situation again in ukraine saying that russia had spent 10 years trying to explain why move west and interference and ukraine, how the problems relating to finding the russian language and culture media. we're going to lead to a worse event. and he said, russia has spent a long time trying to explain the reasons behind it. so called special military operation in ukraine, going to countries around the world, giving its points of view. he said, while the west, uh, particularly the us just sent me going in and tried to bully other nations saying that if they failed to join the west and the sanctions against russia, so that you could also find themselves sanctioned those that some of the comments made by the russian foreign minister, such a lawful who's been talking at the wounds use festival on the russian black sea coast. well that's it from us. we'll be back with news in around 30 minutes for the moment. so it's so wrecked in

the time right. sanchez, i've been doing news bout for 30 years and 2 languages all over the world. here in the united states, have interviewed for presidents and i'm also working for the united states as major television networks. i'm not crazy about what they do. see, i do think news should be impactful, but more importantly, it needs to be honest and direct. and this is direct impact the for, i don't want to start with something really cool. so there's this image that's part of american history. it's not our best image, but it's perhaps the most iconic visual of the war in vietnam and, and it,

and it's in the news again because of something that some politicians are trying to push through, which i am going to eventually explain to you. but 1st, so let's talk about the image here. it is. that is what the end of the vietnam war looked like. a more that by the way, as you're looking at that image, a war that we lost. and that's important. see, i think it's important to admit that we lost that war. you know why 1st? because despite what defense contractors are politicians and the media who served them want us to believe it's the truth. and that's important. and 2nd, because that war was very on democratic, it wasn't a war that americans chose, in fact, it wasn't even a war that our elected officials chose. no, it was a war chosen by and for c, i a, let's do this now. let's go back to that image of the helicopter at the us embassy

. and so i got because i want to show you something there. you see that see that image. what's happening in that image is that the vehicle who us troops spent more than a decade battling or about to take over their country and us soldiers, their friends and their families, were scurrying to get out of the country. get out of sight gone. but there's something about that image that you need to know about. like most things having to do with the war. i think the over whelming number of american people think that this was an air force helicopter on top of the u. s embassy. it wasn't 10 deaths and one of the most tragic and controversial chapters in us history and their america had been there every step of the way. no, it wasn't. it was an air america helicopter, and the man to the right is a c. i. a agent which is befitting because if there's such a thing is the beginning of the div state,

it probably happened around the time of the vietnam war. you know, why? because we now know that the bulk of that war and south east asia was started and conducted by an intelligent community made of elected. or should i say, all the elected officials who had absolutely no accountability of the us congress, or even though he was military. so if you're asking, what is this air america thing you're talking about, rick sanchez? let me explain. this is fascinating. you're gonna love this. they were a secret air force made up of civilian pilots, recruited by the c i a who reported only to them because they owned c. i a did the entire operation. almost everybody at one time, another headphone special project mentions of some type or another where they were briefed and, and told him, maintain secrecy. and a lot of time he really didn't even know what the project was. you were told to go to a certain place and accomplish a certain thing. and if you didn't have

a need to know, he didn't ask any questions. but you know who was asking questions at the time. the vietnamese, they were sick and tired of the french who had invaded them, occupied them, and seemed to want to tell them what type of government they should choose. the fall of the n b and food brought an end to a century, a french colonial presence, an indo china. essentially it became the end of the frontier and the beginning of an american year. so when the french were finally beaten back and they gave up and surrendered, somebody else stepped up to once again and tell the vietnamese what to do and how to jews and run their government. and who do you think that was? if you guess, see, i would be right and they did it with the help of none other than air america who executed their heavy work from a secret mountain hideout and allows a country that borders vietnam and a huge error. american c. r,

a complex this dirt strip quickly became one of the world's biggest airports that place that you're looking at right there. that's a long chat, and they are the see. i recruited and exploited the minority population of people who were called mon. and so they paid by the way and they outfitted and they trained to fight the north vietnamese, the united states. so all the mom is being able to act as surrogates in terms of not having to introduce american troops into the area. so the central intelligence agency gave them long training and modern arms, so air america, pilots, and other employees were said to be or pretended to be working for a private transportation company. but their true mission was pretty simple, beat back and destroy the new government of vietnam because c, i officials believed it was simply too cozy to friendly with china. from the

beginning files, particularly those were involved in the covert operations side of, of the flying that were aware that they were at least working for the central intelligence agency. there was no attempt over to the skies. this at the secret was the ownership of the company, and there was only a handful, a dozen, perhaps out of several 100. that was no, that's the company was in fact, owned by the central intelligence agency. with practically nonexistent oversight, error america under the direction of the sea. i did what i wanted to do when ever it wanted to do it. and they also seem to answer directly to only one person who was also not an elected official. that happened to have the name, henry kissinger. and every night this information was coded and set down to just mag in bangkok,

back to washington and kissinger. yes. the vietnam war ended in failure for the u. s. military. it brought about the death of almost $60000.00 us troops and disastrous consequences for many of the people of vietnam and cambodia. and especially for the la ocean monk who were almost wiped out of leaving their children, were recruited and forced to fight in what was by then a lost cause towards the end, they were very few young man. we did our best to keep the 13 and 14 year olds out of the out of the line. but they did show up. and there was just the terrible and tragic loss of the young man is among nations. for all practical purposes, most of a generation among was destroyed. one would think that us

politicians, members of the intelligence community, the military by brass and others, would have learned something from the horrors and the failures that we all suffered as a country from the vietnam war. we did, in fact, that model that was ushered in with arrow america, the secret air force accountable to no one but the c i a continued operating human expanded similar emissions in parts of africa. iran, latin america. in fact, some would say that it became even more brazen with attempted political assassinations fomented clothes and secret or proxy armies. but finally, finally in 1976, one long us senator stood up to the c. i a and said by stuff enough. and as a result, the us select committee, led by frank church, determine that what they weren't doing with just on democratic and it was wrong and it was cruel. and it's sense. so in a report detailing what they had done 6 link free books of information, they put up. now you would have thought, right?

you would have thought that that would have put an end to it, but did it. and then it stopped the so called deep state as it is often called the answer to that question. arrived in the 1980s the border between nicaragua and its neighbour, honduras, where the contracts are based, becomes a war zone. the sand and east is declare a state of emergency and begin to remove peasants from villages in the area that includes the brutal relocation of the mosquito in use. that is one, many of the same error america. pilots who flew in vietnam were tied to another c i a led scandal which this time included elaborate arms deals with a ron and a drug running operation in central america that became known as the iran contra affair. american powers for interesting projects all over the place, 2 and a half of the middle east. we had

a lot of helicopter pilots around up and i ran right up until the shawl left in the tower showed up. so there you have that is how many argue it all again, call it the state, colorado on democratic policies, or maybe it's just foreign policy, run a mark, whatever it is, whatever you want to call it. we can say that it likely began with something called air america, which is once again, that is why, well, let me explain the americans and the news because of something being called the air america act offered by none other than republican senator marker rubio, who wants to guarantee the retirement benefits of the official milledge and official military recognition to those 1000 or so us citizens. there may be more to work for the company. worked for air america

to start when we come back, we're going to be joined by none other than john kerry ok. now he works for the c i . c wants to have a conversation about this and i guarantee you it's going to be a good one. the the purpose of the initial issue and what is patients you understand like, especially if the youngest of the motor polls show me, appreciate the and chatting with them. awesome. the hands of showing shootings on our to them. we have some sort of forward and i'm wondering if somebody wants to split that are some don't flesh which one of the patients me know to the most. if the use of that opinion. good, good. and there's nobody know him, you know, the expect the smoke but, and what is the isn't boy, most of the grammar and the boys easy.

the way to somewhere blown. that's the money being. and then assuming anthony is my key within the united nation, then you know, lane continues and interest personally, those are the products and here, but the just sort of, you mean for the southern is in the

the was a major issue. i'm pretty junior, by giving the against the show insurance move up, i need to push it the code and because of the issue simply with blue cross, you will get to the signatures up. okay, so should the cases i chose customer care them and then i think that it just doesn't mean you guys to put them on the on the road. literally g u

level for you was it was the term. yes, that's the most important thing to the of the risk adjusted is the, this is sort of you, but you certainly successful. we want to build some of the chairs are still good. i still need another i'm forward to for so from the, to my get a feel for in the all right, let's get through it before we run out of time. very is john kerry echo. let's have a conversation about this dss stating story. it is and, and the fact most people don't even know about this. i didn't know whatever america was. well, the see, i never even came out with an acknowledgement that error america was a part of the c i until well into the 19 ninety's, maybe after 2000 and it's amazing. they just went around america picking out

civilian pilots and they created a company that wasn't really a company. it was. busy run by that, that's right, and that's kind of how we got into the vietnam war before the soldiers got there. and you know, an interesting part of the story. what has come out just in the last couple of weeks as part of the story is that it wasn't just weapons and, and rockets and mortars and things like that. they were carrying water, buffalo and chicken, and drugs and drugs. and you know, this is how and i'm not saying no, i sighed, i've read the, i've done my research on this and i've heard some of the pilots who said, look, it's unfair to say we were a drug running operate. yeah. but it's also unfair to refute the fact that we had drugs as part of our car, and that was it. and that was, and that's how we know this from, from convicted drug. uh. can you paint? yeah, in new york city, for example, who said that they got most of their drugs from southeast asia, thanks to error america. pilots who were moonlighting and then they did the same thing. remember the half of the 1st case?

that's right. they did the same things in the uh, like a rod. what else? salvador and hundreds. that's right, right? that's right. that's the interesting thing about this is and this important question because i've, i've got friends of mine who were in the military and we had an argument about this . the other day. i said, do these guys deserve a pension and do they deserve military recognition? and they were adamantly saying, absolutely not, i agree, you know, a contractor is not a soldier. that's it, that's it. these were, but it's, there were more tend to mercenaries than they were to soldiers. everything they did was off the books. you asked a very good question. i know it was a rhetorical one, big left, a good question in your intro, and that is where it was the oversight. there was no oversight. these guys were free to do literally anything they wanted. they were breaking the law every single day that they had those contracts. do you think it's the be the way i wrote this story? cuz the more i looked into it, the more fascinated i was, it seemed to me that this was the origins of what later

became the div state or whatever we call today that each day, whatever they have about it, right. but that there's some, the various outfit out there often times the and the c i a has, it's a, it's technicals involved in that. me that makes decisions that don't go through congress, don't go through the president and somehow affect all of us anyway. that's right. i think, i think you've hit the nail on the head and it's continued until today. you know, when there's no oversight, when there is no rule of law, when there's nobody to say, no, you can't do that. then that is a deep state. you don't just just this week we learned that and a say rather than to go to court and to get a, a warrant, for example, is just going to i s p as in big tech companies in buying meta data on american citizens. it's the same thing, it's all an extension of this deep states that began with an organization like air

mass. so you, you, you can uh, fill us in on how this thing can work. i understand there are things, the c i a must do because they are important and they must be done in such a way so that they don't become public. sure. is that fair? the way i just phrase has to look. and so i'm not saying everything has to be told right after they do it. however, if something reaches the point where people are dying and soldiers are being given, missions, bombing runs are being executed. isaac, somebody who's an elected official, at least, if not the entire population needs to know. absolutely right and listen, lowe's, you talked about louse being the base of air america, allow us with a neutral country. at the time, we pulled those poor people into a conflict that they didn't need to be. and we, we talked about 60000, almost 60000 americans being killed in vietnam. maybe as many as 2000000 visit

means. what about the people of laos? yeah. their country is still completely up to the city. we built the lawn chair with an airport. that's what we used to do military operations, including the la la oceans, to attack the v as a means. now i don't like the fact that the vietnamese chose communism. i don't what communism? sure. but if you want to choose communism in your an independent country, that's your damn business. that's it. i don't understand. i've never understood what i hear. he was there. all the comment is again, i don't. what kind of is it? that's like a huge too much walker. i'm not going to kill him. you know? like so. so this whole idea that we had back then, which i think still sort of exist today is. i don't like the form of government that they've chosen. i don't like the guy that they elected. i don't like their prime minister, the damn business. i mean, you can change it, but you can't attack them. you're exactly right. you know, so many of us who have been in washington for a long time and have been in these circles for a long time. are now using the taliban as an example. everybody's

a terrorist. now what does it tell us what the thing is? we can do, he can who, who are the tell up on, they are the high bins and fathers and sons and brothers of ask and people, they didn't come down from the moon, from outer space and impose themselves on us. can they happen now to be the government and they're the governmental one to find a way to change them internally by not killing them. that's it. because when you killed them, you're just going to make more of them that i think only crazy. yes, no, you're 100 percent, correct. and that is exactly what our mistake was in southeast asia. the question that i raised, i think at the beginning, i don't know if you agree with this, but i've growing up. i'm a child of the vietnam war. i think you've sure to we all are who are over a certain age we, when i watch the media cover, vietnam and iraq at a lot of our conflagrations, i get the sense they're afraid to admit what happened there. such a gloss over it like it was like, you know, oh yeah. rock. no, we evaded the country. we shouldn't been bated vietnam,

barbara's actions that we did there, and we should explain these things so we don't do them again. we don't do that now . and rick, you know, i've said a number of times in interviews and i think it bears repeating. i remember sitting in on a secure video teleconference chaired by vice president dick cheney the day before we invaded iraq. and i remember one of the senior directors at the national security council saying, as soon as we cross that border, they're going to throw flowers at us. mm hm. and i went back to my office and i said to my boss, to these people know nothing about history. and the answer unfortunately is yes, they know nothing about history. we have learned since that many of our soldiers, many of our diplomats, many of the c i, a guys that we had in those countries did not speak the language. and they did not understand the culture. and basically lived so far apart from the rest of the population, they never got a chance to understand what true rockies are instead of what they call them. rocky iraqi. yeah. by the way, it's not even pronounced that way. you more on like,

you know, pardon me for saying that, but you're, you're right when we were so distant from something we should at least have some kind of sense of culturally. yeah. and we don't, we don't. and we don't make any effort to, you know, meet these wars happen all the time. i hate to say. but just, you know, in, in our adult lives we can, we can start with a grenade, for example, i was there and go all the way through the what we're doing now in, in the red sea, with uh, with the amenities. and we never learn the lesson. we never learn languages, we never learn culture and we don't immerse ourselves in, in the foreign cultures that we're supposed to be. you're studying. what's really cool about you is you're one of the few people and you know, you're a courageous guy because you are a whistle blower. you actually still have to say, no, we, we know guys, we can't do this and it's wrong. why isn't there more of that or is there and what's the culture like in that building?

now there are more the best explanation is something that a new york times reporter told me. he told me 2 things. number one, he said, the day of my arrest, every one of the new york times national security sources went silent, and they stayed silent for 6 months. and 2nd was something that both a reporter and one of my attorneys told me, they said, this case isn't about you. this case is about frightening everybody else in the intelligence community to make sure that they keep their mouth shut. mm hm. that's what it's about. it's gotta be tougher now for someone to want to be honest because of the technology though. yes. you know, in the old days i could like pick up the phone. i didn't think it would be tapped, or i could just have somebody contact somebody and say, let's meet at a bar or restaurant. man, there's cameras everywhere. it's everywhere. yeah, it's every week just me and pop. it must be very difficult to be a truth teller and your phone can track you even if the phone is off. yeah. so it's

almost impossible you, you have to go night in order to prevent of having to light in the, in the 17th century, a group of british called lights were angry at the industrial revolution because they were new machines that were taking their jobs. so they went into the factories in the middle of the night and they destroyed all the machine. yeah. and, and they want to be like living and some little place in the pennsylvania or something. yeah, exactly. it's the only way to protect yourself. you know, during the watergate scandal or in the events leading up to the watergate scandal deep through the source, the b, eyesore. yes. would only meet with uh, with bob woodward in a parking garage. it was the only send the flowers on balconies and stuff. i don't question to you since you said the deep throat. let me give you another deep it is . so is there a deep state and how would you define it? oh yeah, there is a deep state. you don't have to call it a deep state. you can call it the state, you can call it the federal bureaucracy,

but any group of powerful and elected people who know that they can out with a president, powerful and elected people who know they could outweigh the present. that's a deep state. that's actually a good description of what i think is happening too often in this country. and it goes beyond trump and beyond democrat, always and beyond republicans and beyond bite. and then beyond titans and beyond obama. it's bigger than all of them, and it ain't good. it's not, john, it's a pleasure to talk to you. a great life is all mine. thanks for the that's really, really good. and you thanks so much for joining us today. you know, you hear it when you listen to john. his experiences, what he's been to and it's so important to be able to get that perspective before i go, i do want to remind you of our mission here. and it's simple really to the side of the world to have conversations like this. we tend to live in these little boxes where we think the truth flip proof don't live in boxes, troops everywhere,

temperatures, and i'll be looking for you again, right here we have provide a, direct him, the 1937 militaristic. japan started a full scale invasion of china. the invading army was rapidly advancing towards the capital of the republic of china. the dies, the city of not seeing, leaving behind the burned down villages and thousands of the dead. on december 13th, the japanese occupied non z and states the real massacre. for 6 weeks,

the invaders exterminated the civilian population. they carried out mass executions, rates, women, and were engaged, been merciless robbery. ruthless competition of 2 officers of the imperial army. go see i'd be my guide and to yoshi, no to gain particular notoriety. they competed with each other as to who would be the fastest to kill $100.00 chinese with a sword. this monstrous competition was widely reported in the japanese press. the nuns being massacre claims the lives of about 300000 people and became one of the largest crimes against humanity in the world history. after world war 2, manufactures advance of the atrocity phase trial. however, the commander of the japanese army in the non seeing operation freezes, yasu lee to a socket,

was able to escape the responsibility due to the interference of the american administration. the hello and welcome to cross the full course. here we discussed some real in

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