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pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, "the boss," meaning trump, "will take care of it." meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani, and chief of staff mark meadows, were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump, himself, was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that's never been heard before, that he engaged with hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, then-white house staffers, along with trump, about karen mcdougal's contract, raising new questions about the trump administration's implication in this case. norah. >> robert costa, thank you. >>> there's a lot more news ahead on the "cbs overnight news." [birds singing] for nourished, lightweight hair, the right ingredients make all the difference new herbal essences sulfate free is now packed with plant-based ingredients your hair will love. like pure aloe. and c
pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, "the boss," meaning trump, "will take care of it." meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani, and chief of staff mark meadows, were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump, himself, was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. pecker also made a...
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pecker said today he does not recall that fbi testimony. trump's lawyers also exposed that business deals may have served as a motivation for pecker to enter a nonprosecution agreement with the southern district of new york for campaign finance violations. pecker testified many of the negative stories he published about trump's opponents already existed in the public domain. he said running negative stories particularly about former president bill clinton and former secretary of state lloyd clinton was good for his business. court started this morning with trump's attorneys clarifying that questions about hick's presence at a trump tower meeting in 2015, pecker said she was in and out of that meeting and her presence is important because it would show a level of campaign involvement in those talks. now just before lunch pecker also spoke about his experience suppressing stories about arnold schwarzenegger and he said he learned from that experience because there was an investigation after he did that so he was much more careful while dealin
pecker said today he does not recall that fbi testimony. trump's lawyers also exposed that business deals may have served as a motivation for pecker to enter a nonprosecution agreement with the southern district of new york for campaign finance violations. pecker testified many of the negative stories he published about trump's opponents already existed in the public domain. he said running negative stories particularly about former president bill clinton and former secretary of state lloyd...
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and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the national enquirer and try to tell their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it. >> and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't intereste
and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it was false from the start. in other words, sometimes you have something come out, it has to be corrected. this should have been corrected in advanced. it never should have run because they knew it was, quote, manufactured, according to the star witness himself. and trump used all this against cruz at the time, and cruz punched back. >> all i did is point out the fact that on the cover of the "national enquirer" there is a picture him and crazy lee harvey oswald having breakfast. now ted never denied that it was his father. instead he said dona
on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it...
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pecker said that's correct. and the prosecutor said, and despite the fact that publishing that story would have helped your bottom line, you killed the story because it helped the candidate donald trump pecker said yes. so they're counter and cutting against the standard operating procedure, obviously, if this was national enquirer gold and they would have made a fortune off the headline. they decided not to publish it and that was the point prosecutors we're trying to push that. this was for donald trump's candidacy, not for the bottom line. >> prosecution gold. >> i mean, to get him to admit that i was willing to do something that was contrary to my bottom line to help a candidate that's exactly what they need to say. >> and that's what the prosecution's trying to do in order to make michael cohen irrelevant. levin, frankly. and could you just explain to me because i don't understand how is that a cry house that an elements of the crimes are the elements that the judge is going to read after the summation so t
pecker said that's correct. and the prosecutor said, and despite the fact that publishing that story would have helped your bottom line, you killed the story because it helped the candidate donald trump pecker said yes. so they're counter and cutting against the standard operating procedure, obviously, if this was national enquirer gold and they would have made a fortune off the headline. they decided not to publish it and that was the point prosecutors we're trying to push that. this was for...
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pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael cohen? who was obviously a flawed witness. a convicted admitted perjurer. >> building up mr. cohen's credibility, andrea, might be a long walk through dry sand. he's a criminal and a liar, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth here at trial. so what you're really trying to do is corroborate him. and by the way, i have said this before, in many years as a prosecutor, i wish all of my witnesses were nuns and librarians but they're not the ones who are around when crimes are committed. this may sound trite and it ma
pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
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>> bueno, ¿quien es david pecker? >> es editor, ex editor de la revista national enquirer, tambien enquirer, tambien superviso tabloides como star human fitness hizo tratos con celebridades, pues para evitar publicaciones negativas por lo que le consideran maestro, en esta tecnica que hemos escuchado en este caso catch and kill que en espanol se traduce a atrapar y matar. >> ¿por que? >> atrapar y matar, le cuento a un sistema creado para comprar derechos exclusivos de historias negativas con el fin de garantizar que estas no se publiquen y no salgan a la luz. >> de este modo, teddy pecker alerto a trump sobre las intenciones de stormy daniels de hacer publica su relacion con el, lo que desencadeno el pago a la actriz porno para comprar este silencio que sin duda tambien sera un testigo clave en este caso. >> en este segundo dia, como lo escuchabamos, david pecker volvio a testificar y se le pregunto en especifico sobre david cohen. >> david pecker describio su testimonio pues haber publicado historias negativas de l
>> bueno, ¿quien es david pecker? >> es editor, ex editor de la revista national enquirer, tambien enquirer, tambien superviso tabloides como star human fitness hizo tratos con celebridades, pues para evitar publicaciones negativas por lo que le consideran maestro, en esta tecnica que hemos escuchado en este caso catch and kill que en espanol se traduce a atrapar y matar. >> ¿por que? >> atrapar y matar, le cuento a un sistema creado para comprar derechos exclusivos de...
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so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire karen mcdougal's lifetime rate ? david pecker responded, "yes, that is correct." "i called michael cohen, i said the agreement, the assignment deal is off. i'm not going forward. it is a bad idea. i want you to rip up the agreement. " in other words, david pecker had a brush with this in the past, campaign finance law and how it is located in a catch and kill scheme for a candidate, thought about them doing the same thing here, had a talk with his lawyer, decided receiving the money for the express purpose of paying off trum
so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire...
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were underway and the conservatives who as we know, have a majority on the court, appeared to embrace at least some form of criminal immunity for presidents, the liberal minority, by contrast, focused on the temptation that might be it for a future president if they have that what i'm i more worried about using to be worried about the president being chilled. i think that we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into office knowing that there
former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were...
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pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen mcdougal? i said yes. he said i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews or beyond any television shows. so i said, yes. i said we had an agreement by amended it to allow her to speak to the press. does trump got very aggravated when he heard that i mended it. he couldn't understand why i said karen had a two-year agreement. she was flooded with requests from the press for interviews and i amended her agreement at that time, trump said, well, then you paid her. i said yes, i paid her an amended the agreement. he was very upset. he couldn't understand why i did it. in quote, i just want to play what karen mcdougal actually said during the interview or not, we don't have it why would he have why would he have amended? >> i don't understand why would david pecker have amended that agreement with karen mcdougal? >> it's not, clear to me either. i me
pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen mcdougal? i said yes. he said i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews or beyond any television shows. so i said, yes. i said we had an agreement by amended it to allow her to speak to the press. does trump got very aggravated when he heard that i mended it. he couldn't understand why i said karen had a two-year agreement. she was...
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trump, he was skeptical of that pecker says, yes. prosecutor says, how about when you explain the reason that you wanted to extend her contract to mr. trump, ms hicks, and ms sanders, how to mr. trump react to the new plan or how did he react to that plan during that second congress? for station pecker answers, saying trump said, it's your business. you do whatever you plan on doing. so guys, it really talks about how pecker was still moving on this and working with karen mcdougal even after trump took office and having these phone calls with very high level people within the white house during the presidency still dealing with the fallout of these catch and kill deals that they had made leading up to the election yeah. >> the other thing that strikes out to me, laura, about that is that after the election, trump is like whatever you want to do is just fine tim, what did you hear and all of that? >> i mean, a lot of this stuff and i know that everybody wants to say, oh, this is all criminality of the campaigns and everything. but the
trump, he was skeptical of that pecker says, yes. prosecutor says, how about when you explain the reason that you wanted to extend her contract to mr. trump, ms hicks, and ms sanders, how to mr. trump react to the new plan or how did he react to that plan during that second congress? for station pecker answers, saying trump said, it's your business. you do whatever you plan on doing. so guys, it really talks about how pecker was still moving on this and working with karen mcdougal even after...
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they've been so good, the pecker headlines. it's been amusing. but pecker back today. lisa rubin, the interesting point i think danny was building on, and your thoughts on what you expect today, you saw in the pecker testimony him really laying out plans for certain stories. even saying about a story that turned out not to be that -- not to really have legs was about the doorman and some baby, illegitimate child, and how he'd wait until after the election to put that story out if he could get more on it. showing really that they were framing everything they were doing around the election. >> he said it had to do with the election. it wasn't to protect trump personally, like they were saying. everything was timed for the election. >> exactly. lisa, with that in mind, what are you looking for today? >> i'm looking for more evidence, mika, of direct conversations between pecker and trump. he started in august 2015 at trump tower. he ended the other day starting to talk about a phone call they had in june 2016 when trump called him up to say michael cohen had informed him
they've been so good, the pecker headlines. it's been amusing. but pecker back today. lisa rubin, the interesting point i think danny was building on, and your thoughts on what you expect today, you saw in the pecker testimony him really laying out plans for certain stories. even saying about a story that turned out not to be that -- not to really have legs was about the doorman and some baby, illegitimate child, and how he'd wait until after the election to put that story out if he could get...
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and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call it the magazine like the national enquirer and try to sell them their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember is stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't int
and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the benefit to him. obviously, it was incurring goodwill with trump and having that access to him and vice-versa burring bad stories about trump highlighting his good stuff and bearing his enemies. so it was like a mutual in their minds, a win-win, i can help you. you helped me and that's pretty much how pecker operated all along. then why the inquirer has the reputation that it has. >> so stay seat to this. i know there was a key testimony for you about how trump to this agreement, this catch and
so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear...
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for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate and business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or unlawfully allegedly us what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not that we were not able to confirm that story. in fact, we debunked it, but had it been real, we would have released it after the election. it was very clear that what they were doing was about the election. and at that point when you're paying, wasn't to protect melania trump. it was about the right if it was then he wouldn't have released it after the election. he was doing these caching kills fine. but when it was about the election, those aren't when you're paying people. it's an in-kind donations and you have to declare that at a dangerous point there and asked hi
for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate and business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or unlawfully allegedly us what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not that we were not able...
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pecker said he asked to asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that has never been heard before, that he engaged with hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, then white house staffers come along with trump, about karen mcdougal's contract, raising new questins about the trump administration's implication in this case. norah? >> norah: robert costa, thank you. tonight, a stunning blow to the case that sparked the #metoo movement. disgraced movie mogul harvey wants to have his felony sex crime convictions overturned today by new york's highest court. cbs's jericka duncan has been covering this story since the scandal broke in 2017. and a warning, some
pecker said he asked to asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that has never been...
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trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always referred to as mr. trump. and we knew that he was always out there defending his reputation, i think to marcus is point this fits with what we know oh, about how meticulously trump pays attention to his image in the media, right? he, right. while this trial was going on, he's tweeting about the details of the way he's being covered in the new york times. so to this day, i think it's very much fits with what we know about how donald trump has always very carefully managed perceptions of himself, always very carefully monitored the media coverage of himself. but it's wild to actually get this behind the scenes glimpse, ri
trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always...
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pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with pecker to not beat him up on the stand. he still considers donald trump a friend. i am interesting -- i think it will be fascinating. she, again, has known him for so long. she was working at star magazine that she goes way back with donald trump. >> she was in that crucial meeting in august 2015 where they cooked up this plan where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and she was walking in and out of the meeting. what did she hear? i think that will go to corroborate michael cohen when he gets on the ste
pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with...
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david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that? okay. we're, we went back and we found, it actually circulated on social media. tom winter is a pro's pro and probably the kind of reporter that lives in both worlds. that does talk to those kinds of sources that know where people move and with whom they move. let me show you that report about that meeting and who was in it. >> the first discussion of this so-called catch and kill come up in august 2015. so the "wall street journal" reported back in november and nbc news has now confirmed that in fact the other ca
david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that?...
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as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself is the falsification of the business records. david pecker's knowledge primarily pertains to that antecedent, the conspiracy. he wasn't around for the second part of the scheme. we're going to have to rely on other witnesses, other evidence, and largely michael cohen and business records to get to the evidence that proves that second part of the criminal activity that is necessary here. yes, the conspiracy is necessary to make it a felony, but first yaw got to find that trump actually intended to and knew that he was participating in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something
as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself...
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one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of burying stories and get him happy and contribute daand all that stuff. and then once trump's campaign started in 2015 and 2017, that's when pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. i mean prosecution said in their opening statement monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone -- paid anyone for information about trump. it's a qualitatively different process at that point. >> i agree with that and the payments were abnormal even by enquirer standards. pecker testified a
one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for...
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pecker explains the by the boss. donald, every appellate lawyer is going to be looking at this portion of the testimony very closely for the reasons because this is not the charged conduct. >> this is the prior behavior that creates a pattern at the prosecution's talking to say, this is what they normally did stormy seem different. here's who paid or didn't pay. here's the timing of it is closer to the election. >> is there a look at these issues and say to themselves, should the jury be hearing this information, it is it is prejudicial, but it also was probative. >> do this, they have to balance these two things to figure out what the duration actually here inside some cases have already been overturned for these very reasons to suggest if the jury hears two months, it might be about non charged conduct is problematic, but trump now it's covering with attorneys as he's testifying where hearing a little bit of color in the core mu shutting his eyes as he listened to remember this person, david pecker, someone he knew
pecker explains the by the boss. donald, every appellate lawyer is going to be looking at this portion of the testimony very closely for the reasons because this is not the charged conduct. >> this is the prior behavior that creates a pattern at the prosecution's talking to say, this is what they normally did stormy seem different. here's who paid or didn't pay. here's the timing of it is closer to the election. >> is there a look at these issues and say to themselves, should the...
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pecker's answer. i thought it was for the campaign we have a lot to talk about within legal commentator and former trump white house lawyer, jim shultz for repel or prosecutor jean rossi, former january 6 committee investigative counsel, markets childress. former us attorney, and the author of the forthcoming book, pardon power. it can wally and former republican congressman joe walsh so glad to have all of you guys here. i want to ask you first about what took place. there was the cross-examination here, marcus, because there was a lot i mean, this is not the michael cohen witness where everyone knows you're gonna go after his credibility. in fact, that he has different guilty pleas for false false statements and beyond this, would david pecker, a long time? friend, who has immunity, who has a non-prosecution agreement. >> how did they do what you're trying to chip away at this point on cross-examination, you're not one for knock-out, blow i mean, we've heard you talk about the jigsaw puzzle for the
pecker's answer. i thought it was for the campaign we have a lot to talk about within legal commentator and former trump white house lawyer, jim shultz for repel or prosecutor jean rossi, former january 6 committee investigative counsel, markets childress. former us attorney, and the author of the forthcoming book, pardon power. it can wally and former republican congressman joe walsh so glad to have all of you guys here. i want to ask you first about what took place. there was the...
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all of this will lead to tomorrow when david pecker is expected to take a stand again. notably also the gag order hearing tomorrow morning. the prosecution has asked the judge to punish donald trump for violating the gag order. notably when donald trump left the courthouse today, what did he do is this he attacked one of the witnesses, michael cohen. this will come down to the determination of judge merchan over whether donald trump actually violated the gag order and any consequences that may follow. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. joining us now, former assistant district attorney for the manhattan d.a.'s office and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian, and legal analyst, danny cevallos. we're going to be talking about david pecker and the other witnesses expected on the case tomorrow. i want to start with the opening remarks today. both by the prosecution and the defense. prosecution about 45 minutes, almost to the exact second, 30 seconds into it. the defense was supposed to do 25 minutes, ended up 35 minutes. there were some interruptions. how did you se
all of this will lead to tomorrow when david pecker is expected to take a stand again. notably also the gag order hearing tomorrow morning. the prosecution has asked the judge to punish donald trump for violating the gag order. notably when donald trump left the courthouse today, what did he do is this he attacked one of the witnesses, michael cohen. this will come down to the determination of judge merchan over whether donald trump actually violated the gag order and any consequences that may...
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i think david pecker is ke to the put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea _ put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea of _ put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea of intent _ put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea of intent here. - key to the idea of intent here. donald trumps the team has said in their opening statements that donald trump didn't pay the hush money payments to stormy daniels because of the election it was all about protecting his and his brand. what we heard from david pecker is very different. although he didn't get to the stormy daniels payment he outlined several part of this catch and kill scheme. he said it all began when donald trump at his former lawyer michael cohen requested a meeting in august of 2015 and asked david pecker, how can you help the campaign for the bat for the prosecution really establishes intent that the soul of the alleged catch and kill scheme was to benefit donald trumps campaign for that and david pecker outlined how we not only publi
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david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for years, and he knew him to be detailed oriented and almost a micromanager. that's hard to distance someone. if you're a micromanager and you're detail oriented, it's hard to say you are hands off. so you can expect them to do that. you can also expect them to try with mr. pecker to talk about other stories, negative stories and falsehoods that were published not at the behest of donald trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to
david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for...
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pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker in direct basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. >> it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald charles. >> i was at a campaign contribution because it
pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't...
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today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting to see, like you said, sarah, who is the next witness, is it someone who deals with the accounting inside ami or within the trump organization or is it michael cohen, another quite arguably the star witness for the prosecution so we'll have to wait and see. of course, we don't know because they are not giving away that witness lists or rather the order of that witness list. this ahead of time because of the fear that donald trump will post about them on social media and such. so we'll standby all right. >> brand jin grass standing by for court to resume. appre
today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting...
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trump said pecker did not like the idea but candidate trump said pecker would get back to him in due time. wasn't a good day for the former president. before proceedings had gotten underway, the judge was scolding him over his social meeta page, which the prosecution say had breached the gag order. if they were hoping that admonishment would exchange his behavior, they might be disappointed. >> i think the gag order is totally uncongress institutional. can't even allow articles to be put in. articles over the last day and a half saying the case is a sham and it shouldn't be retried or everyone submitted. to me, a gag is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people and not allowed to talk about me and they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way. in a courtroom all day long sitting up as straight as i can all day long because you know what, it's a very unfair situation. christian: let's catch up with our north northwestern correspondent who's been covering the trial for us. where did the judge get to with the prosecutors's claim that he had breached th
trump said pecker did not like the idea but candidate trump said pecker would get back to him in due time. wasn't a good day for the former president. before proceedings had gotten underway, the judge was scolding him over his social meeta page, which the prosecution say had breached the gag order. if they were hoping that admonishment would exchange his behavior, they might be disappointed. >> i think the gag order is totally uncongress institutional. can't even allow articles to be put...
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where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was running for president. >> charles, does it matter that they were long time friends, associates, people who worked together for a long time? does that give him more credibility? >> i think it does. the prosecutors are going to tie that into their narrative around why you should believe him and why he's credible. i think when you're setting the stage, giving a jury a very clear picture around what's happening, you have to give to the jury a reason why you should be believing these witnesses and their testimony. so for the reasons you've just mentioned, i think that pecker is going to be a very import
where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was...
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it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured. right down to the doctored photo. however bad it looks they said it was not a trump campaign thing. it is just how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal. pecker said the agreement i had with arnold is i would advise him about stories out there. acquire them. buy them for a period of time. defense highlighting cohen didn't pay him back for the mcdougal story to get jurors to doubt if this was a trump campaign thing. i spoke to h
it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously...
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quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he came across as credible. i don't think donald trump's defense team really made a dent in his testimony. and by the time they get to closing arguments i think the highlights of testimony will be what the jurors remember. and, the fact that he was such a strong prosecution witness, pretty calm and collected going to the whole thing on the witness stand. he was pretty unflappable. you know, it's interesting to watch how donald trump is reacting to this. that was his friend. he didn't attack him unlike other witnesses. i wonder why. pecker knows
quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he...
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david pecker helps with that a lot. he talks about a lot of conversations between him and michael cohen. michael cohen is likely going to say, i talked to david pecker. here's what we said. and if the prosecutors get what they want, it will be consistent. >> george: they'll probably put hope hicks in there as well. >> exactly. they can back up everything of michael cohen before he comes in so the stage has been set. >> george: let's turn to the supreme court. looks like yesterday donald trump lost one battle but won a bigger war. >> look, his attorney gave up on this absolute immunity argument. right? which was always silly, this idea that no matter what you do as president, private or public conduct, you are immuned. his attorney conceding we're not talking about private conduct. why is he doing that? because this is going to make it much more likely that it's going to take a longer time as things move forward. if you view the goal of the trump team as delay, it was the smartest thing they could do. >> george: right. t
david pecker helps with that a lot. he talks about a lot of conversations between him and michael cohen. michael cohen is likely going to say, i talked to david pecker. here's what we said. and if the prosecutors get what they want, it will be consistent. >> george: they'll probably put hope hicks in there as well. >> exactly. they can back up everything of michael cohen before he comes in so the stage has been set. >> george: let's turn to the supreme court. looks like...
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he asked pecker if he felt cohen was prone to exaggeration pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we sitting in this courthouse. >> i just want to thank everybody for being here you have to separate through this hey, everybody else michael cohen's banker would then took the witness stand in the afternoon and he was describing how he helped michael cohen's setup the bank account that he ultimately used for the shell company that transferred that $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday, but this banker will be back on the stand tuesday for more questioning by prosecutors before trump's lawyers will get a turn at him. >> wolf, kara scannell outside the courthouse in new york. thanks very much. i want to bring in our legal experts right now, cnn's katelyn polantz and norm eisen are here and former trump attorney tim parlatore is here as well. and caitlin, let me start with you. i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me
he asked pecker if he felt cohen was prone to exaggeration pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we sitting in this courthouse. >> i just want to thank everybody for being here you have to separate through this hey, everybody else michael cohen's banker would then took the witness stand in the afternoon and he was describing how he helped michael cohen's setup the bank account that he ultimately used for the shell company that transferred that...
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pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in court today involved a trump building doorman, who was selling what turned out to be a fake story about trump fathering a son. pecker told the jury today he bought the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any axe to grind with donald trump and seems almost apologetic for having to tell this story. >> rep
pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual...
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participants, donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen where according to pecker, this is where they first said donald trump is now running for office and we need to take care of these stories that might make him look bad in the campaign. very importantly, in the campaign, we're going to hear from michael cohen, of course, about that meeting two, that's how you though about what the cross might look like. you're obviously hearing the direct examination right now with the prosecution. this is their lead witness they're asking questions, but then the defense is going to have their bite at the apple. >> yeah. i think there's gonna be a couple of main lines of cross-examination. david pecker is testifying pursuant to what we call a non-prosecution agreement, meaning prosecutors have given him a free pass in exchange for his testimony, and i think the cross-examination argument is going to be first of all, was there a crime here or not? and if so, why or you walk when they're trying to lock up donald trump, how is that fair? we also are going to hear i think cross-examination about w
participants, donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen where according to pecker, this is where they first said donald trump is now running for office and we need to take care of these stories that might make him look bad in the campaign. very importantly, in the campaign, we're going to hear from michael cohen, of course, about that meeting two, that's how you though about what the cross might look like. you're obviously hearing the direct examination right now with the prosecution. this...
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answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the stand for about two hours today. first, what he says counts as the normal amount of money for the checkbook journalism he says his company does. anything over $10,000, that would be unusual. that would be out of bounds. that would have to get personal approval from him as chairman, ceo from not just one of these publications but the entire company with dozens of publications. $10,000 was the ceiling. beyond that, it had to go personally through him. in this case prosecutors say they'll present evidence that ami was doi
answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the...
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pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way that's quite grandfatherly. i think it's going to be interesting to see what they choose to approach him on, on cross examination. >> michael steele, i just kept thinking that this is a man who -- i'm not there to absorb the grandfatherly touches. he was the most eligible bachelor. he was never that. he was married. three times but still almost always married. it's going to be awkward to try to discredit him without also discrediting all of the lovely things he said about donald trump. >> yeah. it's one of those dynamics when you are lookin
pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way...
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pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald trouser, house of a campaign contribution. because it's money spent for the benefit of the campaign. oh, come on. you don't think that's pecker gave some really important testimony today about that where he said that when it got close to the campaign, trump express concern about stories coming out about allegations of affa
pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's...
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>> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize with all of the reasons he is in a stressful position right now. to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team, finally amount i am going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast. he was just spouting vulgarities all of the time about trump. he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> as we await this testimony, this was the new yor
>> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize...
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they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those stories that come up, i would speak to michael cohen and tell them these are the stories that are going to be for sale that if we don't buy them somebody else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a
they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those...
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and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of reading stories and trying to keep him happy and trying to get them to contribute and all of that stuff and then once trump campaign started in 2015 and 2016, that is when david pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. persecution said in their opening statement on monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone, paid anyone for information about trump. it is qualitatively process at that point. >> i agree with that. and,
and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to...
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pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6 case we'll be right back so this to playoffs, great teammates trust each other. >> we're going to do a trust falls, stand up, trust what you're certainly up doc told you here's a dummy kinda riva support your brain health. married janet. hey, eddie, know fraser, franck. frank bred
pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do...