the same as the lead impending defeats in vietnam. dr. morrison, how for it is currently the advisory council chair of advocacy group j straight. thank you so much dr. albert and iraq, coming on, you know, it's more than 5 years since british authorities capture julian assange in london because they are interviews with him and one of his grades of support is, was daniels bag. the late down those book, like i said, was your friend to see was uh, you know, before we go to the current state as well, the terrible state of the world give me just remind us of how many, perhaps millions of lives you. and then in a way, to get a saved in the former endo china. it's very hard to know how to trainers to count the uses, depending on the papers itself. you're not sure it and the war lens, nobody read them and the war continued and infected fix it escalated. the court has to be reset the pedagogy papers. what didn't end up ending the war was located in

watergate was employed, created because of mixes dismay and distrust of pianos. but he was afraid of greek and papers about his administration and was going to release them and therefore was trying to silence hillsburg. and that way to the plumbers, to break in its pain psychiatrist's office and then to other actions, which eventually led toward the gate. and that the congress cutting off the front of the v. is it more? and that's a millions of lives close to where we're going on, if not for the gate to the end of the grease, the end of the next administration can probably be on. so that was literally a domino effect coming from your assessment through to dallas. but i mean, presume we do support like apparently so go mainstream media or in the united states, although they don't give it that much prominence. the release of julian, i sondra banner, the vitamins being pictured perhaps not really understanding what the question was

from a journalist that considering stopping the persecution of the way he makes publisher able to stop in yes, you know, which was easy. these reason should not apply to any actions relating to release of information to the privacy. the by coming to officials will bind and certainly by the presence of your science. persecution was the 1st time the history that states that somebody, it was not a government official, has been indicted for violating the asking on that for doing things that gave information to the public. and i think the last thing i said was, would be unconstitutional if it covered that it would be flow too good. and we don't need any statute punishing. then we need more information given to the previous attempts to stop daily because it's so detrimental to the bible presidency

. why do you think he's doing it? maybe it's something related to that story. you just told me about the pentagon papers is bible expect to julian hassan somehow to have secret papers that will impact on november's election. what is the purpose of ruining the united states has reputation internationally for actually not really having a 1st amendment where the paper it's written on. i think it started with obama. is responsible for this whole expansion of the espionage book to cover and things related to giving information to the press and then was continued onto the truck. but i think blended ministration just inherited an ongoing and it seems things to continue with. i doubt whether they gave it much consideration gressick and now concerns much more about the tax and then from the west and issues that excite people in the way that the board for boy. and i think they're looking for things to

do that can help them with that a year with a car voters, one of the things would be to track the sun persecution. i'll get onto the circle left in a little while when we get there to get to gaza. but uh, what was your opinion then of uh, the jack texerra case sticks or leak pentagon papers that you are the by the administration user. lensky is the so called counter offensive would fail. the british soldiers were in ukraine. you agree that the jacks, etc, shouldn't have been prosecuted under the espionage act. he got 716 years. as i said, i think the jack has written these 4 to grade the cover information we to the press and i'm not sure we should have a statute. general recovery that would congress is done and certain feels like a ton mccain. and she liked the names of covered intrigues, like communications, intelligence has created separate narrowly drawn statues that cover those

categories of information and make it a crime. to publish that kind of information. i think that's the way to handle the platform bed with a general s mean, i should ask you to cover as well information that the company is trying to keep secret. as things go, it was, it was something we know. edward snowden says now a mass surveillance, and i'll get onto your system, isn't it in a moment? did you not tell your boss is a bother and clinton about your worries of this whitening use of the law to prevent the american public from understanding how the government work? well, clinton didn't do any of it, so we saw for him for that we could talk about other issues and bottom administration. i was on the board of some because my new challenge corporation. so i think that have an opportunity raise these kinds of issues with present it to anybody here. the biggest range. oh, okay, well have you absolved clinton?

i'm sure some people talk about the yugoslav war in that regard. just as you could see, what happened to information during that war, let's get onto kissinger. i should say. he threatened me once on the phone, but i'm not sure why. tell me why your boss, henry kissinger, the lady henry kissinger, was bugging your phone. he was your boss rouse, i was working for him on the national security cancer staff in new york times publish the story saying that the united states were seriously bombing cambodia. and providing some of the details about how the bombing was being carried out. nixon was furious because he was trying to keep the bottom a secret sort of for the kid who did outcry and he was expanding the war and that he would be forced to stop on. so he talked to them over take over that you've chosen you solution to every solution to everything was wired. so hoover

told him where to find that it was ricky his toward that. so it makes it talk, isn't your figure out who understands might be doing the weekend and give those names to what we did. morning. it kept those people and i think next in gateway they could, kissinger gave my name. because when i read the story, because he's worked this over in nixon, so what i read the story and the way to protect himself likes to give my name to the bill. what, what a lovely, lovely man, of course, kitchens you had big doubts about the ukraine conflict before he he died. you, however, are as hawkish has ever on bad. you think that the united states endangers its national security? if zalinski doesn't win the war? i do. i always seem to the clinton administration when we were urging the, a korean government to keep up its nuclear weapons. you remember when the soviet

union fell apart and were no clear weapons it several of the state said this new independent states when we put so we one of those was ukraine, which had a substantial number of nuclear weapons ukrainians, where we looked at to give it up and we go together with the russians, urge them to give up the new cri with this to turn it back to russian pending return rusher and the united states. both promised to create that we would defend them because terry tag playing the state. there was a nuclear weapons power, and of course they happen and we have not. we chosen that's in their own troops, which i understand. but i think we move in military equipment and support so that they can preserve their independence. yeah, but it is really to do in the us security why over the dead bodies of ukrainians?

and as for that to a nuclear weapon deal, which happened while you were working there in the clinton administration. you think victoria and you live within the range? the 2014 crew is mean fluid from that. the phone cool. if ukraine had nuclear weapons, russia would have moved much more swiftly, arguably to protect the people in east new crane. don't you think? i'm not sure how you sort of those that nuclear really puts in that useful, you know, status of it figured out. i'd actually use that to the page that policy entries. so i'm not sure who the difference. so i thought that's why you were, you were mentioning it in that regard. but i think the fundamental question is annoyed. austin was saying congress in the past few days. look, this is about helping the industrial base of the united states as much. and that's a quote from him, as it is about ukraine. don't you think the rest of the world, which clearly is trading with russia? most of the world is ignoring these nato nation sanctions. they think if the united

states really seriously thinks what happens in ukraine is a threat to the american people, the american military should be fighting their rather than the making the ukrainian a generation of ukrainians die for this one. i don't think we're making the creeds, i think so as i can tell, the war is supported by the vast majority of the creed. people do not want to be part of russia and are volunteering and fighting to launch numbers. and i think the united states always in the support for them to fight more because they didn't care things which is fine to be part of a brochure in the united states is not having an interest separate from your grades . i keep him keep the russian so green river report suggested that they as a one to 10 fatality ratio and this conflict desertion rates are rocketing any your

every european city as will of ukrainians are fighting a sort of uh uh, i'll give you a left left the country so you are a firm believer that the $61000000000.00 will make all the difference to the war effort, even though the lloyd austin, i think even said the 61000000000 is recycled to arms. companies in the united states. is it? let's get, we'll get any of that money for a few months yet, even if it didn't, okay to rinse a zion, the seems you can get the web. it's what we're listening to saying is we use the money to buy weapons. so american weapons, manufacturers protect ship those weapons to create so they hit the weapons and money and the fact stays in the united states. we simply bought a weapons and then shipped him to create the help. and i'll stop you there. or from

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you lose the, there's another crime. say another could have been a doctor or nurse could have been the next president. we can't keep losing people out here, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with full beneficial to the kennedy johnson nixon clinton 100 bumper administration and current advisory council chair of j street, dr. martin helper and a dr. alber and you were talking about how important it is to continue the war in ukraine. why do you think it is that, i mean, we had a reagan official on the show, the other week, a former assistant secretary defense telling us, you know, if necessary, the united states would use it to nuclear weapons, rams tinetta base, if it became necessary. so important is ukraine. why do you

believe that russia is interested in invading poland or from some britain at that seems to be the kind of thing i have to be blinking says on a regular basis. if you, if you let them go into your grade and he's going to take over paris by next year, you're worried much more about the baltic states. and i do that. why would you want to take finland? seriously? russia is the line i sent you yesterday, right? for you and with wayne, you and those states were part of the so we know sylvia union, they broke away actually some of them before the breakup of so and you could point me shown and in georgia, i elsewhere around his boys page not satisfied with the borders that we joined during the breakup of the soviet union, and i think he will continue to push until he stopped for purpose. raised purpose

is to re recreate soviet empire. i think he, you know, you said it was a great mistake, the greatest mistake of the century was for. so you need to go out of this space to break off influence have because it's the tear of what part of what they should very close it. and that he has a secret application to try to reach to reset. and i think he will push until we stuff. well, he always is as, as not the goal. but do you don't see that there are echoes of what you're saying there about a present day russian veneration, and what the b nixon administration of the johnson i'm kennedy administration said about how important the war vietnam was. and the bolton size was nixon by the address of a destroying cambodia. do you don't see any echoes of that? the truth is it is always difficult to tell whether wars one it's

trust or not. when it was one that is in the american interest to fight with that. and that is an issue that has to be faced and resolved every case. but the fact that one concludes that the via, the more was not of just work was not all we can win, because we run the wrong side. does not mean that ukrainian war is the one that we can read. and there's not a trust for the may be that it's also around just for you as a, is it separately about each more? and it's not the case said no worries, no worries. fighting. and it's not the case that every workspace play. so each one has to be taken on its own merits, of course, of course. but then we now have the revelations of the c. i a had bases in ukraine ahead of time. we have the cool about victoria newland talking to jeffrey pos. what

was happening in 2014, if russia or china started putting the secret intelligence spaces on the mexican border of the united states, would the united states be justified in a, in a balancing into mexico to take them out. i mean, i need the context aside. be different because of course they were russian speakers being persecuted in east and ukraine. i don't think we were ever ready to go into mexico and i think it was a mistake to obtain a, i was against their expansion. greer was mistaken. contrary to the insurance is 3 a give it to russia. what we're happy to see a lot of tribute to beautifully. and i think we should have made a deal if we could have totally clear what it was past. reservation that you create would love to come by the big of that data with that station,

any over in the military forces or clint. this goes, well why don't know why not have peace talks now to end the was it landscapes made it an eagle to have peace negotiations that were of course the ones in this campbell, why do you just support more weaponry? being born in the visuals. i'm always in favor of exploring possibilities, ran the war. and i would certainly be in favor of offering the russians any agreement that they, that you create with that become part of the day, you know, and they are with that station forces in your training and ruby, you over it forces what career destined forces and that the weight, sorry, i know how this is exactly what the russians said they wanted, isn't it? to see, you know what you're saying? there's nothing more than in the independence of ukraine. your original object, when they start at work is to catch you bruno of ukraine. no, i,

where are you getting that from? because the objective always since the minutes records was for a neutral ukraine just as you have outlined that. now of course, the russian veneration says, look, it's too late because clearly these western pads got be trusted and they need to buffers a. but even then, i don't know, maybe they are open old food and says is he wants negotiation and it's now too late to negotiation. now gives me because previous negotiations of mean double crossed, never too late in the rotations. i think it was clear that he wanted to capture on a few crate. it certainly with ukraine's expected. and president of ukraine, you know, was the beginning whether to leave the country over and try to go on to chris. but i remember that piece right now, where were you? i mean, i think it is time to start to work. and as i said, i think some concessions. some should be made to soviet security concern slow

currently ran and getting it. i much was deal and they could have before arguably. and as i said, roger is made it, terry, did they ever had any interest in taking? ukraine does not start with the let's go to that other war the by the ministration is involved in the weapon ising and boring millions of dollars, annoying zelinski as well because the landscape is saying, the weapons that we're headed, his way of going to be sent to nothing, yahoo! why do you think the bible to ministration is continuing to pull weapons into israel to, to, to bomb gaza when it doesn't help him elect truly. it doesn't help him into nationally in terms of reputation. it doesn't help the united states is reputation . a. and a part for me, i suppose, some profit making by weapons companies in the united states that say anthony blinking consulted for and lloyd austin worked for well,

what is the advantage of continuing to send 2000 pound booms to and that's in yahoo . well, publicly saying don't, don't use them. i don't know. i think it's a major mistake. said those words. and i think the united states needs to make it clear that it does not support a new invasion to god's day it's weapons cannot be you anything we support cannot be used for that purpose. and that it's time to open up the borders of when you mandatory assistance that surgery needed. and i think by this now finally beginning to push in that direction or the serious way. and i think here 0 is really the least this of comply with that because they all have to pay the burg support. well mind story about appear rather than any great success with the tonnage of food coming in. but you didn't really answer me. why is he doing this then?

what does that mean? you being in these administrations? what, what are the, what are the conflicting conversations in the oval office about such an audience? if you've had, you know, bring this community to life, believing that the israel should be supported. believing that it's right to exist in scro, you thoughts. but feeling the political pressure in that direction. i mean, it's always been a case up until now, but the pressure on president's was to support issue and it's no, it's dramatically attacking routine. and i think by does not get caught up. but i think they now understand, and it'll be a need to move in that direction. a debit is too late, isn't it? for the international reputation, these cases we'll continue legally, obviously, you know, it's, uh, he's meeting with the rocky prime minister. i'll see donny while if he's bombing

iraq in the past few weeks. obviously, britain in the united states bombing human for a solid. i already action for their shipping and biographers. railing goods. tell me about modeling old right. what, what, why did to your point you direct your policy planning under clinton? it was a little bright, is famous in this region of west asia. if a thing of it was a price worth paying when $500000.00 maybe children were killed by us sanctions on iraq. i'm not familiar with that. quote, i don't know why she picked me. i knew were right known or for years and people in our staff were there were some people want us to have very close to me and i think thursday reported me. but she never said i got a quote or the asking whether i really except to try the policy planning direction . and so i was offered and i said that would. and because we have that all the

right of us, we don't, we are. what did it feel like when didn't and bomb, the chinese embassy in belgrade, and i handed the total destruct break of of yugoslavia. you were there was a fever of intervention. it costs that obviously, bombing the chinese embassy and remember cookie. i never was able to get to the bottom of what, what that was the way that somebody deliberately did. and if so, for what reason? but i think the intervention to stop. what was the side up against the cause of all beings who was justified? i think the policy started me went ahead, but if you're willing to recognize cause of us or then you have no problem with delight to be approved in recognizing crimea, a lot of the russian federation things knew there was no

ongoing effort play the part of that because if you create to mastercard, drive, yeah, the russian speakers or you can try me. i think the right people to break away from the government is condition going to be mastercard underway or we have a you don't have a problem with referendums. and in this case, able to realign view is it was nato bombing, and then some unilaterally against the international community and against any un resolution. recognizing cause or some kind of separate country and then imposing a referendum where indeed they voted the way the washington like is very, are there any similarities between what that is and what the mesh and government thinking reasons using mistake to recognize the independence because of the agreement was because we come under the un security kansas supervision and the

future cost to determine negotiations among the interested parts, including the service and the costs of her paintings and subject to approval by the security council. and i think the decision to clear customs on independence and to recognize that independence wasn't mistaken. a violation of the security council resolution, which way to the security council supervising, comfortable and high. great. pretty much it. yeah. well, most countries, i don't think really recognize it today is that western european ones. but then do you think and penny you voice concerns about donald trump's election? what's your view about his political persecution? as he says, it's leading opposition leader in the polls and on the customer of jail all the time, every other week from pauses and political authorities allied to the by the justice

department. as far as the you hear from the trump campaign, what do you think that looks like to the rest of the world? because it's trump, who's being done from under the espionage act we spoke of earlier. you will use using logic. again, same is different because it's for mishandled. the requested information, not giving it to the press, but simply storing it where it shouldn't be stored and refusing to return it when you're asked to return it. but it's a separate crime and it's one that doesn't give rise. the 1st amendment issues away with the assigned case thoughts. but i think there were genuine issues. and i think this slide hooks up and the few repairs were actually wides. people to the fact that when we used to be very careful about going down the page, i was trying to invite sort of presence. i think that's very dangerous, but i'd much more comfortable with the january 16th that i haven't been able to

talk to more than to help her and thank you. thank you and that's up in the show. i'll continue condolences to the survivors of u. s. u k. you nation, i'm kidding. in palestine, syria, yep. and 11 in the around that iraq where we back with a brand new episode on saturday. and you'll then keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sent to your country and have to have channel going on the ground tv on rumbled up. com to let you know the episodes are going underground. so you said that the the door to door or to, to just don't want that. we start having partners. and so the media central,

i'm gonna send you the settings from really seems pretty things i'm really from it on the computer. no, yes it personally. so it was the one that so the sale be the name is e, as in which the motion to complete it. we'd like to to sure to get us the book which is such as to know what i thought a soup. inducing that to, to see the purpose pass through. so the, the welcome dispatch stuff for here. we discussed some real in the, the,

of the teachers about all the data set as they can obviously sions, the west and come through, shoot, appreciate these. let me go public offer, answer strain. i'm responsible actions toward disability and safety, $33.00. i mean, time concerns on balancing of and even broad a war rough thing across the middle east. the iran is, you quoted just the same. the west should actually be praise. it gets measured, responds to israel, not condemning it. well, people thought solve the jewish iranian empty, the, the idea of renewing it, strikes on the following. and i have relative, calm, a displace palestinians trying to return to what's left of that highways and a no sort of a sudden find themselves directly in the firing line.