or i'm action or times and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai, in the u. a. as a global south prepares for august brick summit tomorrow marks 76. he is in c, i in bricks, india, one, it's independence from britain. the now most populous country in the world would re gain sovereignty, but also be politicians 76 years ago today in violence that would kill window displays tens of millions into years come a long way since then. now the 3rd largest economy by p b in the top 5 along with russia, china, and the usa, but now in the year is on the rise. what threats are facing adjoining me now from its capital. new delhi is one of india's most famous politicians. and intellectuals, indian national congress, m p, and former of the secretary general of the united nations. doctor strategy for thank you so much. this is because you for coming back on can, is ration, is you didn't become president of the congress policy. i thought you're going to good clinch that by the time that you an extra ongoing undergrads. i should that you just said it was us a very resign during the season. and i have been a,

since you haven't been the most successful news in the history of come respond to your actions, which i suppose is, is a kind of modest consultation. what has to pack away of the, at the bottom of was a lot of strong sure. it will happen one day before we get to independence. i better just quickly ask you because the world is looking at these. yeah. what would biden's ending? victoria newland down to the i'm a a and a lot of people talking about these. yeah. because it's a source of uranium for nuclear weapons and nuclear power 25 percent going to the u . v. r, as well to the former indian indian on voyage. and he just said, as well as india's relations with these air concerned, the overall relationship is not going to be damaged by that much warranty. plastic response, then say, paris or washington talking about full scale invasion then? yes, i think you're probably getting some of those are supposed to be right. that is a basic relationship with uh, with these. yeah. and indeed with most doctors and advocates has tended to be free

of its, of its own democratic credentials and convictions. as attended by large to, to avoid the kind of sort of model advising the western countries or nations of african countries. i do partially be causing the focus on national interest. and partially because in depths, i think has realized that sometimes different standards would need to be applied in situations in which countries have to govern themselves as best they can go to what's best they can middle of necessarily match the standards. if you'd like to set the well, well, some, some of the same revolution, some is saying the revolutionary government does more democratic credentials than the us the, they go back one uh, the preceded hits. so who knows who gets a go to to be sure exactly what they've produced, largest, yes, i think we'll have to seats as they settled down. there is also, as you know, the legend demands for regularly and most of the group to be involved in the right now sizes are coming in all that takes the direction of the government and,

and how they behave, what also remains to be seen. now we've seen what is a big c i a basic media. let's put an offer, $1000000000.00. what into the into that area. so clearly this is the size of proxy war and i given it's 76, he is independence, and the brutal partition indian wants to fight it seems to me on this geo political stage with nuclear pockets. time is fighting with new k, a china off the time. and this is while the global south, including the jab again of 5. so including brazil, including the south east asia. they're all talking about this new world. india is fighting with pockets the with china. i think you being critical with the working with the rush or i mean don't you one russian energy is a new indian is there in the indian political class, completely unaware of this new world order and it's breaking out nbc made one clean that all of these measures are you saying this? i see, i think of being a little on just because lucky and bosses adversary's who have in both cases

initiates its actions that have force us in the obligation to defend ourselves. but having said that, nobody in, even though human are investigators in these situations is contemplating anything by way of a new care engaged. so we're looking at what have been struggling with the chinese minus stablish is on the frontier. the one of them was use enough for us to use 20 soldiers in one episode with the chinese. i will, buckets on the side, it's not being directory, confrontation with the box on the armies, but rather with militants, instead of re sent across from that side. so we, we had a long way, short of new care conflict invest what you're concerned about. certainly everyone was also bringing the heads wouldn't be concerned about the prospect a new k was, but it's not exactly human and nor do i seems like it has been coming in. but what i will say, however, is that every country has a responsibility to hook up this national security. and we're not exactly living in a safe neighborhood. we've government insurance on both side,

2 sides of us and we need to be a series of reality. and so to be careful. yeah, you see even the way you said belligerence on both side sounds like the, the old world give me i'm well, india is doing lloyd austin was there in india on june, june of this year, 5 year road map to count. it's showing the regina thing was there to hear about us a weapon. sales to india had combat land mobility surveillance intelligence. munitions basically is um, in the are a bit likely european union. i mean, the united states wants to fight russia through your grain, and you'll find china through india. and we've seen what it's done to the european union because germany is in recession. and the many people are talking about europe's demise. india continues in this way. is it actually a vassal states on the 75th? and 6th, none of us are the mc one option is dealt with india knows i know, and guess to use india to pursue any other objective of outsourcing and as interest, i don't think that's in getting governments with a lot of except we use in 76 years since independence,

and i can assure you that they would be absolutely no tolerance for playing anybody else's game if the rest are selling ourselves. that's because that's good business for them. and of course it's happens to coincide with some of that g o strategic objectives. unaware of buying those items, just because we need to not because we are willing to pay anybody else has been the truth is that we are and, and visit those situations are pretty simple. um suppliers itself running shorter weapon rates because of its water, new crate. oh, we have to diversify services and we go to the us content. defronzo intent is ropes and this is not surprising. we'd also to, and i'm sure to other countries that used to be in this will be a little bit not might have spare parts for some of the russian ribbon. are you still huge, obviously, that obviously the power of india and maybe in your constituency and carrier that will be saying you can spend the money more cleverly than that by military arms. but i should also say the us state department, matthew miller, lincoln's man at the, in washington said, you know,

the us regularly raises human rights concerns with india. we've done that in the past with india and we'll do that in the future just just for the past few weeks. this is what the united states thinks of india. it's a human rights violating country while simultaneously trying to make cash out of india by selling them uh, the general atomics of you avi's $2000000000.00. i think you just spent on it know to get better already shoes in india like being the opposition policies have been raising consistently, but we don't go and asking western countries to do our work for us. we where is issues as part of our response to rule as an opposition in democracy. and we will challenge our government. but um, but i think by large it's up to indians to solve their own problems. whether in relation to human rights or anything else, or you cannot make policy political approaches, bottom policy. these are methods are the subjects for database within the indian context. but we are, we are not particularly on either side of the political aisle welcoming,

of foreign interference and these issues. well, you being critical of moody things too close to russia and isn't the point here that joseph bar l, the you the believe good european union foreign minister said your up is a god and the rest of the world is a jungle. i mean, it's only is that your ex colonial rule is those, those countries in your because portugal was there in the india. i mean, they bang a c and here's a cash cow. now as it's economically has risen in the past decades. and while navigating this movie is trying to navigate it and your last thing, we should be close to the washington as the congress body does, under some video, simplifying my position dramatically. first of all, let me stress and reaction to that comment. then gardens, maybe more comfortable, but john, those are more interesting. so i think i'm going to be where, where people find that interesting challenges facing the number one. number 2, i did not say that in this too close to russia. i fully understand that it was

possible that a person, instead of a long time, i simply said that on the ukraine massa, that india had failed, especially initially to uphold principles that it is to sorry to sit by her 7 big change, including these sovereignty of states being violent, but to see a voters of the investment in of visibility of use a force to settle international disputes. so i said, since i didn't hear you say one word about that when uh, when off to the us who in care of there was shedding and killing 14000 people in east and ukraine. i didn't see you make one speech in the congress saying uh that the ukrainians were killing 14000 people in east and ukraine. why now you re reciting to me, washington talking points. olivia, you were in the us and isn't it this 2nd general one involves a into a member states of the united submissions violating the sovereignty of another. the other involves a government of a recognized member stage of the un attaching

a portion of what is seen internationally as its own territory. there is a difference and i think on these messages, countries like india, can you afford to surrender the principals because that surrender will and could be used against us in parts of our own country such as, for example, if me is so i, i, i'm very consistent with my approach, so we need to stand by the principles of your more is always all fails for the last 7 decades. it's nothing against russia as a, as a friend, it's against russia's pacific action. it's likely people can do wrong things. this was a wrong thing. and we had to point to that, but i will say that india has to fight its own battles. and india has to stand up for its own security. and for each and every responsible in doing citizen what supports the governments all being that we show a policy, they may be from as long as they take responsible actions to progress,

to protect national security. we won't be critical where the governments i've seen is immune, sufficiently muscular, as we find has been the case of the china border. well, obviously russia sees that the battle in europe is existential. and as a proportion of the population of the un general assembly, the majority of humanity didn't vote for the resolution condemning russia for it. so patients in, in ukraine and what you just said, give me those vision as well as the it might with the shanghai cooperation organization, idea of a new security world. does this really? i mean it's, it's more of the old world of game you're talking about india or is that while the rest of the global south are all talking about a new security architecture, hocking back pads due to band doing and then on line move with as well. in the, as you know, as, as in some ways been playing,

it's all sides. it's chad. the su, chairing the g. 20. i activated the brakes. uh, it has. it has in many ways, tried to keep all the channels of communication and of good relations products, and i think that's and so where is this being a tough act to pull off, which india so far managed to do well then without them taking icing? anybody else is heading into the bridge? somebody in south africa in the spirit, very much off. i'll sort of baptists of patients. there are important issues before reaching clearing the possibility of its expansion, which fits into what you're talking about. the emergence of new configurations. why are the same time it has actually reaffirmed its role in the g 20 during its chairmanship? so i think, i think you have to give credit to india for not presenting in a way that can less it'd be tied cost on one side, all the other of what you're seeing as a global divide, especially for i'll stop you the more from the indian national congress and being for the indian external affairs minister after this break,

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increasingly hard for small businesses to make it abundant. stocks are important. i mean, who wants to fish the last bit, the message i would leave to you is the importance of not giving up the importance of working together and also the importance of taking care of your corner of the ocean. the welcome back to building on the garden. i'm still here with one of the news was famous politicians and intellectuals, indian national congress and b, w shushing through joshua. you were talking about the brakes in a few days time at the, at the end of the month. in south africa. i do think good. you are right to criticize breaks for platitudes, rather than action. we had to go to neil for the goldman sachs boss who coined the term brake on the show. and he said the economy's have to be careful about how they say dispose of dollar debts in nature nation. you know, your opinion, data is as the rise of brakes happens, you do,

you don't want to see the acceleration of the dumping of data in this new bricks. well, the order of the dollar eyes ation. well, we don't really know how far that's going to go, and i think there's been some conversation about this, but nothing's changing anything remotely like a formal shape. the individual government sort of taking individual actions. and i think governments are going to be guided by what they see as being their own interest makes extremely interesting issues going on in the, in the bridgestone text. best of all, it's going to be very widely attended. i gather the invitations to attend the summit. i'm up just for the the 5 meters and a 5 member countries, up to 67 meters across africa, left in america, in the caribbean. and on top of that, the 20 degrees, including the sectors of the united nations, the jap, personally, the african union. and the president has a new developing bank. i'm old and invited. so well, we are looking at the much larger sources context for breaks business the,

those are going to be attending. and there's going to be open discussion of something that some members have been pursuing more heavily than other than that is expensive. but adding adding new members. now i know there's some skepticism by some there's more willingness for others. but um, in order to suggest that tax breaks is boys for an evolution that might indeed make it more relevant rather than less because as it shoots certainly have had problems and organizations like to come and roast. i love the british set of risk on default to go that way. it has to find a certain clear relevance coming off of this, this bridge. and i'm not sure i'm not sure on the brick fleet is would like it to be compared to the to the kweisi imperial commonwealth. but i say we, we use what that is huge and that's what i reminded me of we've, we've had little on this show brazil obviously taking a big lead to be russia massively involved in this new diesel arise ation world. china very much involved. south africa, there was

a recent conference in st. petersburg talking about the close to us between the african nations away from the i m f and well banks. again and again, it isn't the i, that's the india. that's the problem here because it has problems with china. you're talking about the fact that you should basically be condemning rush. you're over you grain, and i'm not sure what the, what you want to say about south africa and brazil is india. and this is not a bit of a problem. yeah. it is actually a very good relationship with both of us. again, brazil. and indeed, there is a separate organization of the 3 of them called himself endeavors of south africa, which is actually gone some of his own developing projects going on and dates respective countries. us out every day is the smallest rich country as a globe both in terms of population and perhaps in terms of the size of the economy . but they were the 1st beneficiaries of expansion when britain became bruce. and i would argue that now with a group that comes to more than 40 percent of the population and about 26 percent

of the global economy out, there is the emergence of what everyone sees as an alternative for 4 countries. um, to develop new diplomatic channels, which indeed all 3 of these conditional dominant western college. and i think the, you know, we've been seeing that we've been hearing a lot of talk of the decline into increasing get a relevance or some, what's adjust of a normal line movement breaks could be the new, clear. so something that's, that's the, in a sense is a successor to them on the line move much, not as large. and as i'm really as non alignment about perhaps capable of more focused engagement. i would say that that, that as long as countries like brazil in india have the kinds of use that have and i've seen is having the, the credit ability in the clouds that have no one is going to accuse breaks of just being a cash pool to russian and chinese infants about time we have to agency. i think the how these things go. what comes out from the the break somebody's cups. yeah.

the logo questions, questions? some of the i googled your ballistics are very important, but they will be discussions on trade and be discussions on a china is major leap on infrastructure developments in many of the british countries. i think i think we're going to have to see some, some pretty solid progress coming out of this, this meeting and 2 things on the impression of expansion because there are 23 pending up positions in your books images. and i think that again is something that is bound to be of some concern, a to, to some members and brazil has been open to skeptical for example, of enlargement. india has been surprising that there's more welcoming and, and we know that we know that russia and china have been quite keen on seeing some new members coming in from china, i think is obviously the main driver for expansion of bruce. so i think there's, there's a lot of questions yet, a lot of possible trends. we love to see how it made as a mobile unites brazil,

i mean, lula was obviously imprisoned because of a defacto us back who he said. so in this show, we know what russia thinks of washington, we know web result, things of washington. we know what china thinks of washington and the google vessels dates of your and we know what south africa things you trust them, don't you? i mean, you and the congress body of india seem to trust the united states and european union countries as a, as nation's that you're going to do masses of arms deals with and attempt to side with what, why is india still? you're exaggerating that rule. it almost blazing all this as a useful element, but it's by no means dominant. none of these countries is principally, for example, not so none of these countries as the principal element and the relationship of lloyd austin was there. as i said on june, a 5 year roadmap for india for you. i mean there was 0 um from the united states

coming to indian to any way then uh, $20000000000.00. that's right because they're selling guessing. but we believe we needed, which frankly, i would be more or more than just been civil and we have a sense of why do you think it'll work? why do you think american arms will work? because it's clearly being blown to pieces in the training but battlefront. but as far as you know, some of the media say exactly the opposite that it's the russian ups that have not been over your grades advertisement for the weapons supplies. i, i'm not a ministry man, i'm going to stay away from that. but i've seen both both kinds of arguments and more, more to the point to the same as it rushes docs, 100 pieces. with each passing day they will when you print, making them less and less likely to be a reliable supplier, a more rep agreeing most parents. i think we certainly need to diversify our sources. i want to stress that india has always tried to preserve its own sense of

autonomy by maintaining good relations with all sides and to maintain the channels of communication as well as on sales, as well as trade with all sides. um, even with china, even off to china can 20 of us. so just a trade relationship has actually gone up, which this may some of us. but it also applies to the fact that this is an increase in gains independent growth when it comes to trade and commerce. and no one can afford to be finished to your buddy who wants to change risk. so all of these things i have to say to wait for your refers to the us functions. i mean, penny, the united states and nato countries. i'm not happy with india buying. i think more energy from russia than ever before in the past few days. so you'll complete before the how they see it as breaking their sanctions, the, the, you on so as to be trading with russia. yes, and i would say that as far as treatment rushes concerned, it isn't in does national interest. but i would argue that one might be overstating all the happy. the western countries over this because you know,

russian or you goes into the mix of all of it is important oil which is end refined and india. and the step is to sell to the us and the u. k. anyway. so really ready countries and, and sanctioned russia are indirectly benefiting from russian oil once for 5 months . it's for finding india as well as up. do you have the effect of the, the india buying russian or stabilizers water prices? because it's not, it would be adding to the number of countries competing for the risk of was or is, or, or in supplies. and that would drive the price is up with the pump for consumers in america, bread and the rest of your. so you're looking at a broad picture. i think you would genuine, you have to understand that what he is doing is not in fact uh isn't. why wouldn't turn it around and say just it is in the interest of the west as well as of india? i was a restaurant or not. yeah. that, that isn't the regularly coverage on the us and european television channels. what you just said, that i was not sure what i was ask you about him wrong. com. it was on this show

clearly detailed washington's role in his over the role as he saw as he. so it is a washington capitalize to, i mean, the closest to it, it's, india is come to washington directly affecting your region and the problems on the geo political problems of face india today. no, i'm quite sure the state ends on the buckets on situation. we believe is focused on it used to work out for months themselves. we all know that where is other countries you can say that the state has an offer in buckets on the, on the has a space and no head of government has been able to survive so far in the 76 years of existence. it means that head of government has folded the father, billy. so in every case as in this uneasy co existence between the civilian leadership and the ministry, i think the side of the time the ministry has ruled, the country director. and the rest of the time is rule the country in directory by

controlling who gets to be prime minister. i don't think we have a dog even despises expression goes and i certainly would not have toilet expect any. and in a pharmacy agency or individual or government lead us to interfere in the slightest way out of pocket stuff and wrong tongue was a bus and friend of mine before he became prime minister. i'm very happy to come to him as one but tough. but as an indian, all i can do is sit back and watch and see what happens. rub us as, as the process plays itself out in a neighboring country. i think most indians want to see a staple bucket sun, because instability and bucket stuff is bonded to spill one way or the other and talk about how that stability is insured. who, by and was looking at the helm, is really not in our hands, nor should it be unusual. simply watching risk. well, the pocket sondra. additionally, always close to china. do you think that and then i needed to visit info one that the united states will use india against china over taiwan? i don't think india is right still being used by anybody ever. i don't think any

country is so fine. 76. yes. where you said that the whole, but i mean if, if the american warships with down the which side is indeed going to be on, it's just going to layoff the can watch. it's going to be involved in the indian sites with china and india as problems with china or the land border. there are no american troops in india. you're talking about a jewish strategic. if you'd like just name what people in the back rose. i'll suggest board. i'm looking at the big picture for where we are. i unfortunately engage our bibles eyeball with the chinese is on the snow, you race of them others and it's all in the lab. then it's got nothing to do with the american war search. okay. and they're american soldiers all around india. it has to be said, i've just been sort of this not, no, not in the saw there around india. if india continues to disobey the, i say that kind of rules being given to europe and countries as to what to do in terms of foreign policy and how to trade and who to sanction i,

i don't know whether you believe biding was behind the north stream uh, bombing at do you think, and you will never come to be threatened in the, in bigger ways than just the state department in the past few days saying your human rights allows the a visit. i didn't need to some completion, but i will say that if it ever comes to that, we know how to take care of law search. i'm not somebody who worries the buy from is going to threaten us at the moment. we are aware of the existing threats and i've identified a couple of them. and then we hope to diffuse and, but we are not going to be making foreign policy out for fifths, nor are we going to be making it out of ours and complacency we will keep on our toes. we will certainly project our own security interest and we will ensure that our strategic autonomy, which we've generously safe, got into 76 is, is not diagnosed by any of our foreign policy decisions. i think that's a offense summary. all that, both the government and the opposition would stand on this line of question dr.

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