charlie: well cop to the broadcast tonight esident obama in russia andhat his speeches in cairo and prague s abouhis policy. >> a sers of themes ve emergeand the not-so-subtl ssage is you didn't like the predessor and i'm not like him. i'm friendlier and morewilling to listen a have multateral instincts and that plays well in some places and not so well in othe. >> they reach out to north koreand have been slapped back inarticularly by the north koreanand it's surprisin to some peopl in the administtion though it ouldn't have been if you look at north korea th's what they do again and aga and the we'r

going to reach out to you and include you they haven't quite tten the response. >> charlie: we look at forme secretary of state henry kissinr and the events of one year, 1973. >> durg the yom kippur war i'm amazed how quickly he realized what he goi on new mexico in a way quicker than t peagon d cia. his beef early on in thea on ths coming o on top. >> chaie: and henry kissinger and obama comi up. .

>> captioning sponsored by rose communicaons from our sdios in new york city, this is charlie rose >>harlie: we begin with our contind coverage of president obama's visit ssia. the president met russian prime minister vdamir putin and it was the first meeting between the two leaders and then addressed the aduating class in an economic sool in moscow d it aiculated his broad

foreign policy vision in elier this sprin pragu he atmpted to close the divisions betwn the west and coinues to reset relatns betwn russia and the uted states a urged both nations to shed archc world views. >> there's a 20th centuryiew that united states and russia are destined to be antagoned and a strong russia and america caonly asser themselves one another and there's a 19th century view we're destined to vie for of influence and forces must forge competing blocks to compete. these assumptions i one. in 2009 a great power doesn't demonize oths.

>> charlie: and he saidmerica and rush have cmon interestings. that's hard to chang habits that have been in grained in our government a tour okay ar bureaf decades. we share a basis and it's n for me to define russia's national interest and i can tell you about amica's and we share a common ground. >> charlie: joining me is miael mantelbaum and marth raddatz. i'm pleased to have both onhe broadcast. what ds resetmean, michael? >> russn-american relations have been bad f going on 15 years now. the downward spiral staed in the 1990s when the united states

decided toxpand the coldar alliance nato eastward a made it cle russia would ver be allowed join an this cread ill-will in russia that has carried over intohe 21st century and in the 21st century mr. putin came to office as a libel reformer and hasaken a dictorial form so ruian policy has become more repressi and russiaarried out a more anti-americapolicy and the obama administraon i think hopes to stop the doward spal and though it's to the going possible any time soon to ha the kind o cordi relationship with russia we hoped for it's possibl to do better tn we've done by ncrete agreements such as arms control that'swhat a believe the investigation isrying to do. >> and i think it's a lot abt

tone. people have critized president obama forontinuing to use the term, reboot, reset. what doethat meanut there is a change i tone and i think it's aeally important first step. >> charl: how much iran part of this conversations? >> ins hovers in the background of everhing and the president did ntion iran. it mentioned t dangers of nuclear prolifation in his speech at thnew econom scho in moscow toy. i ought it was a very good speech incidentally where he went over the ads of the ssian leaders and talked to the society and especially young russians and note all the areas where thenited states and russia have commongreement and the ring generation d common terest is the hope foran evenal improvent with retions but in the meantime we have a problem with the nucar agreement and should be a

problem for russia well, ira closer to them to the united stat to have nlear weapons and far r a varie o reons shay have not joed usn i am posing sanctionsnd my guess is in private he ma a pit for a eater cooperative effort with russia tstop the weapons program. whether we got satisfaion dot know. >> thas my bet too, they had to tal about iran at one point in these coersations i heard chicag chairman othe jo chief of staff the window is closing in iran and could have a nuclear weapon inne to two ars or someone else riking iran.

>> charlie: meang? isrl, probly. that's what he means in terms a window if that happen soon it's not looking to e when they hava nuclear weaponnd whenhe israelis also dide th're sohreatened they have to do something about it. i thought general mullen sounded more concerned than he has in a long timand saying all the options are on theable includinmilitary opons and hasaid that in the past but for while. >> charlie: at do you ma of wh the vice president said when h was in iraq? >> in rms of iran? >> charliein terms of ira and israel. >> well i think the vice president,ometimes the vice present isn't ectlyon the same page that's administration in general. but g generally he sees it's th as well and the united states isn't going to sp something lik that,srael has

its own saty. >> you think if heaid if israel goes ahead he will not try to sp them. >> ihink they're concerned about whether isra goes ahead d that's a point that airal mullen made today if someone else tries to strik it has a huge effect in the rion andwe would ve to pay for at as we in terms of relaonships th those coutrie >> chaie: let me move back to russia since the psident is there. the issue of georgia and the ukraine in tms ofrussia's intentions and what is important to russia, miael? >> this is a vy tricky issue. as mentioned, we have eanded r alliance system up to russia's borders. ukine and georgiare bot on russia borders and both want to join nato. georgia ry much wts to join, ukraine is dividednd we've

taken the decision that country that wishes to jn should be kept out and that doesn't seem have apied to russian the past but that's a dierent matter. the rusans have made clear they tak very siously the prosct of these two coutries nato and they wou not be silent a respond in some shion if gegia and ukraine join nato. we're in a box. we're in a fix. on o hand it becomes dangerous to go aad wh member. and france and germany in particular will veto membershi for ukrain and georgia but we can't say categoricallyhey can join because it would under cut everything we said sincee started natoso we're in a box d about what the obama administrationill hope to do

is tellhem nothing will happen immeately and the russians should not hol backtheir cooperatn inarms conol and iran but without statesingwh the russians want. we're in a tough situation a the administration will try to finesse. >>harlie: with human rights and demracy and those issues on the table in moscow in e conversation with meedev or putin? >> i'm not sure, charlie, to tell you the truth i don't think they'veut human rights on top of any agenda in y meetin in my travels with clinn to china itas definitely notn top of the agenda. they're trying to common ground

and the first tween president obama and t russis. i imagine it wasn'ton the top of the agenda it might have be mentioned but i didn't hea it. >> charlie: at is the emerging obama foreignolicy with a speech aboutuclear noroferation and speech in iro about the western world and spee in moscow about former adversaries finding common ground. dowe see emerng and if w so, what are the elements of an obama foreign policy as expressed in these thoughtful speech h it acknowledge american isss and american spect and cmon needs. chael. >> i think you hav stated at have seen and heard far. a series of themes and tones and thnot so subtle message is you didn't li my edecessor and

m not like h. i'llilling to list and hav muilateral instincts andhat pls well in som places an nowell in oers. >>harlie: factor thatn with the addition and pakistan and the region younow well >>al the pointsou both hit on but when i look at a place like pakistan and afghanistan and there's aegional approh, i'm not sure i've seen what that mes yet. in afghastan we have troops going on and the operion going on and the pistanis said they've lined troops along the rder. i don'know how many troops or what good th has done but i ba. approachs and how it's done. >> i wt to add one thing on

afanistan that's the policy has sprised me. i'm surpris at how the president has embraced the war infghanistan by upping the ante there andenting 1700 additional tops and asking congress for me money and getting it. he'sade afghanistan obama's war and during the mpaign he regarded it as a good war distinct fromraq which is a d war and this is a difficult situation when you throw i pakistan and i don't bieve that this psident had to brace afghanistan as fmly has he could have walked awa or set a ti limitut he has forcefully embraced ts policy and war as hi own with consequens we cannot edict. >> and it's all hisow because

he has a new stragy. for example, he talks abou-- and i n't know if you noticed as well, aboutgoing after al-qaida and that's when the laid t the strategy to go afr al-qaida and they' going after the talan andhey're saying they're helping finae them but notin that area so that'snehing i d't understand but it is all his no it's his strategy and thosere his fresh tros he is seing in there so he is as youaid really embraced th war. >> charlie: what is th mindset of the administration of the prious administration and secondly how is it simar to the previous bush, bh xxxxi. > -- bush 41

>> think that's normal in american polics and governmt after all the obama administrati inherited th problems with wch the bush administration w wstling and the bush admistrationas wrestling with problems ch as ghanistan and north korea and iran because they're important and difficul ere are no easy solutions becae if they were weould ha thought of themnd applied them so there is me continuity in foreign policy thanhe administration likes to advertise and that's the nature of foreign policy. the administration h much greater scope toake a brea with the preous administration on domestic issues than on foreign policy issues and indeed domestic issues areore imrtant to the country at is point. >> charl: what do we know from the whiteouse coverage how this presidentas been chand byhe reality of the worldand

he thought he might find/expect? >> i thinkthat's annteresting question and i don't think -- i'll go back to north korea. i think that's one of those things the obama administrion has reacd out a reached out anothe north korea and iran an slapped back, particularlyy thnorth koreans and that's surprise somhingome in the administrati but suldn't have been because th've done that ain and again and the reachi out to and they haven't gotten the respoe they wand so i think that's probably surprid themut i think they've been thoutful about looking ateach of the coutes and movedlowly you can ask for reactions from a lot of thingthe white house d you won't get right away. you'll get predent who says i want to think abo tha and

answer thatthoughtlly. ing back to george bus 43 having covered th last term you w a change in that president. a change in foreign policy in the last year as he was aving. he tooecame far more thoughtful and far more engaged in the proce and more nuance in what he was doing in the last term when he handed it over to obama especially. >> i want to quote some things inhrow the in the mix i prague the president said th onlyower to abused a nuclear weapon the unid states has moral responsibili toct and we canead the endeavo and start it. in cairo he sd i consider it as part of my responsibility to the united stas fight against negative sreotypes islam andairo he said w can't imse peace but likewise israelis recogze the needor

palestinian stat it'stime f us to act onhat everyonknows to be true. in cairo, a world order that elevates one nation or grp of people ove another wi inevitably fail. prress must beshared. giveni am particularl enamored of language, there it is, it seems to be sking outo there can be in mistaking ideas beuse the president has t opportunity did that and create a new architecture. chael. >> so some extent every president has a bnk late. a new chance. people look him for the first time and me judgments on the other hand as we've been diussing picies and problems do carry over from thepast and limit any president's range of

flexibily. let me comment onhe first quote that you re, charlie and letme sa aword in favor of nuclear. president as a visionof abolishing all nuclear weapons it's an attractive vion but as someone who spent his carr writing about themnd to one of the conclusions which iame is not nuclear weapons but other ople's nuclear weapons. ours aret so bad and as the world constituted now they servan important purposend prevent the spread of nuclear proliferation an the sprd a others who are gain the have refrned because they n count on nuclear protection from u part because we have so many nuclear weapons.

without american nuclear prottion the janese may well conclude they couldn't equal and an eql footing wi china wiout getting them of their own andame is true of germany and russi and of course the danger of nuear weapons coming into the hand of th islamic republic of iran is all the arab countries willeel they need them as well. while the vision of a nuclear-free world is an attractive o it's not a vision that can be or ought to be implemented anytime so and in the short term the nuclear weapons we haveally do serve an important purpose in disablizg the word and a tst the esident understan that >> charlie: that's calling on the uned states to reduce by a third. isn't that implementing a vision? >> it sll leaves us very far

from nucleafree war and we'r not going to getnear t onas long as regimes such as north koa and ir continueo have nucle weapons and if i could make one other commt on those two regimes, you and martha wer discussing what this president has learn i suspect what he has leaed and what he will learn is this apprch that work for him in his life andublic life and rehing out and being inclusive and listening to people and gathering everyby on the same side, though a wonderfultate ofind a a woerful capacity many conte doesn'tlways rk in foreign policy and it especially doesn't wk with regimes that are bnd and determined to oppose our interest such as noh korea and iran. being incluse, reaching out, understandg, listening, probab not going toet it done with those regimes.

and here iuspect that t president will find that he needs to draw on another part his life experience. this is a zero-sum game in some cases. other e iranians are going to getuclear weapo which is against ourinterest or not. i suspe the president wil nd dealing withhem is like basketball one side or anoer is gointo control the pain and the territory. that is a lesson that willome -- that comesovery president but it may well be a difficult sson for this e. charlie: what is specificly this president can do to stoporth korea? >> that's e $64 trillion-dollar-qution. >> charlie: in today's wor it's billions.

>> one is that balanceof powe within the iranian government will shift in such a way that peoe within the government will ce to power or will have fluence that don't want t go overheuclear threshold and believe it will be a bad thing a insist othe right to have the full fuel in richment pcess but no nlear weapon. there's a chance of that. that doe't work therere serioueconomic sanctions inuding inserting the american navy in theersian gulf to prevent shipments of resigd petroleum from reaching iran. iran experts oil but has to import refined gasole an if the united stateshould stop that it could shutown the couny and that sure give the regime somethingohink about.

the third optio and the most extreme isilitary force. bombing the nuclear weapons' progms facilitie by the united states israel. that would be the mostxtreme version of the effort to stop the nuclear weapons program but it may turn out to be t only way to have chance of stopping it >> the military rikes is what would that hit andould they really hit wt they need to hit. obviously you drupt any sort of nuclr weapons pgram but that is whatconcerns the military more than anytng is what can they do beyond disrupti it and if you have just disrupted it and have the reaction in that part of the world asmichael points out, that's a very ve serious step and clearly e they don't want to take. i --hen i think about north korea andran and them both wanting nuclear weapo and

continuing nucle weapons program u have to go back and say why dothey wanthem and in particular northkorea. north korea ha many domestic problems. such poverty, people starvg to death there. they want this as power. they wanthis as aargaining chip and that's what they're doing now. that's the patte they've been in throu many administrions and it's the pattern that the obama administraon has got to try to breaknd i am -- i really am slighy encouraged by what we've seen ithe last couplef weeks pbably will g away tomorro and probably launch a long rang missle in the comin weeks but there' slight in cougement with the ship turning aund andhe rhetoric being lowed fro the united stateside. it could go away tomorrow but it encouraging.

>> charlie: and here's a question i like both of you to answ, what has the global ecomic crisis done to foreign policy. michael? >> in the short term it has focussed attention away from international and on to domestic issues and awayrom security and onto economic iues. in the longer ter ihink the falloufrom the economic crisis with the risi cost of paying the bills for entitlementin the unit states will have a substantl effect on american foreign policy it wl have a reraining-constraining fect. we'll be poorer, feel poorerand less in the wod. >>nd it makes countrieshink about themselvesore than the glal reach out. just at th time when prident

obama wants toeach out to other coutries it says we're in this together and the ctries e think o of their own economic crisis and what the uned states can do and what power the united stes has. wh you talk about them dealing with china, it's changed the focus of important policy and it is a security oblem. i think t econoc crisis and you heard dennis blair, the i director talk about at. >> charlie: he ieed did. >> probay with you. >> chaie: in that case he didn't but he did say tt it was a -- i think h said o of the most important elements of the national security uation today. i forgot about this and i forgot. tin america and afri. it is there a policy about those

two? we look at what's happening in nduras and when theresident went therend psident chavez handing him bos to read. >> thisresident obviously has a specia connection to aica since his fath came from kenya. >> charlieand many say bush 43 that was his one best momt was his attitude out africa. >> but whatever his sentiment ties the president has to deal with what lands on his desk. he may believe tha lan america and africa are more important than they have been eated asbeing in the pt but in politicsnd government as i her aspects of life, the urgent dris out the important as long as the ited states does notace a teat or crisis

emanating from africa atin erica, these two continents will get ls attention than the place where's the crisis a brewing. charlie: martha. >> i couldn't agree more. they really areon the back burner. president obama talked about africa and you'r right about presidenbush and his administration and the wor they did in afra but i think latin america ll be on the back burner unlesshey start shake their fists hardered and houras does present a problem and it doesn get much attention probably from the american public the coutries. president obamaould like africa to get more atntion i n't necesrily thi he wants latin america tget more attention. he has enough probms. >> charlie: thank youboth. marth raddatz, michael ntelbaum. stay wh us.

>> sir alistair horne is he who dedicated hielf to the freedom of france and knighted for his work. and his 97 book and work on thsubjectas sult of the eye war and it came 209 attention of the u.s. miliry and read by e presiden the latest book i an authorized biography of former sretary of state of henry kissinge in 1973. it'salled "kissinger, 19, a crucial year. i'm pased to have sir alistair horne back at thtable. >> thank you so much. >> charlie: it's appropriately dedicated buckley jr. and you saidin the mory of w.b. jr.

the dest and dearest o friendend writing this book. so how did he encourage thi book? >> because he's a close frnd an colleague henry's and it was marvelous. he would ring me up once or twe a week and in a cheerful way, "hi, al" and that sort of thing and i think behind e sces he did a lot of input with henr himself. >> charlie: how do you mean? >> for itance, i look back on it as an extraordinary act of trust that henry askede to do the book and he's not allowed it seit until it's publish and bill helpegive dr. kisnger my credentials and say he's all right. >>harlie: he didn't have to, i'm sure he knewho with you were. >> yes.

>> charlie: and yospend time interviewing him. >> many hours. >> charlie: d the idea was u uld write a definitive biogray. >> i hea heany many archives d i said i can't do this now and my wife sai you're cry, he the most interesting man in the wod. said could you allowe to d on year and he said what year and i sa 1973. to my amament his face t up and he said lets do it. >> charliewhy diyou choose 1973. >> was one personal and o historic. it w the most important year in histy. not only in americanistoryut world hiory and all the things

that happenedrom yo kippur to e -- >> charlie: te us what '73 was crucial. in 1972 psidentixon was re-elected and loo like henry kissinger and richard non we going to bable to rewrite the rld. >> and things went progressively wrongand what happened was waterge and that bedeviled the whole of t year and ending in nixon's resignation an then the verymportant factor was the vietnampiece treaty at henry's negotiation with the vietmase 15, 16 time secretly paris. the very importantfact was the continuation of the new alliance

or opening to china andhen of course russ. charlie: we have vtnam, tergate over shadowing and initiatives th russia and the year of euro and china and the opening of china and how do you make tt new relaonship flourish in terms so kind of mutuality of interestg. whatmpactoes watergate have? >> when i first read kissinger's very copious bioaphies i thought he protted too much the effect that waterga had on his policies d i read it clos and i thought absolutely not.

theyere fundamental to wrecking everything oroming close to wrecking everything. >> charlie: but itame him parallel power. >> t unfornateas he was the onlyerson not tarshed by watergate. >> chaie: in '72 he said the problems weresuch that i was not necessarily prepared for all of them. and didn't hav the requisite experience but in ' i h the requisite experienc and the situation had amatically changed. >> i tnk he always wanted to secretaryf state aidn't thin he'd get it beuse of xon's jealousy to run it hielf and he wasrepared for it but what he was t prered

for was out of the blue came the most importa event of the year, yom ippur, the war. >> charlie: wh role did he play and what shis tactic a strategy. >> the whole world was surprised and i recl a conversatio at 6: ithe morning and his aide came and sd there was war in the middleast and it was extraoinary and his first call s to the russian ambassador and theussians were caught out and everybody was in fact includg the israelis. so kissinger had to act very fast and he showed himself at his best under greatpressure. >> charlie: what did he do? >> well, he ended t telhone d one was to make suhe

israel hadn't attacked rst and that wasnasy but he -- and then trying to get contact with t egyptian when there was no official relatio. and then later o as the war pr progressed israe d done badly. charlie: and theyent to defcom 3. >> s. as i understand there are various levs of defense emergency in the united states. defcon 3as the highestou can go to in ti of peace. >> charlie: maxim to respond. >> and this was the 24th of octobe the meeting in the white

house with the national security committewith henryn chae and nixon was conicuously not ere and so asked who signed the order a i think was schlessinger. >> charlie: in capacitated by what? >> head a verylow threshold. i find it fficult to get this out. i had to talk to all the members who werehere exct for one and henry kissinr's very respectful tthe president and wouldn't say so but the imprsion i got from the others answered the question that nixon was incapacitad. >> chaie: and the end of yom kippur was that showed henry's

talents? >> and itcame back t def con 3. some think he was over reacti and that the russns were threatening to get inlved themselves directly and kissinger thought this i the way of making maximum impact on the russiand cours if the russians hadn't reacted badly we may haveay confrontaon when the russian and the american troops in thmiddle east and it was all over in4 hours and the negotiatinstarted and this is where kissingershowed his forte gointo sadat and never bng wi an arab rulernd then for famous shuttlof di diplomac with

extraordiny emergency and gradually coming togetherwith a semblance of peace which i really in effect sin then to this psent day. charlie: vietnam. you and kissinger - you actually cite that the former secretary of ste believes vietnam was his biggest challenge anfailure >> he's always said to me his biggest regret. it brings backo waterte. i tnk congress, if i dar say so a a brit, behaved badly in pulling out the cpet om undeeath the south vietmanese and tense dislike and disgust

of nixon and in june '73 they passed an embarn any further u.s. action in vietnam meant in the next yearr so the vietnam wouldn have enough fue to ep their nks running. >> i want to talkwith the relationships an the dissented of his sense of himself and historical importance w does he measure it? >> today? >> charlie: yes. >> at's one question i never naged to ask him directly is what is your legacy because as you know he's so incredibly active rushing aund between russia and china and now japan in puuit of wt he was doing in '73 wch is an attempt to reduce t terrible danger of a clear conflagration so in a way his polic and straty from

'73 on has remained constant which is keeping t balls of the china ball and the russian ball in e air at the same time and -- his relatio with putt are quit -- putin isbeneficial. >> charlie: i come back to the queson, what's t lega? >>sn't that the legacy. theimpact the legacy is very impornt given we were in the cold war in '73 and america w not doing veryell. the maning to cementhe russians is much criticized from both right and left onhis but it seems to be th which something that heldndeally the sense of trust which he

establishe i think h continued to this day. >> charlie: what's h reactio to the book? >> i've never wtten about a man subject who is still alivwhich is problematic and he is afriend. >> charlie: so did you pull ur punches? >> i don't think s i don't think so. >> chaie: so what part of tha was he sensiti to and do you thinmight have -- >> well, i think that he thinks i'm over critic in certain respts. >> charlie: what respects? >> the very complicated handling of the abm. >> chaie: that's too complicated. >>o eventalk abo. charlie: whatbout his persality and attitude and his huis around althose things? >> i think he acpts that. >>harlie: with a certain

amusement. >> and with great insecuty. i found one of the most traordinary things is his relationship wh nixon given that henry of course is jewi and nix was very ansemetic d he must have h a appalling time dealing wi deali breshnev and mad comments as h waedaway. >> charlie: you taed about the fact tt yound others argue in this book and elsewhere argue that coming from germany, you know, a w that cameand served as an american army and has been

art ofis psyche and a movating factor in attitu and ian hp me with what you think at this stage. >> witho standing fppant we were both refugees different sense so io understand that sensitivity. i think one thing i lrned from the book is how difficult it was toe the first jewish secretary of state. the arabs disruptedim because heas jewish and they didn't think he was doing enoughfor isel and thene hadnism job and breshne and the most serious problems was inside the states dealing with peoe like scoop jackson. and during the yom kippur war

saying w aren't you send mo tanks to israe and he lost his co and said -- to dennis, who was the isrli ambassador, and he sai if you don't call off your ds i'm going out o the supplyusiness meaning won't have any more weapons to israel. course heouldn't have done that but it wa a signicant threat wh howxhausted he'd beco with the comments. >> charlie: there always this -- he believes this i think, he's given mor credit fo bei a tactici than a strategist. there's alwayshat dichotomy about m. >> andlso the question politics. heould be a surb strategist

but tactician, ihink that's slight under rating him. one thingisin termsf montreal. >> chaie: does the book show him as a strategist or tactician. >> a strategist. he didn't g them all rig but for instance, one thing during the yo kippu warin a short me i'm a military histoan i'm amazed howuickly he realized wt was going on. quicker thanhe ptagon or cia. his belief earlyon from the israelis, though they were doing badly, that would me out on towithin a matter of days which th did. >> charlie: is h responsible for giving predent bush your book? >> that'right. >> charl: he's responsle for putting th in hishands. >> sold alot of copies.

charlie: what'sour opini of psident bush's presidey and foreign policy. >> not verygood. >> charlie: is because iraq destroyed credibility >> i think iraq damaged credibity in eupe and this is an open question i don't think dr kissingergrees with suppose tony blair at the time of war said i'm not going in wh you, i'm going in wh the french. i do wonder if the war would have happened. >> charlie: u're surprised tony blairook that urse, aren't you? >> yes, and i couldn't pport him. i was in far of the war becae i felt as a natura american i shod be in by america. i didn't realize wwere being

liedo about our prime minter about thwmd. >> charlie: anyou think what should bthe consequences for tony blair that he did that? >> ihink history will be his punishment. i'm not suggesting he should be sent to the hague. >> charlie: but a much bigger issue. >> yes. charlie: and finly the judgment of henry kissinger without legacy, his most influence on history where in the end be china? >> that was nixon. the opening for chi was very much nixon. he was the engineer i thin the -- kissinger's rol was with t russiansand pushing the door open and established rust. >> charlie: d the ide of datonte. and the relationship with

dubrenin. that's interesting. >> charlie: e long-time soviet ambassador. >> and they talked together as if they're old school chums li ll buckley and me wherehe conversations th the british ambaador is frigid. >> charlie: why is that? >> because the relations have not very good. it was not one of his great successes and ted heath didn likeeasur america or americans was unhelpful to you during the yom kiur war. >> crlie: sir aliair horne a savage w of peace, this kissinger, 19, the crucial ye.

>> charlie: we closehis evening takingote of the serves from michael jackson, the entertainerho died on june 25th. aublic service fu of music and mourningas held at the staples center and los angeles and predicted to have nearly 700,000 people expected descend to the city. mo than one million fa entered an on-line lottery to attend thesurgery with 1,000 chosen at random to attend a it started with choir an eulogi and barr& gordy said the was the greatest entertainer andany pa tribute to his life,

including stevie wond, and lionel rice and therewas to wall coverage on networks and the presides of the three major news anchors with katie couric and crlie gibson. [♪] ♪

♪ ♪ [♪] [♪] >>harlie: michael jackson dead at age 50. captioning sponsored by rose communicaons captioned by media access group at wg access.wgbh.g