towards the drawers, the hello and welcome to cross dog boards on peter labelle. here we discuss some real news background. the cam run in nato. we're doubling down on ukraine and or anti is really protests on campus. a significant. how do they compare with previous bouts of student activism? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod counselor of the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals in america. ash we have martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator, right general and cross type rules and effect that means can jump anytime you want . and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george and budapest. there was a pattern here developing george every time the president of france,

a menu of mcgraw's speaks to the economist. he causes a lot of mist yet. okay. um, any shatter is that, that claim that nato is completely locks that unit by because every time he speaks to the economists, he gets a lot of other nato members. the important ones, like b, u, k, the disagrees with him. so what did he say this time? the 2 major takeaways were, and this is about the introduction of french troops or nato troops deliver, really clear to me, the translator should make that clear, but he does it. um, so nato troops are french troops with inter ukraine, if ukrainian lines were breaking. well, they are breaking, okay. the 2nd one is a few kids requests. so i have to read a request for assistance. i just have to wonder it is mr. only have his phone disconnected because i think they would have called by now. george, what do you draw up? and this will talk about david cameron,

who should have disappeared from public life forever, but the fact. so let's talk about the crowd approach for us city, right? the, the if it's a very head scratching experience. 11 has one been listening to these interviews with black chrome because he expands at great length without ever really explaining what he means. so he declares that, oh, well, he wants these introduction of, of, as you say, it's not clear with his french troops. so nato cruz, i assume you would like nato chose, but as a backup, just in case he doesn't get the major troops that he just says french troops. well, because he wants to create strategic ambiguity. so he wants bruton uh to be on something in his own mind, what he wants to do and then he says, and then he just the by side by side. oh yeah, but um, you know, with the, we've been putting all these limits on what we've done in the past,

but protein has no limits on what he does. which of course is complete nonsense because both in a shown itself to be extremely limited in his uh, goals in the ukraine. and then he says, as you say, well, if you bring in lines of breaking, which is what it, what does he mean by that? is like breaking now. so for those, as you say, is this. um, we have as the lensky oscar full of french troops, and he said, bug so far, he hasn't dos. okay, well, how about tomorrow he's gonna use go to us. what do you, what are you going to do then? so he thinks that he's being very cute, hit the oh, i'm creating the deed you're going to do. it's a, you know, go to now there's no one of what one i'm going to do. and that's a and that's a good thing for us, but it really isn't. because now he's now said it's several times and he's got to be eventually cold up on it. you're going just keep glossy without getting cold up

on your bluff. i forget what dates are going to be good and strategic confusion are 2 different things. you know, martin, it's, i think, you know, we've seen enough of hollywood builds, that means you go into a bar and you want to pick a fight. you better not be bluffing. you better be prepared to fight. i think that this is the confusion, big mac chrome is a sending out a not only within the natural world, but addressing the russians. it seems like confusion not in beauty to me. yeah, i think um, well, wasn't it mac or him? so you said a couple of years ago when describing they said that it was brain dead. i think this is really the breakdown now it took now that he's indulging in, unlike any, the solar speeches, the, some of them chops the, has with java. this of this sort of coal sense of john, as i mentioned that you know, you have to publish what he says if your economy is solely uh, used to take out full page and its oreos in the telegraph in the, in the print edition, the in and also longer because he really believes that he is a lovely, that he really believes that he is

a little icon and the anglo saxon west, and weld. and because he isn't. and that's where the problem, you know, and that's why you need to keep doing this because it's an idea that he has that he's a world leader and he has that kind of implants. and what's really going on there, you know, is this really serious? you know, you mentioned the us see, i think is a lot of smoke and mirrors here. not really much of it make sense talking about the russians breaking through the printed lines. that would be the training and lines that don't exist because ukrainians took the money from the americans to build this so called motional line, but they didn't actually build it in the end. so what's the, what's the, what's the, have, you know, breaking sort of a printed lines below, you know, what? so when you're dealing with it, i've written, it might have totals and painted before on the show about these mac chrome polemic . you know, this is that some, this, you know, really about starting up a little bit. and what do you really want to do is scam and got a number of a human mistake in particular hungry into thinking that look,

if you don't have sign off on the 100000000000 dollar packets that we've got in the pipeline from day. so, you know, new blocks that we're just going to be a massive failure for, for the west of the lease. if it doesn't go through, if you, if you don't sign off on that, then we can result of this. and you being in the region, you know, you being a, on the boulder, you're going to be really at the, one of the countries. it's going to be a hit, the hardest if we start to go back and say the amount of mess, this is not a mess that should the russians. it's a message to other nato members. yeah, i'd be joining your show. and then george, i mean it's also public opinion that he needs to look like a leader or something like that. and you know, don't championing his inner boat or power to george. i mean, this is the billing. i mean, i, it, there's, i mean, they do, they both are small med, i mean that, that works at least in here. okay. you know, i, i think so. um, but they also, um, here they gave you,

peter alluded to it the other day. there is a um, a desire on the pots of uh, your ups leaders and that the, all this includes mac road, but we're still left on the line and use that barrell, to crack down on the european freedom of speech as much as possible. and generally the freedom in europe, and what better opportunity is the then where in the state or rule and lena, but because already said, you know, we are a boy with russia. so there is a, a vested interest among europe that leads to whip up was thought of a to justify you know, the various crackdowns on the, on social media, unfree expression that they already have in the pipelines. i mean, we will about the digital services that could be used as adoptive. they constantly applying pressure against the social media. this is the best opportunity for it. so, um, you know, there is obviously that, that aspect of it. but they,

the vision micros problem does still you of now said this over and over again. and that's at some point you're going to be on the hook they gonna have, they use the landscape is going to come to you and you know, all the, the university policy makers, all the same things like they come to you and say, well, this is the opportunity, you know, we go, we've got a real problem on my hands. and, and this is somebody gives a board also the getting the other day if rusher wins and ukraine, then we are on the switch. well, york is under threat of allows the guard is under threat. we cannot allow russians, the wind, so you settle this? well, yeah, pretty much coming up to the brink, the saying, well, now we're a more and, and then then what are you going to do? and you go to sob, mobilizing the country, and, well, you know, that's a good one, it has to be towards, or like this end of the, the, the, of the, okay, you're heading towards the design that has to wonder if prince generals would even be the call to be honest with you, okay. mine was go to the u. k. david cameron,

the return of the walking dead as it were to as part of the secretary, his government took a show lacking and local elections. and he's saying that, you know, of something like, you know, a guaranteed $3000000000.30 pounds a year for ukraine adding per item here. i wonder why they lost those election. so go ahead. you know, when they lost those elections, because hardly anybody, even tories that both of those kinds of disabilities have any confidence in this government to win the next general election. you know, we're all basically preparing for a late to victory um, which is a disaster. so because i don't think like the body of the are even though he's on the issues that we're concerned about. yeah, i don't see a difference. yeah. i know. so, i mean it's so for david cameron, too. so spouses, you know, it's very difficult to, to, to consider, to think about david cameron without thinking about terrible articles to somebody wrote about him way at each. and he probably does something quite basically with

a picks head, but moving away from the house that's such sexual x. i think um, he's really also cavities and days. and he knows that in 6 months time is going to be out of a job. so it raises myself, what he said, obviously he's going to support bite and, and this idea to the helps you know, the is just put going in the rack or the saying, you know, the idea of friendship. so a native trips in ukraine is completely out of the question because that which is the bulk of world war, but he doesn't come up with any oh, tons of cloud is still very concrete except the signing of more and more money. unless thing that's a huge on so your question, i think people are tired of these policies in the u. k, which doesn't make any sense, which doesn't add up a tool via politically internationally or you funds domestically. you know, and i'm, well, i think the question we should ask ourselves in the u. k. and into european union and america on we, on the cost of some massive political see change. you know, is there a new generation of politicians now going to be,

should in what's happening in the okay. and you mentioned the local elections is the, it seems to be a period of a little amount. so we're gonna have, i think a lot small, independent candidates, you know, nice enough enough enough without, like joyce got enough all the, much on the gallery are able to actually direct media tools to more come themselves now to on your trade in israel, you know, something quite size, but it can happen in the next one. i mean, that's a problem. i agree with any lease then sentiment. i agree with you, but you know, i'm going to go to george who is the a consummate pessimist here. um uh and even is the promotion for this program on this channel. george repeats the words, we have the tools, they have the tools george they have spent. they basically have all the cards and the deck, social media, censorship, shutting down ben use um. there was a, a very famous um, uh, i mean with um, some kind of um, how city and surgeon that is, you know, just basically been made for signing on bradford atlanta, totally not to france. and then they told them you can speak and literally put them

on the late slide. they put them on an early what they did, and it's really nasty. these people are really nasty and they want to show their power image. jim intimidation and violence is their strongest, but the last card to play that absolutely. right. and then the other day i, i saw a story. oh, some german politician has been attacked physically as i thought, you know, but, but he was a green one. was a green politician, other was social democrat, bought it immediately. german media. this is the alternative for deutschland support us behind it. we've been waiting for this body to be bad, the job and you know, whether it is it because the pro russian is it because they're a threat to the mugs? is it because the against the, they, the guy's name addresses it because they've pro nazi but it's keeps coming. and so, so i think that's, that's how you deal with the, the opposition to just the cues of, of being against them obviously. but on the go back to breaking the kiss, some of those without that not door to be a bit of a hard break. and after that hard break,

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welcome back to cross i bullhorn, i'm peter labelle. here we're discussing some really great george with you. you were finishing up your answering the 1st part of the program, about descent and the tools of the state. the bill. yes, everyone. you have to just, i'm a little with that question before the end of the be prime minister. not only can we not expect any change when it comes to a foreign policy, it's the u. k. above is quite likely that it will mean the uh, the fact the reemergence of tony blair and tony blair is yes. okay. absolutely. front and center with the, with global is, uh, with the a, obviously the he, you, the leaders and you know, easily uh, begins, eventually as the backs along somebody is still here. do i think it's more like it'll be reliving the glory days of the late ninety's in the early as of as a century? it um so it is,

is this goes into eventually us mens mentality. so we'll continue. now the question is, what, how, how does the public respond to that? and now we're, so we've seen in the u. k, this evening, frances, in the united states, there is real, real protest. and what's different about these protest um, as opposed to the uh, fraudulent bogus pro test of 2020, the summer of george floyd. it is that these protests are about something there they are. there are there against them. is it mentioned on, on behalf of israel, they're a, gave us as an unconditional support for, for risk atrocities and demanding that the, the institutions this, those themselves divest from israel. that's something specific. but that's not something a, on the gains institutionalized, wide racism. you know, i, i'm,

i'm against the police, you know, which is just nonsense, a complete just it would be pointless. self indulgence. so if you've got a, i'm a move, but that is about something. well, that's going to be quite interesting because then that's gonna move blood pressure on the, on governments and may lead to some sort shape. it's interesting to me with the martin, if you look at the, the student protests across the western world. i mean, like i, you know, obviously if the issue of a, israel's genocidal acts against the palestinians and gods is in play. but i think, you know, in a broader sense, and it's something that we've talked many times on this part of them about is this is turning into just an anti establishment movement. because particularly when you, the young people of their, their avenues to move forward are very, very limited. and then you start taking, take talk away from them and things like that. and you know that in there's the american context of the 1st amendment. but i think if we look at the, the, the student movements all across the world,

it is anti establishment and it's got legs because george is right. this is about some the go ahead ma'am. yeah, i mean, students, by definition you the young have angry enough, forming personalities themselves with developing and they tend to look for causes. and, you know, whether you have, you know, you'll meet people in y'all's too, is big enough for adults or whether you know, you're fighting for well peace. i think the power, those are interesting to what happened 60 years ago. if we look at barclay and columbia, how the student purchase actually made an impact, they were identified today by the 2nd when x was as really where you began with the same end of the wedge of resistance. i'm questioning and i'm actually holding this 1000 into account actually did find the results in america putting out of the of them typically competitive day not. we will do it slight different situation in the, in those days. in the sixty's, you're going to federal press. you had a really independent, strong group of general se there who felt it was that do it seem to be just

stablish minutes reports on the pentagon papers and i know, and i'm such for these days, i think the students took up more pressure on them. the biggest boy on them to make a difference because they know the what's getting reported by it, by, by the legacy it media is not the truth and you know, so i think there's a real danger there. so the leads that these, these movements could really mushroom, into something, you know, be like, could be the only location the only place you go to, to get any kind of a sub coming tray about what's going on in israel. them in america's roles. you know, it could be the last bastion, basically a free space. so we have washed his face very closely, i think between now and, and the new term starts and, you know, it could be very interesting to see how big stays purchase mover's. well, yeah, because we do see the establishment george fighting back. this ridiculous bill that's going through congress now is already been passed by the house. going to the senate, really just, i mean, i, and i mean we've, we, you know,

the member of the patriot act, we are all saw. this is either a couch or the 1st amendment and 4th amendment. you know, i mean, this is all, this is on steroids. right now, i mean, you and i have talked about this a guy like me, it's absurd. what is in that bill? it's absolutely absurd. and this is something that will be if it's there, it's directed it educational institutions. but when you put something on the books like this, it gets very elastic and just going back to the 1st part of the program, the, the, the, the powers that be have an enormous array of tools, okay? it can take you out of the banking system like they did to the canadian truckers, i mean, oh yes, there is a difference between that, you know, in the sixty's you know, they will be a men wanted to avoid the drive. they didn't want to go to vietnam, that's the dropped is not the issue right now, but i would say the threats against the dissent are far greater now than an ever was the 1960 stuart. right. i agree completely, and that's why the force that you move and to succeed, you would need really to mobilize um, as,

as many of the opponents of the powers that be of the stablish worth as you can. but what is much really within the last couple of weeks is that the populace, right? which i think could easily make common cause with the, with the students with the protest, those because they themselves have been subjected to attack the populace. right? we were opposed to the war and your brain for a post of comes at a post of the deep stage of a post through the crack downs on free speech. could easily make common cause with, with that because even if they can, they don't necessarily agree with that view in the middle east, they'll say, well yeah, but you know, there are against basically intervention is i'm getting into stupid was and so on. but instead, they are now align themselves with the uh, the political establishment with the forces of the paintings again with us. right. and then you know, as a drunk, who, you know, who good diesel

a have just said. yeah. because, you know, i, i, why sympathy is with them. is that so? yeah, yeah, let's stop cracking here. so let's, let's go with the police. you know, why, why is a, these university presidents not cold in the police earlier? and that means that it is essentially they, they walked into a trap where you can just simply pick people up, you're just call them fascist the one day. it's trump, it is a boat as or fascist. and then the next day, the protest as of the universe, the campus passes. so every day your audio fight days, the fascist. and i think that's how you got to pick off the opposition. so think it was a great opportunity was miss in kind of in full full make some kind of an alliance . yeah. but martin they the, it's, it's really quite pathetic to watch because you see there's a unbridled use of force against primarily civilians and gaza. and then, and then the plethora videos of young people being attacked by the police, particularly that, that situation that and you see a late,

which apparently look like vigilantes allowed onto the campus here. i mean, there's one thing they have, you know, we could look at protests and we can look at for the various but the powers that be, have their unrestrained and using violence, they're the ones using violence and it's going to continue. unfortunately, you know, i mean the oil way. i carmen with the university in america. you might remind me in the sixty's where police actually have from 5 with the live rounds. hey i'm, it's almost exactly what are the animal around university, i think, i mean, yeah, exactly. it is 54 years ago. yeah. so we're looking at this whole cycle now. is that going to be the thing, you know? i mean, i think what you mentioned earlier about the crack down free speech and how these countries develop into basically freshest regimes where you know that, like china or like any of these countries that we look down on the last that is, you know, we've become like that now and so free speech is going to be the real thing which is going to be around me just completely. i'm wondering whether, you know what the student protests are going to be. the perfect, the almost

a gift wrapped. i guess the thing that the, the needs will shine a spotlight on a plane for everything. they'll be the escape goes, you know, and i think i can mix, i'm expecting, or date of other fake news of the full flag attacks. you know, it is quite easy, the stage demonstrations you are if you want to mumps, feel if you have the most as you navigate and use and whether they be writing methods or whatever. i can see what is in the future. and i think the, i'm wondering with the student process, what will be that there will be the though that what they've been waiting for, you know, really something they can use, manufacture more fake news. and of course, the great destruction statements for the, you know, in this age of cancelling, that means. so would georgia of a, particularly in the case of the united states american youth will be canceled. and that'll be the diction for it. okay. i mean, these, you know, you, we criticize these a leads through the, till the cows come home. but you, you never can do that,

that they don't think big george. exactly. and when you look at these, uh, universities, they're in the business of raising money. and for them, do you think they've got math is, is, you know, who's got the big box and they look at the students and they don't know, big bucks. so that's the area that the exact event that so you know, if it's bound to you know, what do i keep? blackman half a holy the, but the politicians on capital hill have it or do i keep the students up? it is no contest. the goal in the, the cost interesting, but what you said be the, the u. c l a because that was the vigilance is it was a very well stage location. and as a new york times reveal the other day that one of the finance is all of this vigilante group of the us. c l. a. was jerry seinfeld, wife. um. so do you guys get the celebrity active as of now, the owner's, the whole, the side of the tracking down those students because they knew exactly what they

were doing. they were going to cause violence, which then trigger is a police response. so now you have this lady, so this deliberate is themselves, you know, somebody discovering the jewishness these opposite and multi 1000000000 as well. you know, they've done made do these stupid jokes of stupid said comes over the years. oh that list. so jewish, they, they, they have to do what they can for israel, so they know no, definitely there my answer, correct. i know the one with their identity is, but they're very, very rich and really rich and get what they want. martin, it's a we have to point out to our viewers that, that southern california is a little crude, occupied territory. a lot of people don't know that, but they, they, they, they, it's very strong that they look good at influencer last 20 seconds. go to you, martin, go ahead. yeah, i say on the student process thing on the other thing that i found are interesting is that how and number of universe to campus is now have struck deals with the students who no one has agreed that the american un 2nd said didn't you? and the bus of the doesn't speak the conference that she was supposed to speak

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