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she also said that she saw daniels in the trump tower reception area, all this in just two weeks of the trial. tara and dave join me again. quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he came across as credible. i don't think donald trump's defense team really made a dent in his testimony. and by the time they get to closing arguments i think the highlights of testimony will be what the jurors remember. and, the fact that he was such a strong prosecution witness, pretty calm and collected going to the whole thing on the witness stand. he was pretty unflappable. you know, it's interesting to watch how donald trump is reacting to this. that was his frie
she also said that she saw daniels in the trump tower reception area, all this in just two weeks of the trial. tara and dave join me again. quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a...
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trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when court reconvenes, tuesday morning, there will be more testimony from the banker, who helped michael cohen pay off stormy daniels. now, here's some food for thought. as we hurtle into week two of trump's hush money election interference trial. if the supreme court rules as expected in the immunity case the case brought by district attorney alvin bragg could be trump's first and last criminal trial before the election. joining me now from a former federal prosecutor, legal affairs columnist for politico magazine. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst, anthony coley, director of the justice department office of public affairs and adviser to attorney general merrick garland . renato, have they made it clear this is also about election interference and not just covering up an affair? >> they made that front and center in their opening statement. they are trying to make that case throughout this
trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when court reconvenes, tuesday morning, there will be more testimony from the banker, who helped michael cohen pay off stormy daniels. now, here's some food for thought. as we hurtle into week two of trump's hush money election interference trial. if the supreme court rules as expected in the...
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yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former white house staffer, hope hicks and sarah sanders, about an extension of mcdougal's hush money contract on a call with the white house. what do you think the jury took from all of that? >> well, i think that the jury can very easily take the fact that this was an organized scheme. this wasn't just the national enquirer, for example, acting on its own, buying stories that they just didn't want published in competitive -- in competitor's news publications, they were doing this for the purpose, for donald trump, to give him a benefit, a presidential benefit, a campaign benefit that. is what directly runs afoul of new york state and federal law. and that is what the prosecution has to prove in this case. so again, they were both very critical witnesses. i think that you'll see other witnesses like hope hicks, like michael cohen just put on additional layers in filling out this picture of exactly how the scheme played
yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former white house staffer, hope hicks and sarah sanders, about an extension of mcdougal's hush money contract on a call with the white house. what do you think the jury took from all of that? >> well, i think that the jury can very easily take the fact that this was an organized scheme. this wasn't just the national...
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an arm of the campaign, meaning that it -- they were phoned in by: himself karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, they got money from different places but it all went back according to the delay to the original campaign motivation.told on and for how he tried to hide their contacts back in the day by using some secret messaging app. it did not work him obviously. the da also showed how they knew it was wrong, that got nervous when election regulators started to probe and cohen saidhad him over the department of justice . they say that as to the evidence that team knew they had criminal exposure from this and their thinking was not, we did not do a crime. her thinking was, oh, our appointees will protect us. we have them in our pocket. i do not know if jeff sessions would fit in there, but it is an analogy. but they did not shield michael cohen. he was convicted and imprisoned by the very independent prosecutors who are federal prosecutors during the -era. over the week, the prosecution turned into rhona graff, who appears to be a better turns -- terms on him. the defendant and his company are st
an arm of the campaign, meaning that it -- they were phoned in by: himself karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, they got money from different places but it all went back according to the delay to the original campaign motivation.told on and for how he tried to hide their contacts back in the day by using some secret messaging app. it did not work him obviously. the da also showed how they knew it was wrong, that got nervous when election regulators started to probe and cohen saidhad him over the...
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so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the gran
so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit...
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she verified that trump did, in fact, have contact info for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, two women who are central to this case. we also heard from a banking executive who worked with michael cohen, and who testified about the finances surrounding a shell company of cohen's. his testimony is set to continue into next week. alex? >> okay, and what are you watching for when court resumes on tuesday, specifically? >> alex, it is going to be a shorter week in court. it is not happening on monday. he is back on tuesday. that banking executive is set to continue and this witness list is expected to grow throughout the week. on wednesday, he is out of the courtroom and back on the campaign trail, hitting two major midwestern battleground states, wisconsin and michigan. on thursday, he is back in the courtroom for a gag order hearing on thursday morning. as these alleged violations continue to pile up until the judge's ruling. i want you to hear from the former president as he left court yesterday. take a listen. >> this is eight days that we have all been sitting in this courthouse. this
she verified that trump did, in fact, have contact info for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, two women who are central to this case. we also heard from a banking executive who worked with michael cohen, and who testified about the finances surrounding a shell company of cohen's. his testimony is set to continue into next week. alex? >> okay, and what are you watching for when court resumes on tuesday, specifically? >> alex, it is going to be a shorter week in court. it is not...
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and helping facilitate the payment from cohen to daniels. seeking to undercut the testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer and key witness. testifying about how he helped silence people who could have hurt his election charges. mr. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about motives. at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. also undermining the idea mr. trump wanted to bury those stories to protect his family, a common refrain from the stance. instead, he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i have to wish her a happy birthday. she's in florida. >> miliania trump, absent. the former president needs to be in court on tuesday, thursday, and friday of next week. wednesday, he will be using that time to campaign in the battleground states of wisconsin and michigan. alex? >> okay, dasha burns. thank you for that. he is the former assistant deputy general. host of the podcast talking fits. thank you very much for that. also, our good friend timothy havey, former prosecut
and helping facilitate the payment from cohen to daniels. seeking to undercut the testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer and key witness. testifying about how he helped silence people who could have hurt his election charges. mr. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about motives. at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. also undermining the idea mr. trump wanted to bury those stories to protect his family, a common refrain...
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thank you to eugene daniels for sitting and for us today. we will see you back here tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern. we will talk about president biden's re-election action -- efforts. just want to address the elephant in the room. >> i am the only guy in new york right now. apparently you are all there for some party. this is a much larger bottle than the one you had. let's just see how this works. some boss is about to text me. that was busier than i expected. i'm going to hand this to my friend joe for a minute. you have yourself a fantastic rest of the day and a great party tonight. ali velshi starts now. >>> good morning, it is go saturday, april 27th. donald trump goes by many names and titles these days. he is at once the former president of the united states d and the presumptive republican nominee. if you were in a monastic courtroom where his first criminal trial strapped its second week, you may have heard him referred to as the defendant. that is a first for a former president of the united states. to the nine supreme court t justi
thank you to eugene daniels for sitting and for us today. we will see you back here tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern. we will talk about president biden's re-election action -- efforts. just want to address the elephant in the room. >> i am the only guy in new york right now. apparently you are all there for some party. this is a much larger bottle than the one you had. let's just see how this works. some boss is about to text me. that was busier than i expected. i'm going to hand this to my...
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thank you to eugene daniels for sitting and for us today. we will see you back here tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern. we will talk about president biden's re-election action -- efforts. just want to address the elephant in the room. >> i am the only guy in new york right now. apparently you are all there for some party. this is a much larger bottle than the one you had. let's just see how this works.
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. >> daniel perez, a.k.a. lou castro, went on trial, charged with the murder of tricia hughes, with sexual crimes including child exploitation and fraud. eventually 28 counts in all. there were no charges in any of the other mysterious deaths. emily and sara would both testify, though at the time, not yet wanting to make public their identities, and they would face down the accused who controlled them both for so many years. >> i can't imagine how anxious you must have been, because the case depends on you. >> right. all i could think about was, how are they going to believe me? this is such a crazy story. what if they don't believe me? >> the state, mr. bennett and i will ask you to hold him responsible and find him guilty. >> district attorney mark bennett and assistant da kim parker prosecuted the sprawling case. were you worried about explaining this to a jury? >> we had facts from across several states, facts that involved a multitude of witnesses. >> this was like an imax movie, and you went with the dra
. >> daniel perez, a.k.a. lou castro, went on trial, charged with the murder of tricia hughes, with sexual crimes including child exploitation and fraud. eventually 28 counts in all. there were no charges in any of the other mysterious deaths. emily and sara would both testify, though at the time, not yet wanting to make public their identities, and they would face down the accused who controlled them both for so many years. >> i can't imagine how anxious you must have been, because...
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>> they introduced a small fact, which is that the stormy daniels can't -- contact information is in the system. i suspect that was presented because we will see the prosecutor's attempt to establish that trump and stormy daniels did, in fact, have an intimate sexual encounter which trump has denied, and trump's lawyers denied in the opening statement. i think this is the first piece of evidence and i guess that there would be more. my guess is prosecutors want to be able to say to jurors at the end of this, you don't have to just take her word, we have additional evidence, trump is been saying she's lying, and this and that. that, to me, is the significance, because if the prosecutors can establish that trump, to the extent that they can establish that trump is lying about anything, it's helpful to their case. it's a big point. he's denied he's had this encounter but appears that it did in fact happen. >> michael collins banker was briefly on stand today and it seems the prosecution is starting to dig into the records . we are talking dollars and sense, who signed what, specific dat
>> they introduced a small fact, which is that the stormy daniels can't -- contact information is in the system. i suspect that was presented because we will see the prosecutor's attempt to establish that trump and stormy daniels did, in fact, have an intimate sexual encounter which trump has denied, and trump's lawyers denied in the opening statement. i think this is the first piece of evidence and i guess that there would be more. my guess is prosecutors want to be able to say to jurors...
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say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this week. leaving off our discussion, we were in the courtroom and will be every day of the trial. a fellow at security and the former supervisor of the prosecutions and civil rights union of the eastern district of new york. good evening. unlike a lot of trump supporters and family, you've been there watching what's going on. tell us what happened. we had interesting testimony. >> we did. the first and foremost thing, we had the end of david testimony. this has been a weeklong testimony that sent the course of this
say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to...
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money to silence women came from the enquirer and cohen: so playboy model karen mcdougal and stormy daniels got money from different places but it all went back to the original campaign motivation. the da also showing how the trump side knew this was wrong. that pecker got nervous when they started the probe. and cohen claimed trump had jeff sessions in his pocket as doj adding to the evidence that team trump knew they had criminal exposure from this and their thinking was not we didn't do a crime. their thinking was oh, our appointees will protect us. we have them in our pocket. as you can see. i don't know how jeff sessions would fit in there. but it is an analogy. but trump's doj didn't actually shield michael cohen. he was convicted and imprisoned by the prosecutors who are federal prosecutors during the trump era. by the end of the week, prosecution turned to a trump employee who appear to be on better terms with him than cohen. trump is frugal but they are still paying for her lawyers. you take this all together, you see a lot more evidence against trump than reasonable doubt on his b
money to silence women came from the enquirer and cohen: so playboy model karen mcdougal and stormy daniels got money from different places but it all went back to the original campaign motivation. the da also showing how the trump side knew this was wrong. that pecker got nervous when they started the probe. and cohen claimed trump had jeff sessions in his pocket as doj adding to the evidence that team trump knew they had criminal exposure from this and their thinking was not we didn't do a...
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the catch and kill, stormy daniels really did have this relationship. the bankers on the stand talking about the mechanics of the payment, this and that. there is the common metaphor that prosecutors use as they are building a case brick by brick. they want a wall of evidence at the end. they are dropping picks. pieces of evidence in isolation may not seem that fascinating to us but they are building a wall. whether that leads up to conviction remains to be seen. but, you know, it is hard for me to render any serious verdict on this week because they haven't really got to the main event yet, which is not just michael cohen, whenever he testifies, but also needs to be, there's going to need to be some evidence, ideally, that trump himself was aware the way the payments were booked may have been unlawful. it's not going to be enough to say, the hush money payment is not illegal by itself, nor are all the machinations that michael cohen went through to pay her. what is illegal, what is allegedly illegal is how the payments were booked in the trump organiza
the catch and kill, stormy daniels really did have this relationship. the bankers on the stand talking about the mechanics of the payment, this and that. there is the common metaphor that prosecutors use as they are building a case brick by brick. they want a wall of evidence at the end. they are dropping picks. pieces of evidence in isolation may not seem that fascinating to us but they are building a wall. whether that leads up to conviction remains to be seen. but, you know, it is hard for...
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the contact information for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. why is that on the trump organization database? that will come into play later. we are starting to see the custodial records behind this byzantine way of funneling $130,000 in hush money to stormy daniels through a shell company and a lawyer and we are getting into the weeds on that and that is the jurors last impression. >> the issue with a story like this is that there is no question that it is very unusual how this $130,000 was handled, how these things happen, and some of that in itself is a violation of the way books have to be kept and records have to be kept. what is the challenge for the prosecution? they will probably be able to demonstrate that effectively, but ultimately having the jurors believe that this was in fact in furtherance of a different thing and that was to conceal something from voters that might have made them make a different decision. how difficult is that? >> you put your finger right on it. as the week started there were two dramatic competing visions in t
the contact information for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. why is that on the trump organization database? that will come into play later. we are starting to see the custodial records behind this byzantine way of funneling $130,000 in hush money to stormy daniels through a shell company and a lawyer and we are getting into the weeds on that and that is the jurors last impression. >> the issue with a story like this is that there is no question that it is very unusual how this $130,000...
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trump's old microsoft contacts list, showing injuries -- showing injuries for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, complete with phone numbers. when trump's lawyers get the chance to cross-examine rhona graff, they really didn't rebut what the prosecution had established, which was that donald trump was in contact with stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. instead the defense was quick to offer multiple reasons as to why trump might have been in contact with the two women. reasons, by the way, that have nothing to do with having an affair. for example they ask of trumpet been considering stormy daniels as a potential contestant on the celebrity apprentice, to which graff replied, it was part of the office chatter. it is worth remembering, donald trump is not on trial for cheating on his wife. trump's lawyers do not have to convince the jury that trump was just friends or whatever with stormy daniels and karen mcdougal because having an affair with an adult film actress or playboy model is not illegal. but donald trump himself still publicly denies that those affairs took place, even though
trump's old microsoft contacts list, showing injuries -- showing injuries for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, complete with phone numbers. when trump's lawyers get the chance to cross-examine rhona graff, they really didn't rebut what the prosecution had established, which was that donald trump was in contact with stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. instead the defense was quick to offer multiple reasons as to why trump might have been in contact with the two women. reasons, by the way, that...
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trump made payments to his then lawyer michael cohen after michael cohen arranged payouts to stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, to bury their stories of infidelity with trump. those payments are substantiated. they happened. if you told me before the trial that trump and david pecker didn't really realize they were crossing a legal line and breaking campaign finance law, that would have honestly struck me as plausible. there is just one problem with that line of defense, david actual testimony. you see, on tuesday, a prosecutor asked him directly, "did you have any concerns about the legality of ami, paying to kill a story regarding a political candidate ?" david pecker answered, "yes i did." when asked why he had legal concerns, david pecker responded he had an issue when he acquired a story for arnold schwarzenegger. remember that back in 2013 ? arnold schwarzenegger was launching his political career and was concerned about negative press and so he made an arrangement with david pecker to catch and kill those stories. some of those stories got out. on the campaign trail, david pecker says w
trump made payments to his then lawyer michael cohen after michael cohen arranged payouts to stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, to bury their stories of infidelity with trump. those payments are substantiated. they happened. if you told me before the trial that trump and david pecker didn't really realize they were crossing a legal line and breaking campaign finance law, that would have honestly struck me as plausible. there is just one problem with that line of defense, david actual testimony....
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you're looking at this giant six-figure payments to macdougal and to daniels. it's a totally different ball game. >> also, he didn't admit to campaign finance violations although he might have committed state crimes in the arnold schwarzenegger case. >> the reason that david pecker said he was even sensitive to the campaign finance angle of paying mcdougal in the first place, which is what caused him to lord it up with services, he was sensitive about that because as a function of what he had done for arnold schwarzenegger, he had caught the attention of regulators and investigators, and he narrowly escaped. he knew that was a problem. he tried to structure the karen mcdougal payout agreement in a way that would evade campaign finance problems. the only issue is as josh steinglass expertly elicited from him, while they did hire outside expert counsel to review that agreement, they didn't tell that counsel about, for example, the august 2015 meeting at which they had that agreement. they didn't represent to him all of the facts that a lawyer would need to render
you're looking at this giant six-figure payments to macdougal and to daniels. it's a totally different ball game. >> also, he didn't admit to campaign finance violations although he might have committed state crimes in the arnold schwarzenegger case. >> the reason that david pecker said he was even sensitive to the campaign finance angle of paying mcdougal in the first place, which is what caused him to lord it up with services, he was sensitive about that because as a function of...
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karen mcdougall and stormy daniels, they got money from different places but it went back to the original campaign motivation. pecker told on cohen for how he tried to hide their contacts back in the day when i using secret messaging app? how secret is it if we all are hearing about it in court? that didn't work. the da said trump's side knew this was wrong, pecker got nervous when election regulators probed and cohen claimed jeff sessions was in his pocket over at the doj. that adds to the evidence that team trump knew they had criminal exposure from this and their thinking was not we didn't do a crime, their thinking was, our appointees will protect us, we have them in our pocket. i don't know how jeff sessions would fit in there, but it's an analogy. but trump's doj didn't actually shield michael cohen. he was convicted and imprisoned by the very independent sdny prosecutors who were prosecutors during the trump era. and by the end of the week they turned to vrana graph. she is frugal but the defendant, his company, they are still paying for her lawyers. you take this all together and
karen mcdougall and stormy daniels, they got money from different places but it went back to the original campaign motivation. pecker told on cohen for how he tried to hide their contacts back in the day when i using secret messaging app? how secret is it if we all are hearing about it in court? that didn't work. the da said trump's side knew this was wrong, pecker got nervous when election regulators probed and cohen claimed jeff sessions was in his pocket over at the doj. that adds to the...
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the stormy daniels story. so this afternoon effectively the prosecutions was able to lay out to the jury that david pecker, despite all of the testimony around questions and whether this is normal or not, the prosecution agreement, all that aside, the crux of this is that donald trump. ed to keep these stories silent because of the 2016 election. >> vaughn, after pecker finished, they called rona graph. >> reporter: she was able to authenticate physical address, but the phone numbers she had cataloged for karen mcdougal, but also she had a contact under, quote, stormy, with a phone number. she testified she could make stormy daniels had visited trump tower. and that there was chatter that she could potentially be a celebrity apprentice herself, which matches up with storm yes daniels' statements that donald trump the night that they had sex told her that he would follow about her potential thely appearing on "celebrity apprentice." gary farro was the banker that worked with michael cohen, who is currently on t
the stormy daniels story. so this afternoon effectively the prosecutions was able to lay out to the jury that david pecker, despite all of the testimony around questions and whether this is normal or not, the prosecution agreement, all that aside, the crux of this is that donald trump. ed to keep these stories silent because of the 2016 election. >> vaughn, after pecker finished, they called rona graph. >> reporter: she was able to authenticate physical address, but the phone...
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in the waiting room, and they weren't able to get out of why stormy daniels was there. they're asking her part of your job duties were to work with the producers of "the apprentice." she says trump was relatively hands on, her words, with the show, which she says elevated him from being a businessman to a near rock star status. hoffinger objects. graff clarifies that "the apprentice" involved regular people. trump got involved once the celebrity apprentice began, which would be around 2007. he talked about who would make a good contestant. according to our reporter in the room, some more than others. there's in a side war right now. what does it mean to get all of this "apprentice" stuff out of rhona graff. >> how is this relevant to the trial. it seems far afield. it's showing he's active, busy, running a company, maybe not involved in the day-to-day record keeping, but instead at a higher level. >> we're going to take a quick break. we're going to talk about wht else happened today. david pecker was on the stand, a lot of redirect. our coverage of donald trump's hush
in the waiting room, and they weren't able to get out of why stormy daniels was there. they're asking her part of your job duties were to work with the producers of "the apprentice." she says trump was relatively hands on, her words, with the show, which she says elevated him from being a businessman to a near rock star status. hoffinger objects. graff clarifies that "the apprentice" involved regular people. trump got involved once the celebrity apprentice began, which would...
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we know stormy daniels was in trump tower. does that contribute to potentially jurors views of him or reinforcing something they thought they could put aside? >> it adds more color to the story and to the narrative. it's by itself not that big of a fact, again, it kind of gets into the common sense connective tissue i was talking about earlier, when each juror is constructing their narrative of the case, this is a little detail that could end up being one of the sort of bricks in that foundation. >> again, did you see stormy in the reception area? a vague recollection, but yes, she knew that he was. go ahead. >> it goes to show you, despite what you're hearing all the time, this is not only about michael cohen. it's not about his agenda. it's not about his anger. it's about a case, and you have a person here, a person here, evidence here, this is just part of that puzzle, and that's why the prosecution has to do this now. >> at the end of week one, the puzzle is coming together. pieces are in place. thank you. that's going to
we know stormy daniels was in trump tower. does that contribute to potentially jurors views of him or reinforcing something they thought they could put aside? >> it adds more color to the story and to the narrative. it's by itself not that big of a fact, again, it kind of gets into the common sense connective tissue i was talking about earlier, when each juror is constructing their narrative of the case, this is a little detail that could end up being one of the sort of bricks in that...
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that, do you really pay all this money that trump was willing to pay both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. that hasn't been the practice in other cases. and mr. pecker's key concession both on direct and now in response to the redirect was that trump knew that this was about the campaign. that's what alvin bragg has to prove and i think on that point he's proving it. >> so this, tristan is exactly why i was surprised to hear, we're following our blog, other blogs from people who are in the room. they talk about jurors being rapt. they are leaning in. they are taking copious notes. a lot of this is testimony is pretty inside baseball. who's doing a better job here? from your reading of it? >> yeah, look, i think they're both doing a pretty good job, but i think the prosecution is scoring more points right now. when the jury is leaning in, and they're paying attention, look, a lot of this is inside baseball, but a lot of this is pretty direct and clear. like, what was the purpose of all of this. i think that there's a certain amount of common sense here that i think the jurors are going to
that, do you really pay all this money that trump was willing to pay both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. that hasn't been the practice in other cases. and mr. pecker's key concession both on direct and now in response to the redirect was that trump knew that this was about the campaign. that's what alvin bragg has to prove and i think on that point he's proving it. >> so this, tristan is exactly why i was surprised to hear, we're following our blog, other blogs from people who are in...
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you're going to see the story change when it comes to stormy daniels as to how it has been paid. a foundation being laid out, pecker asked how would it be paid, he was told it would be paid by the big guy, but then enter michael cohen, and he's paying it and there is not the reimbursement and that's how you get to the falsification of the business records because, of course, at that point, donald trump was a federal candidate for office. and that's when you get into the campaign finance violations. so, some of the minutia or the details that are coming out now may not make sense, but once the story is put all together, it will form according to the prosecutors the basis of the crimes for which donald trump is charged. >> and, vaughn, michael cohen's name has already been brought up quite a bit during the questioning so far. what is that about? >> right. to the point about this being a sustained effort here and one that ultimately the defense will make sense of here in a key as if eliminate of that is michael cohen's credibility and one example that was brought up here in the last
you're going to see the story change when it comes to stormy daniels as to how it has been paid. a foundation being laid out, pecker asked how would it be paid, he was told it would be paid by the big guy, but then enter michael cohen, and he's paying it and there is not the reimbursement and that's how you get to the falsification of the business records because, of course, at that point, donald trump was a federal candidate for office. and that's when you get into the campaign finance...
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we haven't heard anything yet about how is the stormy daniels transaction booked. that's the underlying crime first before we get to the election interference. haven't had one word about that yet. >> and so jessica, we know david pecker has said he entered this cooperating agreement in 2019 with the manhattan district attorney's office. do you believe other witnesses could also have received these cooperating agreements? >> we don't know yet. that was the first time that was revealed that he personally had a non-prosecution agreement to testify. we already knew that ami had a non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors, but we learned that david pecker personally has this non-prosecution agreement with the d.a.'s office that subjects him to prosecution for perjury, if he perjures himself, but immunizes him from prosecution for his involvement in the schemes he's testifying to. whether people have non-prosecution agreements, i don't see any indication of that. obviously michael cohen has his own history. he does not have a non-prosecution agreement. he never
we haven't heard anything yet about how is the stormy daniels transaction booked. that's the underlying crime first before we get to the election interference. haven't had one word about that yet. >> and so jessica, we know david pecker has said he entered this cooperating agreement in 2019 with the manhattan district attorney's office. do you believe other witnesses could also have received these cooperating agreements? >> we don't know yet. that was the first time that was...
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daniel jones, as much as richard, i believe, you have more faith in him than jen, daniel jones is a sunk cost. how do you hope the $40 million man? get the receiver. >> i think giants get props for not creating a quarterback controversy. jones for $40 million. he's never had a chance. they've had a terrible offensive line. they now gave him a good weapon. we could argue whether they maybe got the wrong weapon. maybe they should have gotten baures, the best tight end. >> out of georgia. >> maybe another offensive lineman for the right side of the line. they avoided a quarterback controversy. i think they said, daniels jones never had a fair chance. we'll give him another year, try to build a better team. if it doesn't work, draft a quarterback last year. last i checked, giants have five more draft picks this year. i wouldn't be surprised if one of those is their version of, let's go for a late-round quarterback. maybe he'll develop. >> late-round value is there to be had. it is the most underrated part of this thing. you're a day one guy or nothing. we're talking about the day one guys, t
daniel jones, as much as richard, i believe, you have more faith in him than jen, daniel jones is a sunk cost. how do you hope the $40 million man? get the receiver. >> i think giants get props for not creating a quarterback controversy. jones for $40 million. he's never had a chance. they've had a terrible offensive line. they now gave him a good weapon. we could argue whether they maybe got the wrong weapon. maybe they should have gotten baures, the best tight end. >> out of...
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daniels from going public with her claim. additionally pecker said his conversations with cohen included asking trump to pay cohen back at cohen's request. trump has denied any sexual encounters with daniels or mcdougal. danny, we mention how it appears the defense here is trying to lay this groundwork any dealings trump had with pecker were meant to protect trump as a person -- again, we're talking personal not official capacities. but why is that so important here? >> the cross-examination yesterday started off in a very predictable direction. number one, attack the witness's memory. number two, he's essentially a cooperating witness so go into the deal he made with federal and state prosecutors. yes, specific to these facts, what the defense is trying to develop is that this is the kind of thing that pecker, ami, cohen, that they were doing for a long time. this relationship, whatever you want to call it, this catch and kill relation existed in some form or another, and it dated back to the 2000s. for literally years, mayb
daniels from going public with her claim. additionally pecker said his conversations with cohen included asking trump to pay cohen back at cohen's request. trump has denied any sexual encounters with daniels or mcdougal. danny, we mention how it appears the defense here is trying to lay this groundwork any dealings trump had with pecker were meant to protect trump as a person -- again, we're talking personal not official capacities. but why is that so important here? >> the...
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even though he wasn't a bank, even though he was worried, for example, with stormy daniels and the effect on wal-mart, his biggest distributor of the magazine, when it all was said and done, his biggest concern is i don't want to be in legal trouble. i want to protect my company, i want to protect myself, and then third of all i want to protect donald trump. >> he did say explicitly in court today that he consulted with a campaign finance lawyer or elections lawyer who was saying around this time, letting him know this stuff was -- so it wasn't just that he was realizing it himself based on the fact there was a state investigation in california and he was turning up in the press. he consulted a lawyer about the illegality of what he was doing. >> he consulted two lawyers. he consulted an outside election law specialist and the general counsel of the company, who would have had to pass judgment on it, and that was the person who said this is not happening. >> when he says, he basically tells michael cohen, don't give me a check, don't give me a trump organization check, i don't want it to
even though he wasn't a bank, even though he was worried, for example, with stormy daniels and the effect on wal-mart, his biggest distributor of the magazine, when it all was said and done, his biggest concern is i don't want to be in legal trouble. i want to protect my company, i want to protect myself, and then third of all i want to protect donald trump. >> he did say explicitly in court today that he consulted with a campaign finance lawyer or elections lawyer who was saying around...
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david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money? >> yes. >> david pecker said trump called him and said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, that she can't mention my name. trump denied knowledge of the arrangement, the cross- examination, trump's lawyers challenged david credibility in business practices. at a campaign event, trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david is a nice guy. >> what do we know about the payment to stormy daniels? >> reporter: david pecker testified about a payment his company did make to former playboy model, karen mcdougal, to keep her affair with trump quiet. packer said he coordinated with colin, because they concerned -- worried that paying mcdougall could violate campaign finance laws so they worked out a deal, a
david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money? >> yes. >> david pecker said trump called him and said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, that she...
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even though he was not a bank, was worried with stormy daniels and the effect on his biggest distributor of the magazine, when all was said and done, his biggest concern was, i don't want to be in legal trouble but i want to protect my company, myself, and third, donald trump. >> let me ask you, he did explicitly say in court that he consulted with a campaign- finance lawyer or elections lawyer who was saying, around this time, letting him know about this. it's not that he was just realizing based on the fact that there was a state investigation in california, he consulted a lawyer about the illegality. >> he consulted two, and outside election law specialist and the general counsel of his company who would have had to pass judgment on it and that was the person who said, this is not happening. >> when he says, he basically tells michael cohen, don't give me a check, don't give me a trump organization check, i don't want it on the books, i want nothing to do with it, because he knows having it on the books opens them up to vulnerability, legally speaking. >> i felt this revelation about
even though he was not a bank, was worried with stormy daniels and the effect on his biggest distributor of the magazine, when all was said and done, his biggest concern was, i don't want to be in legal trouble but i want to protect my company, myself, and third, donald trump. >> let me ask you, he did explicitly say in court that he consulted with a campaign- finance lawyer or elections lawyer who was saying, around this time, letting him know about this. it's not that he was just...
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he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testified today about the payment his company did make the former playboy model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet. pecker said he coordinated with cohen because he was concerned paying mcdougal could violate campaign finance law. so they worked up an agreement to pay for contributions to magazines owned by american media, adding he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asking pecker was your principal purpose to suppress her story so as not to influence the election? pecker responding yes, it was. >> and we have peter baker and joy spent still with us. joyce, i wanted to start
he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testified today about the...
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should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payments on trump's behalf, the one to stormy daniels and that gets us, i think, to the most important part of david testimony today, which is why trump was so concerned with keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to not say a distasteful thing about you is not a crime. prosecutors are alleging the hush money payments in this case were used to influence the election. they were an illegal contribution to trump's campaign and then they say trump covered up the payments by creating false records to make them look like legal fees. from our reporters notes today. the prosecutor. "did you have any intention of renting karen mcdougal story about her affair with mr. trump? no we did not. "was you principal purpose to suppress her story so as not to influence the election? david pecker, yes it was. steinglass, were you aware expenditures to influence an election made at the request of a candidate are unlawful ? and why did you not want karen mcdougal story to be publ
should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payments on trump's behalf, the one to stormy daniels and that gets us, i think, to the most important part of david testimony today, which is why trump was so concerned with keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to not say a distasteful thing about you is not a crime. prosecutors are alleging the hush money payments in this case were used to influence the...
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that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for karen mcdougal, the 150k. by the time stormy daniels comes on the scene straight off the "access hollywood" tape where the campaign is panicking. they don't want any more sordid details. that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with her fitness column, the first one. she didn't like it because the ghost writer had mentioned the benefits of vitamin d in the column. she said i want a new gh
that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for karen mcdougal, the 150k. by the time stormy daniels comes on the scene straight off the "access hollywood" tape where the campaign is panicking. they don't want any more sordid details. that transaction is then put back on...
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, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it exactly right, which is, thank you have the d.a. sort of bringing donald trump directly through direct evidence, it's not through michael cohen, you have a witness saying i spoke to him, this was his reaction. essentially what on god's green earth are you doing? why did you release her and why is she speaking and that explains why stormy daniels is not released, explains the difference, but also to vaughn's point he later denied it, you can be sure in this trial we're going to see that false statement. when you're a prosecutor trying to get mental state evidence, there's nothing better than oh,
, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it...
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january of 2018 is when folks first became familiar with stormy daniels payment. karen mcdougal did a sit down interview with anderson cooper. after that interview aired, donald trump angrily called up david pecker about how this happened. because he thought that ami had an agreement with karen mcdougal for her not to be able to share her story anywhere outside of the "national enquirer" and its other entities, and that's when david pecker informed him that, look, a couple of months ago we had conversations about karen mcdougal's contract, that initially it was just six months, and there was talk that included even hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, because this was during the white house years about whether to extend karen mcdougal's contract. trump at one point, david pecker reminded him, donald trump according to pecker told him it's your business, and at that point, he lets the contract run out. so what did karen mcdougal do? she went and did a sit-down interview with anderson cooper. at that point in time, that is when stormy daniels came into the picture
january of 2018 is when folks first became familiar with stormy daniels payment. karen mcdougal did a sit down interview with anderson cooper. after that interview aired, donald trump angrily called up david pecker about how this happened. because he thought that ami had an agreement with karen mcdougal for her not to be able to share her story anywhere outside of the "national enquirer" and its other entities, and that's when david pecker informed him that, look, a couple of months...
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we haven't got to the stormy daniels stuff yet. what are you looking for out of what we have, two more days this week? what are you looking for? >> i said david pecker may have emerged as the people's star witness. we had a lot of focus on someone like michael cohen, but david pecker is better for the people for a number of reasons. number one, he has some credibility issues, but not the credibility issues of a michael cohen. number two, he starts at the beginning. prosecutors love to take you through a chronological, in the beginning, this was this relationship. by showing this relationship, where david pecker had communication with michael cohen, and i think this is critical, and they've already shown the communication with michael cohen went from once a month to once a quarter and escalated. what did it escalate corresponding to? the upcoming election. that is going to be key to demonstraing that this was not a bunch of hush money payments to protect my family or reputation with my wife. this was to influence the campaign. that
we haven't got to the stormy daniels stuff yet. what are you looking for out of what we have, two more days this week? what are you looking for? >> i said david pecker may have emerged as the people's star witness. we had a lot of focus on someone like michael cohen, but david pecker is better for the people for a number of reasons. number one, he has some credibility issues, but not the credibility issues of a michael cohen. number two, he starts at the beginning. prosecutors love to...
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in cahoots, not when it came to just catching and killing stories about donald trump like the stormy daniels story at the center of this case but also the explicit agreement between trump and the national enquirer. the national enquirer will publish glowing stories about trump and negative stories about his political opponents, ones the enquirer would embellish or just completely fabricate. so trump and the national enquirer had an explicit symbiotic relationship, having access to donald trump helped the national enquirer giving its readers what they apparently wanted, so the enquirer helped trump however he wanted. and just to be clear here it was a totally unethical arranged, but it really seems like trump and the right wing and right wing media today are doing something quite similar. there may not be an explis lt agreement, but there is certainly a symbiotic relationship here, and that could really matter when it comes to this gag order. from the very beginning of this trial right-wing media has been repeating trump's lies about this case even the small stuff like claiming the judge barr
in cahoots, not when it came to just catching and killing stories about donald trump like the stormy daniels story at the center of this case but also the explicit agreement between trump and the national enquirer. the national enquirer will publish glowing stories about trump and negative stories about his political opponents, ones the enquirer would embellish or just completely fabricate. so trump and the national enquirer had an explicit symbiotic relationship, having access to donald trump...
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it says if richard nixon had ordered the fbi instead of the so-called plumbers to break into daniel's psychiatrist office, would nixon have been immune from prosecution? the nixon plumbers were not official government operators. and the trump theory of the case is anything the president does in his official capacity cannot possibly be a crime. that is how you say, they are saying if nixon had ordered the fbi to do it and the fbi did it, there would have been no crime. >> it is so preposterous what he is saying. the other questions we have are just essentially doing a goose gander which is so, if what you are saying is true, joseph biden could decide that if you would be entitled to order the assassination of a political rival are you saying he can order the assassination of a political rival? if you could seize election machines because you think there is fraud in the election, are you saying he can do it? this is one where it is even justices. the outrageous fact that thomas is going to sit on this case tomorrow. and they cannot will not stomach the idea of a blanket immunity. they m
it says if richard nixon had ordered the fbi instead of the so-called plumbers to break into daniel's psychiatrist office, would nixon have been immune from prosecution? the nixon plumbers were not official government operators. and the trump theory of the case is anything the president does in his official capacity cannot possibly be a crime. that is how you say, they are saying if nixon had ordered the fbi to do it and the fbi did it, there would have been no crime. >> it is so...
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were in cahoots, not just when it came to catching and killing stories about trump, like the stormy daniels story that is at the center of this case but also the explicit agreement between trump and "the national enquirer." "the national enquirer," with published glowing stories about trump and negative stories about his political opponents, one's inquirer would embellish or completely fabricate. trump and "the national enquirer" had an explicit symbiotic relationship. having access to trump gave her "the national enquirer" to readers what they wanted. "the national enquirer" helped trump however he wanted . just to be clear here, it was a totally unethical arrangement. but, it really seemed trump and the right wing and right wing media today are doing something quite similar. there may not be an explicit agreement but there is certainly a symbiotic relationship here. and, that could really matter when it comes to this gag order. from the very beginning of this trial, right wing media has been repeating trumps lies about this case, even the small stuff, like claiming that the judge barred t
were in cahoots, not just when it came to catching and killing stories about trump, like the stormy daniels story that is at the center of this case but also the explicit agreement between trump and "the national enquirer." "the national enquirer," with published glowing stories about trump and negative stories about his political opponents, one's inquirer would embellish or completely fabricate. trump and "the national enquirer" had an explicit symbiotic...
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namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the united states about whether he can claim sweeping presidential immunity over his criminal election interference charges from special counsel jack smith. but even for the conservative majority hears one word of arguments, it is important to recognize the gift that they have already handed to trump, namely time and plenty of it. with a month's long delay. they refused jack smith's request to fast track this case in december before a single republican primary vote had been cast. sending it instead to the d.c. circuit court. the court also could have just affirmed the decision by the d.c. circui
namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the united states about whether he can claim sweeping presidential immunity...
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led to the scheme to cook the books to hide the secret payments to stormy daniels, and that the hiding showed he knew he was up to no good. they say that violated the key new york state election law. i'm going read this to you. it's become more and more important. if you watched our "the beat" coverage, we've reported on the road leading to. this it's not until this week that the prosecutors and the d.a.'s office went beyond the general indictment to show exactly what they mean. any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to public office by ununlawful means. this is the way the d.a. wants to make it a felony. i mentioned there are other avenues, like tax law. this is the main one. prosecutors say they can prove those unlawful means to distort the election with very clear evidence. now in a trial there is generally two types of evidence. the star witnesses like we started to hear from, that's testimonial evidence. and all the other stuff, what they call hard evidence, receipts, paper, records, all of that is the goods. the d.a. in this opening
led to the scheme to cook the books to hide the secret payments to stormy daniels, and that the hiding showed he knew he was up to no good. they say that violated the key new york state election law. i'm going read this to you. it's become more and more important. if you watched our "the beat" coverage, we've reported on the road leading to. this it's not until this week that the prosecutors and the d.a.'s office went beyond the general indictment to show exactly what they mean. any...
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it's more than stormy daniels. it's about election interference. you know, if he gets back into the white house and he says putin, you can do what you want, berlin is six hn miles from the ukrainian boarder. that's shorter than north carolina, charlotte from here. that's really scary. >> that's something katty talks about on the show a lot. we're going give katty the last word on the other side of a very short break. don't go anywhere. t break. don't go anywhere. to a child, this is what conflict looks like. children in ukraine are caught in the crossfire of war, forced to flee their homes. a steady stream of refugees has been coming across all day. it's basically cold. lacking clean water and sanitation. exposed to injury, hunger. exhausted and shell shocked from what they've been through. every dollar you give can help bring a meal, a blanket, or simply hope to a child living in conflict. please call or go online to givenowtosave.org today with your gift of $10 a month, that's just $0.33 a day. we cannot forget the children in p
it's more than stormy daniels. it's about election interference. you know, if he gets back into the white house and he says putin, you can do what you want, berlin is six hn miles from the ukrainian boarder. that's shorter than north carolina, charlotte from here. that's really scary. >> that's something katty talks about on the show a lot. we're going give katty the last word on the other side of a very short break. don't go anywhere. t break. don't go anywhere. to a child, this is what...
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eugene daniels, you're going to stay with me. in 60 seconds, more pro-palestinian demonstrations erupt at colleges across the country. could college graduations be at stake? we'll head to the campus in the middle of this controversy. e ca middle of this controversy i'll be honest. by the end of the day, my floors...yeesh. but who has the time to clean? that's why i love my swiffer wetjet. it's a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that!...
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with donald trump, we're going to find out what the national enquirer's role was in that and stormy daniels. i want to talk about the cross for a minute. i think it could be -- david pecker has been an effective witness so far, very good storyteller. but ultimately he's up on the stand saying he lies a lot. he's the king. kind of the king of fake news with donald trump. so i think that that is going to work against him. and the other thing is i don't think that -- i think the prosecution, they're going to zero -- the donald trump's lawyers are going to zero in, he had nothing to do with the payment scheme. that's what we're going to see as we roll through this week. >> sue craig, we'll continue our conversation going forward. thank you so much. great to see you in person. appreciate it. >>> as we have been talking about the trial that is going to resume tomorrow, donald trump will be in that new york courtroom tomorrow, some of his lawyers will be arguing before the u.s. supreme court on whether a former president is immune from prosecution for official acts. prosecutors say the founding fa
with donald trump, we're going to find out what the national enquirer's role was in that and stormy daniels. i want to talk about the cross for a minute. i think it could be -- david pecker has been an effective witness so far, very good storyteller. but ultimately he's up on the stand saying he lies a lot. he's the king. kind of the king of fake news with donald trump. so i think that that is going to work against him. and the other thing is i don't think that -- i think the prosecution,...
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it was when trump said, look what was just found, and he was referring to stormy daniels' statement in january of 2018. the court said to mr. blanche, is it true that this was just found? no, your honor, everybody knows that this wasn't just found. that's of course not true. if you're in a position six into the trial where you have to undermine the voracity of your client's statements in order to rescue them from criminal contempt, that's not a good place to be. the other thing that really stood out to me is david pecker because he has the sort of demeanor that he is believable, he's credible, he's affable, he even compliments donald trump are frequently, and yet you have to remove yourself from the proceedings a little bit to see, oh, my gosh, a lot of what he confessed to is totally bonkers. you got a crash course in tabloid or checkbook journalism yesterday through him, also an understanding of why did pecker even put himself in this position. it's sort of a variant of that '80s song, i've got the brains, you've got the looks, let's make a lot of money. through the celebrity apprent
it was when trump said, look what was just found, and he was referring to stormy daniels' statement in january of 2018. the court said to mr. blanche, is it true that this was just found? no, your honor, everybody knows that this wasn't just found. that's of course not true. if you're in a position six into the trial where you have to undermine the voracity of your client's statements in order to rescue them from criminal contempt, that's not a good place to be. the other thing that really...
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targeting cohen and stormy daniels. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in contempt. >> so they can talk about me, they can lie, but i'm not allowed to say anything. >> reporter: in court the defense arguing that mr. trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks and the gag order should not cover reposts of someone else, the judge didn't rule -- telling lead defense attorney todd blanche you're losing all credibility with the court. minutes later during a break, donald trump back on truth social falsely writing that the judge had taken away his right to free speech. >> nbc's laura jarrett reporting for us there. let's bring in andrew weissman and charles coleman. andrew, the first part of the day was the hearing on the gag order, whether or not donald trump violated the gag order, the d.a.'s office said he's done so ten times. the second part of it is the ongoing testimony of david pecker. let's start with the gag order, did the d.a.'s office, did the prosecution make a compelling case in your eyes that donald trump has violated that gag
targeting cohen and stormy daniels. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in contempt. >> so they can talk about me, they can lie, but i'm not allowed to say anything. >> reporter: in court the defense arguing that mr. trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks and the gag order should not cover reposts of someone else, the judge didn't rule -- telling lead defense attorney todd blanche you're losing all credibility with the court. minutes later during a break, donald...
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so does stormy daniels. they need him, so critical. to underestimate him and take him down i think you start with that immunity issue. >> do you feel -- if you're trump and his team, there's three people involved in this conspiracy. one of them is michael cohen, witness to theis prosecution. one of them is dave pecker who's just taken the stand and very favorable to the prosecution. where does that leave donald trump? do you think that puts pressure on him to take the stand, or is it too far-fetched to imagine f in. >> i think it's arunlikely he'l testify for so many reasons not least of which the cross-examination is going to be brutal, but oneis of the things the prosecution is going to have to prove is that donald trump knew what he was going to do he was breaking the law. there's a knowledge element here. it has to be done with the the intent to break the law. one way he could do that by show and testifying i didn't know these entries were being made. i didn't know i was doing this with the the intent to violate the federal electio
so does stormy daniels. they need him, so critical. to underestimate him and take him down i think you start with that immunity issue. >> do you feel -- if you're trump and his team, there's three people involved in this conspiracy. one of them is michael cohen, witness to theis prosecution. one of them is dave pecker who's just taken the stand and very favorable to the prosecution. where does that leave donald trump? do you think that puts pressure on him to take the stand, or is it too...
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does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profiled trump's defense attorney, todd entered a new kind of story point great to have you both here we just start topline impressions for the day today, lisa quickly top line impression is that david p ecker has a whole lot to say pick one of the things that he said at the very beginning was he was asked how often he commuted with trump and he said after trump became a candidate their conversations increased, not decreased for acute expect a presidential candidate to get so busy that they wouldn't really have time for the old friend david p ecker and yet they still found time to meet once a month, talked on the phone roughly once a week and sometimes more point we heard about two of those conversations today, book ended the beginning and the end of t
does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profiled trump's defense attorney, todd entered a new kind of story point great to have you both here we just start topline impressions for the day...
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about stormy daniels. this brings them back into the news cycle. >> there's a lot of folks who say i don't want to hear about all this. okay, we have no more time. i'm so sorry. you know what? miami vice showed up. >> doing thing. what is going on? >> there you go. >> unfortunately, you are leaving us charles. the rest of the turkeys are coming back. before we go to break, you know what time it is? a quick update of our djt tracker following donald trump's media company to see how it is doing. the stock fell 8% to close at 32 bucks today. the same day trump qualified for an earn out bonus of 36 million shares. this is important. while you are going that thing is tanking, it will be worth nothing. it is not worth nothing yet and at today's price, those shares would be worth under $1.2 billion in that big boy's pocket. >>> republicans came into congress with big plans to squash joe biden's agenda, but with tonight's passage of the foreign aid bills is it proof joe biden is coming out on top? >>> and the pres
about stormy daniels. this brings them back into the news cycle. >> there's a lot of folks who say i don't want to hear about all this. okay, we have no more time. i'm so sorry. you know what? miami vice showed up. >> doing thing. what is going on? >> there you go. >> unfortunately, you are leaving us charles. the rest of the turkeys are coming back. before we go to break, you know what time it is? a quick update of our djt tracker following donald trump's media company...