope hicks provide prosecutors with a treasure-trove of testimony? sur
so in a sensuous davidson is the proxy for those women. it's just not going to be a good look if they really try to be rough with the women on the witness stand, but they can be rough with davidson, and i think that's what we're seeing. they're playing the extortion card here. you say tomato, i say tomato, davidson saying it wasn't extortion, these were settlements, civil settlements, and they say, no, it was really extortion, wasn't it? they don't really want to have to do that with karen...
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keith davidson is terrible. michael cohen is terrible, but the pressure in the process secretion is going to ask at the end of the case, is who benefited from all this? who is who is the person who is above it all of the fine details, but who set this process in motion? the argument that prosecution is going to make is that it was donald trump he was he set it in motion and he was the beneficiary and all these sleeves fact, all these sleazy people were just doing what trump will also is the argument that all these sleazy people are living in the petri dish that donald trump has built. >> well, that's i think the real risk. and i'm curious what the lawyers on this panel thank but i think that is the real risk for the defense with what the jury here says, the jury here, that there's gradations of this or there's the jury hold. donald trump accountable for everything they're going to hear about michael cohen, about david pecker, about keith davidson, that this was what was taking place. michael cohen referred donal
keith davidson is terrible. michael cohen is terrible, but the pressure in the process secretion is going to ask at the end of the case, is who benefited from all this? who is who is the person who is above it all of the fine details, but who set this process in motion? the argument that prosecution is going to make is that it was donald trump he was he set it in motion and he was the beneficiary and all these sleeves fact, all these sleazy people were just doing what trump will also is the...
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>> davidson, yes. bove, and dawn holland leaked information about the treatment of lindsay lohan, correct? davidson, it was reported that's what she did. bove, you helped ms. holland get paid, didn't you? this is when the prosecutor says objection, the court says overruled. david, i helped ms. holland get paid yes. the implication of all this keith davidson is a seedy lawyer in the world of extortion and trump is actually the victim here like charlie sheen and lindsay lohan. it is a weird strategy. after all nobody is disputing this case is about alleged hush money payments meant to cover up trump's m affairs. and painting davidson as an extortionist doesn't fundamentally change that. now, trump's lawyers did try to cast doubt today on trump's involvement on these payments by highlighting keith davidson only interacted with trump's attorney, michael cohen, and never spoke to trump directly. >> bove, you've never spoken to president trump? >> davidson, never. bove, in fact everything you've ever known c
>> davidson, yes. bove, and dawn holland leaked information about the treatment of lindsay lohan, correct? davidson, it was reported that's what she did. bove, you helped ms. holland get paid, didn't you? this is when the prosecutor says objection, the court says overruled. david, i helped ms. holland get paid yes. the implication of all this keith davidson is a seedy lawyer in the world of extortion and trump is actually the victim here like charlie sheen and lindsay lohan. it is a weird...
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davidson, "yes." emil bove, and "and dawn holland leaked information about lindsay lohan at a rehab facility." davidson drinks water, pauses, and respond, "that is reported that is what she did." >> emil bove, "you helped ms. holland get paid for what i said, didn't you?" davidson says, "i helped ms. holland get paid. i don't recall. the implication of all of this seems to be that keith davidson, the lawyer, is part of some seedy world of celebrity extortion and that donald trump is of the victim here, just like charlie sheen and lindsay lohan. it is a weird strategy. after all, no one is disputing this case is about hush money payments meant to cover up trumps alleged affairs and painting keith davidson as some kind of extortionist doesn't actually change that. the fundamental questions here remain did donald trump authorize these payments and did he do so in order to help his 2016 presidential campaign? how trumps lawyers did try to cast doubt today on trumps involvement in these payments by highlig
davidson, "yes." emil bove, and "and dawn holland leaked information about lindsay lohan at a rehab facility." davidson drinks water, pauses, and respond, "that is reported that is what she did." >> emil bove, "you helped ms. holland get paid for what i said, didn't you?" davidson says, "i helped ms. holland get paid. i don't recall. the implication of all of this seems to be that keith davidson, the lawyer, is part of some seedy world of...
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keith davidson arranged a meeting in california in keith davidson's office. question, can you tell us the substance of what ms. mcdougal said about the nature of her interactions with mr. trump during this meeting? answer i can summarize it. that's fine. ms. mcdougal alleges that she had had a romantic affair with donald trump for some years prior. question, when you say romantic, does that include sexual? answer that's what she expressed. that was the blockbuster story. that was for sale to the national enquirer. can google was a playboy magazine model who in 1998 was playmate of the year. karen mcdougal has said in interviews she was in love with donald trump and did not want her story about donald trump to be made public, keith davidson was able to use that story as leverage to use the national enquirer to pay his client, karen mcdougal, $150,000, to work for the national enquirer or its parent company by occasionally maybe writing articles for them the prosecution alleges this was a classic example of the so-called catch and kill scheme the jury has alrea
keith davidson arranged a meeting in california in keith davidson's office. question, can you tell us the substance of what ms. mcdougal said about the nature of her interactions with mr. trump during this meeting? answer i can summarize it. that's fine. ms. mcdougal alleges that she had had a romantic affair with donald trump for some years prior. question, when you say romantic, does that include sexual? answer that's what she expressed. that was the blockbuster story. that was for sale to...
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>> reporter: davidson testified daniels was eager "to talk about her life and reinvigorate her career." and at that point, neither michael cohen nor donald trump could stop her. trump has repeatedly said he would testify in his own defense, but today, on his way out of court, he made this false claim. >> well, i'm not allowed to testify, i'm under a gag order. i guess, right? i can't even testify or nothing. >> reporter: the gag order does not prevent trump from testifying. as he has said on at least three different occasions he would. every criminal defendant has the right to testify in his or her
>> reporter: davidson testified daniels was eager "to talk about her life and reinvigorate her career." and at that point, neither michael cohen nor donald trump could stop her. trump has repeatedly said he would testify in his own defense, but today, on his way out of court, he made this false claim. >> well, i'm not allowed to testify, i'm under a gag order. i guess, right? i can't even testify or nothing. >> reporter: the gag order does not prevent trump from...
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what did you think of davidson? >> i thought davidson was straight on the most important is he brought us to the precipice of stormy daniels and the huge crisis it is. there was the bland text at every step, and then, when the access hollywood tape hits, you have him talking to dylan howard, and he is so he was effective in reinforcing the notion that at this point it's a nitroglycerin crisis that has to be dealt with. >> when planet hollywood drops. >> access hollywood. >> sorry. i don't want to defame the wonderful restaurant chain. [ laughter ] the key sort of -- the key narrative point i took away, and i have not read the transcript yet. the idea that there was the mcdougal deal. it set off some alarms internally at ami. then there's the stormy deal then the stormy deal sputters out of michael cohen is being squarely in the coming up and that's dead. what resurrects it is the crisis of the access hollywood. >> yes and no. the crisis is what initiates the deal negotiations. at some point, falls apart. mid-october
what did you think of davidson? >> i thought davidson was straight on the most important is he brought us to the precipice of stormy daniels and the huge crisis it is. there was the bland text at every step, and then, when the access hollywood tape hits, you have him talking to dylan howard, and he is so he was effective in reinforcing the notion that at this point it's a nitroglycerin crisis that has to be dealt with. >> when planet hollywood drops. >> access hollywood....
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davidson says before yes. before access hollywood, there was very little if any interests from what i understand in jena, jena rodriguez was trying to sell the stormy daniels donald trump story. it wasn't until access hollywood that interests reached a crescendo. does it matter? do you think for jurors that the former president and i don't know if it's it probably hasn't been an admitted yet into evidence, but i assume prosecutors will at some point somehow that the former president denies even knowing these two women, karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. and you've already had david pecker saying multiple times that trump would repeatedly ask, how's our girl karen and even showed that black and white photo of them walking in the white house. and according to david pecker, at the time that photo was taken, trump has asking her aac, how's karen doing and david pecker's answering? i mean, does that does that if he lied about that, would as a juror, would that impact the way they said the former president's sure. t
davidson says before yes. before access hollywood, there was very little if any interests from what i understand in jena, jena rodriguez was trying to sell the stormy daniels donald trump story. it wasn't until access hollywood that interests reached a crescendo. does it matter? do you think for jurors that the former president and i don't know if it's it probably hasn't been an admitted yet into evidence, but i assume prosecutors will at some point somehow that the former president denies even...
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davidson? davidson says, well, that was sort of a gallows humor and it was on election night as a result, we're coming in and there was a sort of surprise amongst the broadcasted and others that donald trump was leading in the polls. and there was a growing sense that folks were about to be ready to call the election. the prosecutor says, and you refer to it as gallows humor. can you explain that a little more? what did you mean? why did you say what have we done davidson, he says, i think there was an understanding this is a text between dylan howard and i, and there was an understanding that our efforts may have in some way, i should strike that. that our activities may have in some way assisted the presidential campaign of donald trump an important well, i mean part of the charges in this case is that all of these transactions, all of this money was ultimately to benefit donald trump's campaign and what they are saying is, my god, it worked and that's part of the case. >> some bourbon things
davidson? davidson says, well, that was sort of a gallows humor and it was on election night as a result, we're coming in and there was a sort of surprise amongst the broadcasted and others that donald trump was leading in the polls. and there was a growing sense that folks were about to be ready to call the election. the prosecutor says, and you refer to it as gallows humor. can you explain that a little more? what did you mean? why did you say what have we done davidson, he says, i think...
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davidson testifying about cohen, i thought he was going to kill himself. a helpful point for the defense as it tries to cast cohen as having an ax to grind against mr. trump. the former president is accused of illegally doctoring his internal records to disguise his repayments to cohen, making cohen's testimony critical for prosecutors, who are now seeking additional fines against mr. trump, saying he violated a gag order again by calling his former fixer a liar. while the defense argues the former president should be allowed to defend himself against cohen's frequent criticism. >> i'm unconstitutionally gagged. he gagged me. so i'm not even i would say supposed to be talking to you, because he gagged me. >> reporter: the judge hasn't yet ruled but expressed concern mr. trump's statements and the effects hey might have on other
davidson testifying about cohen, i thought he was going to kill himself. a helpful point for the defense as it tries to cast cohen as having an ax to grind against mr. trump. the former president is accused of illegally doctoring his internal records to disguise his repayments to cohen, making cohen's testimony critical for prosecutors, who are now seeking additional fines against mr. trump, saying he violated a gag order again by calling his former fixer a liar. while the defense argues the...
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keith davidson had a reasonable explanation. he had a client who was chomping at the bit to exploit some of the notoriety she was getting, and at the same time she took seriously the fact that the agreement she had had liquidated damages clause that meant if he/she reach the confidentiality part of the agreement, she could have to pay $1 million for each violation. he was trying to titrate between a client who wanted to be in the public eye, and mitigating risk for her. that is how we chose to do it. from that standpoint, the obnoxiousness of keith davidson trying to be like, this is what i did and it was too cute by half and i did it. it's more sympathetic in the eye, and whether the jury will take that, i'm not sure. i think the prosecution is doing an overall good job situating this story, and the seeming of some of the people involved. they do not have to like these folks. they just have to believe they are telling the truth about the ultimate, allege bad guy, the former president of the united states. >> we have to take a b
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than they got into basically establishing davidson. they tried to come of the defense, as an extortionist. that he pulls this money out of all these different celebrities in order to line his pockets which he obviously took issue with. >> sandra: martha maccallum live, we will see you shortly thank you so much. >> martha, thanks. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> john: let's bring in matt whitaker former acting attorney general. to put keith davidson on the stand today the prosecution expecting him to weave a tale to buttress their contention that trump somehow committed a crime by affecting the results of the 2016 election after -- long after the election took place. but as mentioned to martha, it wasn't exactly a seller witness for the prosecution. said a lot of things they probably would not have wanted him to say including he would not have considered this to be hush money. he would consider it to be a "consideration." >> right. and they have to do a magic trick right now kind of a card trick. aftershow these document sort of f
than they got into basically establishing davidson. they tried to come of the defense, as an extortionist. that he pulls this money out of all these different celebrities in order to line his pockets which he obviously took issue with. >> sandra: martha maccallum live, we will see you shortly thank you so much. >> martha, thanks. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> john: let's bring in matt whitaker former acting attorney general. to put keith davidson on the stand...
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the da put davidson on today. it may be because davidson doesn't have the kind of credibility issues that cohen has. davidson still confirmed the same details we know cohen confirms. the investigations with the enquirer which had a clear agenda of buying and burying these stories. this is a rare peek into a process that even at the high levels of media and campaigns you don't always see because it is so secretive. the lawyer tipping off the enquirer about mcdougal, the former play mate as a block buster trump story. the tabloid editor says i will get you more, that's more money, than anyone for it. you know why. now if it was years ago and you got your hands on that sordid text message, you might not know why. these two did. now the rest of us do. the national enquirer had this very unusual deal of catching and killing stories. they did it for more people than just trump. but they are not on trial. trump is. now, when asked what that meant, they responded they were long time friends. we go from that text to this d
the da put davidson on today. it may be because davidson doesn't have the kind of credibility issues that cohen has. davidson still confirmed the same details we know cohen confirms. the investigations with the enquirer which had a clear agenda of buying and burying these stories. this is a rare peek into a process that even at the high levels of media and campaigns you don't always see because it is so secretive. the lawyer tipping off the enquirer about mcdougal, the former play mate as a...
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it was that night that davidson texted, what have we done? to the enquirer chief, and they respond, oh, my god. davidson said there was an understanding or activity may have assisted the campaign of trump. davidson also described today a december -- despondent michael cohen, yet he was offered nothing. not a social secretary job, not a junior pr job, not assistant to the press secretary job, to say nothing of doj or other powerful posts that he might have had in his job. he got zero. now, this is interesting, because, again, when you are doing a trial, you have to deal with all the evidence, not just the evidence good for your side. this is something we may see trump's lawyers seize on, the idea that cohen was upset about a whole range of things, the one i'm about to show you, but also his later incarceration that has clouded how he describes what happened to trump. here's that testimony. >> and then there was a cross examine, more tense today according to people in the room. we have the words, i was there tuesday, our colleagues there today.
it was that night that davidson texted, what have we done? to the enquirer chief, and they respond, oh, my god. davidson said there was an understanding or activity may have assisted the campaign of trump. davidson also described today a december -- despondent michael cohen, yet he was offered nothing. not a social secretary job, not a junior pr job, not assistant to the press secretary job, to say nothing of doj or other powerful posts that he might have had in his job. he got zero. now, this...
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cohen and davidson. discussing how they feel about what they did. so it is cohen and davidson. we will listen and respond. let's play that. >> i can't even tell you how many times he said to me i hate the fact that we did it. and my comment to him was but every person you have spoken to told you was the right move. >> that is michael cohen. you can tell us how the defense team might be dealing with this because it relates to the segment we have been discussing. the context there, and we knew about this from the trial the other day, is the theory of the defense is oh, cohen made up stuff later. that is hard to hold onto if we have this contemporaneous evidence along the way. and you don't have to believe everything he says or say he is a perfect guy. but that tape is being offered by the prosecution to show hey. as it went along, he kept mentioning that trump was involved. because he was. and when he says trump says i wish i didn't do it. that is not to hurt or help trump, but what he says trump said. your thoughts? >> yeah. again. i'm sticking with this is a shade of what todd
cohen and davidson. discussing how they feel about what they did. so it is cohen and davidson. we will listen and respond. let's play that. >> i can't even tell you how many times he said to me i hate the fact that we did it. and my comment to him was but every person you have spoken to told you was the right move. >> that is michael cohen. you can tell us how the defense team might be dealing with this because it relates to the segment we have been discussing. the context there,...
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davidson admits it was never discussed. they play another call for davidson and he confirms he said if trump loses the election, they lose leverage in terms of the payment. what do you make of that quick? thirty seconds. >> i don't think it doesn't, so what. let's say trump was involved, was he the one who said, but on the paperwork, legal fees versus campaign expense. no. they don't have that evidence it was all co- when. even if donald knew about it, still it is not enough. that's all cohen, i don't see it yet, i don't. >> sandra: we also don't see the former president yet but we are watching. mark great to have you on. >> john: thanks mark. we've got lots to look forward to tomorrow when it's finally friday. i assume the soul continue, the trump trial and the protests as well. >> sandra: that you can count on at this point could be with you. >> john: good to be with you as well thank you for joining us. i john roberts. >> sandra: i am centre of smith. the story with martha maccallum live outside the courthouse starts now
davidson admits it was never discussed. they play another call for davidson and he confirms he said if trump loses the election, they lose leverage in terms of the payment. what do you make of that quick? thirty seconds. >> i don't think it doesn't, so what. let's say trump was involved, was he the one who said, but on the paperwork, legal fees versus campaign expense. no. they don't have that evidence it was all co- when. even if donald knew about it, still it is not enough. that's all...
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keith davidson, i do. and you've represented some clients who you helped get paid by charlie sheen, right? i've represented several clients who had claims against charlie sheen and who you extracted sums of money from charlie sheen on behalf of, correct? there was no extraction you took steps to cause mr. xin to pay, correct we asserted that there was tortious activity committed and valid settlements that were executed. so some of this that emil bove is doing here in the courtroom before the jury, it's subtle and it suggestive to the jurors, but it is something that he may try and argue later on that the defense team might try and argue later on whenever they have all of this evidence into the record, there's another really brief exchange, just so you can see how there's wordplay going on here between the defense council and keith davidson about what he was doing and what kind of a person he was bove asked him. i remember i'm asking what you remember. all right. can younswer davidson in answer to what beau
keith davidson, i do. and you've represented some clients who you helped get paid by charlie sheen, right? i've represented several clients who had claims against charlie sheen and who you extracted sums of money from charlie sheen on behalf of, correct? there was no extraction you took steps to cause mr. xin to pay, correct we asserted that there was tortious activity committed and valid settlements that were executed. so some of this that emil bove is doing here in the courtroom before the...
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there is no reasonable doubt left that keith davidson, about keith davidson, negotiating that deal on behalf of stormy daniels with michael cohen. that's the essence of his testimony . that is why he is a witness, but, when your life goes so far off course that you find yourself negotiating hush money payments for adult film stars of presidential candidates so that you can help hide the truth about that candidate from voters, for a fee of $10,000 that you earn from that transaction, it might not be the only unseemly thing you've been involved with in your life. so, on cross-examination, to trump's the light, sure, donald trump's other criminal defense lawyer tried to expose keith davidson's role in trying to arrange hush money payments, in one case, allegedly for as much as $2 million, for other famous men, including hulk hogan and charlie sheen. keith davidson was also involved in trafficking information about the treatment of lindsay lohan in a rehab facility. this testimony, from this person , who has the lead his law career, took place in a building filled with honorable lawyers w
there is no reasonable doubt left that keith davidson, about keith davidson, negotiating that deal on behalf of stormy daniels with michael cohen. that's the essence of his testimony . that is why he is a witness, but, when your life goes so far off course that you find yourself negotiating hush money payments for adult film stars of presidential candidates so that you can help hide the truth about that candidate from voters, for a fee of $10,000 that you earn from that transaction, it might...
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what did you think of davidson today? >> look, i thought he was also basically straight and most important he really brought us to the precipice of stormy daniels and the crisis. there were these texts that every step and then when the access hollywood tape hits you have him talking and saying he is deschutes the end, waved the white flag. in the end he was very effective in reinforcing the notion that at this point it is a nitroglycerin crisis that has to be dealt with. >> when planet hollywood drops. >> when access hollywood drops, yes. >> access hollywood, i always do that. i don't want to defame the wonderful restaurant chain. >> great business idea. >> the key, kind of narrative point i took away. i'm following this on the slack channel, but the idea that there was the mcdougal deal, that it set off alarms i internally. at ami. then there is the stormy deal and it kind of sputters out and michael cohen is being squarely and not really coming up and that is dead and what resurrects it is the crisis of access hollywood
what did you think of davidson today? >> look, i thought he was also basically straight and most important he really brought us to the precipice of stormy daniels and the crisis. there were these texts that every step and then when the access hollywood tape hits you have him talking and saying he is deschutes the end, waved the white flag. in the end he was very effective in reinforcing the notion that at this point it is a nitroglycerin crisis that has to be dealt with. >> when...
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from the witness stand, davidson pulled back the curtain on a statement he wrote on behalf of daniels, seeming to deny her affair with trump. he admitted with trump sitting in front of him in the courtroom that the stormy daniels statement was designed to look like a denial. basically a non-denial denial, you could say. the statement wrote i have recently became aware that certain news outlets are alleging i have a sexual or romantic affair with donald trump many, many years ago. i am stating with complete clarity that this is absolutely false. the and/or is a strange part of the statement. davidson used some particularly lawyerly language to parse why he believed that statement to be true, saying, quote, i don't think anyone had ever alleged that any interaction between daniels and trump was romantic. look, i have written a lot of statements in my time. not about the sort of thing, fortunately. despite the just friends with benefits vibe of davidson's answers, the interesting part to me is there is no outright denial of what happened or who is behind the attempt to cover it up and he
from the witness stand, davidson pulled back the curtain on a statement he wrote on behalf of daniels, seeming to deny her affair with trump. he admitted with trump sitting in front of him in the courtroom that the stormy daniels statement was designed to look like a denial. basically a non-denial denial, you could say. the statement wrote i have recently became aware that certain news outlets are alleging i have a sexual or romantic affair with donald trump many, many years ago. i am stating...
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tequila i believe so davidson said davidson was also asked if he was investigated by law enforcement in connection with the hulk hogan sex tape? that's true. he's about though he denied extorting anyone. >> and then there was a course, the question of whether he had extracted that was the phrase extracted ms of money from charlie sheen and from the transcript question, do you remember mr. xin paying your client, capri anderson? >> answer, i'm not going to discuss that. well, we are back here with our pound to discuss are we're talking about all of it. i got. hot tea for that purpose and joining us this hour, hugo lol, a political investigations reporter with the guardian. he was actually in court today and devlin barrett, a law enforcement reporter with the washington post, and he too was in the courtroom. let's begin with what happened today. i got to know when you were inside that court devlin, what was the atmosphere leg was trump thinking, does his body not about the climate, not the temperature i got. what was it like? really hot in terms of him thinking, wait, this is hurting,
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and with every bit of dirt that keith davidson revealed about himself and every bit of dirt that was thrown at him by donald trump's lawyer, what really mattered in that room is that the oldest person in the room, sitting under a crown of blonde hair at the defense table, lived his life in such a way that his future was in the hands of keith davidson in october, 2016, when he was asking the people of the united states of america to make him the next president. i was sitting in the front row of the reporter section of the courtroom, which is actually the third row of spectator seats. the first row is reserved for circuit sevis agents. -- for secret service agents. the second row is for the family and then there is the third row, where in the afternoon there was nothing, nothing between me and the back of donald trump's head. the same seat was occupied last week by the writer, jonathan alter, who wrote at some length for the washington monthly about his day of contemplation staring at, quote, the back of his head. the meticulously coiffed souffle. what you see under the hair in that co
and with every bit of dirt that keith davidson revealed about himself and every bit of dirt that was thrown at him by donald trump's lawyer, what really mattered in that room is that the oldest person in the room, sitting under a crown of blonde hair at the defense table, lived his life in such a way that his future was in the hands of keith davidson in october, 2016, when he was asking the people of the united states of america to make him the next president. i was sitting in the front row of...
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-- tied him to davidson and take both off the table together. we'll see if they did that satisfactorily. i want you're thoughts of this campus chaos we are seeing as well in terms of what the impact is on the 2024 election. i thought it was interesting because joe scarborough this morning on his show in the morning basically said it took him back to the law & order campaign of richard nixon in 1968 and he said this is what turned his family who were southern democrats to become republicans which swept that whole region during that period. here is what he said... >> the riots on college campuses and at the chicago convention and 68, all of those things moved my family from being democrats their entire life to being republicans. if you are offended by this please i'm trying to help you. i don't want almost trump to get elected. >> what is you're take on that kaylee. >> it's a rare thoughtful point from joe scarborough khaki is right i don't often say that but he is right. at alonso the piece that came out yesterday where all these democrats were s
-- tied him to davidson and take both off the table together. we'll see if they did that satisfactorily. i want you're thoughts of this campus chaos we are seeing as well in terms of what the impact is on the 2024 election. i thought it was interesting because joe scarborough this morning on his show in the morning basically said it took him back to the law & order campaign of richard nixon in 1968 and he said this is what turned his family who were southern democrats to become republicans...
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let's start with keith davidson's testimony. defense tried to paint him as an extortionist, participating in a sleazily shakedown of donald trump, asking for big bucks. let me ask you, do you think they were successful? and if so what impact do you think his testimony will have? >> they were successful and extortion is a crime and he would have been convicted of that. they were successful in painting him as a sleazy lawyer but more important for the defense he never dealt directly with donald trump, he always dealt with michael cohen. they also were successful in having davidson question the credibility of cohen and also put in the jurors mind they already knew this from opening statements in vor dire but even more michael cohen has an axe to grind, that he was so upset donald trump didn't take him to the white house. witness after witness the prosecution are not going to wrap their arms around michael cohen and say he's a great guy. their going to say you can believe him because other witnesses have corroborated him. other witn
let's start with keith davidson's testimony. defense tried to paint him as an extortionist, participating in a sleazily shakedown of donald trump, asking for big bucks. let me ask you, do you think they were successful? and if so what impact do you think his testimony will have? >> they were successful and extortion is a crime and he would have been convicted of that. they were successful in painting him as a sleazy lawyer but more important for the defense he never dealt directly with...
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yes, i contacted keith davidson and hope hicks, and david pecker. all of these players are now coming together on why he contacted them so that we can all coalesce around this issue in an attempt to, again, quell potential effects that would result from an article like this. katy, i know we go back to you in these moments all the time, but at that moment of the campaign, the closeness of the election, the pressure that was felt internally, even if no one knew beyond these players what exactly was happening behind the scenes, the intensity of it, back to your point, it makes sense. >> and what did they say, deny, deny, deny, deny, they knew if they were going to win, it was going to be by the wire. they would need to lock up this unlikely base of support that included suburban women, donald trump had an affair with a playboy model or porn star, on the heels of the "access hollywood" tape, they worry that would be the end for donald trump's campaign, and when you got to the election results, the night of the election, come 7:00, it looked like he was
yes, i contacted keith davidson and hope hicks, and david pecker. all of these players are now coming together on why he contacted them so that we can all coalesce around this issue in an attempt to, again, quell potential effects that would result from an article like this. katy, i know we go back to you in these moments all the time, but at that moment of the campaign, the closeness of the election, the pressure that was felt internally, even if no one knew beyond these players what exactly...
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davidson testified that was a reference to the payment to daniels. trump's lawyers, meanwhile, tried to paint davidson as a serial extortionist of celebrities, citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan and that he did the same with trump. >> they are doing a good job at showing sort of this seedy, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in. by all accounts, you know, this is what this man does for a living. it's his bread-and-butter. >> reporter: and today, trump falsely claimed that he is not able to testify due to the gag order. that's not true. he is able to testify. the gag order just prohibits him from criticizing the jury or the witnesses. j.b.? >> james: robert costa in new york, thank you. arizona's near-total ban on abortion has been repealed. governor katie hobbs made that official today, undoing a law that dated back to 1864. this summer, a law passed in 2022 will go back into effect. that allows abortions up to the 15th week of pregnancy. some abortion rights advocates want that to be
davidson testified that was a reference to the payment to daniels. trump's lawyers, meanwhile, tried to paint davidson as a serial extortionist of celebrities, citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan and that he did the same with trump. >> they are doing a good job at showing sort of this seedy, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in. by all accounts, you know, this is what this man does for a living. it's his bread-and-butter....
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what stood out to me was keith davidson. you know. this strategy the defense has in really distancing trump from davidson. from these payments. in that they establish davidson only communicated with cohen. never trump. and they brought out the fact that the only time davidson has been, that was i think a slam dunk for the defense. for the prosecution he served one perp. that was to establish there was a transaction that cohen paid stormy daniels. $130,000. so for me, i think keith davidson did what he was suppose today do for the prosecution. but i certainly think he helped the defense. and hope hicks' testimony today corroborated what he said. because what he did say after the payments were done, cohen called davidson and complained because he was expecting a job at the white house. right? i did so much for this guy and i have been left out. then you have hope hicks saying i don't know cohen to do things out of the goodness of his heart. he does things because he wants credit. cohen made these payments on his own. because he had othe
what stood out to me was keith davidson. you know. this strategy the defense has in really distancing trump from davidson. from these payments. in that they establish davidson only communicated with cohen. never trump. and they brought out the fact that the only time davidson has been, that was i think a slam dunk for the defense. for the prosecution he served one perp. that was to establish there was a transaction that cohen paid stormy daniels. $130,000. so for me, i think keith davidson did...
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davidson testified that was a reference to the payment to daniels. trump's lawyers, meanwhile, tried to paint davidson as a serial extortionist of celebrities, citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan, and that he did the same with trump. >> they're doing a good job at showing sort of the seedy, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in. this is what this man does for a living. it's his bread and butter. >> reporter: trump falsely claimed he's not able to testify due to the gag order. that is not true. the gag order only limits what trump can say about the jury and witnesses. robert costa, cbs news, new york. >>> now to the middle east. hamas says that it is sending a delegation to egypt to continue cease-fire talks. it's a sign of progress after months of stop-and-start negotiations. the key sticking point -- hamas demanding a complete withdrawal of israeli troops from gaza and permanent end to the war. israel wants to see all remaining hostages home safe. we've returned one of the israelis bel
davidson testified that was a reference to the payment to daniels. trump's lawyers, meanwhile, tried to paint davidson as a serial extortionist of celebrities, citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan, and that he did the same with trump. >> they're doing a good job at showing sort of the seedy, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in. this is what this man does for a living. it's his bread and butter. >> reporter: trump...
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can you explain that, davidson? well, i don't think that anyone had ever alleged that any interaction between mean she and mr. trump was romantic. >> okay. how about sexual davidson will that would be a sexual that would be a sexual or romantic. why spend time on this as a prosecutor, michael well, i don't think it was a good day or good, but what for the prosecution, you know, when you're having to get your witness to clay, that the parsing of the words i think that's a mistake, but they would know they're going to put stormy daniels on the stand or at least i expect they may or they might be trying to sort of bolster submit some discrepancies of her testimony to clean that up? >> before she testifies as this would be one of those one of those places where she may get caught in a back-and-forth. they doing that. they're also want to talk about what the payment was four and whether or not this was a leveraged pay, but whether or not this was something else that i think they called it an accommodation fighting or som
can you explain that, davidson? well, i don't think that anyone had ever alleged that any interaction between mean she and mr. trump was romantic. >> okay. how about sexual davidson will that would be a sexual that would be a sexual or romantic. why spend time on this as a prosecutor, michael well, i don't think it was a good day or good, but what for the prosecution, you know, when you're having to get your witness to clay, that the parsing of the words i think that's a mistake, but they...
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keith davidson was trump's first lawyer. it was in his role as karen mcdougal's first lawyer that he texted the editor of the national enquirer, dylan howard, "i have a blockbuster trump story." the prosecutor, who has possession of those text messages, asked the witness to read the text that he sent to dylan howard. "i had a blockbuster trump story. what did you mean by that? sort of an entrie or teaser to dylan to let him know that i had, perhaps, an opportunity for him. and what was the, generally's eking, and certainly without revealing client confidences, what was the opportunity about which you were contacting him? regarding the interaction between karen mcdougal and donald trump. what did mr. howard say, if anything, in response? talk first thing. i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. what do you understand that to mean? that he would call me in the morning. what did you understand the rest of the text to mean? that, i don't know if i had a clear understanding at that time, but i knew that dylan's boss
keith davidson was trump's first lawyer. it was in his role as karen mcdougal's first lawyer that he texted the editor of the national enquirer, dylan howard, "i have a blockbuster trump story." the prosecutor, who has possession of those text messages, asked the witness to read the text that he sent to dylan howard. "i had a blockbuster trump story. what did you mean by that? sort of an entrie or teaser to dylan to let him know that i had, perhaps, an opportunity for him. and...
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davidson testified, that was a reference to the payment to daniels. trump's lawyers, meanwhile, tried to paint davidson as a serial extortionist of celebrities, citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan and that he did the same with trump. >> they're doing a good job at showing sort of the seedy, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in. by all accounts, this is what this man does for a living. it's his bread and butter. >> reporter: and today trump falsely claimed that he's not able to testify due to the gag order. that's not true. he is able to testify. the gag order just prohibits him from criticizing the jury or the witnesses. j.b. >> robert costa in new york, thank you. >>> arizona's near total ban on abortion has been repealed. governor katie hobbs made that official today, undoing a law that dated back to 1864. this summer, a law passed in 2022 will go back into effect. that allows abortions up to the 15th week of pregnancy. some abortion rights advocates want that to be extended to 24 wee
davidson testified, that was a reference to the payment to daniels. trump's lawyers, meanwhile, tried to paint davidson as a serial extortionist of celebrities, citing alleged deals related to lindsay lohan, charlie sheen, and hulk hogan and that he did the same with trump. >> they're doing a good job at showing sort of the seedy, dirty underbelly of this world that keith davidson peddles in. by all accounts, this is what this man does for a living. it's his bread and butter. >>...