somebody never change their minds about video. they think i was wrong. and that's it. the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn. time peter live out here, we discussed some real news speaker of the west house of representatives, a republican mike johnson, claims that russia china, and around are the next new axis of evil. well, here we go again to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my desk drawer to study while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle, which can be found on youtube, locals, and in marrow cash. we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that goes in effect. that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with georgia in budapest. the, of course, the funding for ukraine past is we, you,

all 3 of us expected all along. and, but before we get to that, george, what's going on with this axis of evil? i thought we had retired, that ridiculous concept after the failed comp, low interventions in the middle east. it's suddenly of come is come back by this peculiar guy named mike johnson. what do you make of it that it's well, a piece of the expression is a level of retired. um it, it is true, is it else a, has it been that maybe you vote for in the united states? you always have john mccain in power. it's a 1000 mileage on became a losing 2000. you got to george w bush and i think john mccain program same back obama defeats john mccain. john mccain's, so empower so now what we've got is this apparently magazine like which is what a dollar trunk goes in megabyte. so there's essentially presided over the most

massive transfer of funds, obviously for the us military industrial complex, but also to ukraine's all the gods. the mass of a transfer of funds to a israel, as he presided over a kind of a pop 3, a whole mind of, of, of the restrictions of civil liberties restrictions on freedom. so take talk that's selected there, ought to be banned in the 9 months time. um, supposedly, uh, there's got to be a seizure of russian solver and assets in the united states. so essentially it is a complete wish list. so everything that the deep, se, the military industrial complex, the democrats, what i, but the saw and the one thing that the republicans had one to which was border security. and i also want to see they didn't get it. so i don't of the else thing.

the previous ineffectual speaking look out they, they got a version of how much was because it, but actually a more competent version of it because it, because he actually pulled off what because he failed to pull up. this is a total um and go by uh, the republicans in election. yeah. it's extraordinary. martin. good. you know it's, george is absolutely right. no matter who you vote for you get john mccain. but john mccain's, vision of the world always ends in catastrophes waste of money. and that is a and diminishing of a reputation around the world. it's. it's like a information loop that just goes around and around and around. there's no learning here whatsoever martin. i think that there might be some of the am from, from a humble competitive let's go this. um, yeah, i think perhaps we're learning,

but some, what you described is really a catastrophic failure of, of us from policy you know, in, at all times and unprecedented. i would say, so i think there is something to learn that you know is that, is that we, we are learning it that they are not learning. and then we have, we have phone was informed, was over expensive and short term and long term. but i sympathized with the republicans, i'm enough because it takes, you'll just point to heart and it must feel for the republicans the best. how both houses now are basically a democratic majority. you know, here's what happened with this guy was absolutely extraordinary to 1st is through the last name. and what he paid off was the, all for the deal has the mind bubbles in to. but some from the democrats side, from the button count. it doesn't look like a losing strategy because they must be asking themselves, look, you know, in 6 months on how many more reports we have to deal with and russian advances, can we is, can we throw more in a, um, bundles of cash on the file,

just to keep this plan going for another 6 months, 9 months, you know, until the election to arrive. but because i think that's the way they must be looking at it. a lot of republicans on in the trunk comp must be thinking, well, that's really the last show that is the last book. you know, the last of that is going to be sent to this discount for the 2nd country. if, if 12 over the, that's the with the, or you have the sunk cost file, let's see. you know, we've already invested so much we can have to keep go, it's george. let me go to george george. i mean, i, i'm, i, i find it, i'm not thinking about it because a majority of the republican base is how to go or agree against these foreign aid packages, with the exception of israel. israel is always an exception, but george, in an election year it is extraordinary and, and it just shows there when, when you're in the grip. oh, based on kind of an 80 ology, then your own self interest on how to go by the way side of what happens

over the over the last 10 days was the total ex, although i guess so the emulation by the republicans, they lost the key issue that i would have had of going into november, which was these of vitamins was vitamins with the united states into several very, very dangerous conflicts. he doesn't know how to get out of them. and we, the republicans on the leadership of donald trump can bring these was to an end that was trumps, issue. and trump throw it away because tried endorsed what my johnson did and what my johnson date was. so good. and i by whose agenda so by me, will be back on the rose garden sometime late to the next week. and um that you will do the signing with the republicans will be behind them clamping him to a directory. but by now trump doesn't have an issue, i think trauma because now see the deal. he will lose the election in november

because he doesn't have an issue to run a business is if you're this was the issue, the guaranteed in victory in 2016. i am the base candidate. i'm the one who's got to keep us out of the stupid was i'm going to focus on the domestic issues. now he doesn't have that issue anymore because the moment he said, well, these are biden's was the media. you know, every single moment of the day will point out. yeah, but you endorsed, is it your policy? do they do that? he's not going to get out of it. i mean, that's what the media do. they going to keep doing it all the time. you did it, it's your policy though trying to wash your hands of it. and i think that's go to what they consume. because what i mean is, if you just gotta get biden's policy, you might've advised me to do it for you. just yeah, martin meeting. we had did the, mike johnson and the you're a guy not too long ago. he did one interview with glen greenwald, which george and i had discussed. and it was a big civil, libertarian. i mean, and, and very, very much,

very cautious about government intervention. when it comes to the banning or limiting speech here, but he went total, swamp, total swan creature and a center of rainfall. he. he has a theory that he knows though, how washington work city mike johnson was taken into this little room by some security operatives. and given the horror show of, if this is all at stake, and you're the 3rd most powerful person in the world, only you can make a difference certainly. and if the senator is right, then he took good hook, line and sinker words. yeah, i would just have to take the doses for it, but that was ever underestimate trump to utah. so that's what he's saying today. he's famous. you know, so i think there's always a possibility that if he kind of actually convinced the american public in the last few weeks running up to the election, the, the strategy new client has to fee to pull out and i'll spend another dollar. he

may not have the support he has now in terms of numbers, but i'm a little prove very popular, especially if the republicans get the right together. and then medium machine is organized and i can actually show the listen $170000000000.00 of your cash. instead of going to pull the tape, didn't go into that health coach cation both of us. and can you just americans went into funding this machine? when lucy, even with all that cash, we're still losing that might be a resonating note for a lot of americans particular. so i'm not really sure because george now is trump is kind of anointed mike johnson. ok. so he and he has real power, and actually he's taking that away from, from trump doesn't hold office. obviously, trump is a leader of the republican party. but if he's a knowing team of the establishment a party, it diminishes trump during this campaign and completely baffled by this george. exactly opposite because he has anointed jonathan johnson came to him in model. i

didn't have to see a drug. i said a bit busy or are you going to see them and just say, that's your problem. i, you know, i go to the elections around at the law suits to fight off. i, you know, you're gonna have to deal with it by a. so even the, ultimately, you'd have to say that, you know, there has to be a consistent policy of traumas going back to the time that he was present as supporting your brain. so it's, it's just the perception, it's actually the liberals who have put, made completely to create of the story out of full clocks. the trump is pro, grouped in trump, is pro russia, trump is on to ukraine. this was all made up. it was never any troves in it. he was the one who changed obama's policy and spot ascending lee. so military dates are you great? nice continue to boast about that. he said, well yeah, that was uh, that was just a moment trip a uh abberation on my father. he boast about his oh, i think that's made a difference in the statement that he issued on,

on to social. he says ukraine is important to us. so he didn't, you know, this is all made up 1st of all by the so the mag supporters like bannon and by m. s . nbc, the trump, really a to bring trump us to wash his hands off. it's no, i mean not, but you know, you look at the rank one of the man he believes in this, and he's therefore essentially thrown away what could have been potentially his best issue. what i think you threw away, martin, is to be the piece candidate. okay. and you can, we, can, we just kind of move away from a guys a way from ukraine i want, he could have had a much more coherent message of why don't we have little bit more diplomacy, why we throwing so much money around? it's not solving problems, it's perpetuating problems. the actually, i don't understand the political calculus here. instead of getting yourself into the nitty gritty, the minutia of these issues, say, look, we need a fundamental change in policy that resonated with the public in 2016. who knows

what happened in 2020 but it's still there and it's a, it's a lane, but he won't take it. it's something i'm really disturbed by martin. we want to take it now, but i wonder what does it show and it doesn't matter. now they did, the guy is cast, i think go ahead. yeah. but my just, i mean, you know who, who is this guy? you know, i mean, i think i think he will soon you know, disappear. i'm very quickly and they won't even remember who he is or what he said and in a very short space of time. and i don't see him as the particular person. but i agree with joe as the trump the problem now. um, but i think a lot just places more emphasis on these 2 candidates to run their actions based on personalities alone. if the, if the policy side stuff the way the way you know and is really, really it really isn't that much to flight about like some of the economy costs, which i don't think works in but, and say that i think the trip without sex on what the tool and you know, he think

a little associating with his friends and as a leads doing very well, burden and hold that thought i'd have to go to a hard break of after that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on some real new stake with our to the hi. i'm rick sanchez and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please do the have the state department to see i a weapons bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't watch my show state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way and think the the

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those usually to mode. we're suggesting we firm a cell great for a bill cause of what they was the welcome back to prospect bull horns on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some wellness squared. let me go back to you again. i mean, it, these, the series of bills that were passed about for an of um flooring funding aid. you know, we've been going to israel guys, i tie one my and, you know, banning of the tick tock here. it seems to me with, with the republicans joining in on that they lose their leverage on so many different things for, for example, of a funding the israel. well, that's already been passed in

a vital signs that what kind of leverage does he have? the money is going to keep going, i mean, you get you giving up so much leverage and power that the us has and it by bypassing these bills and signing these bills. well, israel's already been paid, they're not going to listen. me. yeah, well did they ever this a yeah, i think um, well, i mean, money money gets people's attention it. don't you think it's, it's it's, it's a, it's a summary of yes it does for a short period of time, but, but i think the lessons look and we will now to pretty to so i really for the last few days with this. so cold attack on the run by israel, which supposedly isn't going to have any representations we hope, but coming back to trump and by the new know, i'm just confused to 0. i mean, i just, i can't see now what the real issues will be. now when these to flash it or have to head, but i, i do think that some of the things i guess me about trump,

we should never forget that. so say, enjoying his campaign. he showed us that he really was very uncomfortable with a woman who was very uncomfortable us, preston. i shouldn't be having any, was around the world, you know, they, the little, the fact lives in america and is just a supreme leader of on forces or something. somebody like that you're, you're telling me picture, i'm sure line she managed, that totally selecting doesn't sit well with him. so, and that's the only hope that we can have is that he will still present himself to the american public as somebody is going to deal with these rules. i don't, i'm just also, and i think that's what we've already done with it. well, the, you know, your training now, you know what? well, to 61000000000 dollars by year. i mean it, it, i think it was just in time. definitely some time. but even with that money, we seen with a miscalculation with the corruption, with him competence. you know, with even that's issued out. so let's see. and there's only we seen still that

russia pushes forward versus still has gains to my, well, i mean, for me, it's a, it's really not that, that the all or so because they've got the, the, the, the campaign in, in ukraine is going in one direction. and we'll just continue going in that direction. okay. it's, it's not, it's not really the dollar amount for me, george, it's the fact that you do have a leverage. okay? so what, what, what has happened here is that instead of trump, the unifying the party. and now you know, you, it's trump in his mag of supporters and you have that republican establishment. that chasm is getting larger, not smaller george with it. that's exactly right either. and that's really the point because what has happened in recent years and the may be through trump's 2016 campaign assembly republican positive as much as the polity of the piece and the body against big government, against the military, against the intelligence services. i am in favor of the civil liberties. i mean

it's not that i'm usually to essentially republican, but it was going back to it's pretty well war 2 guys against the old you know the coast. uh well go to coldwell establishment, the same thing, but now this thinking has prevailed against the g o, b a. so now they, they lose that important issue which they could have at least one over. um, people who, you know, who might not naturally be voting for republicans, but this, but they just, it's so cold by the, by the regime, you know, an embracing all of the ideas of the deep state and the military is our work. and at least the republicans are against this. and so even though they've but they've lost that liberty, mike johnson, he changed his view. why? because of a briefing by the intelligence services. well, let's say is that things are to services that you've been accusing now for several years of tried to topple donald trump. there's people who are trying to um,

but in that asylum, cool, in the united states, that would try to essentially take out the elect, the lead to your site. you setup all of these committees to investigate government abuse or government weaponized, ational government. that gets your political bonus, you mean that intelligence service you set down and you thought, oh, well, i better believe that in all the weapons of mass destruction and all of that in the bushes, you mean villages, services goes away. so you've lost some leverage. and i think that's really the point and what not to mention about the bus around with this, the problem is on the truck may be under the delusion of the people find his personality appealing, and that's strolling there. there is a fact, a faction in america that does fine this bus and now it's a very appealing, that's not enough to get you over the line. so i'm going to get you 51 percent. you know, people who are, you know, the person out of this fine, but you gotta have the policy. you're gonna, well, george, even in 2020, nobody loves joe by nobody. okay. but in, in, in we, they, in that process,

they'll continue just be, you're absolutely right. martin, we can split it out of here a little bit. i mean, this axis of evil. and i suppose china is on notice right now. i mean, that's like waving a red flag in front of someone here. it'd be, you know, we're, we're, we're not going to have a peaceful coexistence. we're not going to have symmetry, even know, where are we? this is a new cold board. you are the enemy rushes experiences for a long time, now that china is. and so what does russia in china do they come even more close together? i mean, there is there any adults in this administration whatsoever? exactly. yeah, obviously it's a point of the make a little to about british politics, which is i've noticed in my lifetime, how and peace in london this, the educates it's less or informed and frankly lessons, you know, not even, not even remotely clever, lenient, remotely a us the suit, so aero dice, what they do any more a the big, the vision, becoming sick, you know, and i think it's us, i mean, america, we're seeing

a dying down of the political process and the people within it, people are actually saying more and more stupid things you know, without even having to research, without even having these thoughts starting next to me to say, you know, talking about new access to the last time. someone said that george w bush, the americans, they knew the rock, it was a premise of something much they got hit with, not experiencing that now. but to go back to a point about showing that being the enemy and rush and being in a big what's the reason the enemy, you can say that $126000000000.00 or for an investment from american companies in china, says that you're not the enemy, you know, it's a city to go down that road. oh, i think all i interpret from that is just chest beating a certain nationalistic book, but also what it does, it's georgia, it's threat inflation. okay. so i mean, you know, we had the asked in graft, we have the ongoing ukraine griff, than, you know, the, the good korean peninsula has been to probably the greatest rift a since the 2nd world war that just goes on and on and on. there's not even

a question about that. and so here we go again. the, the industrial base of the united states has been degraded so much so that you have to rely on arms to export more make money. so this is, this is really extraordinary. again, trump is betraying everything, but he stands for me. and so, you know, if we're gonna, if we're gonna have an industrial base, can we have it more than just arms like have well paying jobs for people, they don't know that the swamp always wins. john and john mccain always with george . this is exactly right. be there and um, it really is the case that whenever there's any kind of a fight, any kind of a resistance to the swamp, the swamp will prevail. what's your goal? so uh remember that um on the sides of a, a bite and signed into law, the renewal of size of the wires less search bar the size a. so this was a real head mike johnson played the really cold role in the,

on the critical book here. he gave the critical works. so this was a really bump a day for the deep said the other day. and so, no wonder they were all the democrats who are waving ukrainian flags inside the the capital. but oh, no point either. this was a, this was the trump certainly point and this is why he became president of the young people. what is the vote of for him? you know, i sent you a reality tv show stuff. uh, you know, and new york real estate. so i do, you have the promise? we're gonna end these was we gonna rebuild our industrial base, you know, make america great. again, we're going to go back to the america of world war 2 and the immediate, the decades after world war 2, when american industry was the envy of the world on either side question whether it was doable or not. but that was the whole point. then we don't wanna waste all these precious results as finding stupid was it doesn't, don't get anything for him. i get it. and that hasn't worked. and then he was an

opportunity for trauma. and because he had it has the bass i need even had with him later. the g o b conference you know, congressmen who are ready to follow him and say, yeah, we were with you on this. we, we don't want to any more of these was we're not going to get one penny to the ukraine and only got the down. and george on top of it on top of it. there is no down side for the republicans. they did vote for it. they don't spear trump, they don't. we are the leader of the party. democrats. oh my goodness, you defy. looking to ship. i think it will lock you out of your office and give you one way ticket. oh martin, go ahead. it's. it's a 6. all right. i think we've reached that point now. you know what? it's so difficult to, to, to look at these 2 candidates and understand what, what the real story is. all we being food here is this smoke and mirrors sort of blossom trump. i wonder if there is more of this story that we've actually really

stumbled on. nothing less, not underestimate of his ability to, to surprised the. so what is media stance and, and some of the attorneys that he has around him, you know, revising him on a day to day basis. so. so i think we've got lots of look forward to, but in the short term, i must have maybe i but i, you know, i, this was a huge win for the democrats and buying a huge. okay. and the, the colossal size of it. i think george is right. this is going to be use as a whip on him all the way to november, but you supported your speaker supported it. what are you are doing about you've taken an issue off the table, which was very viable for so many people. george, i finish up for us. exactly a bible. he may try to distance himself away, but it'll be every single day and them as nbc, cnn all the way that they're gonna be saying this might be 5000000000. this was the biggest business ever package for ukraine you signed off on it. so what suitable

for him to best sell them accusing would be perfect fulton's buffet, the blues. i was the harshest on russia, the southern accusing, were working for the kremlin, but also to use him of the supporting by his policy. that's a politics of short circuiting itself. i'm and maybe martin's right. maybe there's something here that we don't understand, but i tend to doubt it. that's all the time we have gentlemen want to make my guess in budapest and america. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here, or do you see next time remember, costs across the the

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