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hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn sign peter lavelle. here we discussed some real news. the end of an era and the start of another is there no red line is real world cross and will nato invite ukraine and to be lines this upcoming july, or will they just budget? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a podcast where the god will which be found on youtube and locals. and in marrow cash we crossed to martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator, write gentleman cross type rules and effect, that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. or this kicked this off with george in budapest. i suppose it's kind of

a moot point or just rhetorical. now is there no red line is real world cross because we had the bite and ministration come out and training for over the killing of the well, the western aid workers rest and the word western. but on the same day shipments continued here. i mean, this has been a game of chicken and george men. yeah. who's one as well. i'm afraid you're absolutely right. pizza. i think that there's any of who has one of this has been going on since october, where washington, sean's outrage over some latest um, is really atrocity. the latest the statistics about the civilian casualties and then nothing changes. so this past week we have the 78, what goes well west and i mean these are, these were west and aid workers may think of what one of them was a us citizen,

the 3 british citizen. and we had the attack on the e rate in the embassy compound in damascus. so he's a both a fairly outrageous actions. and i see really very much happens 0. the same correspond uh issue. the policy is just that no more aid for um, lives in the area, or are you serious about that? well, no more. 8 until mid any i will gives an a serious account thing as to what he's doing. it will go write letters and then in the meantime in the u. k. u, but david cameron said he was, is really a very bad thing. if you got 3 british citizens, a dead. and the boy you can do is just simply top top and well, waive your finger in the meantime, your bar is jones us as we, we must have lift anything stand in the way of mall. um, delivery is where as well. so going back to your point, yeah, this, this can go on for a long time. let me,

i'm just going to continue winning. well martin, the way i read it now in retrospect, this is just a very, very simple game. i mean, if we do, we go back from october to the present everything george, the catalog did well, it is a, you know, this is escalation of outrage and there is no limit to that. this is what has been proven. there is no limit. and we, we know that the, the defense ministry and israel's angling for a possible conflict with the has blood of course around is always on their radar here. and the administration the seems amazingly, disgustingly pathetically input. did you have anthony, a link and the secretary of state? i mean, i miss, i'm embarrassed when i see him though. he looks like an undertaker. he's always looking down. he's lying through his teeth, all the other administration spokes people are no different except for the excel in the, in expressing a smirk when their challenge. i mean, i've never seen this kind of book in my life and considering the united states as

wants to be um, um, dominate predominant around the world. constantly rules based order. but it comes to this one issue. they're impotent mark. what installed um i agree, i agree, i didn't, i didn't even know how to start this program by george believes he made all the points i wanted to make um, but i'd have to take to task both through this idea that this and you know, it was one, i think, i think is 2 of the say, because quite rightly george mentions the tensions between his beloved and i'm an israel. we saw now really a level that we couldn't imagine just a few weeks ago. but in addition to that, the bombing of the, the, is where the bombing of the reading concepts in damascus best going over line. and the situation. now the bottom we'll have is we hope you will have that flies around him. and senior officials and depends are going to advising him that if the radians go ahead with what they threaten to do, which is to strike israel,

then wisely. these really they are, the americans would, would be, would be very wise, not going to go to take a step back and say we notify one missile. because if you do flour me. so if you launch one of $3051.00 of $68.00 of those aircraft carriers, then you have a world war scenario and is biting, going to go into his, his election role with a, what was a run, a world the know us president was ever wanted thumbs as much as somebody knowing they've all avoided like the plague and you know, we're all now in a situation though we're talking about a will on the rain, is the martin this bit, cynicism is endless here because for example, is really media and government officials are not claiming they will for rightly or wrong, wrongly is a they, they, the ran may strike is real in response, which is exactly what, nothing, you know, who wants, because that will force the americans in. i mean, this level of citizens keep going. yeah, but i don't think that what would the account come in the system posted was an

impossible scenario. you know any and bite in would be completely off. is truly even to this. i'm sorry martin, but we watched israel with el cheapo hospital. this absolutely decimated, turn it into ashes in the world, watch hospital. we're not talking about a military. he to be, george. i'm the cynicism is so thick it's, it's hard to see through it. but i would contend. but the, the sabre rattling with has bull. uh, the attack on the uh, uranium consulate in damascus. it's, it's a diversion because they want to continue resolving or in pursuing their genocidal policies in god. so that's the point. well, i think it may be a diverse or, but it's much more likely a way of showing up your on. i mean, i think what it is trying to do is push this to, to show the web page here on is a paper tiger because he really does some of the getting involved at the well with

this rope. so he doesn't want to get involved in a war in the united 11 on certainly doesn't want to either. the level doesn't want to as so therefore this essentially, you know, then what is what it was done. this started down the gold pets around and said, okay, what are you going to do about it? we just hit your, um, uh, an embassy compound. what are you going to do now? is they get around this thing we will do this. we will do that. we'll do the all that, but it's quite likely even though they're to do very much, i mean we've seen in the past with israel has conducted assassinations, whether it is assassinated sciences, you're all basically set back and watch because again, you're out of those or they get involved in the war with is, or if it goes that goes, that's a good, that's a reckless thing. you know, that, you know, the brings in the united states. and even when the united states that essentially the general saw the mom a, we're going to a national hero, essentially, iran was allowed to perform essentially a pro forma strike. just just to say face that america said, all right,

we'll give you a one shot picture of barracks. no one gets the allowed. you can feel good about yourself that you your allow the police to have it. well. well, george, you may just write your logic isn't publicly impeccable as usual, but martin and i certainly don't think it ran is going to have a direct uh, have a direct uh but um, directly target israel, though it has proxies galore. and i think that's what we have seen is it ran presumably reported lee, is it all it's proxies or throughout the region to hold back? they have no, there's no reason for them to hold back. and that's the, that's the, the, the fear of the united states, because you're going to be getting picked off ever all over the place. you know, where, where do you focus your attention? that is one, it's not as dramatic. george, you right. is it in a council? it? um, but the impact may be just as meaningful. martin. i think you're absolutely right. that will be more pressure on the proxy. so be more, more leeway,

more flexibility. i think for for hezbollah to even increase the intensity, and i still don't know, show a few weeks ago that i'd say no, be some touch with strikes in the future as to what was done by the so think that we're waiting for the day where hezbollah strikes in his writing image, organization, an institution and kills number of the idea of soldiers that steps on the cause i'm signal todd while i'm but in the last few days of the last few weeks, we've seen reports now of both sides talking now of a real real full, more a not for these riley's but suddenly for the, for as blow up would mean a land innovation of a northern strip of as well. and i think that's a reality which is now edging closer and closer and closer. and you're quite right to talk about these, these on the threshold. so we've reached, you know, and how they don't show people and how people are becoming more and more fatigue. so, you know, we, we, we need to be more emotional to even sick need to get our attention for, for media every day. the i was surprised that some the

a workers the 7th day they were because 3 of them, brits till the attention of the dates when you put it into contrast with the thousands of thousands of palestinian babies. you know, the killed every day in the most grotesque way. you know, in a way that all generation and only compared to the other cost. you know, those images, you know, they, they don't draining any more. the graphic. they raise a shop, you know, in h t, um, but i, so i think that these thresholds now being reached and international law is becoming really a foss move and never it, it could be in an international law. it was something that was really significant for american leaders, but not understood by that great to put big obama pulled out soldiers from iraq because of international. he also didn't invite serial. an independent big way because of international role he signed. didn't special roy's and devices told him by international, but i think international lawyers very much all about who's in well, i would think it's quite selective. i mean,

he did the select vehicles like they got the destruction of libya. okay. and the previous administrations greenlighted the district and encouraged to guantanamo site, which is which, which, which, which one is which, which is yours, actually, georgia. i mean, it is been net, i already mentioned the game of checking here. um, he wants to get rid of bite and disney or hey does um and uh, any yearly if that's the next in the yahoo project that could actually come to fruition by this very unpopular is that a really, really tough um re election 5 at least as no one in the body like, oh and loves joe biden. okay, so they don't, and he has a good show that you know, if, if trump is in trump, will be much more favorably inclined towards him then a bite who has been, i mean, it's not a done deal, but there's, there's a reasonable expectation. you were asked to accept the reality. the israel is a very serious country history. it is ready to do what it needs to do to samuel

whatever the goal is like, well, it's a, nothing is going to solve that. i mean, i, that's, it is like, wait, you know, americans not going to stop us international laws, all that stuff like united nations and all the discovery we go, we will do whatever we need to do. and that's really pushing up from what you've been with israel is, are there all the restraints? i mean, they, they think was the only important thing is that we, so all, i, we prevail over, you know, interestingly enough, because fine, it's, interestingly enough, georgia is, gives me, there's a very perverse logic to this because israel will do whatever it wants. it's demonstrated that, but ultimately the blame will fall on the united states in under the current administration, because that's how the world is going to look at it. and rightfully so, in many ways it's, it's, it's a burden shifting as it were, or a gentleman. i have to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our to the

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and how is block a recovering from? he is a bloody conflict. watch on. see the welcome act across side bullhorn and peter lavelle here we're discussing some re on this martin in july of this year. it's the 75th was already passed, but they're going to have to be de la party of nato is a anniversary 75th. and we have the secretary of state lincoln, which i referred to on this program as the undertaker of international law. and he was standing right next to the ukranian for administer and made it very clear. ukraine will be part of nato that we heard this. well, you know, under the george the bush administration, they're still saying it though, a lot of things have happened since they don't want to induct ukraine in, in july,

or they just going to fudge it one way or other george. and i have very strong feelings about this. you go for as much. i'm from a journalist point of view. i think it's going to be a massive media fudge. i think it's gonna be a little secondary. so they've already prepared, you know, and um, i think we're gonna, we, we should, we should be prepared for that. i mean, it's interesting. i went with the conversation, what they owe you, great information. they did this, but they they, they had did that they've been discussing and how to do this. i suppose it's how to budget. that's what they've been discussing. martin. yeah, i know. yeah. i think the ukrainians have been doing very good job of fake news for all for a long time. under the leadership of the american friends in key f u o is wherever they go in the world, the americans always build this, this sense of this information. i've actually experienced a lot myself my own career. so we wish we should expect a lot of fake news, but you know, what we should never forget is that the west is losing. and when you lose and it will, you lose ground, you lose territory, you lose villages and towns almost on a daily basis. and you become more, more desperate. you know,

recently in the last we are seeing video footage of 19 or 20 year olds, toner, boston, ukraine in uniform, looking as though they're being driven to that desk. i mean, they look just misery on their faces. nobody's called me called scripts because they, we just, they just changed the lower new crime. they've reduced the color script age from 27 to 25. which to west hills greats in the step, a real progress since the gram certainly thought him. thanks man. it doesn't have any children, and money doesn't mean children and that was really, you know, have a bucket of water between is, is, i mean, is a complete idiot. total total idiots. you know, and some of those things it comes out with a just astonishing but you know, i think to ask you a question because a lot of fake news going to see a lot of, um, you know, you for you about how well nice it was done. and how is keeping the peace and now we're looking around the world for new members, you know, in south america and in asia. but, you know, but there is an underlying message here, which is that, you know, i don't think it be, it reflect very bad on ship item. well,

we remember to abide and full in years to come. ukraine and casa, you know, on the risk image is coming from them, because when, when the biden goes, pulse to sell by date, and you stops, you know, getting these days of the week, confused in the cities in america confuse and connie and woke up the stage so most happening right now when we get to the end, when we get we reached november, december, you know, i, i think come many americans will just think the nato on, on the west roll around the world. and it's different strategy is a bit fake, is a bit disingenuous because well, the, the, they build, the good thing for joe biden is a, he just probably won't remember it, but we'll have to do it ourselves. you know, george, i mean that there's, there's a lot of, um, uh, finessing, you can do, you know, you, we've talked about this many, many times. and in forcing upon rush of pros in conflict with, that's problematic in many ways. if you have this a bit to create

a new category for, you know, a membership and just about, or, you know, all kinds of things like that. i think it will be verbal. i think it will be rhetorical, but they're not giving up on this project. i think, you know, we have to make clear to our viewers, the west isn't giving up on this project yet. george. i, i agree with you, but i think it's under the very well that they may come up with some formula along those lines, which is a frozen config. maybe it kind of a to, to a member shape. yeah. yeah. you're in but it's not, you know, the quite have the status of everybody else. um, you know, maybe they'll think of them. well maybe we can create a demilitarize of the, the point is that this certainly does not in 3 months time. so it's, it's, it's coming up a, a shortly. um, and what later was this made clear? because nato is going to look in may to make that decision. we're going to go in on this, this. we cannot afford to lose. there's no way we can lose because if we lose,

yeah. then nato is down. the post cold war world is done. and in fact, the result of the cold will come, it's cool. big old into questions of who really wants that. so they kind of do it and that's why i think live in the native. i also, particularly now the french who are doing the, the, the, the most vehement a shilling for late. so that's why they are they making clear, we're going to move uh forces and they don't mean we can like be engaged in combat . they mean that we are actually going to be here and making clear so russia that thus far. and though for the you don't get to go any further east then where you are. maybe a little. yeah. but it might be laid out by the state that that's a yeah. i know. i know. but this thing, that's the, the mentality. that's a pretty, that's really dicey because martin it's, there's also, there's been discussion coming up to the drill of july. summit is integrating,

integrating more of ukraine's military into nato structures, which you can no longer say. i mean, we're, it's been a far as for 2 years, but, you know, we're not part of the conflict. well, if you start integrating the military structures and you are part of the complex and of course rush, you would, would not discriminate. i mean, they would, they would see the uniforms, they would see offensive material and they were destroyed. this becomes living in a fantasy world, but i repeat myself, every program martin. i think he is living in a such as the well, but i also thing, i don't believe that he will really send the troops. i think i don't either. you know, i see. i think he just bangs on this drum because it gives a major attention. they push them into this, the center. it gives him this, the, the, the, the idea that you can play this role temporarily just for a day of being the elected president of the european union, which is what he is trying to say. you know. and whenever he makes the shoes statements, i always think gives us live on the land and brussels and thing, a portal. but you know, she didn't get her media spot for the day. she was out for l ranked by somebody who

actually does get the media coverage, but there's only so long, so many so full. you can carry on with that with that silly idea of presenting us with french troops in your free, i mean it's a joke. french troops, you know, can anyone remember the last i'm furnished for it was actually, what are you seeing on the bottom, you mean come on. i just see is, is also, i think, um, i don't see pitching with hesitate. i think who should have them on the 1st day, because he knows all you need is a few buddy buddy. but it's going back to paris. and the whole thing is over game over, you know, with this, this is the thing about the, the people who don't understand about ne, so when we do these celebrations, which by the way, already started, which is weird. yeah. yeah. well, i say facing, you know, your joy anyways. so the last few days was the official birthday, right. it was official that the they all the actual signing of the brussels treaty of. so that was, that was the, that was the but they, but this has got to be the, with the above. they bought there. but i think it's

a government to micro aisles. thing is the end of this age, the forces being in combat. and now the question is, an easy way to the bottom of this about pretend wouldn't hesitate to show to them in that, i don't know. but i, i think the french one to work something out with the russian so that you don't shoot to that for. so yeah, we're going to be behind the lines. we're going to be doing logistics, administration, training, whatever. but don't shoot or the, i mean this conversation that took place a few days ago. but when the russian defense with us and the french defense, what is that, what were they talking about? the french, they all were too much areas of why, why, why, why so they thought too much. there is a bicycle. i'd say she wanted to get some kind of guarantees from showing go that when we deploy offices, you don't shoot at us. i know, i do think showing go, gave them a guarantee, but i think that that's the reason why all the sudden they have to have this conversation. yeah, but i mean, it was, there's a lot of wrinkles there, martin,

because, i mean, if you're, you just mentioned these conscripts to be in a bus being driven to the meat grinder. and so if i were one of those guys gonna say, but the french get to stay in the cafe is in the cuban word. yeah. oh, cool. what? well, what, what about us? i mean, i don't think it's a good look. okay, go, but let's see with the ukraine 1st and foremost we just do the, the, the fodder in the, in the french guys can have got the genuine and a n, a, a cafe go. and we just need, we need to get real, you know, both sides denied these totals even took place, which i think is going there. is that shows that neither one really has much confidence in putting off any kind of data, whether it's even informal and a by channel tools, etc. um, what was the last on metro and actually go to do with pitching was the last time they both sat down with a huge type of integration that they've never you know. so the other thing michael is going to do anything about getting a deal which uh, you know, managed just to give uh, uh, an exemption on the bustle filled his front, sold as leading up stuffs,

preposterous aconia mentioned not the ever happening. you know, i believe, i think a lot of this, when we talked about the nature of the say, going back to the point, you know, i think come what we, uh, what the humble american in the blue color wilka in the shopping mountain ohio is gonna sell a journalist when asked about what was this? because they didn't really understand much than i expected to understand really anything of the, the bigger picture is the night. so, is this organization that we pump in is those into, you know, we spend so much money on. we own it, so his teeth, but we don't have the latest but have the courage to even put one. well, i think also there's no real strategic vision. that's the problem. you, george, if you know way it'd be with the july summit coming up and you were asked your task, do you know, to make a cheer leading brochure for the of but for them for the party, what would it say he was getting a good question to the cheer leading brochure of,

if you would come up with the usual bundle software that the nature has been coming up with, they do is a huge, massive omeo propaganda is also known as the mainstream media building. that what, what a fantastic job of it's doing of, and yeah, i live, i mean the, they in the gulf. obviously they've got to congratulate themselves on all those job though. but i mean, when you, to the web, the strategic ration there really is no strategic vision. all of them, well let's go on, continue to bleed russia. yeah, that's all that is the question that that should be awesome. well, how does that benefit us? how does that benefit? anyone in your, how does it benefit anyone in the united? what, what do you gain by bleeding? russia? that's like our house it. so it just has been to say, well, we'll continue as before and whatever, whatever else we must prevent, donald trump will continue to follow because trump might bring this a put in the spigot to an end of this. this is who kind of the up. so that if there

is no strategic the vision, hit all of them. well, let's keep this going because as long as with this boom, global keeps going, then we can go on expanding and go on acquiring more and more funds. yeah, day of the being humiliated in ukraine shouldn't stop the alliance is march forward . okay, because that has some kind of world historic value. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have what a thing my guess and medication in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time. remember across the rules, the, the experience straight to us, the official lama show us jamie parse. that is look forward. you saw the movie keep good. as i mentioned, this is up to steve requirements,

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