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with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on
with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well,...
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and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call it the magazine like the national enquirer and try to sell them their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember is stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't int
and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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as pecker retold that story. trump according to pecker's headed "how is our girl doing?" he said i want to thank you for handling the mcdougall situation and i want to thank you for the doorman situation. that was the doorman who was paid $30,000 by "national enquirer" for a story he had about trump apparently fathering an illegitimate baby which turned out to be completely false, but jonathan, they do seem to be zeroing in here. the prosecutor is on whether or not catching and killing the karen mcdougal story was to protect trump personally in his marriage or whether it was to protect the campaign. pecker says it was for the campaign. is there any vulnerability th there? >> there is not supposed to be legal vulnerability because there is no crime there. even if this was politically motivated, it's not a campaign contribution and a violation of federal law. the department of justice chose not to charge that. it sort of the general premise of zapping this dead misdemeanor back in the life. but the interesting thin
as pecker retold that story. trump according to pecker's headed "how is our girl doing?" he said i want to thank you for handling the mcdougall situation and i want to thank you for the doorman situation. that was the doorman who was paid $30,000 by "national enquirer" for a story he had about trump apparently fathering an illegitimate baby which turned out to be completely false, but jonathan, they do seem to be zeroing in here. the prosecutor is on whether or not catching...
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pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court, while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom that's freezing, by the way. he's out campaigning, and i'm here in a courtroom, sitting here, giving -- sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because, you know what? it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order, attacking witnesses, even potential jurors. and they said it's posing a very real threat to the trial. the defense insisted trump is complying but the judge interjected "you're losing credibi credibility." no immediate ruling from the judge but prosecutors said, david, it's almost as if trump is daring the judge to hold him in contempt and throw him in jail. and tonight, sources tell abc news the secret service is preparing for that possibility. david? >> david: aaron katersky leading us off here tonight. aaron, thank you. >>> we turn now to t
pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court, while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom that's freezing, by the way. he's out campaigning, and i'm here in a courtroom, sitting here, giving -- sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because, you know what? it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order,...
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one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of burying stories and get him happy and contribute daand all that stuff. and then once trump's campaign started in 2015 and 2017, that's when pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. i mean prosecution said in their opening statement monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone -- paid anyone for information about trump. it's a qualitatively different process at that point. >> i agree with that and the payments were abnormal even by enquirer standards. pecker testified a
one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for...
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pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was fairly even. he was neither snarling at pecker as he sometimes does when he heads down the aisle and exits the courtroom and sees the press assembled, but he wasn't exactly friendly. my best recollection of the interaction was when pecker came into the courtroom yesterday and donald trump was almost like leaning around the table so he could get as close a look at david pecker's face as he could. it was as if he were daring pecker, you knew me for decades. make eye contact with me now. and pecker didn't seem to
pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was...
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he says we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been very nice. a nice guy. >> did you give the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testifying today about a payment his company did make to former "playboy" model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet.
pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he says we have an agreement with stormy daniels...
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david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this pre-existing relationship and this catch and kill arrangement. and that's going to match up to a lot of documents that the state is going to introduce. number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about being the eyes and the ears of a campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that, campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of hers, and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details about another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged o
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in...
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pecker defiant at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. the tabloid mogul also undermining the idea mr. trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, pecker said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania happy birthday. she's in florida. >> reporter: melania trump notably absent at trial. >> laura, does it appear prosecutors got what they needed from david pecker this week? >> lester, pecker is a useful witness for prosecutors to the extent he can testify about conversations about mr. trump that touch on his alleged scheme to influence the election, but what he can't offer, lester, is any evidence on the actual crime that the former president has been indicted for, which isn't a campaign finance violation. it's the way his payments to cohen were documented on his internal records. now, we'll see if other witnesses can speak more directly to that, lester. >> okay, laura, thank you. >>> president biden was also in new york today
pecker defiant at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. the tabloid mogul also undermining the idea mr. trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, pecker said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania happy birthday. she's in florida. >> reporter: melania trump notably absent at trial. >> laura, does it appear prosecutors got what...
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was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge apparently has not ruled on that, but how do you see that? >> it's interesting, josÉ. every judge that i have spoken to has said they would not lock trump up. judges are very reluctant to do that, but he will reach a point where if trump continues to violate the gag order and it certainly appears he did violate the gag order, he will have to do something. as chuck rosenberg said earlier, sequestering the jury is a difficult thing because it's harmful to a juror. sometimes it facilitates a quicker verdict because the jurors just want to go home. so marchand will have to do something, and it's something he could tr
was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge...
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so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire karen mcdougal's lifetime rate ? david pecker responded, "yes, that is correct." "i called michael cohen, i said the agreement, the assignment deal is off. i'm not going forward. it is a bad idea. i want you to rip up the agreement. " in other words, david pecker had a brush with this in the past, campaign finance law and how it is located in a catch and kill scheme for a candidate, thought about them doing the same thing here, had a talk with his lawyer, decided receiving the money for the express purpose of paying off trum
so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire...
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former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were underway and the conservatives who as we know, have a majority on the court, appeared to embrace at least some form of criminal immunity for presidents, the liberal minority, by contrast, focused on the temptation that might be it for a future president if they have that what i'm i more worried about using to be worried about the president being chilled. i think that we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into office knowing that there
former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were...
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pecker testified, they also tried to show how pecker had other reasons beyond just helping trump win the white house for running negative stories about trump's opponents. pecker testified that his magazine ran stories about bill and hillary clinton prior to the 20 trump tower meeting we're in agreement to help trump was allegedly breached running those stories was beneficial to ami pecker testified after his testimony wrapped up, prosecutors used the last few hours of the de to call two additional witnesses. >> the first was trump's long time assistants, rhona, let me add to call split's rhona graff was a fixture in trump's office for decades. >> she testified how before trump became president, she was his gatekeeper keeping close track of his contacts, emails, phone calls, and meetings. she told the jury it was a very stimulating exciting fascinating place to be there is no court on monday, so on tuesday they'll likely wrap up with michael cohen's a banker, and then it's not clear who the next big witness will be. they have not said a publicly. >> we're also waiting earned for the j
pecker testified, they also tried to show how pecker had other reasons beyond just helping trump win the white house for running negative stories about trump's opponents. pecker testified that his magazine ran stories about bill and hillary clinton prior to the 20 trump tower meeting we're in agreement to help trump was allegedly breached running those stories was beneficial to ami pecker testified after his testimony wrapped up, prosecutors used the last few hours of the de to call two...
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pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen mcdougal? i said yes. he said i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews or beyond any television shows. so i said, yes. i said we had an agreement by amended it to allow her to speak to the press. does trump got very aggravated when he heard that i mended it. he couldn't understand why i said karen had a two-year agreement. she was flooded with requests from the press for interviews and i amended her agreement at that time, trump said, well, then you paid her. i said yes, i paid her an amended the agreement. he was very upset. he couldn't understand why i did it. in quote, i just want to play what karen mcdougal actually said during the interview or not, we don't have it why would he have why would he have amended? >> i don't understand why would david pecker have amended that agreement with karen mcdougal? >> it's not, clear to me either. i me
pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen mcdougal? i said yes. he said i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews or beyond any television shows. so i said, yes. i said we had an agreement by amended it to allow her to speak to the press. does trump got very aggravated when he heard that i mended it. he couldn't understand why i said karen had a two-year agreement. she was...
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pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout this trial. it's not actually the crux of the criminal case. the crux of the criminal case concerns how and why stormy daniels was paid through michael cohen. that's gonna be the main event for the jurors. with this is all crucial context with the jury's to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. a former us attorney, michael, let's talk a little bit about pecker's testimony. he said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all exp
pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout...
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they wanted david pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with donald trump while pecker was in the investor meeting. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding his decision not to finalize and fund karen macdougal's life rights. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding the august 15 trump tower meeting. they wanted michael cohen's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting per judge marchan's jury instructions. they went right to pecker's testimony. >> and two of those requests relate back to that meeting at trump tower in august of 2015, two months after donald trump announces that he is running for election. david pecker is called by michael cohen. he actually says he knew they wanted something, that's the only reason he ever heard from michael cohen. when he goes there they say what can you do for us, to help the campaign? he says, open the eyes and ears, i'll purchase negative stories off the market while running negative stories about your rivals and helping promote donald trump. that is the layering of this conspiracy to influence the 2016 election. and then what ha
they wanted david pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with donald trump while pecker was in the investor meeting. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding his decision not to finalize and fund karen macdougal's life rights. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding the august 15 trump tower meeting. they wanted michael cohen's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting per judge marchan's jury instructions. they went right to pecker's testimony. >> and two of those...
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but pecker was later pushed by prosecutors on whether there was a difference with trump. did you suppress stories to help a presidential candidate yes, trump said's between you once had. one those involved former "playboy" model karen mcdougal who allegedly had a ten month affair with trump, which trump denied. >> after we had been intimate, he tried to pay me. and i actually didn't know how to take that. >> reporter: the defense argued that mcdougal's $150,000 deal with a mri, which previously owned the "national enquirer," was legitimate. she was paid and featured broadly throughout the publications. but under questioning from prosecutors, pecker said that was meant to disguise the actual purpose, which was to acquire her lifetime rights to her story so it is not published. pecker also acknowledged hiring an election law attorney to review mcdougal's contract. >> the best moment for the prosecution is david pecker saying that he sought legal advice on behalf of his company. that if he continued to do this kind of payment, that it was going to be a campaign violation. th
but pecker was later pushed by prosecutors on whether there was a difference with trump. did you suppress stories to help a presidential candidate yes, trump said's between you once had. one those involved former "playboy" model karen mcdougal who allegedly had a ten month affair with trump, which trump denied. >> after we had been intimate, he tried to pay me. and i actually didn't know how to take that. >> reporter: the defense argued that mcdougal's $150,000 deal with a...
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this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential terms. he was asked what can you do to help the campaign? he's oh, i know what i can do. we're going to find all these negative stories. >> your, quote, eyes and ears. and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just
this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential...
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pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted, quote, i said that anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify michael cohen, as i did, over the last several years. i'm going to keep reading because this is what the jury's likely to be given tomorrow, as they do the review. pecker continuing, i would notify michael cohen. and then he'd be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them purchased. or somebody would have to
pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted,...
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say about pecker's testimony. and that testimony is going to include all the details about the hush money payment to stormy daniels. pecker will be asked about it in detail when he's back in court tomorrow morning. >> and remember, pecker was the one who helped broker the deal between michael cohen, trump's fixer, and former attorney and stormy daniels. >> and this whole deal was about keeping daniel's quiet about an alleged affair with trump. here is the secret audio tape between michael cohen and trump himself. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all the info regarding friend david so that i'm going to do that right away. i've actually come up and i've spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with where we are funding that yes and it's all the stuff i mean trump on tape. so what do we got to pay for this one 50. >> and our friend david, that they're referring to is david pecker. and tomorrow that friend because now i put that in quotes. apparently they're not speaking will b
say about pecker's testimony. and that testimony is going to include all the details about the hush money payment to stormy daniels. pecker will be asked about it in detail when he's back in court tomorrow morning. >> and remember, pecker was the one who helped broker the deal between michael cohen, trump's fixer, and former attorney and stormy daniels. >> and this whole deal was about keeping daniel's quiet about an alleged affair with trump. here is the secret audio tape between...
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then prosecutors calling the first witness, david pecker, to the stand. the former publisher of the national inquirer, who was part of a scheme prosecutors say called catch and kill. abc's senior investigative correspondent aaron katersky leading us off from the courthouse again tonight. >> reporter: donald trump walking into the manhattan courtroom where today for the first time in history a jury heard testimony in a criminal case against a former american president. >> it's a very, very sad day in america. i can tell you that. >> reporter: with trump slouching in his seat and sometimes closing his eyes, prosecutor matthew colangelo began his opening statement charging trump "orchestrated a criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election." taking notes, as the prosecutor laid out his case, accusing trump of falsifying business records to disguise a $130,000 hush payment to porn star stormy daniels days before the election, so voters wouldn't find out about her claim of an affair. at the time, trump was under pressure. news had just broken of th
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testified today about the payment his company did make the former playboy model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet. pecker said he coor
pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she...
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pecker was never reimbursed for the money that was spent. $150,000 or so. the fact that veep says he did this for arnold schwarzenegger, for tiger woods, he also did a for mayor romney manuel. the jury has to scratch his head saying what did trump do wrong here? >> yes. there have been no direct tie like moments ago eric reiterated knoche hyatt to these payments or conversations or negotiations around this, but pecker did say when it came to karen mcdougal's story that they never intended to publish it and that it was to help the campaign. in his estimation, that was his side of the story. he says stories about celebrities including trump sold big. they did really well for him. if he wanted to make money for the tabloids and magazines, he would run those stories so it was to his detriment in some way. at least from a financial or business angle to not run her story and he did indicate from the stand he did it to help the campaign but again, no indication president trump was never part of that conversation. >> john: fox news sunday, shannon, obviously this w
pecker was never reimbursed for the money that was spent. $150,000 or so. the fact that veep says he did this for arnold schwarzenegger, for tiger woods, he also did a for mayor romney manuel. the jury has to scratch his head saying what did trump do wrong here? >> yes. there have been no direct tie like moments ago eric reiterated knoche hyatt to these payments or conversations or negotiations around this, but pecker did say when it came to karen mcdougal's story that they never intended...
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and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of reading stories and trying to keep him happy and trying to get them to contribute and all of that stuff and then once trump campaign started in 2015 and 2016, that is when david pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. persecution said in their opening statement on monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone, paid anyone for information about trump. it is qualitatively process at that point. >> i agree with that. and,
and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to...
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pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance viol
pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross...
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trump, he was skeptical of that pecker says, yes. prosecutor says, how about when you explain the reason that you wanted to extend her contract to mr. trump, ms hicks, and ms sanders, how to mr. trump react to the new plan or how did he react to that plan during that second congress? for station pecker answers, saying trump said, it's your business. you do whatever you plan on doing. so guys, it really talks about how pecker was still moving on this and working with karen mcdougal even after trump took office and having these phone calls with very high level people within the white house during the presidency still dealing with the fallout of these catch and kill deals that they had made leading up to the election yeah. >> the other thing that strikes out to me, laura, about that is that after the election, trump is like whatever you want to do is just fine tim, what did you hear and all of that? >> i mean, a lot of this stuff and i know that everybody wants to say, oh, this is all criminality of the campaigns and everything. but the
trump, he was skeptical of that pecker says, yes. prosecutor says, how about when you explain the reason that you wanted to extend her contract to mr. trump, ms hicks, and ms sanders, how to mr. trump react to the new plan or how did he react to that plan during that second congress? for station pecker answers, saying trump said, it's your business. you do whatever you plan on doing. so guys, it really talks about how pecker was still moving on this and working with karen mcdougal even after...
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trump, do you still like pecker? >> reporter: and then there was stormy daniels, the porn star at the heart of this case. trump charged with falsifying business records to conceal a hush money payment so voters wouldn't learn of their alleged affair. in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star. i am not a bank." ultimately, cohen himself paid daniels $130,000 to keep quiet. prosecutors say trump paid cohen back, falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has denied both affairs. his lawyers claim any effort to bury salacious stories was to protect trump's family. but pecker testifying that's not what he thought. "i thought it was for the campaign," he told the jury. "his family was never mentioned," only "the impact it would have upon the election." david, pecker showed trump no hostility, in fact, even though it has been five y
trump, do you still like pecker? >> reporter: and then there was stormy daniels, the porn star at the heart of this case. trump charged with falsifying business records to conceal a hush money payment so voters wouldn't learn of their alleged affair. in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star. i...
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read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that are important but hopefully the juror will remember, okay, this is just my recollection. let me actually hear what that witness testified to by having the court reporter read it back. >> and i wonder if it can be helpful in this sense and some jurors i talked to, they said, well, in fact most of the jurors i have talked to have said, well, we started with an initial, you know, guilty, not guilty, not sure. and in asking questions, why are you so sure they're guilty, not guilty or unsure, somebody will say, well, i have it here that da
read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that...
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pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with pecker to not beat him up on the stand. he still considers donald trump a friend. i am interesting -- i think it will be fascinating. she, again, has known him for so long. she was working at star magazine that she goes way back with donald trump. >> she was in that crucial meeting in august 2015 where they cooked up this plan where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and she was walking in and out of the meeting. what did she hear? i think that will go to corroborate michael cohen when he gets on the ste
pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with...
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so they're going back what it pecker say, what it pecker say to trump what did what did pecker when they met with cohen and trump and hope hicks coming in and out of that meeting. what happened there? we know what their focuses and they wanna be apprised as suspicious typically, what the law is, but they may have additional questions as they go back, we know obviously what their thought processes as of now all right. >> joey for, me jim. thank
so they're going back what it pecker say, what it pecker say to trump what did what did pecker when they met with cohen and trump and hope hicks coming in and out of that meeting. what happened there? we know what their focuses and they wanna be apprised as suspicious typically, what the law is, but they may have additional questions as they go back, we know obviously what their thought processes as of now all right. >> joey for, me jim. thank
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so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the benefit to him. obviously, it was incurring goodwill with trump and having that access to him and vice-versa burring bad stories about trump highlighting his good stuff and bearing his enemies. so it was like a mutual in their minds, a win-win, i can help you. you helped me and that's pretty much how pecker operated all along. then why the inquirer has the reputation that it has. >> so stay seat to this. i know there was a key testimony for you about how trump to this agreement, this catch and
so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear...
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pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, "the boss," meaning trump, "will take care of it." meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani, and chief of staff mark meadows, were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump, himself, was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that's never been heard before, that he engaged with hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, then-white house staffers, along with trump, about karen mcdougal's contract, raising new questions about the trump administration's implication in this case. norah. >> robert costa, thank you. >>> there's a lot more news ahead on the "cbs overnight news." [birds singing] for nourished, lightweight hair, the right ingredients make all the difference new herbal essences sulfate free is now packed with plant-based ingredients your hair will love. like pure aloe. and c
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it wasn't pecker calling trump or cohen calling pecker. it puts trump at the heart, the lead of the conspiracy, not this passive person with michael cohen in charge going rogue. again, it could be just three jurors who wanted to hear this. but if i'm the prosecutor, i'm happy they are focusing on that. i'm also happy they wanted the law read back, even though it was a lot to read back. i'm hoping they are applying the law and the facts in a really key -- to key in. >> paul charlton, weigh in in terms of the complexity of the case. they have a choice of what the underlying alleged crime could be. that's sort of a dealer's choice. but the fact that they seem to be focused on the heart of the case. what is that telling you as a former prosecutor? >> like katherine, andrea, i try to be humble about these things, cautious how you read these things. it's hard to assign with any real degree of certainty what this means exactly. i would take some comfort in the fact that they are focusing on this aspect of the conspiracy. at the same time, you wil
it wasn't pecker calling trump or cohen calling pecker. it puts trump at the heart, the lead of the conspiracy, not this passive person with michael cohen in charge going rogue. again, it could be just three jurors who wanted to hear this. but if i'm the prosecutor, i'm happy they are focusing on that. i'm also happy they wanted the law read back, even though it was a lot to read back. i'm hoping they are applying the law and the facts in a really key -- to key in. >> paul charlton, weigh...
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and you mentioned dave pecker. pecker, the jury is asking for more testimony from david pecker, and i wonder what that signals to you. >> it's a good day for the prosecutors is what it signals to me. so joshua steinglass in his closing said -- and just took my notes like multiple times about each of these pieces of evidence he said for the trump tower meeting this is really the prism through which you should analyze the evidence in this case, and they asked for testimony about it. with respect to the call that they asked about in june 2016 between pecker and trump, again we're focusing on trump's role. you know, with all the evidence of documents in this case, it's easy to lose sight of the significance of this phone call. and walks them through why it's so significant, right? because this is donald trump directly talking about paying off, you know, karen mcdougal and deputizing michael cohen as the person that he should deal with after that. >> so it's the rosetta stone for the conspiracy. >> yes. and even the mcd
and you mentioned dave pecker. pecker, the jury is asking for more testimony from david pecker, and i wonder what that signals to you. >> it's a good day for the prosecutors is what it signals to me. so joshua steinglass in his closing said -- and just took my notes like multiple times about each of these pieces of evidence he said for the trump tower meeting this is really the prism through which you should analyze the evidence in this case, and they asked for testimony about it. with...
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>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after. >> well, we shall see. listen, we may know this story quite nowell, at least the broa contours of atit, but when it comes down to the actual trial, there is so much to dig into. thank you so much for your time tonight. duncan, i think we have lassoed you inav for one more block, so please stay right there. coming up at long last congress votes to send aid toon ukraine. but don't ask anyone in the republican party if this means the debate is settled. and coming up as we await judge merchan's ruling on the gag order prosecutors are sugges
>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after....
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pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy will be to expose the limits of this witness' testimony. he tells a lot of the story about catch and kill to elect the president, but what he doesn't do, necessarily, is put trump in the room or know what was inside of trump's mind. so what we may see on cross-examination today is more of an effort to reign in the impact that his testimony has on the jury when it comes to donald trump and what he thought, knew, and did. >> we will be watching. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, thank you so much, as always. >>> susan glasser, getting back to your piece about "king donald's day at t
pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy...
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he asked pecker if he felt cohen was prone to exaggeration pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we sitting in this courthouse. >> i just want to thank everybody for being here you have to separate through this hey, everybody else michael cohen's banker would then took the witness stand in the afternoon and he was describing how he helped michael cohen's setup the bank account that he ultimately used for the shell company that transferred that $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday, but this banker will be back on the stand tuesday for more questioning by prosecutors before trump's lawyers will get a turn at him. >> wolf, kara scannell outside the courthouse in new york. thanks very much. i want to bring in our legal experts right now, cnn's katelyn polantz and norm eisen are here and former trump attorney tim parlatore is here as well. and caitlin, let me start with you. i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me
he asked pecker if he felt cohen was prone to exaggeration pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we sitting in this courthouse. >> i just want to thank everybody for being here you have to separate through this hey, everybody else michael cohen's banker would then took the witness stand in the afternoon and he was describing how he helped michael cohen's setup the bank account that he ultimately used for the shell company that transferred that...
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, let's look at pecker's testimony. there is a whole slew of reasons why this could be happening. i think the meeting itself, that's the first step chronologically and it really speaks to that idea of conspiracy. but we could absolutely hear more questions, because keep in mind, we have documents, you know, 34 different business records that serve as the basis to this case. and this meeting and the testimony we're hearing about, this really relates to that predicate crime, that election law conspiracy more so than the falsification of the records themselves. >> you know, i'm going to keep on going back and cash in a dollar on one of my tea leaf comments. i think when you consider what the reading back in terms of the testimony and you couple that with the readback of the jury instruction for the elements of falsifying business records, which is charge number one, the same thing as charge two, ten and 34, to me, if i'm guessing a little bit, they now are considering the elements of the crime pretty early. so they're movi
, let's look at pecker's testimony. there is a whole slew of reasons why this could be happening. i think the meeting itself, that's the first step chronologically and it really speaks to that idea of conspiracy. but we could absolutely hear more questions, because keep in mind, we have documents, you know, 34 different business records that serve as the basis to this case. and this meeting and the testimony we're hearing about, this really relates to that predicate crime, that election law...
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pecker said when mr. trump called me he said, he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper and i said yes, i did. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this. and each time she reaches the agreement it is a one million-dollar penalty and based on the interview with anderson cooper, donald trump talk about himself she owes him $24 million. john says, that is what donald trump told you, pecker said, that is what he told me. >> you recently interviewed stormy daniels. there is some money -- >> that was a desperate problem for stormy daniels. but when she was represented by michael, he slew donald trump on her behalf for defamation. that case was not only thrown out of court but the judge in california awarded attorney fees to donald trump because the judge said the case was frivolous. those were assessed against the client, stormy daniels, not against the lawyer. that debt which has been multiplying is currently about $67
pecker said when mr. trump called me he said, he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper and i said yes, i did. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this. and each time she reaches the agreement it is a one million-dollar penalty and based on the interview with anderson cooper, donald trump talk about himself she owes him $24 million. john says, that is what donald trump told you, pecker said, that is...
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to david pecker and liked david pecker more than he liked donald trump no. >> it is. and this is analysis from abby phillip who is inside the prosecution is laying out evidence and speaks to why michael cohen was so concerned that david pecker was furious about not being repaid there was a lot of information that the tabloid had on trump in a secure drawer. cohen didn't know what was in it, but he wanted to make sure pecker remained loyal to trump. so that's the significance. of that. and then inside the courtroom after being asked if you ever altered the recording and michael cohen says no, was it typical for you to discuss financial matters with allen weisselberg? prosecuting attorney susan hoffinger asks, it was typical for everyone to discuss financial matters with allen weisselberg, cohen says, cohen also notes at weisselberg was a longtime loyal employee to trump. >> so the word loyal, let's just talk about what's behind everything here, which is michael cohen's credibility and i think it's important to remind our audience. he is not getting anything for his tes
to david pecker and liked david pecker more than he liked donald trump no. >> it is. and this is analysis from abby phillip who is inside the prosecution is laying out evidence and speaks to why michael cohen was so concerned that david pecker was furious about not being repaid there was a lot of information that the tabloid had on trump in a secure drawer. cohen didn't know what was in it, but he wanted to make sure pecker remained loyal to trump. so that's the significance. of that. and...
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pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that has never been heard before, that he engaged with hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, then white house staffers, along with trump, about karen mcdougal's contract, raising new questions about the trump administration's implication in this case. norah? >> norah: robert costa, thank you. tonight, a stunning blow to the case that sparked the #metoo movement. disgraced movie mogul harvey weinstein had his felony sex crime convictions overturned today by new york's highest court. cbs's jericka duncan has been covering this story since the scandal broke in 2017. and
pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that has...
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and pecker gibbs prosecutors, what they want. he's going to testify hi to that. >> we also saw this hearing this morning where it was discussed whether trump violated a gag order which prevents him from talking publicly about witnesses in jurors in the case. the penalty is a. $1,000 per offense. explain why it's seems like small change for him. >> a lot of people have asked me about that as well, briana and $1,000 seems really small, but look, it's set by new york law in new york judiciary loss 7501 sets $1,000 per instance. so per statement, per comment, whatever or and, or it could be either 30 days in jail. now, it wouldn't be uncommon for a judge to start low and then work their way up to jail because you also have to remember donald trump in this case has not been formally sanctioned. it's all the other cases where he's had gag orders and so on. so it's not so surprising that that he's talking about this is what the prosecutors have asked for. they've asked for fines. now if donald trump is sanctioned, if there is one statem
and pecker gibbs prosecutors, what they want. he's going to testify hi to that. >> we also saw this hearing this morning where it was discussed whether trump violated a gag order which prevents him from talking publicly about witnesses in jurors in the case. the penalty is a. $1,000 per offense. explain why it's seems like small change for him. >> a lot of people have asked me about that as well, briana and $1,000 seems really small, but look, it's set by new york law in new york...