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>> but you worked for donald trump. >> you got to know him. what do you think it's like for him to be in court, being treated like any other criminal defendant having to be there for days a week i think it's real tough on them. >> i think a lot of the country's sympathizers with them. so i think the longer the trial goes on, the more supported gets well, i mean, he has claimed multiple times that this case is being brought essentially by president biden. i mean, you know how this works and how the breakdown in this works. presidents don't have any role in what a local district attorney, what case they bring that's normally true, and i don't i'm not suggesting biden is involved, but i think what they're saying is that this former federal official who's gone up to try the case that this somehow shows a link. >> i don't know whether it do you i mean, you worked you were i attorney general prosecutors leave and go work at other places all the time? it's right. >> i think the impetus for this came from the new york prosecutors. >> i think that they
>> but you worked for donald trump. >> you got to know him. what do you think it's like for him to be in court, being treated like any other criminal defendant having to be there for days a week i think it's real tough on them. >> i think a lot of the country's sympathizers with them. so i think the longer the trial goes on, the more supported gets well, i mean, he has claimed multiple times that this case is being brought essentially by president biden. i mean, you know how...
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donald trump's world. and especially if he think, look anytime you represent people in the media, like trump is like a lot of other high-profile people are in my opinion, they overemphasize the public relations aspect of the trial. they assumed the jurors are reading it. they assume the jurors are violating the judge's orders and looking at and they're trying so hard to influence them i haven't found that to be the case. i've found after a verdict, juror say, yeah, i was in a cab and the thing popped up. i was on my phone, but i've never found a juror after questioning them after a verdict, that layout blatantly violet, now they could be lying to me, but i will tell you there are certain defendants who like they really emphasize on getting the message out after the jury's and paneled when the jury's not supposed to email, see the goal might not be two, to influence the jury so much is really just to provoke a miss trial, right oh, that's a win for the defense in any case, particularly, what would it take t
donald trump's world. and especially if he think, look anytime you represent people in the media, like trump is like a lot of other high-profile people are in my opinion, they overemphasize the public relations aspect of the trial. they assumed the jurors are reading it. they assume the jurors are violating the judge's orders and looking at and they're trying so hard to influence them i haven't found that to be the case. i've found after a verdict, juror say, yeah, i was in a cab and the thing...
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he saw donald trump and that donald trump had the thing tim for taking care of the doorman's story great. and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i didn't recall back from what i'm saying here is that during the fbi investigation, i know what i said yesterday happens, so i can't reconcile what the fbi interview was. if someone made a mistake or not beauvais says, so you can't reconcile because what you said yesterday is inconsistent with what's in this report, correct? pecker says yes, but i wouldn't be responsible for this report, but they said i understand. so you're suggesting that the fbi made a mistake here. pecker said, i know what the truth is. i'm not i can't state what the woods here why this was written, this way. i know exactly what
he saw donald trump and that donald trump had the thing tim for taking care of the doorman's story great. and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i...
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i'm not sure why donald trump wants to debate him. i think it's just all normal rhetoric that he's just continuing to say and i don't actually think that he has any interest it's intubating joe biden travel to buy-side because of his his perception is that joe biden is not as strong as him, has issues with his either memory or other demeanor issues. he wants that side-by-side. but is that biden avoiding that side-by-side or trump? >> i don't think that donald trump wants that side-by-side when we get down to it, he's four years younger. that is not different when you are 70 something years old, they are the same age. they have the same issues, but the issue here is that donald trump toxin lies. and so what is what is the president is supposed to do at that point? i don't think it actually is going to help him in the polling, so i think that he's going to avoid it. he also dropped out of the presidential debate commission. he has no interest in debating joe biden slightly different topic, rfk jr. was on bill maher tonight and he was as
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into donald trump's lifespan. 2016. the truth is, is that he was still blustery and obnoxious, but he had message and he had an effective attack. i don't know if it was 50, 50, but whatever it was a right balance, any one 2020, he lost because that was out of whack. he really had no message. just a lot of noise, a lot of anger russia, whatever it was ms handling covid that noise killed him. if you look at what's happening now, it's noise times ten he's grievance all the time. there's no message. it's vengeance. >> these to me, these trials. yes. we can talk about which is most severe weather, people see them as one weather people see them as rigged or deepstate, whether people understand them, whether they'll start, finish, we'll look, come to fruition, but their noise this idea that donald trump, that these trials help him sees the day and dominate, you know what, that's why he's going to lose because people don't want this noise. i think even people who don't mind him don't want this in their face every day. that seem
into donald trump's lifespan. 2016. the truth is, is that he was still blustery and obnoxious, but he had message and he had an effective attack. i don't know if it was 50, 50, but whatever it was a right balance, any one 2020, he lost because that was out of whack. he really had no message. just a lot of noise, a lot of anger russia, whatever it was ms handling covid that noise killed him. if you look at what's happening now, it's noise times ten he's grievance all the time. there's no...
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donald trump is charged with here. he pled guilty to the campaign finance part, but not necessarily the falsifying business records part. so that's number one. number two, michael cohen has been let's say, reticent, maybe even self-contradictory about the circumstances of his federal plea. he has been very vocal about the fact that he feels like to put to use michael collins word the southern district of new york. my former office michael said they put a gun to my head. they threaten my wife. i pled guilty to things i didn't actually commit. i committed perjury when i pled guilty. that's michael cohen in story. now, that's a disaster. that's a mess. michael cohen is now offering lies stacked upon lies. and boy, the defense cross-examination is going to be all my career long. >> the the standard operating procedure, which are their talked about. >> you actually have something in the transcript about that. >> yeah. this was an redirect for the prosecution. they were getting at the karen mcdougal story great and was it re
donald trump is charged with here. he pled guilty to the campaign finance part, but not necessarily the falsifying business records part. so that's number one. number two, michael cohen has been let's say, reticent, maybe even self-contradictory about the circumstances of his federal plea. he has been very vocal about the fact that he feels like to put to use michael collins word the southern district of new york. my former office michael said they put a gun to my head. they threaten my wife. i...
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trump and donald trump has been fined before. but here's what's unprecedented what's unprecedented is if this judge decides that incarceration is appropriate, that's never been done to a former president. so if that is going to happen, i can appreciate the judge being very deliberate and likely have a written decision the judge could sentence donald trump two up to 30 days in jail for each violation. and that's just the first ten so i can appreciate that, but he's going to have to rule that's what trial judges do. and he's going to have to make a decision judge ladoris hazard cordell, we very much appreciate the perspective. thanks for being with us. >> thank you wael trial of donald trump a historic one is now on a quick break. >> we're expecting the trial to resume at any moment in to see who could be called next as a prosecution witness. that is just minute. that's a way they would sienna the stanley cup playoffs presented by geico on tnt and ten out electric cup playoffs presented by geico covers continues to make six 30 on t
trump and donald trump has been fined before. but here's what's unprecedented what's unprecedented is if this judge decides that incarceration is appropriate, that's never been done to a former president. so if that is going to happen, i can appreciate the judge being very deliberate and likely have a written decision the judge could sentence donald trump two up to 30 days in jail for each violation. and that's just the first ten so i can appreciate that, but he's going to have to rule that's...
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for donald trump. so they're trying to make the point to the jury of this was nothing out of the ordinary, and i think they're trying to suggest that the jury what's the big deal, what's the crime that cross-examination will continue today, anderson, in a few moments all right. >> elie honig. thanks so much. back here outside of the courthouse with with paula reid it was very interesting yesterday to just get a sense from david pecker the amount of time that they have known each other the amount of information that they kind of, the long, the length of their relationship. yeah. this is a relationship, a friendship really that went back decades long for trump, who is running for the white house. and it was a mutually beneficial relationship for a long time. >> trump provided a lot of news where the national enquirer, that soul when he was the height of his fame, pecker said, during the apprentice of the national enquirer would run helpful stories to trump's threat to amplify the great ratings. >> we sai
for donald trump. so they're trying to make the point to the jury of this was nothing out of the ordinary, and i think they're trying to suggest that the jury what's the big deal, what's the crime that cross-examination will continue today, anderson, in a few moments all right. >> elie honig. thanks so much. back here outside of the courthouse with with paula reid it was very interesting yesterday to just get a sense from david pecker the amount of time that they have known each other the...
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. >> there is donald trump walking toward the microphone. this is when he talks, he hasn't spoken about the trial itself lately. well, here when he says this morning thank you very much, everybody i want to start by wishing my life very happy birthday i should be with her, but i'm in a courthouse for rape, drug so wreak terrible. >> what we're doing very well in this big drought everybody knows. >> yesterday was a big day. >> but i do have to begin my wishing happy birthday. >> she said i'll be going there this evening. >> answer this case finishes up with this car unconstitutional case. when it finishes up we have hi report that is just put out by house judiciary on the district attorney's office, which was done by congress. and so is it just came out really wow. moments ago, and i haven't seen it read it but it should be interesting, i think yesterday went very well in this courthouse should be over, the case is over. >> you heard what we said and the patient be over but you have to make that determination and we have a judge, you would ne
. >> there is donald trump walking toward the microphone. this is when he talks, he hasn't spoken about the trial itself lately. well, here when he says this morning thank you very much, everybody i want to start by wishing my life very happy birthday i should be with her, but i'm in a courthouse for rape, drug so wreak terrible. >> what we're doing very well in this big drought everybody knows. >> yesterday was a big day. >> but i do have to begin my wishing happy...
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there was that moment in trump tower where he was being thanked by donald trump. this is an exchange there. pecker says he asked me how i was doing. i said i'm okay. he asked me how's karen was doing and i told he asked how's karen doing? how's our girl, how's my girl house are girl doing? he said then i said she's she's writing or articles, she's quiet, she's easy. things are going fine. so he said, i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. then he said, i want to he also said i want to thank you for the doorman's story, for the doorman situation in the question from the prosecutor is and what did you understand mr. trump to be thanking you for regarding? in the karen mcdougal story and the doorman, i felt he was thanking me for buying them and for not publishing any of the stories in helping the way i did. and why was he so appreciative as the prosecutor? the answer he said that the stories could be very embarrassing question, what did you understand that to mean? answer. i felt that it was going thank you be very embarrassing to him. his family,
there was that moment in trump tower where he was being thanked by donald trump. this is an exchange there. pecker says he asked me how i was doing. i said i'm okay. he asked me how's karen was doing and i told he asked how's karen doing? how's our girl, how's my girl house are girl doing? he said then i said she's she's writing or articles, she's quiet, she's easy. things are going fine. so he said, i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. then he said, i want to he also said i...
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donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels. we will bring you excerpts from our coverage tonight. >> the supreme court oral arguments and the conservatives appeared to embrace some form of criminal immunity. the liberal minority by contrast focused on the temptation that might be for the future president if they have that. >> what i am more worried about you seem to be worried about the president being chilled. i think we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled. if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into
donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels. we will bring you excerpts from our coverage tonight. >> the supreme...
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they don't want it to be donald trump. and i was at nikki haley's when one of her last two or three rallies in raleigh, north carolina and the atmosphere in that room was real. and i knew that most of those people were probably going to vote for donald trump. but if you were putting on a t-shirt that said permanently banned, that the haley campaign and created i'm just going to be harder for you to make that decision. this is what we're seeing and if you're convicted, if donald trump is convicted, that makes it harder. the other problem is as this case goes on, it makes it harder for donald trump to make his case to those voters who don't like donald trump and don't like joe biden to talk about inflation, to talk about crime, to talk about the border, because all of this drowns out those things that republican candidates were on the top of the ticket or down below the ticket, want to be talking about? >> yeah. we started seeing real outreach from the trump campaign to those nikki haley's your orders. let me that raises a q
they don't want it to be donald trump. and i was at nikki haley's when one of her last two or three rallies in raleigh, north carolina and the atmosphere in that room was real. and i knew that most of those people were probably going to vote for donald trump. but if you were putting on a t-shirt that said permanently banned, that the haley campaign and created i'm just going to be harder for you to make that decision. this is what we're seeing and if you're convicted, if donald trump is...
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donald trump? you don't think the jury is going to be somewhat offended that this guy who's running for president in the united states is involved with all these sleeves that he buried, that he buried is sex story you heard from their witness, so did this through celebrity sorted that celebrities this celebrities sort of celebrity, so this celebrity that happens all the time, it's not this unique. oh, god, they came this isn't watergate. that's my point. that watergate was a very unique time. it's the first time it's something like that is ever happen. what came out of cross examination is this happens all the time, but bringing it back to a temidayo said a moment ago, but this time they consulted their lawyers and then they started to back off because they realized that they were veering into territory with respect to the campaign that made them nervous about it the money with the money that's what matters here, is the money. >> but if i could jump out off of what you were saying on the stand, pec
donald trump? you don't think the jury is going to be somewhat offended that this guy who's running for president in the united states is involved with all these sleeves that he buried, that he buried is sex story you heard from their witness, so did this through celebrity sorted that celebrities this celebrities sort of celebrity, so this celebrity that happens all the time, it's not this unique. oh, god, they came this isn't watergate. that's my point. that watergate was a very unique time....
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trump he also outlined the involvement donald trump's onetime fixer, michael cohen, along with trump. question, when michael cohen said, the boss will take care of it, what did you understand that to mean? that he that i would be either reimbursed by the trump organization or by donald trump pecker also said he assumed trump was worried about stories impacting his campaign. not as family. question. now, did he ever say eighth that made you think that his concern about these stories getting out was for his family rather than for his campaign. pecker's answer. i thought it was for the campaign we have a lot to talk about within legal commentator and former trump white house lawyer, jim shultz for repel or prosecutor jean rossi, former january 6 committee investigative counsel, markets childress. former us attorney, and the author of the forthcoming book, pardon power. it can wally and former republican congressman joe walsh so glad to have all of you guys here. i want to ask you first about what took place. there was the cross-examination here, marcus, because there was a lot i mean, t
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they want to suggest that donald trump was aware of a catch and kill scheme for the purpose of trying to have no transparency for the election in moving that particular needle. >> what did you see today? >> well, i think they've established probably the narrative that he had an intent to influence the election. not necessarily to protect millennia or his reputation and also that the catch and kill scheme was created in order to cover up the payouts to these women. the question i think is what todd blanche said in his opening statement, which is will the jury be persuaded that this is a crime? well, they say to themselves, listed then this is just the rough and tumble of politics. this is just the dirty things that politicians do and should a former president really be prosecuted for what amounts to falsification of business records. that's really the crime what brings it from a misdemeanor to a felony is this intent to commit another crime? i'm or conceal& there was a motion for a bill of particulars. the judge did rule and they had four different theories of these underlying crimes.
they want to suggest that donald trump was aware of a catch and kill scheme for the purpose of trying to have no transparency for the election in moving that particular needle. >> what did you see today? >> well, i think they've established probably the narrative that he had an intent to influence the election. not necessarily to protect millennia or his reputation and also that the catch and kill scheme was created in order to cover up the payouts to these women. the question i...
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trump and using donald trump also in many ways. but i think the main thing about david pecker is that he's going to be the key corroborating witness for michael cohen, humans, we all know has some credibility issues here. and while they may try and use the non-prosecution agreement as a way to check challenge pecker's credibility i think that they went a long way towards establishing that pecker was a truth teller here and had nothing to hide since he was under some obligation to tell well, the truth as the result of the non-prosecution agreement. so when when when michael cohen comes to testify, they can then say, well, you were at this meeting with david pecker. you had this phone conversation with david pecker. and so there'll be able to tell the same story. and i think that's really important. i know we've been focused on the feud between cohen and trump had said throughout bitcoin has also spent the last two to three years on this crusade to rehabilitate his image& to convey to the public that he understands he did some someth
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so anything donald trump says. so according to david, donald trump admitted that he had this relationship anytime you do anything like this, it always comes out and says, we need to get mcdougal attacked between david pecker and donald trump. pecker says michael cohen kept on calling me to ask about dylan howard, the editor of the national enquirer's interview with karen mcdougal and david pecker says that he told michael cohen relax. i'll let you know when i hear back from dylan howard del dylan howard flew out to california interview karen mcdougal every time michael cohen calls according to david pecker, he seems more anxious as if he's under pressure, which i would imagine he would be because the boss would be saying what have you heard, what have you heard and michael was very agitated. david pecker said, it looked like he was getting a lot of pressure to get the answer, like right away i think it's really significant that pecker said too, that he's saying that michael that he spoke to trump directly and trump
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and taken a pipe to donald trump and donald trump is not permitted to punch back at michael cohen. i think that's it really is the nub of the issue here and it's rubbing trump, but he's got a gag order, right, david? i mean, i i'm not arguing that life is tough people talk about joel, the time when you're the former president that is, one. >> your name is donald trump. here's my question. day because you know, well, do you think he is trying to bait the judge? is he trying to dare the judge into doing something like putting them in a holding cell or something like that because he thinks it'll be politically advantageous. >> now, i'm not sure. i'll jump what's up being a holding cell for? 30 seconds. i'm not sure. you see the reports from folks inside the courtroom. donald trump doesn't do well, sitting still for hours on end, right? so i'm not sure he wants to be wants to go into any any type of holding so i just think he's just putting back in a matter of fairness and in some point, the judge is you we're seeing here in real full-time. the judge is pushing back on him and saying,
and taken a pipe to donald trump and donald trump is not permitted to punch back at michael cohen. i think that's it really is the nub of the issue here and it's rubbing trump, but he's got a gag order, right, david? i mean, i i'm not arguing that life is tough people talk about joel, the time when you're the former president that is, one. >> your name is donald trump. here's my question. day because you know, well, do you think he is trying to bait the judge? is he trying to dare the...
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trump or away from donald trump. that's a big question for them. so right now, you're seeing his team really huddling together, trying to figure out how exactly they are going to manage this scheduled, looking at possible events within the new york area. but of course, note area new york that possibly be more popular for donald trump or more conducive to having donald trump there like staten island, for example. but now they're really trying to come up with those ideas that they hadn't really gone through before. >> all right. well, kristen, thank you very much and unprecedented times and we are now in this unprecedented moment, wolf of history being made. >> yeah, it's only just starting to aaron. thank you very much. my panel joins me now and i want to start with former manhattan district attorney prosecutor, karen friedman, agnifilo we should note karen is counsel for a firm that does represent michael cohen, but she has no contact with cone, does not work on his case. and there are no restrictions on what you can
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now, is to hate donald trump's. so he is as biased as a witness, can get the defense will say and they will say this is a guy who has lied to congress two courts, to the irs to doj, and he's such a liar that he piles his lies on top of lies because he pled guilty to all those lives. and now he says he was lying when he pled guilty to those lives. so folks on the jury you cannot convict another human being and potentially take away his liberty based on the word of michael color. that's a little bit of a preview of what i think we're going i see from the defense, karen, what are you going to be watching for today in opening statements? >> so the prosecution has to lay out their case. they're not allowed to make arguments, but by law they're required to lay out the elements of their case and what they intend to prove. but you're going to see them sort of teeter on a little bit of argument to make some of the points and counteract some of the points that lie jess made because they go first and so they're going to antici
now, is to hate donald trump's. so he is as biased as a witness, can get the defense will say and they will say this is a guy who has lied to congress two courts, to the irs to doj, and he's such a liar that he piles his lies on top of lies because he pled guilty to all those lives. and now he says he was lying when he pled guilty to those lives. so folks on the jury you cannot convict another human being and potentially take away his liberty based on the word of michael color. that's a little...