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the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter live out in french, president emmanuel. the ground says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for kids. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion. the prospect in ukraine i'm joined by my guess over desires in geneva. he is an author

and former un independent expert on international order in brussels. we turn to appear emmanuel, tom, mom, he is a lecture at lee on university and in nice we cross boot, alex become well rich. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst or a gentleman cross cycles. and the fact that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. i would somebody go to you 1st and nice because you're in france, so nice. so i started out with the french president here. he says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, they filled troops, somebody's troops, i don't know of, and those conditions, are it kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zelinski. so it, i don't see that as m. b and beauty, i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead, alex, find a deity, right. it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about early, because you see like it's, it's, it's that simple. going all along the lines and then saying he's going to send troops. and if the mind breaks or if you create, makes

a request. so i think you crew would have already made that request submitted a had a chance to make a request. these me is or you'll find the sky ideas. and i felt like little napoleon here, he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need while they don't really not even bathroom on it. you talk any st politician . nobody wants to go until you create a fish. now the other side of the corn is we know that since 2014, they couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine unofficially. so what does this make of what the process of staple makes a big difference? actually when you look at a typical diplomatic for your face, when you say you're basically on the ground, well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of rhetoric. we should be pulling back. we know what the situation is on the ground. winds have been broken time and time again because you created a body off, their backing off, their mind is being broken very quickly as solidly in the past few months. so why would background say this posture?

i mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe, and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military gear. and you're, they, they, armstrong, you know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that sort as much as i, you're rambling it. i hope that the president, she told him a thing or 2 about how to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes how the adults in the room and we know when back from that with them we all know who looked like the adult in the room. so let's. ready let's stop playing these uh, you know, the slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he just wants to be the pocket in nato. but you know, it'd be the, the way the conditions that he said they know if the lines break and the silence he

makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy. alfred as well. obviously a grant is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on under pressure. and this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrogance. uh, watched them eventually just to say, face to declare war on prussia, which he lost in 6 months now. um, we don't ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break the grid lock, you would need to break the pretends. you need to accept the fact that the whether we like it or not,

we live on only one land and we cannot afford to continue with escalation. what is not only mat crohn whose mad on it is joe biden, and anthony blanket and all of shots and his born minister and recei. uh, so like this for minutes or um, uh, david camera on there. oh. using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now the other 2 brought up, um a camera and um, i'll go to appear manual. i mean, he very, um, uh, loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want and wherever they want, even against rush, i brush or proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against brush are used by the

ukrainians if it's used in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. if you look side on rivera, chief of for, or west on states and the read front. so sort of trying to take the lead, know of the and not chief for underlying dot or you create a new will be the winnings along the russia should lewisville war and to this is not operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or in the relies, there being a ton of music interpreting re, so crises from the beginning to per, nobody's, they understand more more about or are we not to less fate and the imaging mccord like overall wisdom the just been don't know, what to do more to,

to steal up your us credit or andrew, are the wave of filed is to increase or the, you're ok, she's not chief like crew putting troops on the wrong, the beating the size or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french fun of you, your good or so these are in town or the debates in france we be a mixed and said europe and part of an approaching wherever the policy got bought. you'll be money. good. and my girl is very, is going to lose the bought her because or how somebody on the bonus ronada these main or position be so we still about they're not on dying looking. uh is no, but dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to you have made money very much . so he mentioned about who would like to reinforce of these narrative of being very strongly international say don't pay very many. well, let me ask the question, do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine?

apparently they're already there. so i'm a, i mean i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow them across. and to make that decision, i mean, or even the people make a decision here that the same, this, the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. yes, that's right. of each center will speak closer. it looks like you're this narrative is increasing and the rising mistakes on in the end. we don't know because to look pretty border or image you're not home, might to be your feel obliged to do something to do it tuesday and really troops of you shortly. we don't know, but or many general are seen for us. experts saves you she's, she's are, you will be a disaster because france has not become of any teach with strategy. come big. you t, your need, the, you're sure military kept the beatitude behind. and for us as is not ready for i entered city wall and this is why it is so denture was renewal,

but we also already some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the ground, and the, even though we've a minimum reverse of troops or each would be a disaster un, under most a french peeper, does that really? but if you made particular properties of position, does that really? but, but it would be scenario tv, student going on a think on to the end of your pin. it actually was made made well, i mean, you know, if it was good, let me go to alex back. and he said it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are much higher then these elections coming up here. you know the problem, alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy? and what about ukraine? go ahead. no. i mean, that's a big question and i what are the say the rest of the wants to take over all of you

create that has never been the, the, the idea if anything, the 1st move into a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool governments and basically put somebody else in charge with a little bit more common sense of the people that are running the show at the time for russian to take. ringback for ukraine, again, that's not a strategic value to reference goals, all the to the that they're holding the land and the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak their language. ross butler right. to teach there are there kids russians still watch the rights to have their signs up and russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so uh, what russians did was defending is people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush. i have a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your brushing distance. don't have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their target, just like western missiles don't have to go up to the board or russia, but for some reason, they thought it'd be

a good idea to expand the needle. you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen, and they all came from the west u. s. brands, and in the head of your people, i've been talking more forever honest with the you. when i see all of this is the 1996 months, that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups in the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash with this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans and when they can use, you could use as content and ponder and those poor civilians are going through. this are absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you, before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what his background going to do? then we say that the red pression mercenaries of what a, well, the foreign lead time they say is already there. they say the forwarding legions already there are, before me,

is ever and young j. c. up to the canadian aspect of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and i'm sure they're, they're there to, to some degree right now. just like probably all righty. i'm still going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion about you can stay with archie the to the water is a part of the the employee would post good. isn't the deepest view of us and building the word, or is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good. let's stop without glitches. let's go. hi,

i'm rick sanchez and i'm here to play with you. whatever you do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do the have the state department c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. i changed and whatever you do, don't want my show state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the wayne thing. the welcome back. the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt . true mind you were discussing. you create the okay, let's go back to alfred in geneva,

which is for every action there's an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rush has decided to and start the exercise is a, a new killer drills for the gum duper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree, but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred. uh, uh, no. they do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power loan world, or barrel and reality. uh, and the public. the masses are subject to re land plus brain washing. i mean, and it's not only new york times, washington post and then price will down define it. so i don't even hear it. switzerland,

you re nonsense and annoyed so your title and organizations like mine, i'm in the do you name a international piece? research institute, the get rate, we have pulled out a blueprint for peace and ukraine. we have sent it to the r o. c, a for the whole in burn. and of course you know that we in switzerland. i'm also interested in, we are going to have uh, in may in june. this of so called peace conference of the builder and stuck on lake road south. now, they are going to be a lot of blueprints for piece. the 10 point plan off. uh, sure, landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected, uh, from reality. but, uh, the 12 point point uh, plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind, all the africans is good. uh,

the international progress organization has put off that very good plan. also told frances had put out a plan. so there are ideas out there. and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but uh, if uh, say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc, might lead to the conference to discard the 10 point applying of isolated scale. it's totally unrealistic. i start to look for possibilities of a compromise. well, it is, it's interesting now for that, you mentioned a number of the countries around the world, the energy individual to pope in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex. here. i'm going to go to appear menu. all right. now, um, but no western leader does that no western lead,

no one in nato. does that and putting into nausea, right. hang on, hang on, hang on, i'm putting. so now you ration, he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward, appearing menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden? people from cameron from sergeant schultz. where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining a security for all players. they never talk about language. go ahead in brussels. yeah, so unfortunately for i've seen it in european member states of natal on not trudy silver rain anymore and resp or are they your i think they this feeling more are y e r g 2 up to your us. um or why are to be 0 attempting system with a run cuz we'd be nate to bunch with any independent votes. and this is like your, the,

your pants are competing to be the best artist of washington and are trying to, oh, so at the same time she to, of, of, back to you in case of for trunk. would it be inactive because they seem to the united states with the less um, less it'd be present in europe in office. but that's a sick time of a your before to the main your part of the car objectives of, of washington. and it's likely they want to find a nice in vis or, or a is a monique of washington in europe and to, to, to found vale owned leadership weaving, or vis systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict because we're menu, well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be too insulting here, but is there any leadership in europe at all?

i mean, you know, you see this background. he is, he's is channeling his inner to gall. he can't find it. cameron is no churchill, i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't, no one would notice. go ahead go. exactly because or the part you kind of trust is or afraid very your low quality to be frank. those seems the departure of the voting for us on more more. you've been seeing president on the front small more lines on the i would say are under sex on the water. we go to the independent voice and are image even more or so doesn't that in the experience of the read crises of low voltage drop. she and i was there last president with experience in war, and are they use it?

they don't understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. carter, butler, a francis, should do take the lead vis europe and project. but the v e u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance and the, the can be done on the stand up to position them serve. in this new emergency put on work, emoji we're actually due is losing power on the left side, only in our growth cvt quote, we think it'll be the speaking of the young aggressive alex, the said wait, we have the polish official. them wanting to host the american nuclear missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world is we don't we want, we want to be a target for in a nuclear war. i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want to, you want it, you're giving a nod to washington. you. where are you?

where are you guys in europe to get differential get the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead and why don't we need to talk suppose people instead of the post politicians withdrawal obviously, but i don't think the if he talked to anybody that's for us any we're here to hear of a they're both of you are very different story to put their feelings to what's happened, a ukraine they're, they're still in some sense in the you added your but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking to increase and you listen to some of their politicians, these are people that have seen it, especially the creations i get outside of the you talking to serve use you know that there's this whole. ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to, to rush to like provide them the whole court it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are now leading. ready stations know exactly what happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided, go little bit north,

the hungry. then you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, you alford, it seems to me with all this loose and dangerous rhetoric coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something else. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred, it was going to be back when the last 2 great and is gone. because and what do you do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as the us incursions in vietnam, failed. same as that your was incursion in afghanistan failed the why does it very easily just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in a very difficult position. there are intelligent people like dominique, the, the ball will have uh said,

very intelligent brings you have in german. a guy falls on shore and board and several older politicians, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite, between our so called democratically elected leaders, and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends, or nearly they don't want war. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are how exec in the service of washington, or wait one day historian full pallets, or if you're with lawyers that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of fruits. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at

that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, you, you might, you often hear the phrase, future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologist what was wrong with these decision makers. why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security and know your opinion leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's we remember. let's remember, always fame was book the sleep woke up from christopher cock call. we arrive, oh, the 1st world war is tots. each and do each countries a different interest to be before it will be a little kind of war on venue. read to him to with 1st of all,

because we were miscalculations or a lot of propaganda from all sides. they were lying in the newspapers to what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sides, so need to and that's yukon and do mobile or people for example, for us very region more more are still not cheap p expos, whichever tools to what people are. and that's why the elections he's going to be already. it'd be good the surprise or, and also, or many military expos, actually would be lying on tv, on the root situation. because they've been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because what research is not happening and are very, very find only a growth cvt on the well large and we're gonna end up selling or we're going to end the program on the same road that we started it. this is all strategic confusion

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