we're back with more of "today" on a wednesday morning, the 22nd of september, 2010. nice crowd still gathered outside our plaza, just enjoying the last day of summer. not even cold out. >> comes at 11:09 tonight. >> we're in the 80s here in new york. hopefully it's nice where you're king up as well. inside the studio, just behind that glass window, i'm matt lauer, along with al roker and msnbc's tamron hall. coming up in this half hour, the latest on mel gibson's custody battle. e-mails between the es actor and his estranged girlfriend act ok where she appears to forgive him. now her attorneys say she wasn't

the one who leaked the recordings. now we're going to hear from his attorneys in an exclusive interview. also ahead, help with your money emergencieses this morning our panel has advice on the lowdown on credit counselors and whether they actually hurt your credit. that's on "today's" money 911. many medical tests are routine at certain ages, like mammograms and colonoscopies. there are things you can do to give you more accurate information when the results are in. ann is on assignment "today," so you're also handling the news chores as well. a new book by bob wood ward is outlining -- an early copy of obama's wars, top advisors argue over the war and doubt if the president's strategy will work.

the white house is downplaying this saying policy divisions were well known at the time. on this first day of fall, summers leaving the white house. the white house says economic advisor lawrence summers is stepping down at the end of the year to return to harvard, the administration has come under fire for the slow pace of the economic recovery. and eight current and former city officials in bell, california, are facing charges of bilking taxpayers out of millions of dollars, a prosecutor called the case corruption on steroids. today the u.n. is announcing a global health care campaign aimed at saving the lives of 16 million mothers and children worldwide over the next fife years. worldwide every year, an estimated 8 million children die before their fifth birthday. today congress is holding a hearing on the recent salmonella outbreak linked to two farms in iowa. the heads of those two farms are

expected to apologize for the outbreak. this morning, paris hilton is thrown out of japan. she was denied entry two days after she pleaded guilty to a drug charge in las vegas. japan has strict immigration laws that bar those convicted of drug offenses. before leaving, paris tweeted that she's disappointed to be missing her fans. and an uninvited guest -- one of his antlers got stuck. police decided to keep their distance. that's smart and let the moose decide for itself when it was time to leave. now you are up to date. it is 3 past the hour. >> they're huge. >> they are massive, yes. >> you can see the little squirrel next to him. >> rocky, was that his name? yes. >> oh, don't know my own strength. >> tamron, thank you very much. >> this time for sure.

>> where's boris? do the weather as rocky. >> there was a woman doing the voice. let's get joe michaels to do it. let's show you what's going on as far as your weather's concerned. for today, we have got showers and thunderstorms, also a lot of heat in the southeast where we're going to see more record breaking temperatures. partly sunny to mostly sunny skies up and down the west coast, beautiful weather along a >> good morning, everyone. you will see a few clouds this morning but it will stay dry. later this afternoon there is a chance for a thunderstorm in this

>> and that's your latest weather. now to the bitter custody fight between mel gibson and his estranged girlfriend. new e-mails surfaced this week in which the actor apologized for his behavior in those ranting phone conversations with ox san'a. we'll hear from her attorneys in an exclusive interview in just a moment. but first, more from nbc's kristen welker. >> the battle between mel gibson and oksana exploded this summer with the relief of those now infamous audiotapes. >> i will make your [ bleep ] miserable, already? >> gibson seems to be berating o oksana. >> what kind of a woman is that, hitting a woman when she's holding a child in her hands?

breaking her twooet twice in the face. what kind of a man is that? >> reporter: her lawyers are telling her side of the story exclusively releasing these images of oksana today. holding and caring for six children. they have also released a photo showing the happy couple on vacation in 2008. the >> you have evidence on both sides, each side pointing to the other, each side accusing the other of making criminal acts against one another. >> reporter: gibson's camp has accused oksana of extortion. just last week, he had this run in with paparazzi? >> you're the guy from the other place? >> uh-huh. >> what's the matter, you got nothing better to do. >> i'm just wondering if you really hit oksana?

do you ever think you'll make another movie in this jodie fos in the october issue of more magazine, when you love a friend, you don't abandon them when they are struggling. i hope i can help him get through this dark moment. >> reporter: so far there's been no charges filed. >> the da's office will file charges against onor the other of them, dismiss the case or seek further investigation to prove their case. >> reporter: an ongoing fight with a young child caught in the middle. . >> earlier meredith spoke exclusive with martin and daniel who are representing oksana. >> she was beaten, she was terrorized and yet all the media seems to focus on whether she extorted mel gibson, when in

fact, it's just the opposite. this has never been about money, there's no chance in my view of anything even close to extortion, what they claim is extortion, truthfully are letters that profess her love and caring for him and this is what happens to domestic violence victims. they're vilified and we're trying to set the record straight. you have the videos and the pictures that show who she really is. >> did she ever ask for money in exchange for releasing photographor videos? >> she's a victim who's been pigeon holded into a false light so that the truth of her allegations and her situation are ignored. >> if she is a violence victim, as you say, why haven't you filed a case against mel gibson at this point? what's taking so long? >> i think at this point, the district attorney's office is

really in the driver's seat in terms of these charges. they're very serious charges and to just file a lawsuit and fight about money is not the right thing right now. he has to be brought to justice for what he did. and mr. cooley, the district attorney of los angeles is in charge of that and we defer to him at this point. >> mel gibson's camp claimed in the beginning that oksana secretly made those tapes to extort him. she admits that she made the phone calls and she secretly recorded them. she admits she took the photos of her teeth, the broken veneers. why would she do that? >> the word admit is the wrong word. anybody who's beaten or threatened has the right to document it and show the world that this is what happened. otherwise it's going to be mel gibson, one of the most popular love entsuperstars in the world

against a loan woman. anyone who says that she demanded money in exchange for holding these back is a liar and i dare them to come on this show or any show and take responsibility for that statement because if they do, they'll pay a price for that. it's a lie. >> is she responsible for either selling these conversations to radar online or handing them over, leaking them to radar online? >> absolutely not. in fact those are word probably a million dollars to whoever leaked them and she is broke. so it just did not happen, she would not do it and in fact the evidence will show and we will eventually be able to bring forth proof that she tried to hold back any publicity that would hurt mel gibson because a battered woman will both protect the accuser, even as she's being abused. >> but who else would have access to that kind of material,

the private phone conversations? >> well, many, many people had access, we have very strong suspicions as to where they were leaked from. along with the letters and the e-mails, none of which came from our side whatsoever. but we do think we know who leaked them, what we can do about it, i don't know. >> let me bring you in here, what do you want the public to know about oksana at this point. >> i think you should know something about her, she started playing the piano when she was 3 years old. she's the concert pianist, she studied at the royal academy of music in london. she's given a number of concerts in the past few years trying to raise money for the injured children in college nia. this is a woman who has a life of her own, which is not part of hollywood, not a part of the life in which mel gibson has

lived. this is not someone who's being accurately portrayed in the media. she's a woman of stature and accomplishment. >> coming up next, from saving on medical bills to seeking advice from a credit counselor, our experts are back for "today's" 911. and we found out the winning bridesmaid dress, and we'll be showing the couple how to add that personal touch to their big day. but first these messages. he seems different. ♪ are you ready? he's not talking about work. ♪ i don't want to work he's not tucking in his shirt. ♪ everybody, now! he's not checking messages every 9 seconds. and now this? ♪ i don't want to play ♪ i just want to bang on the drum all day ♪ [ ship horn blows ]

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charleston, south carolina. my husband is $10,000 in credit card debt and 13,000 in student loans. we are ready for a baby, but don't want to overload yourselves financially. the cost for self-pay renatal care and delivery in our area ranges from 8,000 to 14,000. how should we go about paying for the medical care? >> my parents said if they had to wait until they could afford it, they never would have had me and my brother. i want you to go to the hospital and i want you to go in there and negotiate with them in advance of getting pregnant. the insurance will pay not that $14,000 price tag but somewhere between 6,000 and $8,000 and that's where you want to be able to pay as well.

go in there, ask for a payment plan and start paying up front. and the problem she's having is they actually have insurance. but let the hospital know you are a self-pay candidate and these days they are very willing to work with you. >> sometimes pregnancies don't always go right, so i'm really concerned that she's not pregnant yet, so this is the time she can go and google her state insurance broker and silt with them and see what it would cost to get insurance coverage just in case something goes wrong. >> good advice. >> let's go to skype, we have got kirsten from larry my, wyoming. are you in laramie or are you in houston, texas snx. >> we're in laramie. >> what is your question? >> both of us started this relationship with mysterious debt, credit cards, student loans, car payments and it seems like no matter what we can do we just can't get ahead. i think it's time we go see a

nonprofit credit counselor. >> but my concern is we both have good credit scores and i have heard that that can affect your credit scores. >> i love that they're tag teaming. >> and i love that they're working on this issue together. first of all going to a nonprofit credit counseling group will not affect your score, it's all depending on your score. you can go to nfcc.org. and you can go to aicctoday.org. these will refer you to a consumer nonprofit counseling group. they're going to meet with you for one hour. in that hour, they're going to go through with you a couple of things, first of all, why are you here? how did you get in so much debt, how much money is coming in and how much money is going out. that first hour is a counseling

session and they don't charge for it. they may look at your situation and say you know what? there's actually areas in your budget that you can cut back on and you can pay this set off without having to do anything that would potentially affect your credit score. what can affect your credit score is debt management plans, they may say you're a great candidate for a debt management plan. if you sign up for a debt management plan, it doesn't guarantee that it's going to affect your credit score, i think it's a great idea for you to go to one. >> many people go into these dmps and it actually makes them pay their bills on time where they weren't paying their bills on time so they come out on the other end with a better credit score. >> and less debt. >> we're going to go to the phones, savannah, from houston, texas. savann savannah, what's your question? >> caller: i have two questions really, i'm a recent college

grad and i'll soon be facing payment of my student loans. what is the best option on paying my student loans back. i was told you can defer them, is that true? >> savannah, do you have a job now? do you have income? >> yes, ma'am, i do. >> so even though it's not your dream job, here's the thing, you can negotiate down what you're going to pay every month. you can follow up with an income deferment, not deferment, but income based repayment. here's the reason i don't want you to do that just yet because you have income. because if you go with another plan, it changes your loan and you won't be able to file for deferment or forbearance later on when you don't have a job. so what i would love for you to do is talk to your student loan administrator, see if this is a federal loan, see if you can negotiate down every month. but don't apply for a deferment or a forbearance,hat you can do because then you don't have the chance to basically change your loans down the line

when you don't have income. >> get some more information, okay? >> okay. >> great, all right, thanks a lot. >> now let's go to vickie from he hensdale, illinois on skype. >> jean chatzky responded to a question last month about applying for a college loan. i have eight children, the four older ones are through with their undergrad and on to graduate school. the loans were available to them without co-signers, but that's not the case anymore other than for government subsidized and unsubsidized loans. i have two kids in college this ye year. can you tell us any lenders that do not require a co-signer? >> generally it's the federal loans that don't require a co-signer. after your students start paying them back, after about 12 months

of repayment, you can get off. >> that will probably make you love the kids even more. >> jean chatzky, david bach, thank you. the four things you should know before you go in for a routine medical test. but first, these messages. [ female announcer ] you use the healing power of touch every day. ♪ now the healing power of touch just got more powerful. introducing precise from the makers of tylenol. precise pain relieving heat patch

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we're going to tell you what those are. >> like fasting before you have a blood test. >> which i didn't know until you told me. and we're going to step into the kitchen and get a lesson on giving your classic pork chops and applesauce a mexican flare. i looked over this recipe and it looks spectacular. in just over a week, our wedding couple will tie the knot in front of millions of viewers. if you're planning on a big wedding, we have brought in wedding experts who have some simple gift ideas to have a very personal touch for the big day. very nice, but first al, you've got another check of the forecast. >> let's take a look at what's happening for "today." we have got a risk of strong storms in the upper midwest, also partly sunny to mostly sunny skies up and down the west coast. beautiful along the gulf coast, but it's going to be hot

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minutes with them and there's just not time to go over all these little details. >> and you talked to doctors and they were very forthcoming with these tips? >> they're tips to help you get more accurate and more comfortable test results. >> blood pressure, you cannot have symptoms but still have a problem. >> one thing that everybody needs to do is make sure you're relaxed, you want to chill out for three to five minutes before hand. if you're stressed out, it can raise your blood pressure as much as 20 minutes. and as we all know, we're rushing to the doctor during our lunch breaks, so make sure you can sit, take some deep breaths and look through a magazine and calm down. and also a good idea not to go for coffee right before hand because caffeine can temporarily elevate your blood pressure. >> the next test, mammograms, i'm going to have my first mammogram and no one mentioned this tip to me. >> and the first one is you want to make sure you book your

appointment at a facility that specializes in mammography. and another thing to keep many mind, go all natural, kip your deodor raned dodorant and your day, and if you're premenopausal, it's a good idea to book your mammogram the week after your period. >> let's talk about skin cancer, one in five americans will develop skin cancer and there's something you can do to get accurate results. >> this is a surprising test, a lot of people don't think to do this. you want to remove your nail polish before you go to the dermatologist. there's one kind of melanomas and it commonly occurs under your finger and toenails. so if you're sporting opaque polish, your doctor is not going

to spot something that can sig fight a problem. >> and cholesterol, you say there are things we should do stays before, not just when you're in the office. >> a lot of us know about fasting the night before a cholesterol test, or your doctor should tell us to fast. but the foods that you're eating, to the three or four days before hand can also affect your reading. avoid high fat, high starchy meals which can raise your t triglycerid triglycerides. >> and coffee can affect. >> lots of things can affect. also exercising, you want to try when you exercise, that can be a factor too. >> all right, so a few things there. and also finally colonoscopy, we know the benefits, but what should we do to make sure we get our test results accurate? >> book your colonoscopy first thing in the morning. you can get more accurate cancer detection in the morning and one reason why is that doctors are less fatigued first thing in the

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"today's" wedding modern love is brought to you by chevy. every model is backed by a 100,000 mile, 5-year limited power train warranty. >> personalizing your wedding, but with so many folks involved in your wedding, sometimes the bride and groom's personalities get lost in the mix. some ideas on how you and our wedding couple jeremy and melissa can add a personal touch to the celebration. good to see everybody. >> good morning. >> guys a week to go, how are you holding up? >> we're so excited. we can't wait to see how everything turns out. >> jeremy is just like vibrating. >> okay, you're going to show us "today" thr today three items that can

really help personalize the wedding. >> it's important to think about the comfort of t guests because this is your first joint statement as spouses. so you want to make them as comfortable as possible. >> it's fun to provide the ladies with one of these wraps. you can put embroidly on the bottom. so it's about $12 apiece. >> that's all? >> what about the menu? >> i love the idea of personalizing the menus by putting your name on the top. it makes you feel welcome. >> this replaces the postcard and this does allow you to balance the images a the table. we have smoked salmon and then

moved on to some truffled scrambled eggs. moving on to sliced mango and wedding cape. >> this would be a good keep shake, maybe make a shadow box out of it or something like that. and this is a great ritual. >> instead of having a sign in book, each person getting to give a wish to the bride and groom. if you hit a bump along the way, you can always go back and read the wishes of your family, friends and loved one. >> i love ritual, because ritual pulls us together and gets us all on the same page at the same time. >> as they get ready, what advice would you give them? >> we have made all the arrangements for them, they need to sit back and enjoy the ride. and make sure everyone has a wonderful time. >> and don't forget to eat. >> now to vote on your favorite

gift for melissa and jeremy's wedding, go to todayshow.com, you can also go to facebo facebook.com/todayshow. or you can text your vote to 622639, text five for the embroidered shawl. six for personalized menus for the reception, and 7 for the wish box. next we have a new take on pork chops and applesauce.

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apples together? >> i think it's a natural combination. i think that one of the things pigs like to eat is apples. so i think -- >> so their demise is they like the apples. >> so apples naturally complement the pork flavor. >> so this starts with a marinade? >> yes, it does, this is a simple rub. i have some c oourksumin and gr coreander and i would marinade that for 15 minutes in the refrigerator, you can do it an hour, two hours, if you wanted to do it more ahead of time. and you can take a little bit of the paste and i'm going to rub it right on the pork. >> get it on e both sides? >> get it on both sides and then get that started on the grill. i'm going to flip it. now i just started at a -- >> that's a pretty thick pork

chop, so how long would you grill that on each side? >> i would say eight to ten minutes on each side, for medium and medium well. >> people think you have to cook it so dry. >> it's a lot more juicy that way. >> i have some blanched tomatillos here, you would take off the muhusk, wash them and tn blanch them in boiling water. so i have in the food processor some cilantro and i'm going to add the blanched tomatillos to that. i have a little bit of cumin. you can use any sort of chili pepper that you like or none at all if you don't like spice. >> are those chili's particularly spicy? >> they're spicy and they're

smoked jalapenos so they have a smoky flavor. >> what are you adding there? >> there is fresh lime juice. i'm going to add a little bit of honey. this will add a little bit of complexity in the sweet against the spicy. >> and you have your chopped apples? >> these are granny smith apples. this is a little apple juice. >> does it matter which apples? >> use whatever apples you like, the granny smith are kind of tart. i'm going to blend this a little bit to get it combined. >> i'm just going to add that. simple. and look how simple this sauce is to make? >> it's beautiful. >> and it's pretty too. >> so you're done with that and what is the final step here? >> the final step is to eat. everybody's favorite part. so i have the pork chops. i'm going to just put that on a plate with some of the sauce.

>> you just kind of pour the sauce over it and let it soak into the meat? >> absolutely. >> i'll try this and i know you have a few other dishes to complement. >> oh, love that. >> and cornbread, some chili cornbread goes with that. >> the pork chop. >> i have to put some muscle in this. this is delicious looking, awesome. >> very nice. >> it is very nice. would you like to try one? >> oh, my gosh, that's absolutely delicious. >> the salsa is amazing. ivey, this is absolutely amazing. i can't stop eating. thank you, ivey. >> coming up, with hoda and kathy lee, getting your picky kids to eat healthy foods by sneaking it into their meals. >> like a big old pork chop. but first, we have got your

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