by the i'm action or time, so you're welcome back to going underground broke of single around the world from the you a hold on the hills of tucker calls and allowing a man americans to finally hear assigned to the story view as war and russia through ukraine meanwhile, no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons in support given by the by did ministration with tens of thousands killed most of them, women and children. and now native nation outlawing of money. going to the main u. n. 8 organization that educates houses and kaz for refugees across this region.

the international community is waiting for a new u. s. president. could that be professor cornell west or could you help determine who ultimately gets elected in november? the lifelong peace activist scholar and freedom fighter is running as an independent in the 2020 for us presidential election. you joins me now from you. thank you so much, professor west for coming back on going undergrad. it's been a long time ago daily and now you're running for president before i get to the present president's backing of genocide and gaza for american view. as of this, what states will you be on the ballot for on the 5th of november this year. oh shooting for all 50. i should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer, and by november 1 we're shooting for 50 by but very much so we can really begin in an intense way until just a week or 2 ago because it in,

in the states the do operate is so deeply colonized dominated by big money, make it difficult for independent candidate. so you begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until february 1 in most states. and so that, that's why we, we've already got a last, we've got oregon, that the brass we have a number already, but we're on the move for good 15 by the eyes of march, and then 30 by june, and then 50 by november. well, let's just go to the genocide then before more on your campaign, you know, fan of don't know, but you could stop by means the backing of genocide, stop the u. s. u k, back bombing of syria. rog, him and if you a president, clearly of course trump says he would stop, it is a matter of ours. um, would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um your reaction to president biden . after all, you are a soldier of is in a way, last time round. i've always been

a very, very strong forwarding to me and critical but, and that try to be part of an anti fascist coalition. thinking that by i'm going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality and mass incarceration cut back on militarism, but i was wrong. and that's why i'm really convinced that there is no major true that by themselves as not just in the neighborhood of genocide, ethnic cleansing is a quarter of a part time like regina. but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. as mirage is thinking that he's actually going to be pro, labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shut down the railway workers in this straight. and the labor movement too often steal up for him. same as doing the black community brings in some black faces in i places and yet still reinforces

policies that do in black for one working people. and so i, i do but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem, but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the united states. i mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground. because uh for you, the beginning me was donald trump. now we're talking about a president. i mean, it's pretty rare that even though even international bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president. this is worse than anything trump could do. the mass, most of you know, many women. and i mean, i think we need to have american lawyers, the south african lawyers, and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attacks old pressures, palestinian brothers and sisters up the shift. i think that took place for me was

that i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty and even when he got powered child poverty in half the a very important executive order and congressional legislation. but it expired in child poverty rate double again. you see, i come out of the legacy was i'm gonna have to listen to the come depaula when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably a little ball as homeless. this our sport trade union moved with $27.00 minimum weight. i want to make sure it was fees and i guess, well then i'm very much for workers control. i want, i want to see work in the voice of shaping the destiny of the nation. therefore, i'm calling for the nationalization of some of the major major monopolies in the beginning with a few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. but i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that they're not contributing to the session with profits in calling in the course in the future. the plan so that it's

a better not just a progressive, but it's, it's a uh, a deeply, deeply revolutionary vision and platform and policy. and i think that's what we need because we're living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. ecological pos, possible nuclear deeply economic and political united states, but also spiritual and more now we've got escalating levels of hatred and spinning out of control. we've got to organize 3 that's on steroids. what are some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about in it? and in addition to the structural and institutional what, what to, i'm sure you expected. what are the kinds of uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment that once binding to when another time as president, despite, as i said, this international court ruling that well could mean needs

a co conspirator in genocide. this is what it means is fascinated not by the 1st 3 weeks when i announced in june i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions. i said to myself, i wish i had the kind of power what would be worth for work people in, in that enabling power in the mighty way, not just here, but around the world. i'm committed to those rest and all the rest of that be as an appetite middle east, that agent in latin america. but all admit was that i was calling in the questionnaire version of t. now you remember margaret? that's tina. there is no alternative. you must fit and accommodate yourself, become well adjusted to injustice, and those and no, no, not at all. there is an alternative in this, in my campaigns. nothing but a moment in a moment. this band for to keep in mind you see change of talking about will not

come about when president won't come about with disability. we're talking about social move most as on the way to fundamental transformation, the economy, nation state. and of course, i want to hear the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. we don't need 800000000, it's around the world. we don't need special operations. and a 130 countries, the american empire is in the k. we meet the dismantled in poverty, 9 states, these to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. i'm an anti imperialist candidate. well, if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president, the united states. isn't that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato? when he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from well,

is not going to quite we no worries. there is on israel. you'd be just list low for the right wing didn't bite and is in terms of moving the capital of jerusalem. defer. and julia is really a lead district referring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. no trouble way. i've just on that actually provides actually you can see and trumpet doing the same thing is by them is as regards the ongoing one of the last month. oh, actually now does he didn't start any was remember trying to be assassinated people . he killed people and he typed in your part the region. he incurs nathan, yahoo, he is the one is talking about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt. and that's in a moment worried about the vicious power spins under apartheid region. so that in that sense you doesn't have an enzyme feel as bone in the body easy. the nice

elation of this was very different. so he would, i, i do view nato as an extension of american. a. german is a sensitive american imperial foreign policy. and therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view. here's critique of nature. we will spend too much money, easier for you and don't deserve it. they need to secure it themselves, and we will pull back a given window here by them and at the end of the world, not through the college actually. but given that is ran a cabinet minister as an adult about using is rarely nuclear weapons. and of course, we've never seen such tensions. and as their newgate engines that drain rusher and nato isn't the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents. as regards a war in the military, industrial complex of what it says on what kind of coalition is talking about. so here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency of cautions in terms of the truth. and the condition is truth

to allow, so to speak. so for example, on the one hand, i mean you got, you got it wrong. now iran has their critique of bud. it's, it's, it's at times it's of very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. i'm not a supporter of monarch of deluxe. i supported women live street a low. i support those who are resisting against the form of domination with them. same is true with rush, rush itself was for both by the expansion of nato. it led toward what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critiques of the russian system and putting himself in terms of structure, the domination in the silent thing of this isn't a voices and so forth. so they are the moral consistency alone. we're a political solidarity, so the coalition that i'm top not just the function of re out politic, but it's also a commitment to true commitment to just as we're ever whatever context we talk about. let me put this in here, isn't there off of aspiration. i mean,

tucker calls and on fox news used to say all sorts of strange things about immigrants. he doesn't have an enzyme fairly boating. well the, the but it hasn't the change on, on people changing and becoming more. you just see it as isolationism, right? wing eyes laser right when popular is the right wing father, he's got a critique of the beach and that's what i have my critique of the late his critique to release doesn't say mumbling word about mass incarceration at home. doesn't say among them word about anti poverty program, doesn't say that mumbling word about white supremacy. and he was so pro white supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. but as an end, as a problem, this will be guess various forms to be leaks. it makes him look and appear as if he critique solidify what is actually an imperial critique of imply, okay, who is like your running her president. it isn't now the time,

and would you have to try and you like and get this affordable? those people we will remember what was, what, what, what was it malcolm, michael says supported the right wing senators view on the defensive extreme is now being advised that or yeah, no, the other train deleted the other. if we're going to have person to support me, i'm going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. we're not a guard variety politician in that regard. i'm not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice any way just in order to we in any way. no, that's best. not how i yeah, that's not how i proceed. professor, what do i do have for the rest of the company? do that more from the 2020 for us independent presidential candidate after this break the

to the cousins, bailey was not great because as bailey was expansion and need a ride can be along the we can discuss it, but the ra shot, their safety, expansion of nature, as a vital exist spouse will trap to russian security. and uh, it must be repeated once again. that's russia, said it many, many times since the mid 1996 the the welcome back to going on the right. and i'm still here with professor going out west 2024 us independent presidential candidate. you know, professor we were talking about one about the fact that as you designate the right wing the populace to isolate she was like dr. carson, are increasingly critical of u. s. foreign policy over here in the middle east. the big story as well as gaza is

that to him. or on con, the who used to run focused on democratically elected leader. he made some comments about his own withdrawal being conductive at the hands of the us conspirators and the so it reminds a lot of people in eurasia, in the middle east and africa and latin america about the us is sponsorship for democracy is at schools in the state department, what would you do is president, when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us states that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it, destroy any idea of democracy. you know, one of the thing you have to do as president is use the bully pulpit to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of c. i a fundamental role of us material foreign policy that over through democratic region,

we could talk about what a model that we've talked about iran and we could talk about where z a we start, but dominican republic can talk about renee that you talk about panama. we need to be, they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. so you see, so often there's not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to a knowledge to prove about the ways in which the united states have been a anti democratic force around the world been pro marked it always been obsessed with profit always been obsessed with the international monetary fund in the world bank, extracting resources as well as profit. but it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and worky people's in africa and latin american agents. so is it fair to guide you through a function here?

so people that understand my vision because my vision is one that looked at the world through the lands. oh, poor and work, the people here and around the world. and therefore, the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the international monetary for contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and work the people that oh, and just create african board was the and age and board was e and latin american boys. while the which are simply partners with, with the international capital, to can 10 you to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own poor people. as i mean trump again coming from a very different philosophy. your philosophy is the right word to describe, but where he's coming from at all has similar views about the super natural structure. the certainly as big views of i'd be if we, i ca, i mean i don't know is more and come with the weather mode about the f b i who knows. he doesn't like them. job job has been talking about using us forces

to inmate mexico. that is as imperialism vacant bay. we had an $1840.00 stage more that conquer mexico took 50 percent of all and mexico i grew up in california. used to be mexico. texas used to be mexico. arizona used mexico over the u, as in beijing, the mexico on the left of that truck now using the same language that's 19th century imperial language in that regard. so again, i don't see where the, there's any similarity to myself. and in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than, than the live is dropped, present to neo fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of, of by the flip side of neo liberalism is what militaristic, the gaza militaristic attacks of the human, militaristic, latin american, past africa at this very moment. well,

neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his national security adviser was on this row. and it was trump who was offering at olive branch to venezuela. i if uh, if, if uh, what you're going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. that's education on housing, on free health care for ordinary americans. what are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the united states for so long? again, i have to said, you know, trump, so you know, he ration was talking about american cottage that something very similar to your view about what is being done to the pool of working classes with united states over decades. but what, what do you do with dealing with that you're going to forgive it in a con is, would be late in the black. it was, and the brown. it was in a full big, deeply, white supremacists, very, very different. land is the which is viewing the world when he talks about sap that

talk about the plan, the, the decay on the plan, the impact yes, the right about it. but i will not budge one inch when it comes to a position to critique. well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. it is a very, the general like the low lies, whether you do get it and then there's a still a line of whole life and he got his own life. i may, it's not some would say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be brought to justice. be brought to justice. i'm talking about wall street really to make how many wall street gains went to jail and inside of the trading market manipulation, predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one in the bottom right now. one went to jail. i had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a truck that side of black side sacramento that in other parts that went to jail. but we just don't mind just not revenge them. and you know, i don't, i don't believe in vicious talk about revenge. i just want just may again, trump,

this is upset with revenge. you don't hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. it all, you know, the pressure is a, against any president trying to bring in free healthcare given that some our financial power of that lobby. why do you think his that the, they continue to have such a power has the or even the binding ministration admits the price of co pays and all of his private health insurance in milwaukee continues and the us taxpayer has to pay ever more for it. so it can end up in the company's profit sheets. we just don't have enough power, you know, to organize money as low as possible at the moment and organize people, which means people are not as well organized that we ought to be. but the, the only thing that we end up changing in a way that i would like to change is, is, is organized people power on the streets, going to jail, creating challenges,

civic disobedience of the, the people who don't have other people still supporting the bible version of democracy by the democrats and they cowards. what is the role of cowards in your system as well? i mean, that's a wonderful question because i'd rather be of course, in the account myself, but the role of cowards of those who are willing to defer the powers that be for some kind of money, a status title and cowardly. and this would cause across color cuts across gender, sexual orientation, and nation. it's a human thing, and it has to do with those who have given up on any rage, those who a self, who sold as souls in relation to any vision that's changing the world. the name of poured and working people and it's highly probation. how i mean this is why you baked with just the days because it is reward. that's why you see so many black

faces in high places or so less sold and want to act as they have. their very existence is a litmus tests, a black progress, a human progress. when is crushing, poor people is crushing, working people and get in the name of i agree with that, the ink to generate any of the bureaucratic categories that are out there that don't want to come to terms with the issues of class domination or imperial domination. don't want to come to terms with the light and predict when to port working people. yeah, jenny, ellen was in congress science and questions. it was all the people of color that were asking or easy obsequious questions. and it was the white republicans and whereas can put new ones, anyone could see that is that a pro we want further questions from anybody and every body? i'm so craddick in that sense, but even still granted that low across the board. and obviously democracy is nothing without a free press. do you have a free press now in the united states and that's where we got to cali press. we've

got to press the depth is not willing to raise his voice directed to actually wrestle with some of the deeper questions that have to do with the future of america. there was a bipartisanship in, in, in the us press of the militarism expansion of the military budget. no sir, is the case of wall street, no stairs could take some corporate greed and silicon valley. you get that both democratic party, republican party, both fox news and m as in dc, and they all had trump and you had trump is more popular than ever. yeah, that's true. that's true. as the as president. uh, would you immediately end this extradition from torture of julian? i sancha who kind of exemplifies them free for us. it was the 1st day of the party,

julie, this also followed me me a bu, jamal. uh, i would, i would like to ask that shot or she could come home if she wanted to get all of those will be, i'm had been a fairly incarcerated onto their political views, and i'm thoroughly convinced of my dear brother do. and the son has been unduly un unjustly treated owing to what exposing the crimes of the american empire. that's all brother julie indeed. and it's sad to see that the journalistic establishment can't say a mom and word about their fellow journal. just shows the level of the above present as you know, brother randy credit going others. i've been talking about this with great trojan paul and i stand with what happens to politicians in the united states who advocate for free health care housing education. they look like they're coming anywhere near power, as they say that the things like nato should be dismantled and the money should be

spent not on killing machines, but on american progress, character, assassination, literal, assassination, marginalization. there's just a tax to misconstrue, misunderstand, but even given that intense bomb bar degree tradition to, to tell in and just to seeking steel goes on the road. that's the good news. that's the good news. it could never be completely snapped out, never be thoroughly suffocated. even if they killed a body spirit in new body, build on that spirit. that is the good news. so just to encapsulated your campaign and will marks you at different that robert kennedy to donald trump, to genocide joe, is he's gould to encapsulate what is the platform a blood full of what is,

was put in poor and working people at the center here and around the world, this man meant in power on the sheet, democratic possibilities and also connect them to struggle to justice, to the level of beauty. those musicians and the artists play a fundamental role as we enact the kind of spiritual awakening and political renaissance need just to introduce america to the best of itself. that's martin king as edward's a. ready rabbi, as well as dorothy day, that's curtis mayfield and john coltrane. professor going out west. thank you. and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to the surviving the killing and god's in jerusalem will be back on monday. focusing on another us 2020 full presidential candidate donald trump's. we can do a full, i'm a senior official who argues in a new book and a trump is the swamp. he declares he wants to drain until then. keep in touch by all social media. if it's nonsense, if you'll country and how do i channel. so,

you know, you're going to be a normal, don't come to watch, new and old episodes, i'm going on the grand see monday, the, [000:00:00;00] the known in vietnam american war,

the vietnam war lost it for almost 2 decades and drained in numerous countries. not any time between now and then you don't see it now. what it's all on the empty hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to bank the south vietnamese on me. i thought about that not, but american soldiers limited resistors, most of us like to down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals and lee by all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the via the means veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's

a ways to go. yeah. the state of israel requests the parts to reject the request for them with the situation. an indication of provisional measures submitted by the republic of south africa as well as head co, the international court of justice hare and goes the country and twice to shift the blame for it, so expensive. it has killed holdings 35000 and gone make criticism from the you when the us on valve the floating docks to deliver aids to garza, for most loans, crossings, remain close to his private trying to deliver much needed supplies. are attacked by is really senseless. all side rest 3, good foundations,