[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i am peter lavelle, the mass of 8 bill for ukraine passed by the us congress ensures the conflict will continue. countless lives will continue the loss. but will this aid all through the events being played out on the ground? there is no reason to believe so the cross nothing ukraine. i'm joined by my guest. i'm the one go in north florida. he is publisher of gold, goats and guns, a blog, and newsletter in miami. we have and you long she is a journalist and co host of the final countdown on scrutiny. international and, and prichard, we crossed to derek evans. he is a candidate for congress as well as vitamins political prisoner, alright, prospect roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always

appreciated derrick since you're running for the us congress, i would like your reaction to the flurry of ukrainian flags being waived in the house of representatives after that massive bill was passed. i. i was wondering if that was just a i trying to fool me, your thoughts? well, i wish it was a i just trying to pull, you know, no flags to be waived inside of the us house chambers of the people's house. so it's not that it was the ukrainian flag necessarily. it said there was any 4 in flag that none of them should be waived inside the people's house inside of the american. okay, well, but the press book a very differently that this was, i think there was a congressman said, ukraine's border. is our border garrick, would you like to continue with that is, is that an american border as well? if it was the american border that they wouldn't care about securing it because they don't care about securing your own board or they're leaving a wide open right now for people just invade our country. so i wish that they put that much effort into securing the american border as we're currently being invaded

by the millions right now, every single month of the southern border and as well as the northern border of our own country. so they're a bunch of hypocrites, they say whatever they want in order to load their own pocket. so we know that there's money laundering going on from this money. it's going to ukraine, supposedly, and then coming back to these corrupt politicians inside america. yeah. well, they're, they're paid in bought, that's for sure. you know, tom, immediately after the bill was past, the president biden had a conversation with his counterparts and ukraine's zalinski. and zelinski me in that it was the read out ukraine can win this war. what is he smoking or he does? he have another preference. go ahead tom. um, he is clear that they are running a they, they're using ukraine to the last ukranian. right. they're gonna fight this word of last year training. and then once we get to that, that state, that's when they, those gonna come in. it's kind of similar to, you know, how they fought, bid of the german civil as merely the last bread during the seeds of london and

world war 2. if this is a very similar strategy and they just feel that the longer they, they draw this out and then get this point to get it to a point of desperation on the part of the frame. that's when they can justify everything else. so what we should expect maxed if this is the, the same script is some kind of false flag or american composite operation. i guess america in order to justify why we need to go in and fight the evil poodle or who is not hitler and he's not stupid. and because he is not stupid, he's not fighting the war the way they want him to fight it. and it's in fremont, we're few, he refuses to take their private cases. he continues to just rind out small victory after small victory after small victory. and the don bass is mastery and car comp and getting ready to, to, to, to moves there. and possibly so me and i find that fascinating because ultimately he's just going to continue to grind out, grind out nato, knowing full well that he can bite them on their terms until they finally commit.

and then he can raise the pain threshold. not just the kind of politically at the patrician wise, but now really up the anti financially militarily and then clearly politically after that. so i think that's just right it, yeah, andrea, but i, it wasn't the conflict started, i asked my dest repeatedly, who's got the time, and who's got the clocks? and always the answer is, russia has a both. and you, i have a bit of a different take on this here with the $61000000000.00 and it's all about the election cycle. unfortunately, it's not about lives because americans aren't losing their lives in ukraine. so ukrainians are you. um, you can, you can, you don't have to spare their lives there that you can, they don't mean anything to american voters, particularly not to be a members of congress. but i think there's one way you can look at this is one big wet kiss. one last crunch before the elections and then it's like, well, we did what we did. i, nato is a spent for us. it's not going to up the ante,

at least militarily in ukraine. this is the last shot. angie, absolutely like this. the property you create in congress has dwindled over the months. in fact, the house freedom caucus didn't want to hear about it. it was really strange one. the house speaker of mike johnson did a 180 when he was just a congressman. he voted no for any additional aid to ukraine and also when he becomes house speaker, he's got to push the money through. we got to get that and, and you know, why? because we have to fund the military complex, right? we have to find them so that they can fund congress and they can pad their super packs because had their congressional funds, etc. and that's why all the democrats were waving their little, you know, blue and yellow flags in on the floor of congress. i couldn't believe that. i mean, why, where an american flag on my lapel people look at me funny. now that is the big difference that we are facing today. now no one can talk about it now you the large retail degree who was basically told just do it, don't talk about it will fund your,

you will fund you or whatever deal they made. but that's what happens. everyone got a little bit of grease on their hands. they've got a little bit of cash going into their campaigns. so they're happy. do we care about what happens in ukraine and russo war? i'm not so sure that support is still there amongst the americans. well, it's where they're certainly not their public opinion. polls say very clearly, it's not derrick and it's, it's very interesting. the new york times says the democracy dies in the dark while i'd say democracy dies in congress. okay. i mean they, they, the republican base is adamant that they know you, that want money and an anti it brings up the question that maybe we'll have an answer to what the hell happened to mike johnson. go ahead. oh, 1st of all, democracy, when you hear that term in america, you might as well just struck that out and say communism because that's what they're really meeting at the end of the day. we are a constitutional republic and they keep using that word democracy when they really just been communism. speaker johnson has really just been um, a complete uh sorry,

a failure. he should have been vacated a long time ago. i wonder what kind of chaos that would it would have caused it really speaks volumes to the old saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely. because to our point he is done on $0.18 is time as a congress meant to be coming. speaker, i wonder who has been in his ear. i wonder what kind of promises he's been given. it's very unfortunate right now because while congress continues to grease their pockets to line their pockets with all this money that's going to the military industrial complex, it's the, it's the average people all across the world. not just in america. it's the average people who are losing right now. we have our own people who are struggling here in america. we're sitting billions of dollars. other countries, actually we're borrowing money from china to send to other countries because we're $34.00 trillion dollars in depth. and then at the same time, you have every day, average citizens in ukraine and russia who are dying in a war right now that quite frankly, these people in congress don't care anything about. yeah. and tell them that it just came out today that um uh, the, the,

the russian defense ministry is estimates that the cravings of lost a half a 1000000 men in this conflict that i assume that that is debts and, and severe injuries here. um and so the plan is to get the next $500000.00. i mean is really amazing because it, with the aim to damage rush or they're destroying an entire demographic and ukraine . what will you crane have to rebuild after all of this? go ahead tom. well, well, well clearly, i mean, i don't want to go, you know, too far afield into the, the population of gender or anything along those lines. but, you know, the paper cameron and all the british and big jeremy hot and all the for additional uh, uh, you know, highlights big lights also at the same thing, isn't this great. you guys are spending, you americans are spending all this money and not one american live is being killed here. this is great. your dispute is wasting, basically saw the cause in like it's, it's disgusting just how much they hate everybody who's not them like the mask has

come off so completely about this agenda and i find it just, you know, to pay for it. right? but what's interesting, looking at what's going on in congress, is just the type of go back to a couple of points of derek. and then as you made i it looks to me like this. the situation for ukraine is even worse than we thought it was because it's very possible because i've seen some reports of this that we've already stripped patriot missile systems from nato allies in places like greece and spain and other in other areas and sent them to ukraine and they've already been blown up, and that the 6th that a lot of this money that was your mark through this bill was literally to put those replace those systems in places where they're already supposed to be. in fact, almost none of this money is going to go to ukraine at all, and it's not going to change well, well, well, but, but that's, but that's and, and when john's and the just the, just the, like, gross and the, this, the change, the narrative, a little bit for people to think about this one day. cuz right now mike johnson is

the most hated man in america. the 2nd only 2nd. so the 3rd on said he deserves that it was us. and so he goes so goal here because but, but it remembered the dark night folks, you know, you're either die here or you live just long enough to see yourself become the villain. they make people in the village by putting them in impossible situation. oh, i have no, i don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, i'm not good. i, i don't agree with that that he did this willingly what the payoff is. that's what i want to know. that's what you're, that's really one of the head a go ahead and jump in. but he's down to one house majority. he, there's only one other g o p is barely hanging on. he needs that brand the crowd support in order to get any bills pass. otherwise than you're a do nothing, congress, which is what a line that they're going to use over and over again. so you do something better to be, do nothing congress than to be a poodle of, of joe biden. of all people. yes, less than idle is a rock and a hard place. and, you know,

one thing to add about the $61000000000.00 that goes are ukraine, which again, goes to american manufacturers. is that the delivery of a lot of these military weapons is that you're going to be produced until 2029. you guys, this is not for the current, or is that you should look at again, the nonsense that we hurts there immediately within a week. and now this is not so hot through whatsoever. derek is really one of the interesting things. i don't remember the exact number, it's between $8.00 and $10000000000.00 will be going to pay for salaries and health care and everything else. given the history of corrupted a new crate and i witnessed it myself many, many times before. 2014, before 2022 is that that money is just going to literally disappear into pockets and you know what, they the, they the, the people in power in washington and brussels. they know that's going to happen. it's a huge, broad, 40 seconds before we go to the right. go ahead there the. yeah. first i want to make sure everyone is aware of that. not to judge american citizens based on our, our government. absolutely,

absolutely not. we do not feel this way of talking about if it's not a popular thing here in our country or minds, the citizenry. so i want to make that very weird, really. uh, yeah. so, so uh, the thing is in west virginia, specifically where i live in a lot of other parts of this country. we have our own issues right now. there's an e m s. crosses in southern west virginia where people are literally dying, waiting on an ambulance. it's not going to show up because they don't have the funding to pay for that, but yet we're sending money to other countries specifically. so the money that was was sent to ukraine was to pay the salaries, pensions, and insurance for 1st responders and ukraine. so are we're, we're literally paying for those services in your credit, right? yeah, and i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on you're going to stay with the the

russian states. never as one of the most sense community best, most all sense and the same assistance must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will bend in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the russians cruising and split the r t spoke neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services for the question, did you see stephen twist, which is the, the,

the, i'm not sure come on this as they will show a good this things for me is getting that we see me is the non smoker in your mind restored enough to monday. so stuff with a just didn't show erica, by a demo print that is showing here still, or do i have to wake up along with one and that's not i was and if it's up of course the trailer span that we keep on that side. right. mm. hm, yeah for. 2 much that's what i want to move over here, but it is a notion particularly like cut them around quite inflated and mobile is crazy. it's nice not crazy. this is an absolute proof of an issue with the really good news that the so the 3 of us and you go you

the wrong, i'm not very good. feel interest worship worse and you're going you. why am i still thought ship with us? which is really nice piece, there's still can use sort of the welcome back across. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter live else remind you were discussing ukraine, the physical back the time in north florida. you know, part of this was a part of the debate over the funding. well, there was no debate whatsoever. there was, it wasn't allowed as an of a public debate, even within congress itself. and if there had been a debate,

maybe we would've understood what the strategy is. what does winning mean? because essentially what it's gotten down to is it just don't lose right now. right now, don't lose. that's the thing. it says would love it. tom, you know, i agree with that tier and i also agree that you know, we got back to what's happened in congress like i just stood. i mean, it's your, you're all right about how johnson has been a failure as a speaker and all the rest of it. but i want to remind everybody that why did a hold off this bill for 4 months. and then all of a sudden the last moment to a weighty, and he wasn't the only one on the d o p side of the ticket. there were at least i think, 27 other congressmen who get what their vote at the last moment. now we can say it's middle on bullets, hit their desktop, you know, whatever the threats were behind the scenes. i can. i can believe that and i can also believe that there were something else, possibly sincere, nothing is ever as simple as it looks on paper. you know,

when we say it in the papers in washington dc, so i'm not, i'm not absolving johnson here. i'm saying is, keep an open mind that there may be multiple reasons why this had to happen now. and at the very least, we'll see what we'll see. well, well, one sense of my tom seizure, russian foreign exchange assets, when i am about the 61000000000 to you, right? we, we, we know tom that he was given a, a c, i a briefing, right? before right, he flipped his, uh, his position here. now i can just imagine the threat porn that they showed him. i mean, these are the same people, you know, they don't know who blow up the nord stream. they can. these are the same people that arrested 80 year old women with walkers, with within 10 miles of the d. c. on january 6th. i mean they, they know a lot of things. okay. and they, and, and they do a lot of colbert things here. and doing it seems to me that, you know, he just, they, he's just out of his weight. they intimidated him in a breath. inflation is what they,

that's their currency. yeah. and don't go to those winter retreats. i there are, those are in so you retreats. yeah. like, don't, don't take a free ride. we know there, those hotel rooms are, but they sign every which way to entrap, especially the freshman congress, members, and it happens every time. and everywhere. oliver washington, he should have known better. it was a rookie mistake, whatever he saw in the, in the shift. it doesn't matter, he's still should of like stood ground and work for his congress, but he did. and now he's down to one member. and he has to go to democrats and the by the white house for support just to remain speaker of the house. now is that going to be pretty until november? no it's, it's just going to be a disaster. but meanwhile, the map is not there for the g o p conference. that's the sad part. and it's the best thing to do right now. maybe nothing because, you know, if you need democrats and pork or anything, well do you want that?

because that, well, you know, and a nightmare very, but technically, technically the g o. p does have the numbers, they do have the majority. the problem of the problem is with the g o. p is, they're not like democrats, democrats, or like bolsheviks. they will always vote in unison. that's the republican party is greatest weakness here, derek f. how does the trump play into all of this here? i mean, the photo op in mara, largo, you know, i back gum. speaker johnson's positions, i mean, this turned into a complete fiasco trunk full of all the politicians and i'm not, i'm not boosting for him here. but you know, he said, i will solve this when i'm president. he had the best line because it leaves everybody questioning. but now he seemingly as a backing johnson, i, it seems to me, he's given away a lot. you know, he has no leverage. he's given away a lot for nothing. go ahead, derek. why didn't see where he necessarily supported johnson on the train thing out

of all he did in morrow largo he did. he gave him a pat on the back. i know that that was for something else that already have that scheduled leading up to that. but also right now the biggest issue is we have a unit party in this country. we don't have necessarily republicans and democrats of it. we have a unit party and there's a civil war that's literally taking place within the republican party. right now you have the america 1st freedom caucus, trump republicans who were attempting to take over the party from the global war. mongering, neo cons. and uh, the freedom caucus america 1st members are starting all across the country. this isn't just in congress. i mean this is that your level city and county g o, p 's as well. uh, the american 1st patriots are winning that battle and you're starting to see that that's why a lot of these things are being revealed right now. on the national level is every day americans are taking over the republican party from within. and so that's leading them to fall it, you know, to just kind of chasing them into the arms of the unit party. and that's what we're seeing right now in the national stages. it's the unit party that are doing this. that's why the republicans in the den, the,

that the trip to traditional republicans, the mitt romney republicans and the democrats are walking in unison. they are one of the same to you know, that they're the exact same people, the exact same party. yeah, but, but tom, uh, i don't want to get into inside baseball too much, but that works for the left but doesn't work for the right. okay. i mean it's, it's the most pathetic thing you can imagine is that a republican speaker, he has to rely, rely on the opposition to keep them in power. i mean, it's absurd opposition. it's not all the nominally speaking party. why i, i get your point there. i got you, i got your point, i've use that term. are you in a party, a lot on this program, but tom, you get my point. as they know, i absolutely get your point, peter. and this is the, the thing is that it was the same problem. that i've had my heart the face, and he was the same for me. it was the same criticism who use the democrats to get stuff past, and that's what caused the motion to bake it. so,

but here's the thing with johnson. since the moment that kevin mccarthy, speaker, a flight, the gap we had pressure placed on squishy republicans to get rid of them into a road. the majority, to be honest with you, if you really parse the headlines clearly here in the united states, from the moment it was decided that there were going to be a 4 seat majority in the house. they started working to get rid of that. so that 4 feet majority are forcing resignations and everything else. so but johnson down dancers point is perfect. that johnson's down to a one seat majority. he was tr, i think he was trying to run out the clock. and then they got to it and they're like, no, no, no, we have to run out. you can't, we, you can't go to the, to the, to the break. when everybody goes home in august to go campaign, because conversion, the congress that has done it all at the congress. so we have to do is get through the next 3 or 4 months. and this one can. so the, the question now is, is peter said about the, the, the war and the, the time is on rush decided the war. well, it was, it was on it, it's, it's not a,

on their side to get everything passed through the u. s. congress. they need to get done because they need to get passed between now and november because they've already conceded effectively the terms going to get the man the cause of that they're trying to do their relief while i resign mantle. i tried to run the table. i say that is what i say. i think it's already been mentioned, the program, the everybody got paid to the and everybody's happy about it and she, i never would have thought we'd missed george santos. this updates on this. i feel like me right now. one or 2 there. oh, good. please. trying to get onto my camp is that columbia university to walk jewish students into their classrooms right now. classes out at columbia a week before finals by the way, and as well see this, this is summer of love. 2 point oh you have it for them in algebra and i never really got it without. i never really got it straight. is he jewish or is a jew it's it's a jewish. uh oh, how do you say anything you want him to be?

he's val, columbia students, if you take it, he was a varsity volleyball, apparently when he was in college as well. he thinks he, it was bar. so. okay. but the reason why i brought this up angie is because he says, the character of all of congress, in my opinion, is a fraud. and congress is a fraud. it's a unit party fraud. has really or difficult about running for a fraudulent the of you guys. conglomerate, all the he just got caught. okay. he just got caught. derick is we go into the election cycle now? i mean, this betrayal, i mean, particularly be the g o p base. okay. i mean, you can say a lot of things about donald trump and i've said good and bad on this program, but he didn't get us into a war and i credit him a lot for that bite and has more awards. now that we can count isn't hasn't what the dean p o p u a b is a betrayal of his candidacy. it was the 1st of all want to say that the everything

that the left wing media in america said donald trump was going to do is what barton is currently doing. i mean, that's literally what, what the, what he's doing rather getting us in all these wars of all this, this chaos and as far as your stands as i wanted to quickly say, i do, mrs. conservative votes, who is a conservative vote in congress, and you would not have it. he would not have voted for these things. you can say whatever else you want to about him, he would auto voted for these things and the integrity didn't break any laws while he was in congress that we know of. okay. i think they, the voters should have decided his fate. okay. that's what democracy is. yeah, throw the bottom out. if you don't like him. ok. again. there's many times i've absolutely right. is machinations to whittle down the majority. keep going, garrick. sorry, to interrupt. no, no you're, you're absolutely correct. uh, it should have been a decision by the people in theory, even those republicans who go to the house to him really voted to overturn an election. yeah, just follow cool at the end of the day when you really think about everything that the republican party standing for right now in terms of election integrity,

they turn around and voted to strip the voice away of the whatever. half a 1700000 people who he represented in his congressional district. and it's, it's sad that happened congress's for, as roger, but that's what we need every day. americans every day, people to step up and start running for office all across this country. we're yeah, we have too many politicians and politics. i think we're getting to a point right now in america where everything americans are feeling the effects of this. they're frustrated and they're throwing their hands up and they're starting to get involved in politics. and i hope that we can um get it can really get somebody simple act of everything and city council all the way up through congress . that's what we're gonna have to do. we want to make some changes in this country tom, the last question, one minute left. is ukraine on the ballot this year? and i, i don't know, i have, i don't have a, i'll be, i don't have the answer to my own question. go ahead. no, it does funny. oh i you, you asked me that question and i'm like, there's so much time between now and then there's so many things that can happen between now and then. i just, i like kind of, i'm,

i don't know that we may get to november after break that. well, you know, you know, but yeah, if we play far, we started our recording, we're talking about a different idea and we're going to end this program with a completely other other idea. i've heard many people that i actually bought a trust and believe that tended out there will be an election that i don't know, but that is in the air. who no go ahead. 20 seconds time. go ahead. yeah, no i, i, if it is, it will be an election like we had in 2020 a, b i a fraudulent one, and then that will cause we're being set up for this. i think the united states is being set up for a break up, and i think it has. well, i don't, and i'll tell you, i think it's very not as well by an angel purpose. i will give you a prediction if they've taught trumpet is elected. he will be in peach before he's inaugurated. that's all. and on that note here, i want to thank my guess the north of florida, miami and prichard and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our d. c. a next time. remember,

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