the, the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president, emmanuel, the ground says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for kids. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion, the prospecting ukraine. i'm joined by my guest over desires in geneva. he is an author

and former un independent expert on international order in brussels. we turn to appear emmanuel tom on. he is a lecture at leon university and in nice we crossed to alex because of all of which he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst or a gentleman comstock rose in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i would somebody go to you 1st, the nice because you're in france, so nice. so i started out with the french president here. it says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, they filled troops, somebody's troops, i don't know of, and those conditions, are it kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zalinski. so it, i don't see that is m b and, and beauty. i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead, alex, find a deity, right? it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about. really funny because you see like it's, it's, it's that simple going all along the lines. you can say he's going to send troops

in a line breaks, or if you create, makes a request. well, i think you create would have already made that request of it. it had a chance to meet and request these me is or you'll find the sky ideas. and i felt like little napoleon here he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need while they don't really not even bathroom on it. you talk any st politician . nobody wants to go in, so you create a fish. now the other side of the corn is we know that since 2014, they couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine unofficially. so what does this make of what the process i think what makes a big difference actually when you look at a different diplomatic for your face, when you say you're basically on the ground. well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of rhetoric. we should be pulling back. we know what the situation is on the ground. winds have been broken time and time again because you created a body off their backing off, their mind is being broken very quickly. i saw that in the past few months. so why

would background say this posture? i mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe, and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military gear in europe. they, they, armstrong, you know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that sort as much as like your rambling it. i hope that the president, she told him a thing or 2 about how to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes how the adults in the room and we know when back from that within we all know who looked like the adult in the room. so let's. ready let's stop playing these uh, you know, to slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he just wants to be the pocket in nato. but you know, the, the, the way,

the conditions that he said they know if the lines break and the silence he makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy. alfred as well obviously of credit is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on under pressure. and this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrogance. uh, watched them eventually just to say, face to declare war on prussia, which he lost in 6 months now. um, we don't ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break that grid lock,

you would need to break the pretends. you need to accept the fact that the whether we like it or not, we live on only one land and we cannot afford to continue with escalation. what is not only mat crohn whose mad on it is joe biden, and anthony blanket and all of shots and his board minister and recei. uh, so like this 4 minutes or um, uh, david camera on there. oh, using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now, now that you brought up a camera and um, i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he very, um, uh, loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want and wherever they want, even against rush, i brush you a proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against brush are used by the

ukrainians if it's used in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. you looks like the earned varieties of for the western states and the re friend so. so trying to take the lead, know of the and not cheap for underlying got to are you create a new will be the winnings along the russia should lewisville war. and this is not operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or in the very relies, there being a top 30 misinterpreting re so crises from the beginning keeper notice they understand more, more about or, or if it's not, the less fate. and the imaging mccormick, overall wisdom, the just been,

don't know what to do more to, to steal up here as critical or andrew, or the way the filed is to increase or the, your ok, she's not chief. like true witching troops on the wrong, the beating the size or hitching your territory of russia, or vote from the french fun of you, your good or so these are in town or the debate in france, we'd be a nixton's jump and part of an approaching wherever the politic are brought to be money written by cool is very, is going to lose the butter because there are some of them found us ranada is made or position be so we still bought the and the pin is no, but dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to you have made money going back home, so he liked great falsities not cheap of being very strongly international . they don't have very many. well, let me ask the question,

do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine? apparently they're already there. so i'm a, i mean i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow the chrome to make that decision. i mean, or you, even the people make a decision here the same, this, the stikes, the stakes, are so high for someone pastoring. yes. that's right, of each center was because, or it looks like your view is narrow to me is increasing and the rising mistakes on in v. and we don't know because to look pretty border or image you're not home, might to be your feel obliged to do something to do it tuesday. didn't really troops officially, we don't know, but or many general are seen front expert safety issues. she's are, you will be a disaster because france has not come out really teach with strategy. come big. you t, your need, the, your immediate to recovery, beatitude behind on for us as is not ready for. i entered city war. and this is why

it is so denture was renewal, but we also already some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the grounds? and the, even though we've been minimum reverse of troops or each would be a disaster un, under most a french peeper. does that really? but if you main politic, are parties of position does that really? but, but it would be smart tv student going on a think on to the end of your painted extra estimate maybe. well, i mean, you know, it's, i mean, it was good. let me go to alex back and you said it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are much higher then these electrons coming up here. you know the problem, alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy? what about ukraine? go ahead. no. i mean, that's a big question and i,

what are the say the rest of wants to take over all of you create that has never been the, the, the idea. if anything, the 1st lube is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool governments and basically put somebody else in charge with a little bit more common sense that the, that running the show at the top 5 for russian to take over you crazy again, and that's not a strategic value to reference goals to all the to the have. they are holding the land and the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak, their language ross boss, their rights to teach their, their kids, russian. the was the rights to how they're signed up in russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so what russia did was defending is people of people that could identify themselves as russia does rush. i have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your brushing missiles. don't have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their targets, just like western missiles. don't have to go up to the board or russia,

but for some reason, they thought it would be a good idea to expand the needle, you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and the people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west. the us and friends and in the have, you know, people have been talking more forever. i was with the you went of see all of this is the 1990 this month. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups, the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash for this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans. and when they can use, you could use as content. bonner and it will support civilians are going through this for absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is background going to do then, what they say that the rent fraction mercenaries of what well the power in leaf,

and they say is already there. they say the forwarding legion's already there before he goes everywhere and you and j. c. up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and i'm sure they're, they're there to, to some degree right now. just like probably all righty. i said going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion about you can stay with our team. the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is a conflict with the 1st law show you live in justification, we should be very careful about our professional intelligence at the point, obviously is to make a trust rather than to the various job with artificial intelligence,

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stimulus the industry is it will less money will process the left. so should william farmer shots might give us who we have court gosh door to door or decision did my name, and what was that man was the ones that ridiculous funds that is the best one today . and, but you also closer to the actual to settlement shows. those are pretty sharp journals on page. did officially screen those on page. do what i mean. there's a push out the well connected prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter about true mind you were discussing. you create the ok. let's go back to l for the in geneva, which is for every action there is an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of,

particularly over the last few new cycles or rushes decided to a start exercise is a, a new killer drills for them, cooper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree, but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred. ah, no, i do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power level world are parallel reality and the public, the masses are subject to re land plus brain washing. i mean, and it's not only new york times working on pose cnn frankl down define it's, i don't even hear it switzerland, you re nonsense and annoy it, to over to the title and organizations like mine. i'm in the geneva international

peace research institute. the get rate, we have put out a blueprint for peas in ukraine. we have sent it to the allstate. the 8th is a hole in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland and was, was visited. we're going to have uh, in may in june. this uh, so called peace conference. i said brother getting stuck on lake road south. now they are going to be a lot of blueprint for piece. the 10 point plan off. uh, sure, landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected uh from reality, but uh, the 12 point point plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind of the africans is good. uh, the international progress organization has put off that very good plan. also,

both frances has put out a plan. so there are ideas out there, and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but uh, if uh, say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc, might lead to the conference to discard the 10 point apply of as related scale as totally unrealistic. i start to look for possibilities of a compromise. well it's, it's interesting now for that you mentioned a number of countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have the blueprint to start the process of ending this conflict here. i'm going to go to peer manual right now. um, but no western leader does that. no western leader, no one in nato. does that and put in. so now, hang on, put, hang on, hang on, i'm putting. so now you ration,

he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward, appearing menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden, people from cameron from sergeant schultz. where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining security for all players. they never talked about language. go ahead and brussels. yeah. so unfortunately, or i've seen it in your appeal on a member states of natal, i'm not through the silver ring anymore, but resp or are they your i think they the she to more or while you are g to up to you are awesome. or why are to be 0 attempting system with a run? can we'd be nate to lunch with any independent voters? and this is like your, the, your pants are competing to be the best artist of washington. and are trying to

also, at the same time, a true she to of, of, back to you in case of for trump will be elected because they seem to the united states really less um, less it'd be present in europe enough. s. but that's a sick time, a very your, the photo, the main, your part of the car objectives of, of washington. and it's likely we want to find a nation to be sure, or is a body of washington in europe and to, to, to found available own leadership weaving, or vis, cease to meet or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict because we're menu, well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be too and insulting here, but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this background. he is, he's is channeling his enter the gall, he can't find it. um,

cameron is no churchill. i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't. no one would notice, go ahead go. exactly. so it would be closer to the party to kind of trust, ease or afraid very your low quality g to be frank. those seems the departure of the voting for us on more more. you've been seeing prison in the front, small more lines under i would say are under sex on the water, we vote to the every or independent voice and or imaging. and what, oh, sure does in the, in the experience of the read crises of low instruction on whether last president with experience in war and, or they use it, they don't understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. carter butler,

a francis should do it takes the lead vis your band project. but the v e. u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance and the the can be done on the stand up to position them serve in this new emergency put out well emerging. where actually you is losing power on the left side only. uh and hardwood cpg quote. uh, is making a beat on aggressive out of the weight. we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nucular missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world is we don't we want, we want to be a target for in a new killer war i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want to, you want it, you're giving a nod to washington. you. where are you? where are your guys in europe to get differential get the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead

and why don't we need to talk? suppose people, instead of the post politics is, which are almost obviously bought. i don't think the, if he talked everybody that's the lowest 80 we're here year of the co. you are very different story about their feelings to what's happening in ukraine. they're, they're still in some sense in the he, you added your. but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking into carissa, you listen to some of their politicians. these are people that have seen it, especially the cravens. i get all sort of the you talk the serve use you know they, there's a whole. ready follow to that serve you somehow attached to, to rush like it by them delafield court. it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are now leading. ready stations know exactly what happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided. go little bit north, the hungary, then you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out

a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, alford, it seems to me, with all this loose endangers rhetoric, coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something out. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred, it was going to be back when the last 2 great end is gone. because and what do you do at that particular point? i mean, sooner or later, you have to accept that. uh, this failed the same as a us incursions in vietnam, failed. same as that your was incursion in afghanistan failed the why does it very easily just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in a very difficult position. there are intelligent people liked to meet the, the fox, who have uh said,

very intelligent things you have in german. a guy falls on shore and board and several older politicians, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite, between our so called democratically elected leaders, and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends, or nearly they don't want war. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are probably exec in the service of washington, or wait one day historian, full pallets, or if you're with lawyers, that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of fruits. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well,

it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, you, you might, you often hear the phrase, future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologists. what was wrong with these decision makers? why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security and know your opinion leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's really remember. let's remember, his fame was book the sleep woke up from christopher cock. com. we arrive, oh, the 1st world war is tots each and do each countries a different interest to be before it will be a little kind of war on venue. we came to with 1st of all because we were miscalculations or a lot of properties on the from all sides. they were lying in the newspapers to

what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sides, so need to and that's yukon, and do mobile or people folks up or e for us. very region more, more are still not cheap p textbooks, whichever tools do what people are. and that's why the elections he's going to be already. it'd be good the surprise or, and also many military expos actually would be lying on tv, on the reach situation because they've been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because you what research is not happening and are very, very find only are gross cvt on the well large and we're going to end up selling or we're going to end the program on the same. you know that we started it, this is all strategic confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for gentleman. that's all the time we have a want to thank my guess a nice brussels and engineers. and of course,

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known in vietnam as the american war, the vietnam war lost its almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time between now and then you don't see it now. why it's all. i'm emptied. hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to bank the south vietnamese on me. i thought about that not, but american soldiers loaded resistors, most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals and lee by all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah yeah,

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