the, the the hello and welcome to cross dock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. the mass of aide bill for ukraine passed by the us congress ensures the conflict will continue. countless lives will continue the loss. but will this aid all through the events being played out on the ground? there is no reason to believe so the crossing ukraine. i'm joined by my guest. i'm the one go in north florida. he is

publisher of gold goats in guns, a blog, and newsletter in miami. we have andrea wong. she is a journalist and co host of the final countdown on scrutiny. international and, and prichard, we crossed through derek evans. he is a candidate for congress as well as vitamins political prisoner, alright, prospect roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated derrick since you're running for the us congress, i would like your reaction to the flurry of ukrainian flags being waived in the house of representatives after that massive bill was passed. i, i, i was wondering if it was just a, i trying to fool me, your thoughts, it was, it was a, i just found a full, you know, no flags to be waived inside of the us house chambers of the people's house. so it's not that it was the ukrainian flag necessarily. it said there was any 4 in flag that none of them should be waived inside the people's house inside of american. okay, well, but the press book it very differently. this was, i think that was a congressman said, ukraine's border is our border. derek,

would you like to continue with that is, is that an american border as well? if it was the american border that they wouldn't care about securing it because they don't care about security, their own border, they're leaving a wide open right now for people just invade our country. so i wish that they put that much effort into securing the american border as we're currently being invaded by the millions right now, every single month on the southern border and as well as the northern border of our own country. so they're a bunch of hypocrites, they say whatever they want in order to launch their own pocket. so we know that there's money laundering going on from this money. it's going to ukraine, supposedly, and then coming back to these corrupt politicians inside america. yeah. well, they're, they're paid in bought, that's for sure. you know, tom, immediately after the bill was past, the president biden had a conversation with his counterparts and ukraine's zalinski. and zelinski me in that it was the read out ukraine can win this war. what is he smoking or he does? he have another preference. go ahead tom. um, he is clear that they are running

a they, they're using the cranes of alas, ukrainian, right? they're gonna fight this word. it'll ask you for any. and then once we get to that, that state, that's when they, those gonna come in. it's kind of similar to, you know, how they fought, bid of the germans to the last, nearly the last bread during the seasons, london and world war 2. if this is a very similar strategy and they just feel that the longer they, they draw this out and then get this point to get it to a point of desperation on the part of the frame. that's when they can justify everything else. so what we should expect maxed if this is the, the same script is some kind of false flag or american composite operation against america in order to justify why we need to go in and fight the evil poodle or who is not hitler. and he's not stupid and because he's not stupid, he's not fighting the war the way they want him to fight it. that's in fremont or few. he refuses to take their private cases. he continues to just rind out. small

victory after small victory after small victory in the dawn bass is mastery and car, cough and getting ready to, to, to, to, to moves there. and possibly so me. and i find that fascinating, because ultimately he's just going to continue to find out growing down nato knowing full well, but he can bite them on their terms until they finally commit. and then he can raise the pain threshold. not just kind of politically at the attrition wise, but now really up the anti financially militarily and then clearly politically after that. so i think that's just right it. yeah, andrea by it. and when the conflict started, i asked my guest repeatedly who's got the time and who's got the clocks. and always the answer is russia has a both. and you, i have a bit of a different take on this here with the $61000000000.00. and it's all about the election cycle. unfortunately, it's not about lives because americans aren't losing their lives in ukraine. so ukrainians are, uh, yeah, you can, you can, you don't have to spare their lives there. you can,

they don't mean anything to american voters, particularly not to be a members of congress. but i think there's one way you can look at this is one big wet kiss, one last crunch before the elections, and then decide, well, we did what we did. i nato is a spend for us. it's not going to up the ante, at least militarily in ukraine. this is the last shot, angie, absolutely like this. the property ukraine. congress has dwindled over the months. in fact, the house freedom caucus didn't want to hear about it. it was really strange one. the house speaker of mike johnson did a 180 when he was just the congressman. he voted no for any additional aid to ukraine and also when he becomes house speaker, he's got to push the money through. we got to get that in and you know why? because we have to fund the military complex, right? we have to find them so that they can fund congress and they could pad their super packs because had their congressional funds, etc. and that's why all the democrats were waving their little, you know,

blue and yellow flags in on the fear of congress. i couldn't believe that. i mean like, where an american flag on my lapel people look at me funny. now that is the big difference that we are facing today. now, no one can talk about it now. you the large retail, the green who was basically told just do it, don't talk about it will fund your, you will fund you or whatever deal they made. but that's what happens. every one got a little bit of grease on their hands. they got a little bit of cash going into their campaigns. so they're happy. do we care about what happens in ukraine and russo war? i'm not so sure that support is still there amongst the americans. well, it's where they're certainly not their public opinion. polls say very clearly, it's not derrick and it's, it's very interesting. the new york times says the democracy dies in the dark. well, i'd say democracy dies in congress. okay. i mean they, they, the republican base is adamant that they not do not want money. and an anti, it brings up the question that maybe we'll have an answer to what the hell happened

to mike johnson. go ahead as well. well, 1st of all, democracy, when you hear that term in america, you might as well just struck that out and say communism because that's what they're really meeting at the end of the day. we're a constitutional republic and they keep using that word democracy when they really just made communism. speaker johnston has really just been um, a complete uh sorry, a failure. he should've been vacated a long time ago. i don't care what kind of chaos that would it would have caused. it really speaks volumes to the old saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely . because to our point, he is done on $0.18 is time as a congressman to be coming. speaker, i wonder who has been in his ear. i wonder what kind of promises he's been given. it's very unfortunate around now because while congress continues to grease their pockets to line their pockets with all this money that's going to the military industrial complex, it's the, it's the average people all across the world. not just in america. it's the average people who are losing right now. we have our own people who are struggling here in america. we're sitting billions of dollars. other countries, actually we're borrowing money from china to send to other countries because we're

$34.00 trillion dollars in debt. and then at the same time, you have every day, average citizens in ukraine and russia who are dying in a war right now that quite frankly, these people in congress don't care anything about. yeah, and tom, it, it just came out today that um uh, the, the, the russian defense ministry is estimates that the cravings of loss a half a 1000000 man in this conflict that i assume that that is the depths in and severe injuries here. um and so the plan is to get the next $500000.00. i mean is really amazing. um it with the aim to damage rush or they're destroying an entire demographic and ukraine. what will ukraine have to rebuild after a hold of this? go ahead. tom won't, but well clearly, i mean, i don't want to go, you know, too far afield into the population of gender or anything along those lines. but you know, the papers hammering and all the british and bit of jeremy hot and all the partition of, uh, uh, you know,

highlights the big lights also at the same thing isn't this great. you guys are spending, you americans are spending all this money and not one american live is being killed here. this is great. you're just, you're just wasting, basically solve a cause. and i, it's, it's disgusting. just how much they hate everybody who's not down like the mask has come off so completely about this agenda and i find it just, you know, to pay for it. right. but what's interesting, looking at what's going on, congress gets a type of go back to a couple of points of derek and the, as you may i it looks to me like this. the situation for ukraine is even worse than we thought it was because it's very possible because i've seen some reports of this that we've already stripped patriot missile systems from nato allies in places like greece and spain and other in other areas and sent them to ukraine and they've already been blown up, and that the 6th that a lot of this money that was your mark through this bill was literally to put those

replaced those systems in places where they're already supposed to be. in fact, almost none of this money is going to go to ukraine at all, and it's not going to change well, well, well, but, but that's, but that's and, and when john's and the dispute just stood like gross and the, this, the change, the narrative, a little bit for people to think about this one day, cuz right now mike johnson is the most hated man in america. the 2nd only 2nd. so the 3rd on said he deserves that it was us. and so he was so goal he's cause but, but it remembered the dark night folks, you know, you're either die here or you live just long enough to see yourself become the villain. they make people in the villains by putting them in impossible situation. oh, i have no, i don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, i'm not good. i, i don't agree with that that he did this willingly what the payoff is. that's what i want to know. that's what you're, that's really what about and a go ahead and jump in. but he's down to one house majority. he, there's only one of these. u. p is barely hanging on. he needs that brand of crowd

support in order to get any bills pass otherwise than you're a do nothing, congress, which is what a line that they're going to use over and over again. is that better to be as do nothing congress than to be a poodle? of, of joe biden, of all people. yes, it's less than i don't, it's a rock and a hard place. and, you know, one thing to add about the $61000000000.00 that goes are ukraine, which again, goes to american manufacturers. is that the delivery of a lot of these military weapons is going to be produced until 2029. you guys, this is not for the current, or is that you should look at it again, the nonsense that we hurts there immediately within a week and now this is not so hot through whatsoever. derek, it is really one of the interesting things. i don't remember the exact number, it's between $8.00 and $10000000000.00. they'll be going to pay for salaries and health care and everything else given the history of corruption and new credit and i witnessed it myself many, many times before. 2014, before 2022 is that that money is just going to literally disappear into pockets

and you know what, they the, they the, the people in power in washington and brussels. they know that's going to happen. it's a huge, broad, 40 seconds before we go to the break. go ahead there. so yeah, 1st i want to make sure everyone is aware of that. not to judge american citizens based on our, our government. absolutely, absolutely not. we do not feel this way of talking about if it's not a popular thing here in our country or minds, the citizenry. so i want to make that very clearly. uh, yeah. so, so uh, the thing is in west virginia, specifically where i live in a lot of other parts of this country. we have our own issues right now. there's an e m s. crosses in southern west virginia where people are literally dying, waiting on an ambulance. it's not going to show up because they don't have the funding to pay for that, but yet we're sending money to other countries. specifically, some of the money that was was sent to ukraine was the pay the salaries, pensions, and insurance for 1st responders in ukraine. so are we're, we're literally paying for those services in ukraine. derek, i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on you're going to stay with

the same rom, just don't you have to shape house to come and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the cut out the video, so it's not someone from 01 them. uh, give that to us again. we use them for the lots of up to just guess what kinds of them document then they shouldn't look at the results of those. this reasoning why the, the

most of the thing is a brand new news the and wants us to. so we took the bush and sports, not the welcome back across. ok, we're all things are considered. non peter roosevelt remind you were discussing ukraine,

the physical back the time in north florida. you know, part of this was a part of the debates over the funding. well, there was no debate whatsoever. that was, it wasn't allowed, there wasn't a public debate, even within congress itself. and if there had been a debate, maybe we would've understood what the strategy is. what does winning mean? because essentially what it's gotten down to is it just don't lose right now. right now don't lose. that's the cynicism of it. tom, you know, i agree with that tier and i also agree that we go, we got back to what's happened in congress like i just stood. i mean it's, you're, you're all right about how johnson has been a failure was a speaker and all the rest of it. but i want to remind everybody that why did the hold off this bill for 4 months. and then all of a sudden the last moment to wait and he wasn't the only one on the d o p side of

the ticket. there were at least i think, 27 other congressmen who that what their vote at the last moment. now we can say it's middle and bullets hit their desktop, you know, with whatever the threats were behind the scenes, i can, i can believe that and i can also believe that there were something else, possibly sincere, nothing is ever as simple as it looks on paper yeah, when we say it in the papers in washington dc, so i'm not, i'm not absolving johnson here. i'm saying is keep an open mind that there may be multiple reasons why this had to happen now. and at the very least, we'll see what we'll see. well, well one said, so by tom seizure, russian born to change assets with name about the 61000000000 to you, right? we, we, we know tom that, um then he was given a, a c i a briefing right before, right. he flipped his, uh, his position here. now i can just imagine the threat porn that they showed him. i mean, these are the same people, you know,

they don't know who blow up the north stream. they can, these are the same people that are arrested 80 year old women with walkers, with within 10 miles of dc on january 6th. i mean they, they know a lot of things. okay. and they, and, and they do a lot of colbert things here. and you, you, it seems to me that you know, he just, they, he's just out of his weight. they intimidated him in a breath. inflation is what they, that's their currency. yeah. and don't go to those winter retreats. i there are, those are in c retreats. yeah. like, don't, don't take a free ride. we know there, those hotel rooms are, but they find every which way to entrap, especially the freshman congress, members and, and it happens every time. and everywhere. oliver washington, he should have known better. it was a rookie mistake. whatever he saw in the, in the shift doesn't matter. he's still sort of like, did ground and work for his congress. but he did. and now he's down to one member.

and he has to go to democrats and the bite and white house for support just to remain speaker of the house. now, is that going to be pretty until november? no it's, it's just going to be a disaster. then. meanwhile, the map is not there for the g o p conference. that's the sad part. and the best thing to do right now, maybe nothing because, you know, if you need democrats support or anything, well do you want that? because that well, you know, and a nightmare very, but technically technically the g o. p does have the numbers, they do have the majority. the problem with the problem is with the g o. p is, they're not like democrats, democrats, or like bolsheviks. they will always vote in unison. that's the republican party's greatest weakness here, derek f. how does the trump play into all of this here? i mean, the photo op in mara, largo, you know, i back gum. speaker johnson's positions, i mean this turned into a complete fiasco trunk full of all the politicians and i'm not,

i'm not boosting for him here. but you know, he said i will solve this when i'm president. he had the best line because it leaves everybody questioning, but now he seemingly is backing johnson. i. it seems to me, he's given away a lot. you know, he has no leverage. he's given away a lot for nothing. go ahead, derek. why didn't see where he necessarily supported johnson on the ukraine thing out of all he did in morrow largo he did. he gave him a pat on the back. i know that that was for something else that already had that scheduled leading up to that. but also right now the biggest issue is we have a unit party in this country. we don't have necessarily, republicans and democrats of we have a unit party and there's a civil war that's literally taking place within the republican party. right now you have the america 1st freedom caucus of trump. republicans who were attempting to take over the party from the global war mongering, neo cons and uh, the freedom caucus america 1st members are starting all across the country. this isn't just in congress. i mean this is that your local city and county g o p 's as

well. uh, the american 1st patriots are winning that battle and you're starting to see that that's why a lot of these things are being revealed right now. and the national level is every day americans are taking over the republican party from within. and so that's leading them to fall at, you know, to just kind of chasing them into the arms of the, you know, party. and that's what we're seeing right now in the national stages. it's the unit party that are doing this. that's why the republicans and the 10 the, the, the trip to traditional republicans, the mitt romney republicans and the democrats are walking in unison. they are one of the same to you know, that they're the exact same people, the exact same party. yeah. but, but tom, uh, i don't want to get into inside baseball too much, but that works for the left but doesn't work for the right. okay. i mean, it's a, it's the most pathetic thing you can imagine is that a republican speaker, he has to real, really rely on the opposition to keep him in power. i mean, it's absurd opposition. it's not all the nominally speaking party while i i get

your point there. i got you. i got your point. i'd use that term. are you in a party, a lot on this program, but tom, you get my point. you know, i absolutely get your point. peter, and this is the, this thing is that it was the same problem that i've had them a hearty face, and he was the same for him, but it was the same criticism who use the democrats to get stuff past. and that's what caused the motion to vacate. so here's the thing with johnson. since the moment that kevin mccarthy, speaker, flight the gap, we have pressure placed on square. she republicans to get rid of them into a road. the majority is to be honest with you. if you really parse that headlines, clearly here in the united states, from the moment it was decided that there were going to be a 4 seat majority in the house. they started working to get rid of that. so that 4 seat majority are forcing resignations and everything else. so but johnson down dante's point is perfect. that johnson's down to a one seat majority. he was trying, i think he was trying to run out the clock. and then they got to it. and they're

like, no, no, we have to run out, you can't wait. and you can't go to the, to the, to the break when everybody goes home in august to go campaign, cuz conversion, the congress is done and all the congress and we have to do is get through the next 3 or 4 months. and this one can. so the, the question now is, is peter said about the, the, the war and the, the time is on rush. decide the war. well, it was, it was on it, it's, it's not a, on their side to get everything passed through the us congress. they need to get done because they need to get passed between now and november because they've already conceded effectively, the terms going to wit. and then the cause of that they're trying to do their relief while i resign manual and trying to run the table. i. so that is what i say . i think it's already been mentioned, the program that everybody got paid to the and everybody's happy about it and she i never would have thought we'd missed george santos rolling me right now. what is the weather there? oh, good. please trying to get onto my camp is that columbia university to walk jewish

students into their classrooms right now. classes out at columbia a week before finals by the way, and as well. see this, this is summer of love. 2 point oh, you have it for them. in algebra i, i never really got it without. i never really got it straight. is he jewish or is a jewish? it's a jewish. yeah. how do you say anything? you want me to be these val, columbia students. if you take it, it was a varsity volleyball, apparently when he was in college as well. you think he, it was bars. okay, but the reason why i brought this up angie is because he says, the character of all of congress in my opinion, is a fraud. congress has a fraud. it's a unit party fraud. dre or derek, real about running for a fraudulent the of you guys conglomerate out the he just got caught. okay. he just got caught. derick is we go into the election cycle now?

i mean, this betrayal, i mean, particularly of the, the g o p base. okay. i mean, you can say a lot of things about donald trump and i've said good and bad on this program, but he didn't get us into a war and i credit him a lot for that bite and has more awards. now that we can count isn't it hasn't what the dean p o p u a b a is a betrayal of his candidacy. it was the 1st of all, i want to say that the everything that the left wing media in america said donald trump was going to do is well bought and is currently doing that. i mean, that's literally what the, what the, what he's doing rather getting us in all these wars of all of this, this chaos. and as far as your stands as i wanted to quickly say, i do this as conservative votes you as a conservative vote in congress, and you would not have it. he would not and voted for these things. you can say whatever else you want to about it, you would not have voted for these things in the air. and derrick, you didn't break any laws while he was in congress that we know of. okay. i think that the voters should have decided his fate. okay. that's what democracy is. yeah

. throw the bottom out. if you don't like him. ok. again. there's many times i've absolutely right. these machinations to uh, whittle down the majority. keep going, garrett. sorry to interrupt. oh no, you're, you're absolutely correct. uh, it should have been a decision by the people in theory, even those republicans who go to the house to him really voted to overturn an election matches follicle at the end of the day when you really think about everything that the republican party standing for right now, in terms of election integrity, they turn around and voted to strip the voice away of the, whatever, half a 1700000 people who he representative in his congressional district. and it's, it's sad that happened congress's as fraudulent, but that's what we need every day. americans every day, people to step up and start running for office all across this country. we're, yeah, we have to me politicians and politics. i think we're getting to a point right now in america where everything americans are feeling the effects of this. they're frustrated and they're throwing their hands up and they're starting to get involved in politics and out that we can uh get it can really get somebody simple like that. everything and the city council all the way up through congress.

that's what we're gonna have to do. if we want to make some changes in this country, tom, the last question, one minute left is ukraine on the ballot this year. and i, i don't know, i have, i don't have a, i'll be, i don't have the answer to my own question, go ahead. no, it does funny. oh i you, you asked me that question and i'm like, there's so much time between now and then there's so many things that can happen between now and then. i just, i'd like cuz i'm i don't know that we make it to november at the rate that well, you know, you know, but yeah, if we wait for, we started our recording, we're talking about a different idea and we're going to end this program with a completely other other idea. i've heard many people that i actually bought a trust and believe it tended out there will be an election that i don't know, but that is in the air. who no go ahead. 22nd. stop. go ahead. yeah, no i, i, if it is, it'll be an election like we had in 2020. i mean i, i a fraudulent one, and then that will cause we're being set up for this. i think the united states is being set up for a break up, and i think it has. well, i don't, and i'll tell you,

i think it's very nice smell financial purpose. i will give you a prediction if they've taught trumpet is elected. he will be in peach before he's inaugurated. that's all. and on that note here, i want to thank my guess the north of florida, miami and prichard, and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember, prospect rules the the, [000:00:00;00]

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