captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations >> charles: good morning, i'm charles osgood, and this is sunday morning. >> now 43 years after the watergate break-in, it turns out there's more to this story. a key nixon aide is revealing

secrets from previously unknown white house files he had squirreled away. and one of the original reporters who broke the case open put the secrets into print. as david martin will report in our cover story. >> four decades after richard nixon resigned in disgrace, a trove of do you means from one of his aides. >> alexander butterfield. >> how did you walk away with them nrt white house. >> easy. i just walked away from them. >> and gave them to bob woodward, the reporter who took down the president. >> i dove into them. >> ahead on sunday morning. watergate, there's more to the story. >> charles: forget the old story the doctor is in, when it comes to a ph.d. in

psychology, the doctor is on. on tv, that is. we'll profile dr. phil. >> the nation's number one tv doctor. and he's been telling it like it is for the better part of 20 years. >> did you drink this morning? >> no. you. >> do you? >> yes. >> did anybody ever say to you, tone it down? and you said? >> i'm not that guy. ism we'll >> we'll make a house call on dr. fill on sunday morning. >> and the questions is answers can charles koch. >> one of the most successful businessmen in the world, charles koch also one of the most villified. >> if you can't stand the heat.

don't go in the kitchen. >> it's unnerving on some level. >> i'm use to it. >> later on sunday morning, in his first interview, charles koch on business and politics and the death threats he now gets every day. >> charles: and then experts waiting against an invasion. taking us to the front lines. >> the coral reefs of the atlantic hide many treasures, and a looming menace. >> the numbers are just escalating out of control. >> an undersea epidemic. >> and a tasty solution. >> ahead on "sunday morning" we're under the sea hunting the dangerous and delicious lionfish. >> charles: a look inside north korea. and salutes the daughters of the bride.

in a twist, talking about pulling strings and more. first, here are the headlines for this sunday morning, the 11th of october, 2015. in turkey, two suspected suicide bombers yesterday killed at least 95 people in ankara. >> 200 others injured. no claim of responsibility. thousands gathered on the washington mall yesterday to mark the 20th anniversary of the 1995 million man march, a demonstration that called for equality of life for black americans. a former investigator with the house gauze bengahzi committee said she was unlawfully fired. also says he was let go because he chose not to target hillary clinton while doing his investigation. >> the secret service agent credited with saving president

ronald reagan's life when hinkry opened fire in 1981 has died. he was 85. in a statement, former first lady, nancy reagan called him one of my true heroes. >> 30 couples took part in the 68th wife carrying championship in maine yesterday. the winning couple from new hampshire, took home the wife's weight in beer. now to today's weather. scattered showers are expected in watered logged south carolina. cool across the rest of the nation. california will bake in triple digit heat. expect more of the same on columbus day. >> ahead, lionfish. the fish with a bite. but first, we went to the

light & fit, 15 delicious flavors, each 80 calories. try to beat that! >> charles: north korea pulled out all the stops to mark the 70th anniversary this weekend issue and the communist leaders invited company. this. >> they may be the most hated

country on earth, but they sure now how to put on a show. this week, saturday night, torch parade, featuring tens of thousands of people running in sync with real live slippery square. we watched, mesmerized, also watching was kim jong-un. north carolina's ruler who had quite the day at the parade he presided over the the biggest display of military might in modern north korean history. one of the things you don't appreciate is with all of this goose stepping, while you're standing here, the ground is shaking. this was sabre rattling on a grand scale, and kim made it clear in a speech that america should take note. kim called the u.s. a tyrant,

and said the dprk was ready to defend itself if provoked. after the parade, this 36-year-old railway worker told us seeing kim jong-un in person for the the first time gave her butterflies and she added she felt safe seeing the massive show of force. >> i'm an american. what do you think about that? >> i didn't know you were an american, she giggled. you're not as evil as what i've read about in books. well, it is rare for americans, and even mesh journalists to be granted access. the price of admission for entering north korea is the government decides exactly what you see. we're taken to tourist sites with absolutely no news value. and to awe sub way station built decades ago. even here amid the out of date

role is in every day life, be it leader's pictures on sub way cars or on pens. >> as americans, we hear that life in north korea is difficult. does it feel that way for you? >> no. we're living a really happy life cho young said. there's no mafia or burglary here. there is a strong government. at least that's what they want us to see. and it's a carefully managed staged product. it's hard to tell when the show begins and when it ends. so after the spectacle of this weekend's massive military parade, there was something almost refreshing about seeing what came next. picking up the trash. now that, at least, seemed real. >> i was aware of listening devices. >> charles: coming up, witness

>> charles: hard as it is to believe, more about the story watergate. and one of the person closest to nixon was alexander butterfield let the secrets out, cover story reported by david martin. >> subcommittee will come to order. >> it was the biggest bombshell of the biggest political scandal in american

history. >> mr. butterfield are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the oval office of the president? >> i was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. >> white house aide, alexander butterfield revealing the existence of a white house taping system to the senate watergate committee. >> when butterfield gave that dramatic testimony in july, 1973. it was a pivot point in watergate. >> reporter bob woodward, and carl bernstein who exposed the machinations of the nixon whitehouse tried and failed to interview butterfield. so he passed the name on to the watergate committee. >> do you think the tapes would be revealed if not for butterfield? >> i don't think they would have.

>> turns out he was siting on more. ni. 1971, and each of these is a month. >> two years ago he turned over to woodward. >> did you ever, in your wildest dreams think that you would one day be collaborating with bob woodward of all people? >> not at all. >> what did you think when you walk into his apartment, and you see those 20 boxes? >> i thought, wow. let's start looking. >> the result is the last of the president's men published by simon schuster, a division of cbs. in addition to the documents, woodward spent 40 hours interviewing butterfield who for three years occupied the office next to the president. >> every day, and the last person you see every night. attending to all the immediate needs. >> when butterfield left, he took his files with him. >> some of those documents are classified top secret. how did you just walk away

with them from the whitehouse. >> it was easy. i just walked away with them. i did the wrong thing. i wasn't supposeed to do that, but i felt, to tell you the truth that those papers were safer with me than with anyone. i've been around classified -- that's no excuse. but i wasn't going to show them to the wrong person, and i was going to take care of them. >> one of them shows nixon's handwritten opinion of the bombing of vietnam. an angry scrawl across a report from henry kissinger. we have had 10 years of total control of the air and laos zilch. and just the day after, nixon told dan rather of cbs news exactly the opposite. >> the results have been very, very effective. >> surely nixon was not the first nor the last president

to privately say things he would never say in public. >> the level of contradiction and the depth of the fraud -- >> according to the research, nixon had order ordered the military to drop nearly 3 million tons of bombs and would order another million dropped after the zilch memo. >> it sends you to -- into your heart and soul about what are we doing? how did this happen? how could we have been led this way? it takes the concept of military leadership by a president and turns it on the head. >> another document, this one in butterfield's handwriting details nixon's reaction to the my lai massacre in which 504 vietnamese civilians were slaughtered by american gis.

>> get backgrounds of all involved, all must be exposed. discredit witnesses. >> discredit, that rings a bell. >> we went to great lengths to discredit people all the time. >> butterfield wrote about the left wing affiliations of a soldier who first blue the whistle on my lai. and hersh received a grant from a fund which is clearly left wing and anti-administration. another vulnerable spot, according to butterfield's notes is the possible involvement of a lib jew. >> so if the guy was a liberal jew, that was material with which to discredit somebody? >> you're asking me thing that is are very difficult to explain about a very complicated man. >> a president who on a

executive office building next to the white house made a discovery that sparked the witch hunt. >> some of the staff people, bureaucrats and civil servants had pictures of john f. kennedy on their desks or on the wall. nixon said we have to get rid of that infestation, as if it was some sort of disease that somebody would have a picture of j.f.k. in their office. what were you supposeed to do about these pictures of other presidents on the wall? >> get them all taken down. >> get them all taken down? >> yes. he made that express order. >> in particular, white house chief of staff, bob haldeman told butterfield, the president would like you to find out who the woman is who has the two kennedy pictures, adding, he asks about it once a week at least.

the cia, secret service, the fbi and even the house committee on unamerican activities all found the woman, a civil servant named edna rosenberg was a completely loyal american. >> what's surprising as you go through all of this is the amount of energy that was devoted to these kind of maneuvers, and how much emotional and intellectual energy -- this was a subversion of what the job of the president is. >> all of it documented in butterfield's files. >> this is to the treasury secretary, and the social secretary to the white house. they really are soertd of a record of what the president is thinking about on any given day >> yeah. >> and some of them, at least 40 years after. seem very strange. >> yes, >> did they seem strange at

>> in that strange environment, no. >> nothing was stranger than the break-in at national democratic headquarters of watergate. that third rate burglary which brought down the president. butterfield was not in on it, but he knew about the taping system that could answer the famous question. what did the president know, and when did he know it. >> the last thing i wanted to do was be the person that gave away the secret, because haldeman and i had told the president we would never tell. >> but then a retired fbi agent, a member of the watergate committee staff wound up in an interview by asking the exactly the right question. >> do you remember the question? >> exactly. >> how did it go? >> was there ever any other listening device in the oval office? what was -- and i said i'm sorry you asked that question.

>> and history changed >> i knew. i really knew what it meant. >> when you look back at it anything differently in the way that you handled that explosive secret of the taping system? >> i've thought of that a lot. i regret nothing. i didn't do everything right, but i satisfied myself they didn't tell a lie. >> there was, of course, the tapes that revealed the president had obstructed justice by ordering the cover-up of the watergate break-in. nixon was forced to resign, and butterfield faded into retirement in california. >> this is the meeting that presidents have just before they go up to the capital to be sworn in as the new president. >> now he's back to teach us all one of the basic lessons of journalism.

>> and there's the president waving good-bye. [ applause ] >> charles: next, how eleanor rez volt changed everything.

>> charles: and now a page

october 11th, 1884, 131 years ago today, the day ann eleanor roosevelt was born. she married her distant cousin, franklin roosevelt in 1905, and eleanor transformed the role of the first lady, and travel the country to see the misery of the depression firsthand and openly expressed her personal views at press conferences and in a daily newspaper column. calling her husband's death in 1945 and she soldiered on, an advocate for the united nations and other causes. it edna rosenberg ward m. ruro to pose this question to her in 1954.

>> why do you work so hard? >> what else would i do ?i live alone, and my children are all busy and have lives of their own. i wouldn't wanted them to be worrying about mother having nothing to do. >> charles: no one ever had reason to worry that eleanor roosevelt would have nothing to do. we worked tirelessly almost to the very day of her death in 1962 at the age of 78. >> announcer: this portion of "sunday morning" is sponsored by pacific loaf, for life insurance, annuities and invests, choose pacific life,

>> the president takes on tough questions tonight on sick minutes. 60 minutes. these are lionfish. there's plenty in the atlantic. spearheads of invasion.

sea. >> to the atlantic coral reef, bustling with marine life. filled with creatures of all colors, shapes and sizes, including the lionfish. but this is far from its native habitat, and in fact, it's a sign of troubled waters. >> a lionfish is a wonderful ornate reef fish native to the indo pacific ocean. and now in these oceans, we have lionfish which don't belong, swimming all over the reef areas. >> from scales to tails. lad akins studys lionfish. how did they get here. >> they're popular in aquariums, and sometimes people set pets free.

pets started multiplying. a single lionfish can produce 2 million eggs a year, and with no natural predator in the atlantic, there's plenty of this fish in the sea. year after year, their numbers keep growing and growing. >> gulping down whatever they find, many of them the younger fish that we eat, mike grouper and snapper. >> we can see reductions in populations. >> the worst case >> you're removing lionfish from the waters. >> i see we're engaging a lot of people right now. >> that's mainly through what

>> a competition for scuba divers to kill as many lionfish as they can. >> the goal is to leave no lionfish behind. for a better look at a derby near fort lauderdale. we've gone underwater with project safe line. it's a non-profit organization that's documenting the conditions of the world's ocean. >> nemo reporting, my life support systems are okay, and my vents are secured. >> co-founder robert carmichael took us to a shipwreck 120 feet down where

>> maybe they can tag that. >> lionfish can't be baited, trapped or trawled. skueb on divers must spear them one by one. diving patience and caution to avoid their venomous spines to prevent painful, though not deadly sting. they place the fish in a plastic tube known as a keeper. >> they don't really attack you. the only threat is if you mishandle the lionfish. >> it's exactly what happened to diver patrick peacock. >> you got stung today? >> i d. i wasn't careful.

>> it feels like a wasp. >> the venom is contained in spine. >> but cut off the spines, as they did at the derby -- >> you can handle it like any other fish. and they go from malicious to really. lionfish anyone? some of that day's catch will be sent here to a caribbean restaurant in new york city. since lionfish must be killed one at a time, it's expensive and this is one of the few restaurants serving it. >> we're not making any mono the fish, that's for sure. >> selling the fish for $26 a plate, less than what it costs. >> it's about helping the eco-system, and doing smtion different. >> this is not about money for you? >> no.

>> i serve white flaky buttery fish. this version is the jerk line fish. you have a little heat and spice. >> and this is the fish with a fork, with the fish on a plate? >> that's right. >> okay. >> that's really good. >> what do you think? >> i love it. it's very similar to snapper. which makes lad akins hope maybe we can eat our way out of this problem. >> i think we have a lot of examples of eating through fish stocks. here's a fish that needs to be controlled. if we can provide a culinary value, i think we can impact the lionfish population just through removal for consumption. that's something. >> it's a win/win for everybody except the lionfish. >> if you bring your wallet and a sense of adventure.

>> bon appetite. >> charles: still to come. >> there are people who think what you're trying to do is essentially buy power. >> but what i want is a system where there isn't as much centralized power. >> charles: an interview with

>> announcer: it's "sunday morning" on cbs and here again is charles osgood. >> charles: charles koch is a billionaire many times over, and much discussed in the world of business and political funding. this morning he's making a rare appearance answering questions to anthony mason. >> when charles koch took over the family business nearly a half century ago, he had a vision for the oil company that his father founded. >> it worked out okay. how much can we grow over a period of time and projected that out through my life, and a few years ago, we were 70 times that amount. >> koch industries, headquartered in a sprawling

wichita, is now the second largest private company in the country, with more than a hundred thousand employees worldwide, the conglomerate refines 600,000 barrels of oil a day and produces everything from stain master carpets to electronic components for smart phones. charles and his brother david own 84% of koch industries. forbes estimates their worth at $43 billion each. but the sixth wealthiest man in the world still gets lunch every day at the company cafeteria, although it's challenging after recent foot surgery. the 79-year-old ceo is at his desk each morning at 7:15 a.m. under the watchful eye of the family patriarch. >> so this is your dad? >> that's my dad. >> fred koch made his first

fortune building refineries for stallin's soviet union and became a fervent anti-communist. >> it's a blessing or a curse. >> in his office, charles keeps a letter he wrote to his first two sons when he took out an insurance policy. >> if you choose to let this money destroy your initiative and independence, tell be a curse to you, and my action in giving it to you will have been a mistake. so that's the way he was. >> koch also inherited his father's distrust of big government. he used his fortune to bank roll a network of conservative groups that helped give birth to the tea party movement. that's made this billionaire and his brother among the most villified men in american politics. >> there's a cartoon you might enjoy.

it's the koch brothers. >> oh, god. the koch brothers use the political process to their benefit. >> among democrats koch is a code word for -- >> they're trying to vilify america, and it's time people spoke out against this dishonesty of two brothers unamerican as anyone i can imagine. >> 53,000 attack ads. >> oil billionaires. >> mentions the koch brothers in the last election cycle. >> if the kochs win, louisiana loses. >> harry truman said, if you can't stand the heat, don't go in the kitchen. >> it has had be unnerving >> i knew i'd get heat, but i didn't know it would be this vicious. >> we're helping the world. >> the kochs are trying to give the family name an image

we make. >> the company has launched a national ad campaign. >> we are koch. >> and in a new book, good profit, koch lays out the market based management company's phenomenal success and writes about the value and politically. one of four koch brothers, chars went to m. i.t., like his father, but not before bouncing around 8 different schools. >> what would you say the source of your rebelliousness was. >> i'm kind of a contrarian, s you probably know from all the different things i do. i do i things differently. what are you doing that for, you're creating trouble for yourself. >> the private billionaire agreed to his first indepth tv interview at his wichita home. >> home.

wife of 42 years. >> why did you stay in wichita? >> my father said come back to run the company or i'll sell it. and none of the others wanted to come here. >> that's not the whole reason. he could have made koch industries anywhere in the world he wanted to, but this is a great place for raising children and running a business with value. >> it was while he and liz were building their house here in 1973 that koch confronted his first major crisis as ceo, the arab oil embargo. >> i thought we might go broke. >> bankrupt? >> bankrupt. >> is that a scary time for the company. >> that and the scare yeflt for me was the takeover with the stockholders. some in my family. and that was scary, and all the lawsuits that followed. that was pretty depressing.

family broke into open civil war, when bill and fred junior challenged their brothers for control of koch industries. the battle would drag on two decades and while charles and david prevailed, the settlement prevents him from talking about it. to sfred his free market philosophy, in the 70s, koch co-founded the libitarian think tank, the cato institute to advocate for a radically smaller government with subsidies. during the administration of president george w. bush, the active. meant well. he grew government more than just about any president counterproductive wars. so that's when i decided we needed to get into politics.

>> the koch brothers helped fund a complex network of political action committees and advocacy groups, many of them tax exempt so donors don't have to be disclosed. the network now rivals the republican national committee and will spend $300 million in the next election year. >> do you think it's good for the political system that so much of what's called dark money is flowing into the process now. >> well, first of all, what i give isn't dark. what i give politically, that's all reported. it's peergt to pacts or to the candidates and what i give to my foundation is all public information. a lot of our donors don't want to take the kind of abuse they do. they don't want these attacks and the death threats. so they are going to

participate, if they have to, associated with it. >> do you think it's healthy for the system that so much mon secoming out of a relatively small group of people? >> if i didn't think it was healthyo fair, i wouldn't do it. what we're after is to fight against special interests. >> some people look at you and say you're a special interest. >> yeah, but my is just as it is in business. it's helping people improve their lives, and to get rid of these special interests, that's the whole thing that drives me. >> people think what you're trying to do is essentially buy buy power. >> but i don't -- what i want is a system where there isn't as much centralized power, but it's dispersed to the people. that's everything that i advocate, points in that direction. >> koch backed groups were among the early donors to the tea party movement.

>> i think there's some good things and bad things. to the extent that the tea party is working to keep us from having a financial disaster, then they're great. if they're doing other things that are -- that are limiting peoples choice and opportunity, then they're not. >> a lot of the groups you supported essentially provided financial fertilizer for the tea party. would you agree with that? >> yes. if we hntd agreed with everything that a group or person stood for, we'd never do anything. >> some of the kochs causes might surprise you. koch industries donated $25 million to the united negro college fund. the kochs have now joined the white house in calling for criminal justice reform to reduce prison sentences for non-violent offenders.

the koch brothers. you give them credit. >> did you ever think you'd work with the obama administration on anything. >> i feel frederick douglas -- he said i'll work with anyone to do good, and no one to do harm. >> you don't consider yourself a republican? >> not at all. >> i consider myself a classical liberal. democrats are taking a is a hundred miles an hour over the financial cliff, and towards a two tiered society, and the republicans are taking us there at 70 miles an hour. >> the lesser of two evils. >> i don't put it that way. yeah, less unprotective. >> five republican presidential candidates, including scott walker, who since dropped out were invited to the koch brothers most recent donor meeting in august. donald trump who is not on the guess list tweeted, i wish

good luck to all the republican candidate who is traveled to california to beg for money, et cetera, from the koch brothers, adding the word, puppets with a question mark. >> are you intending to support a candidate for president? >> well, it depends. >> if donald trump got the nomination would you support him? >> i made a vow i'm not going to talk about individuals. because just like david said he liked walker. now all the press is saying we put money behind walker and he had to drop out. he said he liked him. >> were you surprised walker's candidacy didn't resonate? >> well, i thought it would resonate better, but he wasn't a very good campaigner. he may agree with us on a number of issues, but if you're presenting them in a way that doesn't resonate that doesn't do any good. we can't support you. we're not interested in

>> but charles koch is not about to abandon the fight behind that genial midwestern manner is a billionaire who sticks to his guns. you've effect i felt made yourself a target. >> yeah. i get a lot of death threats. now i'm on al-queda's hit list. so that's really getting in the big time. pretty scary. >> that hasn't stopped you. >> no. i decided long ago, i better die for something, and live for nothing. >> our conversation with charles koch continues tomorrow on cbs this morning. >> charles: and ahead on "sunday morning". chef paul's recipe for

>> charles: it happened this past week, the loss of cajun foods greatest champion. >> and now a pot of jum jumbalayah. >> paul prudhomme died of an undisclosed illness. the youngest of 13 children, prudhomme helped his mother in the kitchen from an early age, after years of apprenticeship in other restaurants he opened his own. k paul's louisiana kitchen in 1979. the restaurants were a brand of spicy down home recipes and

>> we did it. >> and personal appearances. prudhomme devoted his life to making people happy. one mouth watering dish at a time. >> that's what louisiana food does. and cajun food. it creates excitement and emotion. and you know that you had a great time. >> chef paul prudhomme was 75.

>> can a dance define a city? according to some it can. >> you know, there was a time when the cancan was considered so scandalous that the police

dantion hauls where it was performed. but that's when ladies didn't show their ankles much less their underwear. >> but today, of course, the cancan is a familiar symbol of france as the eiffel tower. so how did that happen? i mean, it's gained respectability. six nights a week at the cabaret paradis latin, tourists and families come to see it performed. and once a month the club offers a workship for anybody willing to spend two hours and a hundred dollars to learn it. ism the choreographer is marie. (speaking french) >> actually, the word cancan is french slang for malicious

and nobody is sure why they called it that. but the origins of the dance go to the early 19th century, the beginning of the napoleonic era. and the french were constantly at war in dozens of campaigns. with that in mind, look at the choreography. >> there's rachel, and then -- and this is a line of marching drummers. the cancan provided a slight commentary on the times. and by the late 1890s it was all over paris, like the moulin rouge.

dozens of movies like baz luhrman moulin rouge. cole portersary cancan, starring frank sinatra and maurice chevalier. >> see, i told you, they never liked the waiters. >> and in neeb 52, the moulin rouge. it stars jose ferer, and indelible images of the can cab to the musical track. >> it's an unknown artist who painted the posters, and advertisements for the moulin rouge. a congenital disease stunted his growth, and he hit with dance hauls and bordellos. he was well acquainted with the woman in white, lieu wez weber, and known as the glutton. she was the highest paid entertainer in paris at the time and considered the greatest cancan dancer of all,

could kick the hat off of a man's hed. >> and the poster wasn't really about her dancing. just ask the curator at the art museum. marie chapin. >> it made a reputation overnight. we've seen it on mouse pads and coffee cups. at the time people understood it as a dirty joke advertising the moulin rouge. if you notice her dance partner in the foreground, a shadowy figure. notice where his thumbs are placed. one thumb is pointing directly between the legs, and the other thumb is rather -- positioned erectly near his groin. >> it was scandalous. >> it was seen as outlandish, as a slap in the face tolt moral bourgeois order. >> but if the cancan was a

19th century pole dance for men. for women it represented something more profound. when the moulin rouge opened in 1889, it was only 20 years after susan b. anthony published the revolution. it was just that, a turning point in the history of women's rights, and her message soon traveled from the united states to europe. so when this poster was plastered all over the walls of paris with this image lifting her skirt and kicking her leg in the air, french women saw a defiant independent woman. >> these days the cancan seems like a quaint reminder of the bygone err a. but she's still remembered as the woman who helped spark the revolution with the cancan.

>> charles: just ahead. >> the happiest moment of my life walking down the aisle with both of them. >> the bride times two.

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>> charles: a wedding with two fathers of the bride may not be traditional, but it's a memorable one. here's steve hartman. >> for most of her life, 21-year-old brittanny peck of ohio felt caught in the middle, torn between two men she truly adored. >> her father todd bachman and her step dad, todd cendrosky. >> i felt like maybe i need to just -- basically, yeah. >> what a position to be in. >> i know. it was really tough. i was in kindergarten. >> this all began when brittanny was 6. her parents split up and got wrapped up in a bitter custody battle.

her dad, a short haul truck driver wanted custody and had no interest in sharing his daughter with brittanny's new step father, and the feelings were mutual. >> we did not get along. we tolerated each other. that's the best way to describe it. >> over the years, things improved slightly. they shared custody and realized they were both pretty good fathers. but there was still teng in the air when last month the two families got together for brittanny's wedding. her biological father was supposeed to walk her down the aisle. all of a sudden he bolted to the front. i said i'll be back. that's when i walked down the aisle, grabbed todd and said come o. he said you had just as much of a part raising these kids as i did, and you're going to help me walk our daughter down the aisle. >> he said our daughter. >> that's when i lost it. >> hand in hand they went back to get brittanny, and then arm

in arm, they gave their daughter the wedding she always dreamed of. >> it meant the world to me. it's the happiest moment of my life walking down the aisle with both of them. >> parents and step parents are often at odds, but the wiseest realize that getting along isn't just best for the kids. it's best for them. >> if that individual accepts your children and treats them as his own, how can you not have respect for somebody >> he invited me to be part of that day, and that's something that can never be taken away. it will always be there. >> a little wedding day advice from the fathers of the bride. >> charles: to consult with

>> you need help. you need treatment. i will make it a gift from me to you. >> charles: that's the one and only dr. phil. he's a doctor on.

year, thanks to his gift of common sense talk. morning" profile. >> for phil mcgraw and his wife every show begins the same way, with a walk across ritual. >> what was that touching the face. >> the thing sticking out that walk by. keep her from tearing her arm. and the show went great. >> 14 seasons in, the dr. phil show is still going great. >> here we go. >> this is a safe place to talk about hard things. >> it's a great show. >> fueled by enthusiastic audiences and endless parade of troubled guests. and a host who knows how to put on a show. >> you are a heroin addict,

and you did heroin today, >> really? heroin. >> somebody asked me one time, he said dr. phil, isn't what you do a lot of just entertainment? insuting. my answer was, my god, i hope so. if it isn't, they won't watch. >> 130 in the morning. that is not good mothering. you need help. >> how much is doctor and how much is showman? >> it's one in the same. you don't have to be boring to be a doctor. >> there's so much doctor in dr. phil. i drive my staff crazy. >> and though phil mcgraw sent a medical doctor, he does have

patients and was a licensed psychologist for many years. >> you entered into a suicide pact? >> yes. >> tell me about the suicide pact, the agreement. >> she was going to kill herself, and i would kill myself also. >> what kind of therapist were you? >> i was very direct, just as i am now. i would tell people, look, i can talk to you every week for six months and tell you what i think at the end or i can just tell you right now. there's some guy in there, some arrogant (bleep) -- it doesn't take six months to tell you that, i'll tell you today. why in the hell did you, would you ever agree for your wife to become an escort? >> and this was the scene of the dr. phil show. it's the same as now. >> come ocommon sense is not

>> phil mcgraw first came to national attention in 1998 when as a courtroom psychologist he helped oprah winfrey win a lawsuit by texas cattlemen. >> and when you took your power back, and said i am who i am, and no plaintiffs lawyer is going to tell me i'm not, it was a snap. [ applause ] >> when you first went on oprah, did people immediately take to you, the tell it like it is phil way? >> some took to it, and thought wow, this guy is absolutely the second coming of common sense. and some thought, this guy is an absolute barbarian. i agreed with both of them. >> who are you? >> i'm not for everybody. that's why you have a remote control. >> dr. phil is loading up up the truck and moving to beverly. >> after five years on open remarks dr. phil got a show of his own.

this is number one, okay. [ >> millions of fans, and a few critics. >> who's in the middle there. you took her to meet a registered sex offender. >> i made a mistake. >> people make mistakes. it's the kox+ fsh up and not the mistake that creates the biggest problem. >> it's part of the show's popularity, for lack of a better term, a freak show. >> it's not. it's not even almost a freak show by any stretch of the imagination. that is an absolute insult to the people that come on that show. >> so you think the idea that people get off on seeing other people with problems is not really why people watch the show? >> i absolutely know that's not why people watch the show. >> what do you think they

watch for? >> we are delivering common sense information to people's living rooms every day for free. >> his own life story has penned books. the only son of an alcoholic father who made life unpredictable at best. >> i'm walking home with friends which was a rare thing for me. we're walking up the street, and i get up there, and it's my dad. he's in his underwear laying on the driveway with his pillow. what do you do? you're embarrassed, of course. >> were you angry? >> you know, i was not. i can remember sitting back and looking at some of this stuff and thinking, these people are crazy. i had to have been mixed up at the hospital. >> could your family have been guests on the dr. phil show? >> they could have been a season. they'd say the same thing

about me. >> what color on your shoes? >> they're pink. >> the family phil and robin created. jay and jordan and daughter-in-law erica, and grandchildren, london and avery are frequent guests on the dr. phil show as proof positive that life is what you make it. >> that's there. >> but phil's tough love approach doesn't apply to the grandkids. >> do you spoil your grandkids? >> i spoil them rotten. >> isn't that something dr. fill tells us against? >> no. if they want popsicles for breakfast, go >> seems like grandpa phil is a softer guy than the one robin met as a teenager. >> i was just a little bit surprised that he was so quiet and so stern. >> was that a challenge to you?

i thought, wow, you're not very nice. [ applause ] >> he set the ground rules early on. >> i will never be your patient. and don't ever try to be my doctor. if i need a shrink, i'll go. i don't need you analyzing me and my behaviors. gotcha. >> and he's never done it sense? ince. >> and another thing. >> do you play scrabble with me? >> why? >> because you beat me? >> that's right. i do. >> he can't stand it. >> how often due play tennis. >> dr. phil's game is tennis. he had a court built in his yard before the house was finished. >> many times a week. >> and he likes it more than the other game doctors play. >> you ready to hit some balls. >> for me, golf is the hardest thing i've ever done, because

hustling or working harder. you can't just bear down. get a bigger hammer. it takes finesse. i'm not necessarily a finesse guy. >> and there you have it from a guy who knows his strengths and weaknesses, and always plays to win. >> charles: next, first

>> time for a short take from a man who made a career out of pulling strings. a career so, remarkable the foundation had a seniors award worth $625,000. puppeteer, bassil twiflt.

a word with negative connotations. i've been on the stage, and animating something. >> to animate something means you're breathing something into it. >> my name is basil twist, and i am a puppeteer. >> this is stickman. he's got 16 strings can't make him do anything. he does thing that is he feels like doing. >> sometimes frightens people, or just delights him, and they don't know why. it looks alive, but i know it's not. it touches this part of our souls that we actually don't regularly touch. what is it? i'm alive. what is that?

you have to listen to it. it's like water, but heavy water. i did a piece called symphony fantastic under watered in a 500 gallon aquarium. completely abstract. i was able to put materials like a piece of fabric in suspension, and allow it to come to life. >> and the greatest puppet man of them all. >> my grandfather was named grif williams. he was a big band leader in the 30s and 40s, but he also used puppets as part of his performances. >> my mother belonged to a puppetry club when i was a kid growing up in san francisco. because of my grandfather and

third generation puppeteer. i'm totally in the sesame street generation, and i was a huge fan of the muppets. in 2002 i worked on one of the harry potter movies, so i helped create the dementons, and filmed them under water. ultimately they did it with a computer, but it was like a stylistic model. the macarthur grant means that i'm doing something right, and that i have the resources to keep doing it.

>> charles: here's a look at the week ahead on the "sunday morning" calendar. >> monday is columbus day, marking the 523rd anniversary of christopher columbus's arrival on one of the bahamas. tuesday's the night for the first democratic presidential debate hosted by cnn in las vegas. wednesday is national fossil day, dedicateed to promoting understanding and appreciation of fossils. thursday sees the annual geekie awards show in los angeles. recognizing the best in so-called geek culture,

novels and videos. friday is national dictionary day, celebrating the 257th birthday of noah webster. and on saturday, justin timberlake, and sam and dave are among the year's inductees at the memphis music hall of fame. >> and now to john dickerson in washington for a look at what's ahead on face the nation. >> face to face with donald trump, talk to dr. ben carson and talk about the turmoil for the race for speaker in the house of representatives. >> charles: we'll be watching. morning". >> i used to be the happy hooker of literature in america. >> charles: talks to the author.

sunday morning in the underground at the caverns in alabama. >> charles: i'm charles osgood. join us next sunday morning. until then, i'll see you on the radio. captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for

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