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quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he came across as credible. i don't think donald trump's defense team really made a dent in his testimony. and by the time they get to closing arguments i think the highlights of testimony will be what the jurors remember. and, the fact that he was such a strong prosecution witness, pretty calm and collected going to the whole thing on the witness stand. he was pretty unflappable. you know, it's interesting to watch how donald trump is reacting to this. that was his friend. he didn't attack him unlike other witnesses. i wonder why. pecker knows
quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he...
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former national inquirer publisher, david pecker, was the first to take the stand. testifying that he suppressed story about trump's scandals and spread lies about his rivals in the 2016 race. also known as fake news. pecker said he served as the " eyes and ears for the campaign at trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when court reconvenes, tuesday morning, there will be more testimony from the banker, who helped michael cohen pay off stormy daniels. now, here's some food for thought. as we hurtle into week two of trump's hush money election interference trial. if the supreme court rules as expected in the immunity case the case brought by district attorney alvin bragg could be trump's first and last criminal trial before the election. joining me now from a former federal prosecutor, legal affairs columnist for politico magazine. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst, anthony coley, director of the justi
former national inquirer publisher, david pecker, was the first to take the stand. testifying that he suppressed story about trump's scandals and spread lies about his rivals in the 2016 race. also known as fake news. pecker said he served as the " eyes and ears for the campaign at trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when...
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they tried with his -- the fact that david pecker himself entered into a non pros. cushion agreement, but that doesn't mean that he's lying on the stand. it seems to be very credible. >> now, pecker also detailed making a payout to former playmate karen mcdougal to silence her account of an alleged affair with trump. yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former white house staffer, hope hicks and sarah sanders, about an extension of mcdougal's hush money contract on a call with the white house. what do you think the jury took from all of that? >> well, i think that the jury can very easily take the fact that this was an organized scheme. this wasn't just the national enquirer, for example, acting on its own, buying stories that they just didn't want published in competitive -- in competitor's news publications, they were doing this for the purpose, for donald trump, to give him a benefit, a presidential benefit, a campaign benefit that. is
they tried with his -- the fact that david pecker himself entered into a non pros. cushion agreement, but that doesn't mean that he's lying on the stand. it seems to be very credible. >> now, pecker also detailed making a payout to former playmate karen mcdougal to silence her account of an alleged affair with trump. yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former...
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david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more colloquial meaning if you have ever watched a mafia movie. they are saying they conspired together. they also attack the whole conspiracy theory, that he attacked through unlawful means. it would be needed to supersize this misdemeanor of financial fraud into a felony case. the trough defense has kind of said, well, maybe the da is being alarmist about what amounts to, however dirty, politics as usual. that is how they argue it. some proclaim there is nothing wrong with trying to influence and to collection. it is called democracy. the da h
david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more...
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david pecker did that. and on behalf of david pecker, he actually provided fodder for the prosecution to bolster everything he said a. once you establish that, it is easy for her to step in and say, i kept the rolodex and knew about some of the documents and the business records and for them to say this has been involved with these organizations. but i've been set up for mr. cohen that when he takes the stand he's only confirming. >> this comes after three days of testimony and you talk about david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer. will the hoping to establish and how engaged was the jury while listening to it? >> i was in the overflow room but the david pecker testimony was exactly what the prosecutors want to because he gave the foundation that everything that trump did -- everything that david pecker did after august 2015 when trump, michael cohen, and david pecker met and huddled and came up with a catch and kill scheme. all of this was in furtherance of the trump campaign and to he
david pecker did that. and on behalf of david pecker, he actually provided fodder for the prosecution to bolster everything he said a. once you establish that, it is easy for her to step in and say, i kept the rolodex and knew about some of the documents and the business records and for them to say this has been involved with these organizations. but i've been set up for mr. cohen that when he takes the stand he's only confirming. >> this comes after three days of testimony and you talk...
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what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that would be damaging so, to make sure those stories didn't see the light of day. however, what is really significant, for the conversations pecker testified, dealing directly with donald trump. both before the election and after the election. before the election, testified about talking to him about the story, trying to kill the story with karen mcdougal. after the election, he testified about conversations where donald trump thanked him for making sure those damaging stories did not see the light of day. the defense tried to act as though this was all business as usual, but that really backfired, becau
what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that...
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then he even says, pecker is a nice guy. sending the message to pecker. how do you think the judge should proceed? >> they say, if you say to your child, be home by midnight, and your child comes home at 12:30, he will keep coming home at 12:30. when judges rule and are very clear about what is permissible or not permissible, and there is a direct violation of that ruling, it will continue to happen. i expect judge mershon. i think that is exactly what will happen. judge merchan will find 10 or 12 violations of the gag order and find the defendant for violating that. and violating the judicial rulings. the direct violations of the gag order. you are referencing this earlier. you are loosening all credibility with the court. talk to me about what you expect to see with the gag order. is there any way that puts them in bond bars -- behind bars for a day? look, he's been strong in the court. generally, he told trump to sit down and he sits down. he's been diminished. that's the good news. he doesn't have much to work with. he has these fines of $1000 of viol
then he even says, pecker is a nice guy. sending the message to pecker. how do you think the judge should proceed? >> they say, if you say to your child, be home by midnight, and your child comes home at 12:30, he will keep coming home at 12:30. when judges rule and are very clear about what is permissible or not permissible, and there is a direct violation of that ruling, it will continue to happen. i expect judge mershon. i think that is exactly what will happen. judge merchan will find...
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david pecker . correct. court cannot be back in session until tuesday but the breakdown is happening right now. running me is joyce vance and hugo lowell. we were in new york at the same time for this title. david credibility. he was saying donald trump, he considered to be his mentor. yet, to his credit, even on cross examination by the defense attorney for donald trump, david pecker stood his ground. he held the line and said this was all to help influence the outcome by benefiting donald trump's campaign. >> "the national enquirer" wanted to protect this trump and this came through all through the testimony. it was extremely significant because trump was hoping or trumps lawyers were hoping to a certain extent they would be able to suggest that he was disgruntled, that they hadn't been friends for some time. they didn't have close connections anymore. but, with david pecker going on the stand and say i find as a mentor and i like his business deals and consider him a good guy as far as he was concerned, i
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david pecker, over the course of four days he testified about crucial 2015 meeting between himself, trump and trump's then personal lawyer michael cohen. prosecutors allege that it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. that strategy came to be known as catch and kill. now it may not seem like there are any similarities between trump's criminal trial in new york and the fake elector scheme but for one thing both involve the falsification of documents or records. on top of that both cases allege the former president worked with others in addition to a crime. 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort. six others in nevada have been similarly charged. in georgia last summer the fulton county district attorney pressed racketeering charges against trump and 18 others. that is a charge that is typically used to take down organized crime. four of those defendants have since reached plea agreements with prosecutors. fulton county is th
david pecker, over the course of four days he testified about crucial 2015 meeting between himself, trump and trump's then personal lawyer michael cohen. prosecutors allege that it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. that strategy came to be known as catch and kill. now it may not seem like there are any similarities between trump's criminal trial in new york and the fake elector scheme...
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over the course of four days, david pecker testified about a crucial meeting between himself, trump, and trumps the personal and fixer michael cohen. prosecutors allege it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help donald trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. the strategy came to be known as "catch and kill." catch a story and kill it. it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps trial in new york and that the collectors scheme about, for one thing, both of them involve the falsification of documents and records. both cases alleged the former president worked with others ind furtherance of a crime. in addition to the 18 people charged in arizona this week, as i mentioned, 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort in that state. six others in nevada have been charged and in georgia last summer, the fulton county district attorney rest racketeering charges against trump and 18 others, a charge typically used to take down organized crime. four of th
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pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with pecker to not beat him up on the stand. he still considers donald trump a friend. i am interesting -- i think it will be fascinating. she, again, has known him for so long. she was working at star magazine that she goes way back with donald trump. >> she was in that crucial meeting in august 2015 where they cooked up this plan where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and she was walking in and out of the meeting. what did she hear? i think that will go to corroborate michael cohen when he gets on the ste
pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with...
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david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also undermined the idea that trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, he said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania trump happy birthday. >> reporter: melania trump was notably absent at trial. >> court will not based on session monday so the trial resumes tuesday at 9:30. with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel, john allen, politics reporter for nbc. eugene scott, senior politics reporter fracks yes, and the former federal prosecutor and senior writer for political magazine. thank you for joining us. trump's former longtime executive assistant testified for half an hour. she was known as "the gatekeeper" and set a company directory and numbers for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. she also said the trump organization was paying her legal bills. why, what did the prosecution gain from her testimony? >> they introduced a small fact, which i
david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also undermined the idea that trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, he said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania trump happy birthday. >> reporter: melania trump was notably absent at trial. >> court will not based on session...
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witness, david pecker, largely stood his ground despite trump's legal team attempting to undermine his testimony by claiming the deals to bury stories like karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this w
witness, david pecker, largely stood his ground despite trump's legal team attempting to undermine his testimony by claiming the deals to bury stories like karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which...
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it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured. right down to the doctored photo. however bad it looks they said it was not a trump campaign thing. it is just how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal. pecker said the agreement i had with arnold is i would advise him about stories out there. acquire them. buy them for a period of time. defense highlighting cohen didn't pay him back for the mcdougal story to get jurors to doubt if this was a trump campaign thing. i spoke to h
it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously...
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the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to move into, okay, how are these records, how are these payments booked internally within the trump organization. maybe next week or the following week, at some point, the trial needs to get there. that is the meat and potatoes of the actual charges against trump. >> eugene, trump keeps complaining about the trial keeping him off the campaign trail and wednesday, when, you know, wednesday was his one day off from court this week, and he went golfing. obviously, he doesn't want to be in court but is it fair to say he doesn't seem to care that much about campaigning eithe
the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to...
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let's go back to the idea of david pecker. the defense team, the trump team was trying to make this come across as standard. this catch and kill idea is standard, happens to a lot of people. and pecker was saying this was actually in furtherance of something more serious. this wasn't the typical catch a story and kill it. there are probably reasons why you would take on a story, pay somebody for it and kill it, but pecker said the unfinished part and this was in furtherance of what donald trump was trying to achieve. >> absolutely and that came across on redirect examination. what happened was the defense attorney has presented what one would call the casablanca defense. there is gambling. ami does this over and over again, that they by people stories. not unusual. in the prosecutor on redirect honed in on the differences. that there has never, even though they have, ami has quashed stories of celebrities and even political figures in the past, they have never been the eyes and ears of a presidential campaign. they have never
let's go back to the idea of david pecker. the defense team, the trump team was trying to make this come across as standard. this catch and kill idea is standard, happens to a lot of people. and pecker was saying this was actually in furtherance of something more serious. this wasn't the typical catch a story and kill it. there are probably reasons why you would take on a story, pay somebody for it and kill it, but pecker said the unfinished part and this was in furtherance of what donald trump...
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pecker. we will talk about how that went in just a second, but today we got to see the prosecution second witness. someone who worked closely with donald trump for decades, including on tv. >> hi, good morning, this is mr. trump's office. >> hi, good morning. mr. trump would like to meet you at 9:00 at tavern on the green. >> good morning, it is rhona calling. mr. trump is meeting with miss universe at trump model management. do you think you'll be ready? >> we can do it. thanks, rhona. >> thanks, rhona. rhona graff, donald trump's longtime executive assistant and occasional costar on the apprentice. the prosecution appears to have called her because she is the person who handled trump's calendar and contacts and email, which trump himself does not use. ms. graf appeared in court under subpoena and testified her legal bills were being paid for by the trump organization, even though she does not work there anymore. so while rhona graff was not a hostile witness, it is a safe bet she didn't rea
pecker. we will talk about how that went in just a second, but today we got to see the prosecution second witness. someone who worked closely with donald trump for decades, including on tv. >> hi, good morning, this is mr. trump's office. >> hi, good morning. mr. trump would like to meet you at 9:00 at tavern on the green. >> good morning, it is rhona calling. mr. trump is meeting with miss universe at trump model management. do you think you'll be ready? >> we can do...
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so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire karen mcdougal's lifetime rate ? david pecker responded, "yes, that is correct." "i called michael cohen, i said the agreement, the assignment deal is off. i'm not going forward. it is a bad idea. i want you to rip up the agreement. " in other words, david pecker had a brush with this in the past, campaign finance law and how it is located in a catch and kill scheme for a candidate, thought about them doing the same thing here, had a talk with his lawyer, decided receiving the money for the express purpose of paying off trum
so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire...
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pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. to which pecker answered, correct. and before the court wrapped for the week, the jury heard from two other witnesses, first was trump's longtime assistant and gate keeper, rhona graff, for a brief line of questioning authenticating both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' contact information were in trump's computer. during cross-examination, she did admit to hearing conversations about daniels potentially being thought of as a contestant for celebrity apprentice. the other witness is much more obsc
pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have...
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pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger, the deal i had with an nold, i would acquire them, buy them for a period of time. defense saying cohen didn't pay the enquirer back for the mcdougall story. that's trying to get the jurors to doubt whether this was a trump campaign thing or maybe just an enquirer thing. now mcdougall, who you see on the screen, i spoke to her lawyer back in 2019, keith davidson, who told us this. >> the affairs happened in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011. so at a minimum they knew about
pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up...
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the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of our most favorite reports and friends. two people inside the courtroom today, investigative reporter susan craig and former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. lucky for us, andrew is still here as is lockland. sue, we start with you and your wonderful notebook. >> i have to say i think the most interesting part of today was the contination of that agreement that karen mcdougal had. donald trump's lawyers really tried to muddy the water on it. put some poison in the ear that karen mcdougal got someth
the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of...
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pecker says yes. prosecutor, at the time you entered into the agreement you had zero intention of publication, even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. pecker said yes. during the defense cross-examination, they're trying to get out of pecker that this was standard practice, buying these stories, catching and killing, was something they did all the time, and here's the prosecution trying to say no. this was special. were they able to achieve that. >> the defense's argument was you did this for all kinds of celebrities not just donald trump. on redirect, they're saying, was there anything like this relationship with donald trump. the answer, no. and i have to say as soon as david pecker's testimony concluded, celebrity everywhere must have been breathing a sigh of relief. a lot of them got hit with shrapnel. he name dropped a lot of people who probably would have preferred they weren't being named in this testimony. that was part of the exc
pecker says yes. prosecutor, at the time you entered into the agreement you had zero intention of publication, even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. pecker said yes. during the defense cross-examination, they're trying to get out of pecker that this was standard practice, buying these stories, catching and killing, was something they did all the time, and here's the prosecution trying to say no. this was special. were they able...
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former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and
former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard...
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pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's going to lose money from this deal with trying to sell the "national enquirer" and that's also why mr. bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross exa
pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's...
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let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the
let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was...
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david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're currently discussing now is david pecker on january of 2017 walking into a trump tower meeting, just weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president, a meeting that included the likes of reince priebus, sean spicer and james comey and they're getting into the gritty details of exactly what david pecker's role is a part of all of these meetings was and the extent to which donald trump was using these opportunities to ensure the silence of some of these key figures. jose? >> this is a continuing issue, this meeting and as well as o
david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're...
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pecker answers yes. so clearly the idea, the challenged memory, challenge his credibility, do you think that's effective? >> it's minimally effective. i mean, they're suggesting that the prosecutor refreshed his memory and he's saying what the prosecutor wants, but remember, all these other celebrities you started to think maybe this is the david pecker show. with schwarzenegger, for example. all we know is what was in the tabloid media so we don't have any inside information, but it surely appeared that part of his motive was to protect his marriage because we saw publicly that when this all came out about his mistress and the child that his marriage broke out. well, i think they're going to be going there and suggesting with trump that there were alternate motives and the people are not able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was to influence the election. >> but that piece was something that the prosecution got out in front of yesterday in its questioning of david pecker and perhaps it will co
pecker answers yes. so clearly the idea, the challenged memory, challenge his credibility, do you think that's effective? >> it's minimally effective. i mean, they're suggesting that the prosecutor refreshed his memory and he's saying what the prosecutor wants, but remember, all these other celebrities you started to think maybe this is the david pecker show. with schwarzenegger, for example. all we know is what was in the tabloid media so we don't have any inside information, but it...
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pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy will be to expose the limits of this witness' testimony. he tells a lot of the story about catch and kill to elect the president, but what he doesn't do, necessarily, is put trump in the room or know what was inside of trump's mind. so what we may see on cross-examination today is more of an effort to reign in the impact that his testimony has on the jury when it comes to donald trump and what he thought, knew, and did. >> we will be watching. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, thank you so much, as always. >>> susan glasser, getting back to your piece about "king donald's day at t
pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy...
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>> oh, david pecker is the star witness for the people. and that may be a bold statement because so far he's been the only witness, but there are a few points why he must be. number one, they never would have called him first if he wasn't a solid witness. and number two, who isn't fascinated by this expose of how tabloid checkbook journalism works. i found it fascinating, and if you're fascinated as a juror, you're definitely listening. point three, he's part of a character i call a skoundological in that he's unabashed, unashamed of what he does. when you have witnesses like that, jurors kind of like them. they realize they are who they are, and they will listen to them and find them credible. as to that credibility, he has somewhat less credibility issues than michael cohen. so i think a very effective witness for the state and a really tough witness to cross for the defense. >> we don't use the word scoundrel enough in our coverage enough, danny cevallos. thank you for joining us and giving us new vocab words. >>> still ahead we'll look
>> oh, david pecker is the star witness for the people. and that may be a bold statement because so far he's been the only witness, but there are a few points why he must be. number one, they never would have called him first if he wasn't a solid witness. and number two, who isn't fascinated by this expose of how tabloid checkbook journalism works. i found it fascinating, and if you're fascinated as a juror, you're definitely listening. point three, he's part of a character i call a...
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one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of burying stories and get him happy and contribute daand all that stuff. and then once trump's campaign started in 2015 and 2017, that's when pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. i mean prosecution said in their opening statement monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone -- paid anyone for information about trump. it's a qualitatively different process at that point. >> i agree with that and the payments were abnormal even by enquirer standards. pecker testified a
one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for...
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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david pecker and trump. that the conversation during which and said trump said to him, yet again, how is karen? >> is the implication of "house or girl," and "how's karen?" is she holding to agreement? >> is she and is she happy with what you've offered. talked on direct about the fact that karen mcdougal thought this was a serious arrangement. she was trying to forward her career and wanted to do red carpet interviews, she wanted to write columns in some of the fitness magazines, so at one point, david pecker has her come to new york and they have a meeting where he hears her out about her various complaints about her contractual arrangement with american media. why? he wants to come in his words, keep her in the family. hold her close. >> it's sad and sordid. i did think, as i was reading our notes on the internal slack , because we don't have the transcript, that the john edwards case is like, the closest parallel we have particularly because that ended up in acquittal, because that was this question of w
david pecker and trump. that the conversation during which and said trump said to him, yet again, how is karen? >> is the implication of "house or girl," and "how's karen?" is she holding to agreement? >> is she and is she happy with what you've offered. talked on direct about the fact that karen mcdougal thought this was a serious arrangement. she was trying to forward her career and wanted to do red carpet interviews, she wanted to write columns in some of the...
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testified today about the payment his company did make the former playboy model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet. pecker said he coor
pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she...
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and pecker said the campaign. and as to elaborate on that, because as to his personal opinion why did he think that, trump never spoke about ivanka, ever spoke about melania. he spoke about the campaign over and over again. and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and
and pecker said the campaign. and as to elaborate on that, because as to his personal opinion why did he think that, trump never spoke about ivanka, ever spoke about melania. he spoke about the campaign over and over again. and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the...
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and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of reading stories and trying to keep him happy and trying to get them to contribute and all of that stuff and then once trump campaign started in 2015 and 2016, that is when david pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. persecution said in their opening statement on monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone, paid anyone for information about trump. it is qualitatively process at that point. >> i agree with that. and,
and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to...
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>> a friend of pecker. you're on a no-fly list which means you're a protected species and there are no negative stories about you, and harvey weinstein inked a deal to produce something called radar tv, which never came to fruition, but it contained a lot of meetings between dylan howard and harvey weinstein, and requested came my way for damaging information on women that went on to recuse harvey weinstein of sexual assault. >> let's talk about these various meetings that pecker winds up in the white house. >> there were a couple really memorable meetings that david pecker talked about today. one involved a meeting right after donald trump is elected. and he gets a call from donald trump's secretary saying the president-elect would like to see you. david pecker comes over to trump tower and he's a bit overwhelmed by all the security. and jared kushner sees him and taps him on the shoulder and says come with me. he escorts david pecker up to trump's office. he walks in and he sees this incredible assembly o
>> a friend of pecker. you're on a no-fly list which means you're a protected species and there are no negative stories about you, and harvey weinstein inked a deal to produce something called radar tv, which never came to fruition, but it contained a lot of meetings between dylan howard and harvey weinstein, and requested came my way for damaging information on women that went on to recuse harvey weinstein of sexual assault. >> let's talk about these various meetings that pecker...
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the testimony of david pecker and much more with special coverage beginning at 8 p.m. eastern. rachel maddow and all of our primetime friends will be here for the coverage. i'll be back. now the beat with ari melber. hi, ari. >> we have a lot to get to. i will see you at 8. >> welcome to the beat. i'm ari melber. these are extraordinary times. we're watching history unfold at the supreme court which heard arguments about putting a president on trial. historic, unprecedented, all the words are true about this one. no other president has been indicted like this. trump's lawyers arguing he should be immune, basically totally immune because he was president during those efforts. that is a new relatively made up claim which they lost unanimously before the respected d.c. court of appeals. keep that in mind. that is the recent precedent and context for today, and you may remember that was the now infamous hearing where the trump lawyer openly claimed that as president trump could have a license to kill american opponents. that was the kind of chilling talk that many, many people acro
the testimony of david pecker and much more with special coverage beginning at 8 p.m. eastern. rachel maddow and all of our primetime friends will be here for the coverage. i'll be back. now the beat with ari melber. hi, ari. >> we have a lot to get to. i will see you at 8. >> welcome to the beat. i'm ari melber. these are extraordinary times. we're watching history unfold at the supreme court which heard arguments about putting a president on trial. historic, unprecedented, all the...
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pecker yes, it was. steinglass, then asked, were you aware that expenditures made by corporations for the purpose of influencing an election are unlawful? yes, pecker responded. then steinglass, the prosecutor, asked pecker why he bought mcdougal's story. pecker said, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any other organization. we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. all of this laying the groundwork for what happened later in 2016 when pecker heard the story about trump and adult film star stormy daniels. keep in mind, pecker heard about it, one day after the "access hollywood" tape exploded the presidential campaign landscape, when it was released and made public. the trump campaign was in frantic damage control mode. pecker said that cohen in that time period asked him to pay for stormy daniels' story and even in that frantic damage control moment pecker refused, telling cohen, quote, i'm not purchasing the story. i'm not going to be involved
pecker yes, it was. steinglass, then asked, were you aware that expenditures made by corporations for the purpose of influencing an election are unlawful? yes, pecker responded. then steinglass, the prosecutor, asked pecker why he bought mcdougal's story. pecker said, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any other organization. we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. all of this laying the groundwork for what happened later in 2016...
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david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me -- melania. and pecker said it was more about the campaign. >> it's on two levels. legally it's important. to have the campaign finance why it's a felony, this is so called john edwards defense, i did this for my family, not the campaign. the principal with the agreement with the other principal, david becker, donald trump. to have him say this was about the campaign, not his personal family goes directly to the legal theory. on the emotional side, just imagine you're a juror, you're in court, donald trump is sitting
david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me...
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they've been so good, the pecker headlines. it's been amusing. but pecker back today. lisa rubin, the interesting point i think danny was building on, and your thoughts on what you expect today, you saw in the pecker testimony him really laying out plans for certain stories. even saying about a story that turned out not to be that -- not to really have legs was about the doorman and some baby, illegitimate child, and how he'd wait until after the election to put that story out if he could get more on it. showing really that they were framing everything they were doing around the election. >> he said it had to do with the election. it wasn't to protect trump personally, like they were saying. everything was timed for the election. >> exactly. lisa, with that in mind, what are you looking for today? >> i'm looking for more evidence, mika, of direct conversations between pecker and trump. he started in august 2015 at trump tower. he ended the other day starting to talk about a phone call they had in june 2016 when trump called him up to say michael cohen had informed him
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testimony will get under way with former national enquirer publisher david pecker, set to take the witness stand for a third day. prosecutors wrapped up on tuesday after pecker described an alleged catch and kill scheme that he participated in to cover up an alleged affair between trump and playboy model karen mcdougal. at the same time, judge juan merchan could also rule today on whether the former president violated his gag order. yesterday key witnesses in former trump attorney michael cohen stated he would stop posting or speaking publicly about the trial until after its conclusion. cohen is not under a gag order but has been the target of many of trump's recent rants. though donald trump gave an interview to the abc affiliate in philadelphia this week where he criticized michael cohen, and now one of trump's former attorneys is weighing in on those remarks. here's what trump said followed by new comments from his former lawyer, tim parlator. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar, and he's not no credibility whatsoever. he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a
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well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. >>> still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests. tomorrow morning the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. for everything he did while he was president? that's next. these bills are crae has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. hi, i'm jason. i've lost 228 pounds on golo. ♪ i don't ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break.
well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. >>> still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests. tomorrow morning the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's...
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yet, he has been radio silent when it comes to david pecker . he is railing on michael: every day tomorrow and yesterday. what does that tell you about david pecker? >> it tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she is still going to give him a solid in the documents case in florida. with respect to david pecker it is either because sometime he thinks david is going to do him a solid in his testimony come tomorrow. i think that's unlikely because pecker is under a non-prosecute agreement. if he starts saying good stuff he could be prosecuted. or, pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried so he's a threat. he doesn't want to antagonize pecker but he also hasn't said anything bad about hope, so i think maybe he's trying to see who his true enemies are and who still may hold out and do a little something for the donald. >> harry, my colleague, john allen, wrote an interesting piece today for he said trump's legal team is spending an enormous amount of time discuss
yet, he has been radio silent when it comes to david pecker . he is railing on michael: every day tomorrow and yesterday. what does that tell you about david pecker? >> it tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she is still going to give him a solid in the documents case in florida. with respect to david pecker it is either because sometime he thinks david is going to do him a solid in his testimony come tomorrow. i...
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when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests in gaza. but first, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. sharp, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. e he was president? that's next. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take
when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests in gaza. but first, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. sharp, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's...
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what does that tell you about pecker that trump mums the word? >> tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she's going to do him a solid in the documents case in florida. it's because somehow he thinks david pecker is going to do him a solid in his testimony tomorrow. i think that unlikely. if he flips the script and starts saying good stuff for trump the prosecutors don't anticipate, pecker will be in trouble because he's going to be prosecuted. >> let's go to the or. >> the or is pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried. >> bingo. >> he's a threat and he doesn't want to antagonize pecker, but he also hasn't said anything bad about hope hicks. i think maybe he's trying to see who his true enemies are and who still may hold out and do a little something for the donald. >> trump fears the pecker. harry, my colleague john allen wrote an interesting piece today where he said trump's legal team is spending an enormous amount of time discussing that donald trump shou
what does that tell you about pecker that trump mums the word? >> tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he thinks she's going to do him a solid in the documents case in florida. it's because somehow he thinks david pecker is going to do him a solid in his testimony tomorrow. i think that unlikely. if he flips the script and starts saying good stuff for trump the prosecutors don't anticipate, pecker will be in trouble because...
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that is what is exactly the same with david pecker and the inquirer. this is about a financial relationship. they believe they have a fiduciary , they believe this is the responsibility they have to the shareholders, to keep the pro-trump propaganda going, to keep the viewers watching and then you will see on the air on fox when they interview voters, the voters are saying the exact same things jesse watters is saying. >> it is a feedback loop . from a legal perspective, this seems like terra incognito, to some degree. i was struck by last week when the jurors, multiple jurors were saying i am worried about my safety. judge juan merchan set i'm directing the press apply common sense and refrain from writing about anything that has to do, for example, with physical descriptions of the jurors. that is not necessary, it serves no purpose. he is asking the press and that included the mainstream press, frankly, is his ability to circumscribe the amount of information put out there as it concerns the press reduced to just request or is there anything legally
that is what is exactly the same with david pecker and the inquirer. this is about a financial relationship. they believe they have a fiduciary , they believe this is the responsibility they have to the shareholders, to keep the pro-trump propaganda going, to keep the viewers watching and then you will see on the air on fox when they interview voters, the voters are saying the exact same things jesse watters is saying. >> it is a feedback loop . from a legal perspective, this seems like...
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on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it was false from the start. in other words, sometimes you have something come out, it has to be corrected. this should have been corrected in advanced. it never should have run because they knew it was, quote, manufactured, according to the star witness himself. and trump used all this against cruz at the time, and cruz punched back. >> all i did is point out the fact that on the cover of the "national enquirer" there is a picture him and crazy lee harvey oswald having breakfast. now ted never denied that it was his father. instead he said dona
on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it...
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pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way that's quite grandfatherly. i think it's going to be interesting to see what they choose to approach him on, on cross examination. >> michael steele, i just kept thinking that this is a man who -- i'm not there to absorb the grandfatherly touches. he was the most eligible bachelor. he was never that. he was married. three times but still almost always married. it's going to be awkward to try to discredit him without also discrediting all of the lovely things he said about donald trump. >> yeah. it's one of those dynamics when you are lookin
pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way...
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and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take precedence over federal law and block abortions. in situations where abortion would help stabilize pregnant patients undergoing a medical crisis. now, idaho's attorney says it should. the government disagreed. >> what idaho is doing is waiting for women to wait and deteriorate and suffer the lifelong health consequences with no possible upside for the fetus. it just stacks tragedy upon tragedy. >> and it can't be the -- you know, it's become transfer is the appropriate standard of care in idaho, but it can't be the right standard of care to force somebody onto a helicopter. >> this supreme court battle over aborti
and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take...
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