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allen weisselberg was greedy. look at what allen weisselberg and blame him, and even then allen weisselberg did not flip on trump. you know, he has now gone to jail for trump not just once but twice. he is the d.a.'s office has done everything they can to try and get allen weisselberg to flip on trump. it's not happening. don't expect him to come in and be a great witness for the state. the state knows they can't call him, and that's why they're trying to find some way to explain his absence to the jury through this severance jury. >> madeleine westerhout, you had a chance to observe today. in many ways although she didn't serve nearly as long as weisselberg has, she is someone who is this young woman, she's trying to make her way in the world. she finds herself surrounded by some of the most powerful people in the world and arguably ultimately, the most powerful person in the world. donald trump going with him to the white house, somebody who, frankly, she clearly admired and still admires in spite of the fact th
allen weisselberg was greedy. look at what allen weisselberg and blame him, and even then allen weisselberg did not flip on trump. you know, he has now gone to jail for trump not just once but twice. he is the d.a.'s office has done everything they can to try and get allen weisselberg to flip on trump. it's not happening. don't expect him to come in and be a great witness for the state. the state knows they can't call him, and that's why they're trying to find some way to explain his absence to...
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i do not think we are going to see allen weisselberg . the notes in this case really speak for themselves and you have jeffrey mcconney doing something that is important because i wonder how they are going to identifying allen weisselberg's handwriting. is it just going to be michael cohen so that they can collapse it and say you don't really have corroboration. you have jeffrey mcconney. to be clear, this is borrowing a page from the january 6 committee. these are insiders to the trump organization. these are not friends of democrats. these are people in the trump organization. >> where are we going to go from here? there is a good argument for close the case out. i don't think that is what is going to happen. at the end of the day, there's probably about two weeks left. that means we will hear from michael cohen. we are certainly going to hear from some insiders at the white house as to the mechanics of how the checks so that it is pretty clear. i think we are going to get a little bit more detail about what is presented to donald trump
i do not think we are going to see allen weisselberg . the notes in this case really speak for themselves and you have jeffrey mcconney doing something that is important because i wonder how they are going to identifying allen weisselberg's handwriting. is it just going to be michael cohen so that they can collapse it and say you don't really have corroboration. you have jeffrey mcconney. to be clear, this is borrowing a page from the january 6 committee. these are insiders to the trump...
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he sent one to allen weisselberg. where we're seeing this train going, wait for it, allen weisselberg and michael cohen came up with a scheme on their own and we've gotten shades of that, but we really started to see it take shape today and i think we're going to continue the idea that cohen and weisselberg came up with it. i wonder, if we were to get allen weisselberg on the stand and but you wonder where allen weisselberg would land on that. part of the defense is that this was a scheme cooked up between the two of them, and donald trump was just busy doing a bunch of other stuff and had no idea that this payment was happening. >> i mean, what -- what westerhout requires is for you to impeach donald trump. it's trump's words that said i look at every check, it came in the testimony from his publisher and his ghost writer who talked about how hands on he was and ghost writing in his own words. the other piece is a jury would then -- i'm sure you're right, sue's always right -- but a jury would then be asked to swallo
he sent one to allen weisselberg. where we're seeing this train going, wait for it, allen weisselberg and michael cohen came up with a scheme on their own and we've gotten shades of that, but we really started to see it take shape today and i think we're going to continue the idea that cohen and weisselberg came up with it. i wonder, if we were to get allen weisselberg on the stand and but you wonder where allen weisselberg would land on that. part of the defense is that this was a scheme...
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then, what is allen weisselberg doing being mentioned in that conversation? repetition is the flipside of the trump teams stipulations. it makes it more intelligible for the jury when you've heard something not just once but three times running. >> adam, there is nothing like hearing the defendant's voice in a recording like that, in a conspiracy. >> absolutely. and, hearing and, just moving off of something that lisa just said, just to take back to the first time we heard it, hearing the defendant's voice on tape, hearing the witness on tape, it was during cross-examination that trump's attorney , emil bove, had advanced the theory that this was somehow falsified. when you put all of this evidence together, having the jury kind of process that explanation that what is the competing theory that was set a little earlier today? you have to, when you see all of the evidence laid out through michael cohen's testimony for hours and hours, text messages, phone messages, it goes into, you have to imagine a series of coincidences that michael cohen is calling trump a
then, what is allen weisselberg doing being mentioned in that conversation? repetition is the flipside of the trump teams stipulations. it makes it more intelligible for the jury when you've heard something not just once but three times running. >> adam, there is nothing like hearing the defendant's voice in a recording like that, in a conspiracy. >> absolutely. and, hearing and, just moving off of something that lisa just said, just to take back to the first time we heard it,...
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meaning allen weisselberg. and set this up. it's a different transaction, but it's the same intent. >> are you worried at all, though, about the fact that there is not a lot of direct evidence that trump knew how they were handing the payout? >> you bet. that's the other thing that's left. >> that's the really -- for me is -- you know, if i was prosecuting this case, you always look at what's the weakest link. and you try to gear your whole presentation around that. the fact that weisselberg is not going to testify is going to be a big question mark for the jury because weisselberg seems to be the one who could connect the hiding of these business records, the falsification of the business records back to trump. and i don't know how they're going to cross him, but they would be smart to cross him and just go there. >> and really what we have there is circumstantial -- >> a lot of circumstantial -- >> how focused he was on detail. >> circumstantial is sometimes better than a witness, especially if your witness is flawed. but the
meaning allen weisselberg. and set this up. it's a different transaction, but it's the same intent. >> are you worried at all, though, about the fact that there is not a lot of direct evidence that trump knew how they were handing the payout? >> you bet. that's the other thing that's left. >> that's the really -- for me is -- you know, if i was prosecuting this case, you always look at what's the weakest link. and you try to gear your whole presentation around that. the fact...
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names that we've heard, keith schiller, allen weisselberg. you've been talking a lot about allen weisselberg, trump's former cfo and that separation agreement. on friday there was a back and forth about the separation agreement. the prosecution wanted to admit the separation agreement as evidence to essentially say it shows the jury that allen weisselberg pays defense and loyalty to the trump organization, hence why we would not want to put him on the stand as a witness. the judge says it doesn't necessarily seem like that's what it says. if you want to admit that as evidence, we have to put weisselberg on the stand without a jury in the room. from our sources in the prosecution's office and the d.a.'s office, they're telling us putting allen weisselberg on the stand would be a huge risk because of the possibility, guys, that he could feasibly lie on the stand. let's remember he's serving time right now. that is not a chance they even want to take. we're also hearing about the possibility of keith schiller testifying. incredibly low. the like
names that we've heard, keith schiller, allen weisselberg. you've been talking a lot about allen weisselberg, trump's former cfo and that separation agreement. on friday there was a back and forth about the separation agreement. the prosecution wanted to admit the separation agreement as evidence to essentially say it shows the jury that allen weisselberg pays defense and loyalty to the trump organization, hence why we would not want to put him on the stand as a witness. the judge says it...
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what is allen weisselberg doing in the conversation? repetition is the flipside of the time t's obstreperous nest with respect to no stipulations. it makes it more intelligible for the jury when you print something not just once but three times. >> there is nothing like hearing the defendant's voice and a recording like that in a conspiracy. >> absolutely. moving off something that lisa just said, to take back the first time we heard it. hearing the defendant my ski voice and hearing the witness on tape, it was during a cross examination the trump's attorney had advanced the theory that this was somehow falsified. when you put all of this evidence together, having the jury process that explanation, what is the competing theory? it was said a little earlier. when you see all the evidence laid out through the testimony for hours and hours. text and phone messages. you have to imagine a series of coincidences that cohen is calling trump and hope hicks and keith davidson, all these opportune times that reaches to a level of qanon style cons
what is allen weisselberg doing in the conversation? repetition is the flipside of the time t's obstreperous nest with respect to no stipulations. it makes it more intelligible for the jury when you print something not just once but three times. >> there is nothing like hearing the defendant's voice and a recording like that in a conspiracy. >> absolutely. moving off something that lisa just said, to take back the first time we heard it. hearing the defendant my ski voice and...
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weisselberg and was told in front of donald trump by the chief financial officer at the time, allen weisselberg, he would be paid in installments that would be described as a legal retainer, and he would get the title of the president's personal lawyer. correspondent: it sounds like there is still a bit to get you to get to whether donald trump knew or ordered these payments. what do we expect to hear tomorrow? correspondent: we are still deep into the prosecution's questioning of michael cohen. we still have to get to the point where there is a meeting in the white house between donald trump and michael cohen. no doubt they are going to want to also get a head of some other questions that the defense may raise. but of course, it may be the turn for donald trump's lawyers to question michael cohen, and that will no doubt be one of the most crucial parts of this trial because before this, we had seen evidence that implicated donald trump. prosecutors say that michael cohen's testimony directly ties him to the hush-money payments, the alleged conspiracy and the cover up. so, the defen
weisselberg and was told in front of donald trump by the chief financial officer at the time, allen weisselberg, he would be paid in installments that would be described as a legal retainer, and he would get the title of the president's personal lawyer. correspondent: it sounds like there is still a bit to get you to get to whether donald trump knew or ordered these payments. what do we expect to hear tomorrow? correspondent: we are still deep into the prosecution's questioning of michael...
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according to michael cohen, allen weisselberg was there too, but the jury hasn't heard from allen weisselberg. >> which they pointed out in the closing arguments. they said, where was dylan howard, where was keith schiller, where was allen weisselberg. >> and what the prosecution is going to do and it has this opportunity to address the jury is to say, you know what, there are a lot of other witnesses the defense didn't mention to you, like hope hicks, and david pecker who corroborate critical aspects of michael cohen's testimony and there are the documents that corroborate michael cohen's testimony, about the falsification scheme. so at the end of the day, there is a very, very small amount of michael cohen's testimony that is not corroborated by documents and other witnesses. and there is lots of circumstantial evidence to corroborate what michael cohen is saying about this particular part of the story. >> but would the prosecution then be able to now address why allen weisselberg is not there? will they be able to say in theirs because allen weisselberg is in rikers and is a totally unreli
according to michael cohen, allen weisselberg was there too, but the jury hasn't heard from allen weisselberg. >> which they pointed out in the closing arguments. they said, where was dylan howard, where was keith schiller, where was allen weisselberg. >> and what the prosecution is going to do and it has this opportunity to address the jury is to say, you know what, there are a lot of other witnesses the defense didn't mention to you, like hope hicks, and david pecker who...
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hoffinger said did you speak with allen weisselberg the next couple of days. cohen says yes, finalizing the details. talking about another call. this was at 7:23. i'll wait for the document to populate to figure out what exactly was happening. these are the bank statements and handwritten notes, talking about how they're going to pay off michael cohen. 180,000 paid to red finch for tech services he's called it, and the second page, exhibit 36 on trump letter head, michael cohen, 27th, pay through january 2017, a bonus of 50 grand, you see here on the screen. 180 grand for the tech services and the 130 to stormy daniels, times two for tax purposes. to take out the loan, michael cohen is going to have to pay taxes on it. that comes out to 410 grand. if you're going to pay over a 12-month period for quote unquote legal purposes, what's that month to month. weisselberg does the math and puts it at $35,000 a month starting in january 2017. mic to invoice, i don't know what that means right there. these are going to be key documents that i'm assuming are going to co
hoffinger said did you speak with allen weisselberg the next couple of days. cohen says yes, finalizing the details. talking about another call. this was at 7:23. i'll wait for the document to populate to figure out what exactly was happening. these are the bank statements and handwritten notes, talking about how they're going to pay off michael cohen. 180,000 paid to red finch for tech services he's called it, and the second page, exhibit 36 on trump letter head, michael cohen, 27th, pay...
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where was allen weisselberg during all of this? i don't know that i could resolve that to my satisfaction. >> i think there are three big ones. donald trump, allen weisselberg and keith schiller. we saw that photograph that was fought into evidence yesterday. brilliantly done by the district attorney. there is the photograph. there is donald trump's head and that red necktie is on keith schiller on your screen and that is at 7:57 p.m. on a night when michael cohen says he called keith schiller's cell phone at 8:02 p.m. to have keith schiller pass his phone to donald trump, because he knew they were together like that. he is his bodyguard and they are always together. so that he could have that conversation which lasted a minute and a half according to the cell phone records, getting the okay from donald trump on the stormy daniels payment. not the only okay he got, but one of them. keith schiller could have come into the courtroom and said i never got that phone call, i never handed the phone to donald trump. there are so many thin
where was allen weisselberg during all of this? i don't know that i could resolve that to my satisfaction. >> i think there are three big ones. donald trump, allen weisselberg and keith schiller. we saw that photograph that was fought into evidence yesterday. brilliantly done by the district attorney. there is the photograph. there is donald trump's head and that red necktie is on keith schiller on your screen and that is at 7:57 p.m. on a night when michael cohen says he called keith...
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and say to the jury argued to the jury in closing, folks, where's allen weisselberg? worst case, you would allow that? yes. >> can i request why the instruction i don't think really makes the end of the day that much instruction is permissive. >> it's right, it doesn't, it's such a week instruction in my experience, i'm not sure the jury pays as much attention to that as they do the closing argument where the defense stands up and says, hey, government has the burden of proof here and you heard was in that meeting, you never heard from this witness? >> what does that tell you about the about the people's case. we had a lot of talk about hung juries you you've been in the center street courthouse for you were and a very long time. can you estimate what percentage of criminal cases and in hung juries? >> very few. >> like five, 1%, i don't know. i mean, i've had to estimate dozens and dozens of cases, maybe hundreds. >> i don't think i had a hung jury. >> okay. well, that's a datapoint. >> i mean, do you know in the case of a hung jury, some people say it's usually take
and say to the jury argued to the jury in closing, folks, where's allen weisselberg? worst case, you would allow that? yes. >> can i request why the instruction i don't think really makes the end of the day that much instruction is permissive. >> it's right, it doesn't, it's such a week instruction in my experience, i'm not sure the jury pays as much attention to that as they do the closing argument where the defense stands up and says, hey, government has the burden of proof here...
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because allen weisselberg is in rikers island. he's in jail. and so they the judge said it would be helpful to me if you brought them in and we just asked them is you're going to start the fifth or is he going its requests? >> so care first of all, it was interesting to hear the judge basically say, hey, be great for me. so why don't the prosecution neither the prosecution nor the defense wants him anywhere near this courthouse. so i'd love to know the answer to that too, because allen weisselberg has been all over this trial the jury is going to notice that the jury is going to notice he's not here and he should testify for somebody. >> right. if he's not coming in for the prosecution, they're going to know why, but then they're going to wonder, why is he not testifying on behalf of donald trump when i was a prosecutor, i used to love, frankly, when my witnesses were incarcerated because i knew where to find them. i am i could have control over for them. i can make sure they could come to court, so there's no reason just because he's incarcera
because allen weisselberg is in rikers island. he's in jail. and so they the judge said it would be helpful to me if you brought them in and we just asked them is you're going to start the fifth or is he going its requests? >> so care first of all, it was interesting to hear the judge basically say, hey, be great for me. so why don't the prosecution neither the prosecution nor the defense wants him anywhere near this courthouse. so i'd love to know the answer to that too, because allen...
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question, did allen weisselberg say in front of mr. trump how much we were going to be paid in total? answer , "it was going to be divided by 12 and that they would actually start making the demons in february, not january, because there was a lot going on with mr. trump moving to d.c., the emigration, and so on." question, is it stated, did allen weisselberg state in front of mr. trump that you were going to receive $420,000.00 over the course of 12 months? " answer, "yes." what did mr. trump say at the time? answer, he approved it. he also said this is going to be one heck of a ride in d.c. did he say those monthly payments would be a retainer for legal services? answer, yes. question, did you say something to the effect that you had a sense they had spoken about this previously? answer, yes. why do you say that? because they always played that sort of game. i had been around that office more than enough to realize this conversation had already taken place between the two. when i asked for the 420, mr. trump said it is better to do i
question, did allen weisselberg say in front of mr. trump how much we were going to be paid in total? answer , "it was going to be divided by 12 and that they would actually start making the demons in february, not january, because there was a lot going on with mr. trump moving to d.c., the emigration, and so on." question, is it stated, did allen weisselberg state in front of mr. trump that you were going to receive $420,000.00 over the course of 12 months? " answer,...
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that's allen weisselberg. i've read his handwriting for about 35 years. >> the writing on the right side of the page is likely to turn out to be michael cohen's writing showing allen weisselberg why he was owed $50,000 more than the $130,000 he paid to stormy daniels. the $50,000 was for a previous expense he paid to affirm to rig online polls for donald trump. according to allen weisselberg's notes, he grossed up the $180,000-$360,000. question. what does grossed up in maine? answer i don't know exactly what it meant but he probably meant so for tax purposes if michael recorded $350,000 income he would net $180,000 assuming a 50% tax rate. allen weisselberg then added in his writing an annual bonus of $60,000 bringing the total to be paid to michael cohen to be $30,000 per month and then donald trump's signed checks to michael cohen for $35,000 per month were presented to the jury. my cross-examination of one of crops criminal -- trumps criminal defense lawyers asked if he ever spoke to donald trump. question
that's allen weisselberg. i've read his handwriting for about 35 years. >> the writing on the right side of the page is likely to turn out to be michael cohen's writing showing allen weisselberg why he was owed $50,000 more than the $130,000 he paid to stormy daniels. the $50,000 was for a previous expense he paid to affirm to rig online polls for donald trump. according to allen weisselberg's notes, he grossed up the $180,000-$360,000. question. what does grossed up in maine? answer i...
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donald trump, allen weisselberg, michael cohen. in this trial, michael cohen will be the only person who was in that room it will -- room who will offer under oath testimony about that room. the defense indicated there is no plan to call allen weisselberg to the witness stand, who could conceivably testify on behalf of donald trump and maybe say that meeting never took place. that testimony is not going to happen. the defense has all but admitted to the judge that donald trump will not testify, so the jury is going to be instructed that the lawyers questions are not evidence. testimony by witnesses is evidence that the jury can accept or reject, but questions by lawyers are not evidence. questions by lawyers proved nothing, so todd blanche's big moment today where he raised his voice to the loudest level we have heard in that very polite courtroom from anyone in that room, saying to michael cohen, that is a lie, is not evidence in this trial. the jury will be instructed to that effect. the only actual evidence we have in this trial
donald trump, allen weisselberg, michael cohen. in this trial, michael cohen will be the only person who was in that room it will -- room who will offer under oath testimony about that room. the defense indicated there is no plan to call allen weisselberg to the witness stand, who could conceivably testify on behalf of donald trump and maybe say that meeting never took place. that testimony is not going to happen. the defense has all but admitted to the judge that donald trump will not testify,...
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it's the defense that needs allen weisselberg. i think that's the way to put it. sorry. what do you think? >> what testimony should the prosecution really be focusing on tomorrow? as they work to connect all of these dots that they put forth over the last five weeks. >> i think they start at the beginning and i think that's the reason they had pecker be the first witness. he laid it all out. he talked about when they all first met and conceived of this conspiracy to rig the election, so to speak. and i think they go hello from there, gary farro, the banker. i think keith davidson, they all supported these payments to the doorman, to mcdougal, to daniels and then i think they focus on the witnesses that really worked. trump witnesses, but helped like hope hicks who said this was really for helping out as far as the election was concerned, normal quickly, the fact that the jury it has been out of court for a week. they got a full break for a week. >> does that benefit either side? the burden is on the prosecution, so perhaps it's a slight disadvantage, but on the other han
it's the defense that needs allen weisselberg. i think that's the way to put it. sorry. what do you think? >> what testimony should the prosecution really be focusing on tomorrow? as they work to connect all of these dots that they put forth over the last five weeks. >> i think they start at the beginning and i think that's the reason they had pecker be the first witness. he laid it all out. he talked about when they all first met and conceived of this conspiracy to rig the...
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with allen weisselberg and they talked about x, y, and z. do you believe and what he said he was on the phone those things might all be true, but it hinges on that one guy because all the other people involved are not on, especially in a situation here where the prosecutor you should made a mistake because what it looks like is that they were trying to sponsor a narrative with this witness and boy wants the jury gets a hold of that. that's troubling that's trouble for the prosecution. the room today, and clearly after the morning session in that moment and then they took a break, todd blanche says, now a good time for a break. >> and so they had that lunch break, but an hour or so for they came back in trump's demeanor in the courtroom was so different than it's been at any other point in this trial. typically, even when they're cross-examining stormy daniel's or other people, he said he sits back in his chair. he is his eyes closed for a sustained periods of time. he's passing notes. his attorneys furiously today, he had his body language s
with allen weisselberg and they talked about x, y, and z. do you believe and what he said he was on the phone those things might all be true, but it hinges on that one guy because all the other people involved are not on, especially in a situation here where the prosecutor you should made a mistake because what it looks like is that they were trying to sponsor a narrative with this witness and boy wants the jury gets a hold of that. that's troubling that's trouble for the prosecution. the room...
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again, allen weisselberg we don't expect to testify. that's what makes jeffrey mcconney's testimony so key here. they're going in january of 2017, beginning have to have a conversation about those checks that needed to get back to michael cohen, mcconney is saying. he's noting as the guy overseeing the ledger for the trump organization, the trump trust and his personal accounts, that allen weisselberg directed him to reimburse and oversee invoices sent to them by michael cohen, to have him reimbursed, as well as continue to add on money for bonus because, according to mcconney, cohen was frustrated by his bonus for the previous year. this is where we're going to be getting into the actual notes that mcconney had taken about how much was going to need to be sent to michael cohen. there were 11 checks, just to remind everybody. in 2017 there were 11 specific checks that went back to michael cohen. the first two checks were signed by allen weisselberg and don jr. coming from the trust. that was in february and march of 2017. the other nine
again, allen weisselberg we don't expect to testify. that's what makes jeffrey mcconney's testimony so key here. they're going in january of 2017, beginning have to have a conversation about those checks that needed to get back to michael cohen, mcconney is saying. he's noting as the guy overseeing the ledger for the trump organization, the trump trust and his personal accounts, that allen weisselberg directed him to reimburse and oversee invoices sent to them by michael cohen, to have him...
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officer to make that $130,000 hush money payment, but allen weisselberg basically said he was not in the financial position to do so. and that is how michael cohen describes how he became the one to front the money. so quite a lot of ground so far, that michael cohen covered. he talked earlier in testimony about how he was eager to please donald trump as his attack dog and that every single thing he did was at the direction of donald trump to get credit, to make sure donald trump was pleased with him. so vy much painting everything he did as for the benefit of donald trump and at his direction. christian: we already know from previous witnesses that donald trump didn't know about the payments and the payback. the prosecution has the show here that the entries into the business records were false entries and they have to show that he knowingly knew these payments were not legal expenses. does cohen do that? reporter: yes, there were some really interesting testimony earlier, where persecutors were essentially trying to elicit testimony that showed donald trump to efforts to conceal th
officer to make that $130,000 hush money payment, but allen weisselberg basically said he was not in the financial position to do so. and that is how michael cohen describes how he became the one to front the money. so quite a lot of ground so far, that michael cohen covered. he talked earlier in testimony about how he was eager to please donald trump as his attack dog and that every single thing he did was at the direction of donald trump to get credit, to make sure donald trump was pleased...
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that allen weisselberg, that document proves these could not have been legal fees. he divided i did port 20 by 12. he came up with $35,000 and the sitting president in the oval office wrote michael cohen $35,000 checks on his personal bank account and paid him $35,000 those weren't legal fees if they're not legal fees, they were reimbursements that makes it a crime. so those are the documents that's the testimony of 30 parties, including kopecks, very favorable to mr. trump. and so whether michael cohen made mistakes or is shouted out by hello, or whatever happens that is entertaining or a gotcha moment, which i can definitely understand. anderson, the documents speak for themselves testimony speaks for themselves, and we know that the jury will ultimately here the prosecution, some the case focus on the weisselberg argument he never said i'm sorry, go ahead, caitlin lanny, it's kaitlan. that answer that you just gave to anderson. there was a look a little over a minute, close to 90 seconds. that is how long the phone call was with keith schiller that night. and wha
that allen weisselberg, that document proves these could not have been legal fees. he divided i did port 20 by 12. he came up with $35,000 and the sitting president in the oval office wrote michael cohen $35,000 checks on his personal bank account and paid him $35,000 those weren't legal fees if they're not legal fees, they were reimbursements that makes it a crime. so those are the documents that's the testimony of 30 parties, including kopecks, very favorable to mr. trump. and so whether...
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weisselberg's notes, it's allen weisselberg's notes that speak louder than michael cohen's version his notes say $130,000 as part of the equation that led to $35,000 a month checks by donald trump, $130,000 cannot be legal. manny, we're not going to overtime each other. i don't want to have a conversation. i'm going to interject. thank you. >> so when you're talking about allen weisselberg's notes and this is important product, the actual, the audience is seeing that on the screen right now, are you raise these two points? >> the crux of the issue of course, are 34 counts of falsified business records. they have to indeed prove what you just talked about. in terms of falsified records. but that weisselberg document laying out the $420,000 reimbursement, $35,000 a month the defense tried to suggest that this was not as damaging as you suggest, because michael cohen padded part of the expenses. he lied about what was owed to him from the polling in company or that he submitted falsified documents, or perhaps even more importantly, that allen weisselberg's absence is a huge seed, a reason
weisselberg's notes, it's allen weisselberg's notes that speak louder than michael cohen's version his notes say $130,000 as part of the equation that led to $35,000 a month checks by donald trump, $130,000 cannot be legal. manny, we're not going to overtime each other. i don't want to have a conversation. i'm going to interject. thank you. >> so when you're talking about allen weisselberg's notes and this is important product, the actual, the audience is seeing that on the screen right...
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the defense has no such burden to call allen weisselberg or put on evidence about allen weisselberg. they can just wait until closing and pot shot everything that the prosecution did. so i think this is going to emerge as a major theme, the absence of allen weisselberg, and going back to the cross examination of michael cohen, i think it's helpful to take a step back and think about what are the goals of cross examination, and i think a lot of people have a misconception about the goals of cross examination, and i blame the movie "a few good men" and movies like that. they create this expectation that there's going to be this moment of high drama where a witness breaks down and they'll see the error of your ways. >> they won't say you can't handle the truth. >> i grew up thinking there would be tons of that when i went to law school. the reason for that is this. you don't need that in cross. really what you're looking for is concessions. concessions achieved through the use of leading questions, questions, which are for the most part answered yes or no. right. basically the lawyer is
the defense has no such burden to call allen weisselberg or put on evidence about allen weisselberg. they can just wait until closing and pot shot everything that the prosecution did. so i think this is going to emerge as a major theme, the absence of allen weisselberg, and going back to the cross examination of michael cohen, i think it's helpful to take a step back and think about what are the goals of cross examination, and i think a lot of people have a misconception about the goals of...
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allen weisselberg. without any question at all, has direct knowledge of what the president, former president knew when he actually knew it. and was directly involved with this entire process. the only other person who seems to be is somebody who's going to be testifying next week. >> and we're seeing just before it changed their emil beauvais was saying, there some procedural problems bringing him on as a witness because he was not on the prosecution's witness list. drug diverse. sean says he didn't think it was a possibility there. look, i'm wondering, does the defense want allen weisselberg on the stand i mean maybe if nobody wants him on the stand at this point because he's such an unpredictable potential witness? yeah. >> probably not really going to help them. right. so get out there and take the fifth. it was more helpful for them. the fact that he wasn't on the government's in this lesson every time i ask if he's going to be that this is not on that list, so he's not expected to be called and tha
allen weisselberg. without any question at all, has direct knowledge of what the president, former president knew when he actually knew it. and was directly involved with this entire process. the only other person who seems to be is somebody who's going to be testifying next week. >> and we're seeing just before it changed their emil beauvais was saying, there some procedural problems bringing him on as a witness because he was not on the prosecution's witness list. drug diverse. sean...
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you're not going to put up allen weisselberg because he's at rikers. you don't want to put donald trump up to explain it because he's up to so much cross-examination with his tweets, social media posts, truth social, what he said in his books, in press conferences, e jean carroll, plus the $5,000 fine, $10,000 fine, new york attorney general case. you're not going to put him up. you planted the seed, now move on. move on. the jury is not grasping this. you need to hit and move on. >> interesting, though, the sources of income during those years were substantial. he talks about at&t. he talks about this other organization that he worked with. >> they talk about novartis and how novartis paid him $100,000 a month. >> blanche says you never told trump about these clients. you told president trump you had six consulting agreements. cohen, i did not specifically tell mr. trump that, no. at some point he found out? cohen, i believe so. blanche, was he frustrated you signed a dealed with at&t and there was an objection which was sustained. >> your reaction to
you're not going to put up allen weisselberg because he's at rikers. you don't want to put donald trump up to explain it because he's up to so much cross-examination with his tweets, social media posts, truth social, what he said in his books, in press conferences, e jean carroll, plus the $5,000 fine, $10,000 fine, new york attorney general case. you're not going to put him up. you planted the seed, now move on. move on. the jury is not grasping this. you need to hit and move on. >>...
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he expressed to be just do it, meet up with allen weisselberg and figure this whole thing out. thanks very much for joining us. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. i'll be back in two hours, 6:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. starts right now cnn's breaking news. >> and welcome to the lead. i'm jake tapper and we continue to follow the breaking news out of manhattan and where the man at the center of the hush money payments scandal is testifying right now in donald trump's criminal trial, michael cohen is detailing exactly how he came to pay $130,000 to adult film star in director stormy daniels, who came forward about an alleged episode with donald trump in the days before the 2016 election cohen testified, not only did trump know about the uh, hundred $30,000 payment, but trump directly approved it and said that he would pay cohen back and the prosecution is using cohen's testimony to present both an offensive and defensive case offensively by establishing the cohen was the man behind the payments, not just to stormy daniel's, but also to 1998 playmate of the year, karen mc
he expressed to be just do it, meet up with allen weisselberg and figure this whole thing out. thanks very much for joining us. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. i'll be back in two hours, 6:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. starts right now cnn's breaking news. >> and welcome to the lead. i'm jake tapper and we continue to follow the breaking news out of manhattan and where the man at the center of the hush money payments scandal is testifying right now in donald trump's criminal...
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it also got in today the weisselberg piece when michael cohen said i can identify that as allen weisselberg's handwriting because i saw him write it. that's about as good as handwriting i.d. gets. michael cohen explains that's my writing over there explaining to alan what i needed and allen crosses it appear. what we didn't know was the next thing that was going to happen in the testimony is allen weisselberg and michael cohen were going to take that document down the hall and we were going to be and donald trump's office and michael: was then telling us what donald trump said about this and how he approved it and as you put it it was all there. that's where the final elements of what become the criminal charges all get put together is in that room. >> it was elegant because the prosecution had done such an effective job of getting evidence entered in to the record because if it's not in the record it can't be used. to lawrence's point, we saw this exhibit before. it had import through the former controller of the trump organization, but to have the nuance added from michael cohen's testimony
it also got in today the weisselberg piece when michael cohen said i can identify that as allen weisselberg's handwriting because i saw him write it. that's about as good as handwriting i.d. gets. michael cohen explains that's my writing over there explaining to alan what i needed and allen crosses it appear. what we didn't know was the next thing that was going to happen in the testimony is allen weisselberg and michael cohen were going to take that document down the hall and we were going to...
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where is allen weisselberg? he was the guy. you heard that from the prosecution and they didn't call him. >> so a couple days ago, you kind of said there was a possibility that trump would testify here. what do you think vis-a-vis weisselberg. >> i want to make clear, i was only taking that as an underdog, because if i were right, it would have been legendary. and of course, no one will remember that i'm obviously wrong. >> trial is not over yet. >> your credibility is on the line. >> what do you do with weisselberg? >> the prosecution is not calling him. they said so on friday. on friday, it became apparent they never even explored subpoenaing him. my sense is they decided long ago he is not someone they want to touch. they don't want to bring him in. they want to prove their case with documents and testimonial evidence that obviates the need for allen weisselberg. he's too risky. michael cohen you need, but allen weisselberg you don't necessarily need because you have his documents, his handwriting, people who interacted with
where is allen weisselberg? he was the guy. you heard that from the prosecution and they didn't call him. >> so a couple days ago, you kind of said there was a possibility that trump would testify here. what do you think vis-a-vis weisselberg. >> i want to make clear, i was only taking that as an underdog, because if i were right, it would have been legendary. and of course, no one will remember that i'm obviously wrong. >> trial is not over yet. >> your credibility is...
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the previous witness identified allen weisselberg's handwriting saying i been reading allen weisselberg's handwriting for 35 years. that's at the handwriting got in. it also got in today when michael cohen said, i can identify that is allen weisselberg's handwriting because i saw him write it. that's about as good as handwriting i.d. gets. then michael cohen explains that is my writing over there. i explained what i needed and -- what we did not know was the next thing that was going to happen in the testimony is allen weisselberg and michael cohen were going to take that document down the hall. we were going to be in donald trump's office, and michael cohen was then telling us what donald trump said about this and how he approved it. as you put it, it was all there. that is where the final elements of what become the criminal charges all get put together is in that room. >> you for there. >> it was elegant because the prosecution did such an effective job of getting evidence entered into the record because, remember, if it's not in the record it cannot be used. we saw this exhibit before
the previous witness identified allen weisselberg's handwriting saying i been reading allen weisselberg's handwriting for 35 years. that's at the handwriting got in. it also got in today when michael cohen said, i can identify that is allen weisselberg's handwriting because i saw him write it. that's about as good as handwriting i.d. gets. then michael cohen explains that is my writing over there. i explained what i needed and -- what we did not know was the next thing that was going to happen...
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trump and allen weisselberg? >> i think that he's made some strong points in that regard, but i do agree read that they should have been made sooner. jurors really start to lose it after about an hour-and-a-half or close to two hours. and i think the prosecution could end up making the same mistake this afternoon. >> adam, what do you think yeah, i think the prosecution was talking about a four-hour summation that's way too long for this case, it doesn't it doesn't need boy, i'm sorry, todd blanche again saying you're hearing everything from michael cohen. >> blanche says they showed the phone records than they showed him him calls, but we all know how that ended. didn't get to see the other one. but essentially saying to the jurors all this information is coming through mike how cohen and he's repeatedly line i'm sorry. go ahead yeah. >> no, just i think what we haven't heard from the defense's what people have been saying which is sort of a thematic consistent going over the big picture and really focusing on t
trump and allen weisselberg? >> i think that he's made some strong points in that regard, but i do agree read that they should have been made sooner. jurors really start to lose it after about an hour-and-a-half or close to two hours. and i think the prosecution could end up making the same mistake this afternoon. >> adam, what do you think yeah, i think the prosecution was talking about a four-hour summation that's way too long for this case, it doesn't it doesn't need boy, i'm...
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what struck me is the allen weisselberg. they wrote out how the reimbursement would work which presumably for the prosecution is pretty dampening. >> its strong. at some point, we will get into the question of how formidable is the testimony of michael cohen going to be? i think the prosecution has done a great job of laying the foundation of cooperation before michael cohen's testimony. he will come on the stan essay was not legal fees or a retainer. it was not legal services before this other purpose which prosecution alleges was illegal. rather than cooperating after the fact, they cooperated before the fact. is you when i and others have been talking about for months now, michael cohen has baggage. every witness who is testified to knows michael cohen has asked the question, has set the bar so low for michael cohen, i don't know he has to do as much as we have anticipated he needs to do. >> let me ask about the gag order. the judge threatened, if he violates his, he could put him in jail. what does that look like? it cou
what struck me is the allen weisselberg. they wrote out how the reimbursement would work which presumably for the prosecution is pretty dampening. >> its strong. at some point, we will get into the question of how formidable is the testimony of michael cohen going to be? i think the prosecution has done a great job of laying the foundation of cooperation before michael cohen's testimony. he will come on the stan essay was not legal fees or a retainer. it was not legal services before this...
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>> allen weisselberg and he says any deal goes through allen weisselberg, allen handled all the finances coming in and coming out. what's the point of this? lanny davis, if cohen says he has ten to 12 conversations with weisselberg about the mcdougal transaction. weisselberg is not a witness in this case. >> why hot document that was easy to dismiss the first time we saw, but it's coming back. i warn you that in weisselberg's handwriting is the amount of money that michael cohen was paid and it was for the purpose of reimbursing the crime for which he went to prison and all the diminishment of this case should never have been brought. and all of the disparagement of the case forgets to things. number one, michael cohen was prosecuted for that crime that people say, we shouldn't be worried about and went to prison for it for the hiding the hiding of the money money crime. >> yeah. >> he wanted to campaign finance violation. the federal prosecutors prosecuted me, pled guilty and went to prison. and secondly, the federal prosecutors called the so-called political case that david mocks and p
>> allen weisselberg and he says any deal goes through allen weisselberg, allen handled all the finances coming in and coming out. what's the point of this? lanny davis, if cohen says he has ten to 12 conversations with weisselberg about the mcdougal transaction. weisselberg is not a witness in this case. >> why hot document that was easy to dismiss the first time we saw, but it's coming back. i warn you that in weisselberg's handwriting is the amount of money that michael cohen was...
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because allen weisselberg is the connection to trump. there is no doubt that -- there should be doubt that he will actually take the stand. president trump will unlikely take the stand. the prosecutor has to show somehow these conversations are taking place with allen as an agent of trump. we know from the testimony yesterday morning michael cohen said that allen weisselberg worked very closely with former president trump. anything to do with the finances, they worked very closely together. so a conversation that michael cohen has with allen weisselberg imputes some criminality to trump. this is direct examination. from everyone that saw the examination, he was smooth, articulate, unemotional. he did what he needed to do as a prosecutor's key witness. >> bill: what i hear from turley and mccarthy is the consistent chime of where is the crime? can you identify it yet? >> i defer to them. they are the actual legal experts. i have been watching the program, listening to both of those gentlemen and others for days talk about this second crim
because allen weisselberg is the connection to trump. there is no doubt that -- there should be doubt that he will actually take the stand. president trump will unlikely take the stand. the prosecutor has to show somehow these conversations are taking place with allen as an agent of trump. we know from the testimony yesterday morning michael cohen said that allen weisselberg worked very closely with former president trump. anything to do with the finances, they worked very closely together. so...
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so where's allen weisselberg? prosecutors didn't bring him to you? where's he wears? keith schiller. they came that keith schiller was on the phone. they were talking about these payments and so on. where's keith schiller? i mean, that's the way you do it, which of course implies that prosecutors could have brought them and should have brought them and didn't bring them. and then the question is we were talking about this before. what kind of instructions do prosecutors get? about keith schiller who either side could have called if they wanted to. they'll probably get a missing witness charged with respect to him. but with allen weisselberg, who of course is in prison for perjury, having lied to protect donald trump at a previous trial, and who also would presumably invoke the fifth, right. and of course has the severance agreement where he's agreed not to voluntarily cooperate with law enforcement or he forgoes $2 million. so there are lots of reasons he's not there. the question is, if the defense raises it like that, i have to assume the judge gives an unavailable
so where's allen weisselberg? prosecutors didn't bring him to you? where's he wears? keith schiller. they came that keith schiller was on the phone. they were talking about these payments and so on. where's keith schiller? i mean, that's the way you do it, which of course implies that prosecutors could have brought them and should have brought them and didn't bring them. and then the question is we were talking about this before. what kind of instructions do prosecutors get? about keith...
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weisselberg, cohen walked the jury through the 34 allegedly falsified five documents testifying there was no retainer agreement. the money was payback for the daniels deal. >> there's $35,000 check was one of 11 check installments that was paid throughout the year while he was president, the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. >> trump attorney todd blanche has used cohen's own words to bolster their defense that cohen would say anything to take trump down and is out for revenge are truly and hope that this man ends up in prison that closing arguments are expected to go all day tomorrow and then on wednesday, the judge expects to instruct the jury on the law. >> that is what the prosecution
weisselberg, cohen walked the jury through the 34 allegedly falsified five documents testifying there was no retainer agreement. the money was payback for the daniels deal. >> there's $35,000 check was one of 11 check installments that was paid throughout the year while he was president, the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. >> trump attorney todd blanche has used...
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not calling allen weisselberg was the right call, we now know. he had to know it was the right call after the fact. we have to sit here knowing everything that was the right call by alvin bragg in this case. he had to know ahead of time. he could have said to josh steinglass, a 4 1/2 hour closing is too much. i need you to cut two hours. he didn't do that. he built his team, trusted his team and knew his team was capable of doing the perfect job they had to do to get to all counts guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and this is the story and in that room was the story of these two kids who grew up in new york. one, maybe the most spoiled brat in the history of american spoiled brats, donald trump. across the aisle from him is alvin bragg. alvin bragg grew up on a block in harlem that is called strivers road. his mother and father met in a small town in virginia in the eighth grade. they went to separate colleges. alvin bragg senior went to syracuse university. they came to new york and worked as professionals and they all have high hopes for the kid
not calling allen weisselberg was the right call, we now know. he had to know it was the right call after the fact. we have to sit here knowing everything that was the right call by alvin bragg in this case. he had to know ahead of time. he could have said to josh steinglass, a 4 1/2 hour closing is too much. i need you to cut two hours. he didn't do that. he built his team, trusted his team and knew his team was capable of doing the perfect job they had to do to get to all counts guilty beyond...
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did allen weisselberg, donald trump jr. eric trump know what was going on here because obviously they are not on trial. yes. weisselberg's document, i think the juror we're going to look at the document the way i first looked at it it has a numbers game divided by 12, right? no reference to legal services, right? it's a bonus doubled its paying for fake people to show up when he came down the escalator doubled its his out-of-pocket plus the money paid $130,000, doubled, adding to 430,000 divided by 12, the documents speaks for itself. there's no reference to legal fees for me. that was the end of the jurors have heard previous testimony that the payments changed in april from the revocable trust to trump's personal account? again, hoffman's you're just ask cohen, were any of those checks in fact, for work during the months described in those checks, stubs and cohen says, no, ma'am, the trump organization change the way that trump's personal expenses were being handled? that's the only significance there as and i'm sorry to
did allen weisselberg, donald trump jr. eric trump know what was going on here because obviously they are not on trial. yes. weisselberg's document, i think the juror we're going to look at the document the way i first looked at it it has a numbers game divided by 12, right? no reference to legal services, right? it's a bonus doubled its paying for fake people to show up when he came down the escalator doubled its his out-of-pocket plus the money paid $130,000, doubled, adding to 430,000...
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you and allen weisselberg to figure this out. the instructions given in a way we had not seen before. and there was also a moment where they took the wind out of the sale of the defense. argument to suggest that look, he's a liar and all capacities, why believe i'm always has one i lied routinely for donald trump. that was part of my job. he knew that i did that for the media, the other part was the big question everyone asks, why did he record that phone call or that that conversation between himself and donald trump? he says fronting the issue. i didca ibeuse i want p didker to remain loyal to tmpi did because i wanted to ow pecker that he didn't tend to pay the mone and i knew it was going tout off the phone clt otyeor the caage inhe end, but didn'matter already have whatde ieeha tt point. anhed therha 's coming across as authenti the jur or not, thateems like the biggest bunch of bowl. i m that he dold trump's personal attorney n isee quarterlrecording recording a phe call agast covers, ings of his own client that he'enth t g
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you and allen weisselberg to figure this out. the instructions given in a way we had not seen before. and there was also a moment where they took the wind out of the sale of the defense argument suggests that look, he's a liar and all capacities why believe and why he says one, i lied routinely for donald trump. that was part of my job. he knew that i did that and for the media, the other part was the big question everyone asks, why did he record that phone call or that that conversation between themselves? and donald trump? he says fronting the issue. i did it because i wanted david pecker to remain loyal to trump. i did because i wanted to show pecker that he didn't tend to pay the money. and i knew it was going to cut off the phone call at the end are the courage and the end, but it didn't matter. i already have what i needed at that point. and so whether that's coming across as but then took the jury or not, that seems like the biggest bunch of bowl. i mean, that so what he is arguing is that he donald trump's personal attorn
you and allen weisselberg to figure this out. the instructions given in a way we had not seen before. and there was also a moment where they took the wind out of the sale of the defense argument suggests that look, he's a liar and all capacities why believe and why he says one, i lied routinely for donald trump. that was part of my job. he knew that i did that and for the media, the other part was the big question everyone asks, why did he record that phone call or that that conversation...
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what do you do with a witness like allen weisselberg? but there were three people allegedly involved in this conspiracy. >> once the defendant ones and riker's and one is michael cohen, which is why this testimony and how they handle it, how he establishes credibility, and potentially how the defense under cuts it really will decide this case. well, if the judge is cleared this morning on that very point that you could not bring in that agreement that weisselberg and sign just for the purpose of showing that he was not available hello. bowl. that's that can't cut it for the actual jurors. it would not move the needle according to the judge, paula kristen standby, wolf laura, thank you very much. i'd only months ago, michael cohen described setting up the company that would be used to pay stormy daniels is just one day later, he testified about appearing with me in the situation room. are show here on cnn and said he was acting as a surrogate for then candidate donald trump. i remember that interview with cone. i remember it. well, the ac
what do you do with a witness like allen weisselberg? but there were three people allegedly involved in this conspiracy. >> once the defendant ones and riker's and one is michael cohen, which is why this testimony and how they handle it, how he establishes credibility, and potentially how the defense under cuts it really will decide this case. well, if the judge is cleared this morning on that very point that you could not bring in that agreement that weisselberg and sign just for the...
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weisselberg's notes on the actual documents that were actually the bank records that michael cohen had. the notes about how the repayment would be made. all of these things. so i think that is going to be very, very important for them. the defense on the other hand is going to hammer michael cohen's credibility and try to suggest that michael cohen was acting completely independently to the extent there was a conspiracy here, it was a conspiracy between michael cohen and david pecker and, you know, keith davidson, but not donald trump. >> the michael cohen acting
weisselberg's notes on the actual documents that were actually the bank records that michael cohen had. the notes about how the repayment would be made. all of these things. so i think that is going to be very, very important for them. the defense on the other hand is going to hammer michael cohen's credibility and try to suggest that michael cohen was acting completely independently to the extent there was a conspiracy here, it was a conspiracy between michael cohen and david pecker and, you...
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. >> how meaningful is it allen weisselberg won't testify in this? trump is the only the person of that potential-- >> and he's not going to take the stand, so the evidence stands. to ari's point what the jury did today, though, if michael cohen gets a search warrant executed on his home, and stuff gets taken from his home and law firm, right? why are you scrambling if you are trump to make sure that michael cohen, it's okay, i'm going to take care of you, and then you look at costello, sleep well tonight, because you have friends in high places, why are you trying so hard to protect michael cohen, unless he is a critical part of a conspiracy, or something you've done wrong, you want to keep him quiet and keep him close, because you want to know if he's going to flip, and the jury heard that. >> one thing that also, to your point about the criminal intent, which is that this underlying crime is this intent to commit essentially an election crime-- there have been a few moments from this trial where, the presence of that is in the ether as people are
. >> how meaningful is it allen weisselberg won't testify in this? trump is the only the person of that potential-- >> and he's not going to take the stand, so the evidence stands. to ari's point what the jury did today, though, if michael cohen gets a search warrant executed on his home, and stuff gets taken from his home and law firm, right? why are you scrambling if you are trump to make sure that michael cohen, it's okay, i'm going to take care of you, and then you look at...
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did he know and so the only three people that can testify about that are donald trump, allen weisselberg, and michael cohen there's corroboration of everything else. cohen said, but nothing on that meeting. so really comes in that meeting if they don't call weisselberg, that's something that as a defense, i would pound on that because there are two witnesses, they could have called. they only call one. they didn't call the other person and you should you can assume the reason they didn't call them was because he wasn't gonna help their case elise, how do you see that argument from the defense as a prosecutor, you're going in you have to justify not calling allen weisselberg. >> how do you fold that into your closing argument? >> yeah. and i'm sure the prosecution is anticipating that argument and they knew by not calling weisselberg, they were opening themselves up to that. i think how you handle it is by focusing on the evidence instead of getting to defensive, you just argue why it doesn't matter. and that's because you have corroboration yes. there were only three people in the room.
did he know and so the only three people that can testify about that are donald trump, allen weisselberg, and michael cohen there's corroboration of everything else. cohen said, but nothing on that meeting. so really comes in that meeting if they don't call weisselberg, that's something that as a defense, i would pound on that because there are two witnesses, they could have called. they only call one. they didn't call the other person and you should you can assume the reason they didn't call...
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allen weisselberg and michael cohen are sitting in new york, trying to save him from this, and shield him from it. he wasn't really responsible. that is what the defense is. you can see, though, the problem with it is that while he had so much going on, this was a major part of what he was focused on. >> couldn't you argue if you're the defense team that donald trump's obsession with documentation and money and the signing of checks, i mean, you can argue that when he was the head of the trump organization, and even as he was campaigning, that was occupying so much of his time, once he is the president elect, and he started to get national security briefings, and he's got to figure out who's in his cabinet, and he has all of these people ringing his bell, asking for favors, and he's got the world's attention on him, how is he going to be his president, that his attention, his focus isn't quite what it was on the trump organization. it doesn't matter to him the way it used to. maybe he was aware of all of that stuff before. when he was signing that check in the oval office, and sending
allen weisselberg and michael cohen are sitting in new york, trying to save him from this, and shield him from it. he wasn't really responsible. that is what the defense is. you can see, though, the problem with it is that while he had so much going on, this was a major part of what he was focused on. >> couldn't you argue if you're the defense team that donald trump's obsession with documentation and money and the signing of checks, i mean, you can argue that when he was the head of the...
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if the answer is called allen weisselberg, the jury. and again, we got to smart jury with two lawyers. these lawyers know that the state has to prove their case if there's no weisselberg, there may not be a case. so even if the jury believes who and even if they believe cohen, they still so maybe you wondering, where's weisselberg iri that's very, very interesting. robert hirshhorn, thank you very much for bringing that to us thank you, abby. >> and on that note, let's come out to the panel here. i mean, john where is allen weisselberg? he's all over michael cohen's testimony. but does he hang over this case at this point? he does right now. i mean, it's going to have to be addressed in the parties are currently in the process of talking to the judge about what's going to happen, right? prosecutors wanted to introduce the severance agreement that weisselberg had with the trump organization to explain why he's not available because all this money is still coming to him if he doesn't cooperate voluntarily with law enforcement, they said t
if the answer is called allen weisselberg, the jury. and again, we got to smart jury with two lawyers. these lawyers know that the state has to prove their case if there's no weisselberg, there may not be a case. so even if the jury believes who and even if they believe cohen, they still so maybe you wondering, where's weisselberg iri that's very, very interesting. robert hirshhorn, thank you very much for bringing that to us thank you, abby. >> and on that note, let's come out to the...
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she now, on the other side, the defense sayyed, they're going to say where is allen weisselberg? the people have the burden of proof. i have no burden of proof. the people have the burden of proof and the prosecutor didn't call that witness. it's a missing witness and weisselberg was the third man in the room at this alleged meeting. it wasn't just cohen and trump, it was weisselberg he would have they would have a lot to say if he would say, i think they're going to pound on the failure of proof and say the people have failed to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. there are also, of course, going to attack cohen's credibility. that's easy to do and they're gonna do it and judge, what about the fact that the jury's been away from the courtroom for a week. what kind of impact could that have well, that's not so great for for the defense because the last witness in the case was costello. >> and so what are they going to remember for five days was this? drains witness who was antagonizing the judge? clearly, they knew that the jury was aware of that jury was sent out the court
she now, on the other side, the defense sayyed, they're going to say where is allen weisselberg? the people have the burden of proof. i have no burden of proof. the people have the burden of proof and the prosecutor didn't call that witness. it's a missing witness and weisselberg was the third man in the room at this alleged meeting. it wasn't just cohen and trump, it was weisselberg he would have they would have a lot to say if he would say, i think they're going to pound on the failure of...
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you said allen weisselberg came up with that as a reason to do it. why was he thinking along those lines? >> i don't know, but one of the things that we have to understand is that -- in the office we used to call mr. trump and allen weisselberg frick and frack. they did everything together. there was nothing that was a surprise. they would pretent. it was bad acting. it was acting 101 where allen would come in and say, donald, we're going to pay michael in 12. oh, yeah, yeah, that's a great idea. as if he didn't already know what was going on. the concept of grossing it up was in order for me to take it as income, which i did, and i paid my taxes on my 50%, right, city, state, and federal tax. that's what -- that's how they wanted me to do it, so i said, okay. that's what i did. >> lawrence o'donnell is standing by and wants to ask you a question. lawrence, let me throw it to you. >> michael, thank you. >> lawrence, are you going to go through my entire life history too? because i'm a new yorker as well. >> exactly. well, you know, michael, i have to
you said allen weisselberg came up with that as a reason to do it. why was he thinking along those lines? >> i don't know, but one of the things that we have to understand is that -- in the office we used to call mr. trump and allen weisselberg frick and frack. they did everything together. there was nothing that was a surprise. they would pretent. it was bad acting. it was acting 101 where allen would come in and say, donald, we're going to pay michael in 12. oh, yeah, yeah, that's a...