over the past 3 hours and some of the after shots are very, very strong as well. and also from me now my colleague wherever associated will be with you at the top of the ask, what's more on the dates and stories from around the? well, the good, i mean, i'd state the united nations takes a lot of heat. most americans don't like or respect the work that it does. the far right wing believes that it's the tip of the spear of the so called one world government and articles routinely appear in the american media saying that the u. n is corrupt and that its employees are lazy and overpaid. i know the truth. i used to work at the united nations, its employees earn their money and many of them spend the bulk of their careers in harm's way. and another truth is that the united states usually gets what it wants at the you when, because it's a bullying the security council, but that's a topic for another show. in the meantime, in january of this year,

the is really government arrested, detained, and apparently tortured 8 employees of the united nations relief and work agency on run over their alleged ties to come us. and that was just the beginning of a very slippery slope. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the which of the world is focused on the war in gaza and on the atrocities that are taking place there. the united nation said in mid march that more children had been killed in guys in the 1st 4 months of the conflict, then had been killed in all other conflicts around the world. in the last 4 years combined, the south african government has taken action by suing israel in the international court of justice and the united nations general assembly has been nearly unanimous with the obvious exceptions of united states and israel,

that the fighting must stop immediately and that human rights must be respected. those demands however, have fallen on deaf ears. and while the israeli military continues to pound cities and villages all over guys, it is also arresting. and in some cases, killing united nations employees inc on right employees were arrested in january and another $22.00 were arrested in february and charged with quote, participating in the october 7th massacre facilitating the taking of hostages looting and stealing from his really communities and more on quote, as it turned out, several independent investigations found that none of that was true and the union has demanded the release of its employees. those releases have not yet taken place . but finally, the international media are not just taking me is really government's words at face value. even before hostilities began the associated press reported, quote, a confidential is railing, darcy,

a detailing alleged links between palestinian human rights groups and an internationally designated terrorist organization contains little concrete evidence and failed to convince european countries to stop funding the groups unquote. britain, this channel for news said this is real, has provided no evidence in its charges against unreal personnel and noted norwegian physician mads gilbert asked for a tour cli, why is real not being investigated for the killing of more than 100 on right? employees in gaza. we're going to discuss this with christopher goodness. he's a former spokesman for unreal. chris, thank you so much for being with us. it is a real pleasure to join. you don't. thank you very, very much indeed. have we on your show. for those of our viewers who don't really know what henri does, can you give us an overview on raw, has been around since 1949 is most of its work in gaza, or is it also active in the west bank or in palestinian refugee camps in jordan or

elsewhere. well, well the other one has been in the news because of it's like a garza and recently so to sum up to but it actually works in gusts of the west bank, but also jordan, syria and lebanon. wanted as a writing sage on it came into existence, was voted into existence by the general assembly. in december 1949 became operational on the ground, inmate 1950. now, on this creation was the results of the 1948 war and at least with sol, 750000 palestinians, driven from their homes or reflect the homes, into those in the north left on those into the northeast, went into syria. those of the east went into jordan and those elsewhere went into gaza and the west bank. now as its thing suggests, the united nations relief and works agencies the original mandate under was about to different relief because there was suddenly nearly a 1000000 refugees who needed food of both the medicine. and they needed

a roof over that heads. and that's what it is of the month. and he is actually provided and also provided looks a temporary jobs because these refugees needed to work. they needed to sustain themselves and their families in some way. but then it became clear that the flexing states of as well, would not abide by its obligations under resolution $19.00 full, and allow the refugees, the right to protect, which is a bigotry on the international. no. and it's policy universal, universal just a declaration. nonetheless, that so as well decide didn't say suddenly on roof, which was doing the is time free release began to move into something a bit more providence. so what's the refugee's need? that is cation the shows in the beach of the reputation needed education. so i'm starting to provide education, the leading health, so on this doctor to provide primary health care. but the more vulnerable in these societies needs relief and work. so food assistance,

assistance full. those are particularly ill. all sorts of different social network . social security programs began to grow up in the early days taught today. and those 3 broad areas, education, health, relief and social services. those are the main cool programs of unrest. but because i'm at least it's so unstable because what happens what's happening in gaza. but the other was in the middle east, west palestinians have found themselves cool. so unless somebody has to carry on with its main services education, hopefully from social services taking over but then to the town to dealing with. the motions is crop up and garza is a typical example of that. and that's basically what time does it does emergency what quit school does. it's cool services as a matter of course, and it's done that. as i said, jordan siri left on the west bank and gaza since 1950. and what is it that unwrapped has been doing and guys all these years?

is it food, water, medication delivery, is it nation building? and what does i'm gonna do that has these relays so angry? well, that's a very good question. it's a very complicated question. it's well that should be best put to this lady wrote to me. however, i will attempt to answer it. there is simply, she said, somebody's ladies mistaking me. believe that henri uh is pushing the rights of the under uh is encouraging the refugees to go back to the homes and as well. because that is not true. the refugees have 3 choices, which with, which is the will they have have either lived for inspiration. so it's gretchen way law. so the country we set them up so kind of drove us. we'll give them a visa, like, you know, and a great, so kind of go to us or wherever an override. and the rise of the time is gonna be which on the necessarily pushes. because in any case, it's up to the refugees. one of the whole points of these refugee choices is that they are freely made. and so it's really not requested. i'm gonna telling anyone

what to do, and under indeed doesn't tell anyone wants do a soft refugee, but it's regular mistakenly please. some in the fall right administration is where i believe that if you get rid of us, then magically you get rid of the refugees, which of course is not true if you got rid of on russ these, pete would remain human beings with inalienable rights, including the rights, little refugees, house it's, it's, it's really not the case that, you know, get rid of under a get refugee's. the other thing, i mean, you mentioned under services education, health, a nation building a road certainly today contributes to peace and prosperity and a sense of calm. and of course that's is that environment. these are things that you all conducive to a political sacramento peace process. there i say it to 2 state solution or whatever anyone envisages p spikes eventually looked like. and i think there was somebody as well who are implacably opposed to any kind of state for the past. it is nothing unless they sometimes see a slightly slit in that regard. and the other thing is we seem to be international

court of justice, which is the highest cold on the kind of which sets up to adjudicate disputes between states. um, you know, the cold on the 26th of january found that. busy was a plausible case of genocide that these. busy are these are waging a genocide, a war against the palestinians? of course i'm or has stood up an objective to that. and i think that's another reason why many is radius of service x and so angry about i'm right. it's a great shape because because under is that desperately trying to mitigate the impacts of this terrible conflict to bring food and medicine and was the to the, you know, 1700000 people who been displaced by the fights and gaza. this is really a rest of so many on run employees was of course, international news. these railways accuse them of participating in a major terrorist attack. the charges were very serious,

but they didn't stand up to scrutiny. and after more than 50 countries responded to the allegations by initially cutting funding for unreal. most of those countries have started up funding again. tell us about these really accusations, and even more importantly, tell us the truth about these employees. who are they in what work are they doing? well for legal reasons, i don't want to say the names because this is also judy. see, i think that when we this terrible episode is over, i think those staff members who falsely accuse might well take legal action. so i don't wanna get you on myself into any trouble. but essentially the is riley is called a meeting with the commission general bundle which the general is such as a problem. okay, tons of the chief executive, if you like me to access and they have a list of 12 staff members who they ledge they claimed had taken part in the attack on the 7th of of 2. but they didn't produce any evidence. and as you say,

and 16 data is then pilots and the phone number just suspended. funding to under the case of gentlemen, had separated a dismiss these workers because he wanted to take robust action in order to protect the interests of agency. but the americans, canadians, the swedes. um european union offers, as i say, pallet the bread so as a product can be funded. but to this day nobody's produced. any evidence against these individuals has indeed the united nations has instructed to old it mandates it to investigations. wallace is you investigation independence developer a but a you investigation? that is also an investigation by form, a french foreign ministry colona. and she is looking at these allegations,

also the office of into the low beside which is the un multi that's investigating these applications has completed into written report. and it is found no evidence for the allegations as well as may. i know the strength of that the european union has received this funding to the cheese of 82000000 euros to a suite civil service. the funding of the canadians have the danes have adults. so it was really a piece of fake news with spectacular impact because it led to those, the funding on the road to the sheet of $450000000.00 and the like to what is one of the greatest ex, essential crises if you like in the history of on a what do you think is really goal here? was was it to push the un completely out of guys a, was it to dry up whatever little funding the palestinians had?

was it perhaps a public relations move? if these really is new, the allegations were and true, then why go ahead with making them in the 1st place? was it just for the short term victory? or does it seem sticking very complicated question that i'm not sure because i have house privileged access to his rating intelligence or political information with sources. but i, i would say that festivals in new york times splash these allegations across the front pages without actually checking. so these ladies had in the new york times, a willing accomplice, if you liked to this fake news. i think that added to the sense of the galaxy and guilt which was wrong as it turns out. so what is what it's trying to achieve? i think in the short term they were trying to smear on rather which lines discredit tundra, i think, which hasn't was because the allegations of now i'm proven they try,

i think it is the medium saturday which finds the funds. right. and i think that to start with a managed to do that. but i think as you see the news management, the fate means unraveled. and those are starting to come back a little bit rather embarrassed. and with that goal, my face is be saving lives. and i like the positive is to dispatch to and we haven't got a yet, but i think that we've had peace today. that is where it is a lot because to denver of on the sleep bescedy from going into gauze. and i think that's the kind of thing increasingly we get to see with these waves attempting to prevent our working by limiting visas and permissions. and all these things, which of course is a violation of the new mechanism for actually of goods into gaza. and is also violation of the provisional measures ordered by the i c. j. the international court of justice on the 26th of january. when they said that no member state should

take any action to limit humanitarian access in the gaza. so that we have it. i think there was 3 main issues these way. it is a pushing one is the smith under us and to slush the name. the 2nd is to the fund. i'm right. i think that's on roughly and by law suite it's to dismantle and right. and clearly that is an international consensus is the general assembly or $195.00 nations of the us who give them the in span. basically the job assembly can make any changes to august magic model, the single that the state like you. so congress decides on ruby of what these various i think are trying to do is use bureaucratic means to limit the work of under. but that certainly isn't the same as dispatching on the we're speaking with christopher goodness, the former spokesman for the united nations relief and works agency or unreal. stay right here. we have a lot more. then when we come back,

we're going to talk with christopher about next steps and the situation in gaza and the rest of dozens of and run plays by israeli authorities stay to the. 2 2 the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best ingles, all sun set up the same assistance must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians putting s r t, spoke back, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for the question, did you say even twist,

which is the 1941 with the nazis health relation, ultra nationalists, the massages claim, the independent state of croatia. shortly off, the seizing power. they built the scene of us concentration camp a place associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during world war 2. use dash is used to come system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities, and political opponents of the fascist regime. conditions in the scene of us come when the gods tortured to arise and the prisoners they send a new constitution temps. so most of them died, it was incredible genocide.

the . 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers and john carrie onto were speaking with former united nations relief and works agencies spokesman christopher gun us about the is really a rest of dozens of on right employees. thanks again for being with us, chris. pleasure. i happen to have a close friend who is one of the most important constitutional scholars in america . he also happens to be an internationally recognized expert on genocide. genocide has of very specific legal definition. and he says that what is happening in guys a meets that definition is i'm not in any way empowered to try to alleviate the suffering of those affected in this genocide. do they have any international authority in war zones? they do have a mandate to leave the impact to this genocide will campaign. and since the 7th of

august, that's pretty much what it has been doing in guns. so you have to remember the unrest has a wealth of a needy, 200 around 15200 facility is literally schools. and so just division census in warehouse is old across the gulf stream. and when the serious bombardments with talking, you know, 2000 pounds is waiting, bolton's being dropped in residential neighborhoods. when all that stuff, people fled to our facilities to unreal comb pounds because there was a blue un flags. let's click above and they thought that would give them some kind of protection. so this let the homes where they felt very vulnerable and they came to and of course, when they arrived on the time it's best to distribute food and we'll set to give them mattresses. to provide shelter for people, but of course these schools that you know, that meant to be used by the 1000 maximum kids in the daytime. so there was, you know, toilet facilities fix on hopefully one facility. and there was maybe such

a 1000 people, so upholding the squalid living conditions of so i'm, i'm right. yes, absolutely does. how the mandates to leave the impacts of the war and indeed against all because you know, 168 uninstall, have actually been killed. and in the face of what we, you and it's described as an old school that is unprecedented in it's about bankruptcy. in that context, henri is doing its best to provide services mentioned suitable to those who are fleeing and saving refuge and conflicts. let's get into some of the specifics here . the harsh treatment of palestinian detainees in israel is well documented. torture is common place. i was speaking with an is really human rights attorney just last week and told me that one of his clients who is in is really prison, said that he envies his compatriots and guys because they're dead. he said that

living in his really prison is worse than death. what are your former colleagues going through in these prisons? well, interestingly, a couple of weeks ago under to be unprecedented step of pop listing a report which was based on hundreds of tests. and it is by people coming back into the office. so people being rounded up by these very all being taken away. and then when the interrogations a little, the period of the text is over. some of them, at least with delivered back to one of the crossings into gaza and under was looking, you know, on, on discussing had stuff this starts to, to people. is he was you do when you know you're working with a check point and people are coming back and well, image was a pack of illegal and in human and degrading treatments. in some cases, torch. in some cases, sexual crimes, sleep deprivation being false to 6 hours in exhausted in

positions, in one case, or more than one case. and it takes a and he has a med mental role to insert into the read some of the elements in such a terrible internal injuries. and because of that, women describe being sexually harassed. if there was sleep deprivation, old people with alzheimer's, children with special needs, all sorts of mental issues was subjected to the most appalling, upholding treatment. and this, you know, this was, this is in a report that under compiled which found its way into the media. but i sincerely hope and i believe that it will go to the i c j, the international criminal court b i. c is also investigating the ill treatment of palestinian detainee. so yes,

i mean a poorly old audited. frankie was crow break. war groups already knew there are 700 and the sort of a 7500 posted in prisoners. and probably more in is really prisons and the information that on the golf. some people that stays with settings simply cooperates in the city and pulling and degrading treatment that's going on practicing starsky up the page to 1967 we've seen is really government accusations against b on right. employees have they actually been charged with any crimes? are they able to see attorneys is the un involved in trying to get them out? and what can you tell us about under employees who have been killed by the israelis? well, as far as the 12 against to be allegations with levels of concerned, 3 of them are either missing all day and i don't know and i did it, and it is the whereabouts, all of the others. so to the best of my knowledge, they've not been shot, but what would you charge them?

because as well seduce no evidence. you, if your employer decided that they wanted to charge you something that have to produce the evidence and that's still been done. so as far as i'm aware of these, people don't even see the to the lawyers because there's a lot going on. so how would that be possible? so, um, yeah, i mean, interestingly the adult in charge of that because that's the evidence to johnston with all the question you mentioned about on the staff members, i mean they have been killed like everyone else has been killed, you know, 2000 pounds being dropped on the house, i've got a colleague in garza, his eldest son, who was just about to qualify as a dentist, was killed because this way just dropped a huge ball on the neighbor's house. and the son was for a place to where this boom actually fell. and so he was killed and it's very sad because as he was dying, he spoke to his balance on his mobile phone. i mean,

it's tragic and his body was unrecoverable because these ladies and not allowing fuel into the gas strip as you need to, you know, for the trucks and the vehicles to drag a whole new level off. so not certainly of stuff but most of them are being killed like everybody else has some, 2000 pounds on being shot by snipers, some dying of you know, disease rules, home by bound nutrition in the way that, that you know, so many of the say um you know, in the same way that anyone else in golf is dying and the figure in the latest i'm a cigarette. the other updates i sold was a 168 on the staff members have been killed by these ladies. what's the long term effective arresting, united nations employees? does this action hurt the is really, is more than it hurts the united nations, or does this hamper unreliability to do its job in places other than gaza? well, certainly it's done a huge amount of reputational damage to the is waiting on me. remember who would

that rock when he was 4 minutes famously said that these way the army was the most moral army in the world. and he set how the pretty high standards by which is streets, but to be judged. and um, you know, that means that, that probably being judged according to the highest standards in those countries were always state health, defense ministers to go in st. louis. so those, those things, mr bar, i'm afraid, which is a role for that. and then it's because i'm not quiz. um, so yes, i think this huge reputation was going to be here. we have the country. so who owns a group of people for whom the word genocide was created? a commit single b i. c, j has cooled, a plausible genocide against, against people who don't supplies. so how great a risk to the companies reputation come one gets either committing genocide with yourself as genocide switched against you. and that's pretty damaging,

i would say. so in this way the side i think is, well, is now i think more of a prostate that it's ever be in its history. on the other side, of course, it makes it very difficult to staff members to operate this huge problem of morale . as you can imagine, a 106 year stuff members killed him as a cooling treatment, but made a mistake about that. i mean i'm, it has 13000 staffing, gaza, they all to a person. i'm committed to humanitarians. and as the buttons have dropped colleagues in full, the colleagues of mine does continue to guess the office of continued to report the gc but, but yes, it's a, it's a big problem. and i would also say that so on else what i mentioned, the idea that they work, in other words, and jordan, syria and lebanon, as well as the west bank and gaza. it's pulling to see your colleagues being boned and but isn't killed in this way. so yeah, it has

a know kind of fact i think on the rest of them across the region. christopher gun, his former united nations relief and works agency spokesman, thank you so much for joining us. it's my pleasure to be with you on the speak to again. so you know, general norman schwarzkopf, the former commander of the us central command, who led us forces in the liberation of kuwait. once said, the truth of the matter is that you always know the right thing to do. the hard part is doing it. we're seeing that right now and guys, lots of people is rarely politicians and is really soldiers, especially know the right thing to do. they know they should respect human rights. they know they shouldn't bom, hospitals and clinics. they know that they should allow shipments of food, water and medicine, and yet they don't. that's why we need organizations like unreal. every person in the world deserves dignity, freedom, food, water, medical care, and peace, and employees of the united nations have the right to do their jobs in peace and

security. so i'd like to thank our guests, chris, for goodness, for enlightening us today. and thanks to our viewers for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers, i'm john kerry. aku, we'll see you next time. the. 2 the oh, sure, seem wrong. just don't to shape out because the application and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look so common ground the

headlines, right? doing all to you international as most go makes a legal request to a number of western states them bonding. they reveal any data or about foreign involvement in power types in russia or both of the following. the deadly a pulse of whole months ago and months ago, 2 weeks ago. meantime, disturbing images are ahead of the world and federal kitchen accusers the idea of all that deliberately killing 7 of his staff members in gaza. the red crescent organization claims 8 workers have been systematically targeted throughout the con . what happened to the team? it happened this fine because the nation is ready to operate. does not respect this, pull the nation on the deliberately access to miles, targeting and age workers.