to respond was russia, and the people of ca are, are really grateful for this input to bring peace back to our country. all the african countries agree that we lack technologies that we need to develop bilateral, mutually beneficial cooperation with other countries. and the un charter allows that any sovereign state, like ours has the right to cooperate with any other un member. nobody can prevent us from working with friendly countries and brotherly people. we count on technologies that will help us to use our resources. africans have realized that the c, r is ready to collaborate with any friendly country that are open to mutually beneficial cooperation. we have the resources you have, the technology was in. let's sit at the table and discuss how we can move forward together. today, the central african republic has become the object of slander and lies it is associated with war, but it is not true. the c a r needs investors. we are open to any cooperation based on mutual respect. and i can see that we intend to develop this way so that russian

investors, economists, leading enterprises come to the c a r, so that they help us use the natural wealth our country has including agriculture. we want to move from traditional and mechanical farming to industrial agriculture. we want to develop our minerals with industrial methods. that's what we're aiming for. but there are ly, surrounding our country. western media are trying to discourage those who want to come here. we are ready to work with all businesses and countries of good will who will cooperate with us on mutually beneficial terms. let's just say finally on the african continent where the democratic republic of congo is hoping its 1st ever solar power plant will help china lights on its efforts to modernize the energy grid. there. $4000.00 solar panels at the facility are now soaking up the sun and helping to power 3 districts in the east of the country. it's hoped as well this is just the beginning with plans to repeat as similar project elsewhere on the horizon

to the d. r. c is one of the most energy per states in africa. the new initiatives are seen as critical for future energy security, local say simply knowing the lights will remain all makes a huge difference to their life. our seats are left go mister district were insecurity reigned before. there were many problems and tragedies, unfortunately, and people left us to be very early because in the evening it was better to be home and insecure. today we are proud to be able to provide electricity from the santiago new glen up at the beginning. i said, what can i say? i think the em you meant to day. i finished what i put a 920 plan. we have cheese to weigh the thiefs. thanks lighting, the thieves, i'm no longer there. do i need to use an all alarm? because as the light open fontose, where a cell from lumina, so the energy stable before use fuel oil or diesel? there is a difference between the fuel, oil and soda, because the latter makes it easier for us to do the job as quickly as possible on

and the machines do not produce smoke. i hope it will be possible to supply soto energy everywhere. so the everyone who needs power can have his easily well tom, on our team for another visit to the whistleblower studio, catch john kerry echoes discussion with former u. s. intelligence officer william penny. right ahead. it is an eye opening. sit down. not as many ah, ah. 2 2 2 we've talked a lot about national security whistleblowers this season. the average whistleblower is somebody in the middle of his or her career who sees evidence of waste fraud abuse illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. those whistleblowers usually have 5 to 15 years or so in their agencies and they're concerned about upholding their oath to the constitution. it's unusual when a senior officer, a very senior officer, blows the whistle and jeopardizes his career. but that's exactly what our next

guest did. and the united states is a better place because of his actions. i'm john kerry aku, and you're watching the whistleblowers. ah. the william bill binnie was the 4th ranking officer in the national security agency or an essay at the time of the september 11th attacks. as the agencies technical director, he was one of the most highly cleared officers in the entire organization. after the september 11th attacks, the n. s a and other national security agencies were scrambling to recover. and at the same time to make the u. s. a safer place but some of the more cynical leaders at n s a. busy also saw an opportunity, they saw an opportunity to do something in the name of national security that had heretofore been denied to them. it was against the law. and indeed it was against any phase own charter to spy on american citizens or

u. s. persons. those people in the united states on a green card and essays director at the time general michael hayden decided to act immediately, knowing that his actions were in violation of the law. he likely believe that it was better to act now and ask forgiveness later he enacted a program allowing an essay to spy on literally every american. it was a game changing decision, patently illegal and extraordinarily expensive. our next guest and several of his colleagues decided to make a complaint to the department of defense inspector general, alleging that an essay was wasting millions and millions of dollars on trailblazer a system intended to analyze mass collection of data carried on communications networks, such as the internet bill biddy had been one of the inventors of an alternative system called thin thread, which was shelves when the more expensive and more intrusive trailblazer was chosen . benny was publicly critical of an essay spying on american citizens after

september. 11th saying that trailblazer quote was better than anything that the k g b, the stuffy, or the gestapo, and s, s, ever had, unquote. he added that and say with all of its advanced technology, had failed to uncover the 911 plot. and he said an essay had collected but had not analyzed information that would have garnered timely attention. with the leaner and more focused thin thread. we're happy to have bill benny with us today. welcome to the show bill. bill, you were a very senior, an essay officer when the september 11th attacks occurred. as technical director, you were intimately involved in the creation of thin thread, which was an effective and cost effective technology designed to keep american safe and to disrupt future terrorist attacks. what happened to thin thread? why did an essays, leadership elect to go with trailblazer? and i don't mean to sound cynical, but was this just because the $911.00 attacks allowed them an opportunity to do

whatever it was that they wanted the lobby, damned yes. infected was evidence that they wanted to do, book acquisition update on every us citizen, everybody in the world, even before 911. because they went to do a, jo nato was the ceo of quest corporation. and they asked him, this was in february, this isn't a court record by the way. this was in february of 2001 about 67 months before and 911 before 911. and they were asking him for all the data and all his customers, not meant you know, millions of us citizens as well as anybody else in the world using their system. so now that clearly showed the intent to do that. you recently did that because i didn't read program was working from and all the way to the back end into the whole system and functioning extremely well and could take it and i did. it was no, there was no math medical limit as to how much we could take him. i mean, this was the design that i helped put together and that was my team that did it.

and we designed it to take in any amount of data and handle any indexing of anything and at any scale. and you know, they inclined it wouldn't scale, but they knew damn well it would because that's what they used after 911 to spy on everybody in the planet. that's what they're still using at the still those programs are still in the stuff that was compromised by a scout when he put it up. so i knew what these programs were. i knew exactly how they worked and i knew their capabilities there. there is no limit to it. i mean, you could put in hundreds of billions of trillions of transaction. it doesn't matter. i mean, it just doesn't matter and it's terrible because i saw this is a fatality reinstate moved. and i said that right from the beginning, internally in the government until they started to go after me, and they did exactly to us back in 2007, what they did the trumpet my long, you know, they sent people with guns, anis, and they said, you know they, they fabricated evidence that they were apa david,

and the judges don't know anything. all they had to do was take them to assume they're being told the truth and not being lied to bill. you had an absolutely horrible whistleblower experience. let's start at the beginning. you did exactly as you were always told to do. you went through the chain of command when you didn't get any satisfaction there you went to the pentagon inspector general. soon after the f. b. i rated your house and pulled you naked out of the shower to arrest you. tell us about that awful experience. well, you know, the yacht, the 1st of all they there i went through the ah, the, this, the inspector general of the department of defense. as you're instructed to this is by, by regulation, the u. s. government regulation. you are required to report fraud, waste, abuse, and commonality to the inspector general the department of defense. if you're in a department fence, other departments have other inspected jobs. you're supposed to go through that. yeah, that's why we did and, and we also went to the house intelligence committee,

the staff, are there dian work that i knew? because i break there any number of times in an essay. and i went through her to report the, the unconstitutional unconstitutional violations of the, of the, an essay in violating the privacy rights of all us citizens as well as everybody else in the world. i mean, they switched from doing from doing fine on groups of people who are like military's and smuggling drug smuggling groups or you know, terrorist groups, things like that. they weren't doing that, spying on individuals, everybody on the planet. so when they did that, i mean, you know right away, there were only 2 reasons, right? number one to do it would have cost a lot of money which, which we've all paid for that by 10000000 a year for the last 20 years. you know, you counted up and, and that, that, that then would be a building an empire. that's what have you like to build an empire and have

a big budget. but then under jade, that would give him evidence of everybody that's an opposing him. he would have evidence that he could interrogate and retroactively analyze, and actively watch as current events or proceeding to see what people were thinking, planning or what they were they were intending to do. that's. that's the power it gave him at that point. so those are 2 basic reasons they would do that. and my argument from the beginning was that that was an ineffective way you really want to do what intelligence is supposed to do, which is great project, predict intentions and capabilities of adversaries or threats. so in advance, so you can actually do something to stop them and present them. that's what intelligence suppose. what they've done by doing this bulk exposition, mean they, there's too much data, they can't see the threat coming and i can't get through it to find it in time to find the threat. so what they have to do is revert back to a police anything, but just forensics after the fact years the attack, who get it, well ok,

we can find out, then we could go with all the data and find on everybody in the past. if they've ever been associated for any number of decades, you know, you could reconstruct their entire network out of that. but that's a police job. that's not a intelligence job. and by admin, it may then all dysfunctional, they couldn't find the plots. coming of the threats coming i miss worldwide. it's not just us, it's everybody's role going this way. you are never charged with any crime. certainly you didn't commit any crime. you did exactly what a whistleblower is supposed to do, but your personal property was seized and held. you had to file a lawsuit years later to get it back. i know that in the case of tom drake, who's been on this show, he never got his property back, including every photograph ever taken of his 5 children. you, kirk, we b, and others, had to hire attorneys at great personal expense. what were you accused of having done wrong? and what was the eventual outcome? actually, when we got it was, it was called a 41 g lawsuit. return of property after they sees it air required by law,

and they violate this law. by the way, they're required by law to inform us 6 months after they seize our property, what, what property they are going to keep and what they're going to return. they never did. so we sued them like 5 years later. so and by elation of that law, but then we went to court and we were ready to deal with any challenge they had coming for it because we're more about this whole thing. and they had a representative from a there, and the department of justice lawyer there, it was representing the government. and it was we didn't pro say by the way by ourselves that was tom drake. we'd be at lewis and myself. we went in and represented ourselves in court and they mincemeat of the government. they were just absolute violation of the law. and the only thing they could claim at the end and the judge had to for them a phone cuz she did, she needed to save face for the government. what they had to say, claim that we had some other other government agencies sensitive material. oh,

i mean that godmother government agency never came into court to testify to that and we had no way they wouldn't tell us what it was so we could defend it. so we had no due process and actually that issue, that was the one that said the government space. okay, that's the how to justify their rate on us basically. so but that turned out to be, we found out later the department of justice guy, fine with confess to what it was. he said it was a, it was a paper for customs and border protection. well we did that is non classified contract customs and border protection, analyzing go through their analysis process and make recommendations which we did. and that was our documentation of completing the contract. but it was just a whole whole why the judge didn't know anything different. i mean, they don't know anything in this business, and so they just take whatever the government says is as proof. and it's an outright lie almost every time. like with trump, they were lying all the time. look at what they did with them with that,

that da da and so, and allies there and they supported those live look at those 51 senior intelligence agency executives that were retired. that came out saying that's all this is different. there's business about, you know, any of the computer materials, just information rushing disinformation that was just not right. why? and they all knew that. ok, so part of this cabal, why the manipulate the course and manipulate the population of the country? so you really can't trust anything that any of them say because they speak as we used to say in the country. you know, work time, you know, like you did something else that all national security whistleblowers are encouraged to do. you went to the congressional oversight committee with your evidence of wrongdoing, but the house intelligence committee, employee, you were working with also had her house rated by the f b. i was the whole point to silence you. was it to keep the story of the waste of taxpayer money and the attack on american civil liberties from the public?

yeah, that's what it was to keep quiet and that's i knew that that's why when they rated me, i knew what the why they were doing it. and i was really getting mad at them. so when they told me i had to tell them some, this was a ah, but the thing i'll remember the asians name cedars agent charged hallmark. he was guy told me, you know, i tell me something that would implicate someone in a crime while he's after tom drake and dian rourke. those are the 2 people that and say didn't like at the most anyway. and so i, i said, well, i couldn't think of anything. i was a crime that they'd committed. he said, i think your line so it's ok. here's the lie. i know about george bush dick cheney, hayden and tenant all conspired to subvert the constitution of the united states. and here's how they did it with a program called stellar. when i went through the entire process of collection of data on us citizens and compiling it inside an essay and setting it out there for people analyze and look at. and the only thing this guy could do when i was doing

it, because all these other agents were cleared for that program, he was a guy, but they weren't. so when i was doing that, the only thing he could do is look at the flow because i'm reporting a crime. now when you do that, the f b i supposed to investigate, did they do that? no, because they were part of the crime. and the reason is diane brought didn't get any anywhere, was because nancy pelosi and, and, and ah, quarter gosh, were the, the hit chair and ranking members of the house intelligence committee at the time. and both of them agree to those programs as well as a cia programs in, in early november of 2001 long before she came in to report it to them. so they had already agreed and that's why nancy pelosi when she was a speaker, the house said that the impeaching george bush is off the table. why? because she was already a part of the crimes in georgia. say okay, you're a part of it too. you have to be in pete yourself. not. so that's why she kept all

impeachment all possibilities off the floor of the senate or the house goes out head new peach 1st and then descended try. so that's why she did that. you're watching the whistleblowers. we're going to take a short break and return to our conversation with famed an essay whistleblower phil binnie stay to. 2 2 2 2 2 ah ah, we have this to go on tenderness in the united states. we've exported it now to the world because the multi national corporations and we've been damaged to believe that babies needs be nurtured in care of who are in love and, and so you've got a whole bunch of trauma ties people all over the world with post traumatic stress

disorder that don't know how to heal. 2 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry, aka were speaking with former an essay technical director, bill binnie, about his experience blowing the whistle on waste fraud and abuse at the national security agency. bill, a part of the fallout from your revelations was that even though you had done nothing wrong, nothing illegal all within the confines of the law and of normal. and as a procedure, you were stripped of your security clearance. did you ever get it back? was there ever any admission of wrong doing on the part of an essay? well, i mean, as long as you're perpetuating ally, you have to stick with no other words if they ever admit their line than that, that the whole house of cards falls and it falls in a major way. so they have to stick with the law. they started and they,

they had to keep it going, but i'm not here to say that all the basic evidence says it's an outright lie. this was downloaded internally locally in the end and the dnc and all the stuff that they were accusing. others are doing is false. the predicate for going up to flynn and stone was false, and that's why they would let me testify to it. so you know, it's just that i might, yeah, i really, unless we start wising up here and people start getting active to do things and fire these idiots get rid of them, send people and it will actually do something really with some respect for a constitution rights of individuals and humanity. if we don't have that, then you know, where do i been calling us the 1st of all, we've got a department of just us and we, the people are not part of it. and you know, we are of the largest most populous newest, banana republic in the world. and unfortunately,

that's the way it is. look at what's coming out. they're getting so so arrogant about it. they're brazen about it because it's a, they're now have so much power. they don't care when anybody thinks they're going to say, what can you do about it? you know, but you can see that they're afraid of us because they trumped up this crap on, on 6, january, and are using that to try to try to keep everybody under under. i'm also also trying to get marshall lost on base. that's what they're doing. they allowed that to happen so that they could do this. that's how you keep power and control over people. you don't want to have to, you don't want the people to realize that they had the real power that they want to do something about it. but 1st of all, they have to recognize it and say, gee, i got the power and i can do it and, and get up and do something for god's sake. you are frequently in the news, talking about the technical side of elections and related issues. many of us have taken heat as you have for demanding to see evidence of election interference. for example,

russia gate was arguably the biggest story of the last 10 years. and in the end, the mother report offered no proof that there was any russian interference in the 2016 election or again in 2020. are these accusations which seem to be constant now just something we're going to have to live with, or is it possible to successfully demand evidence of accusations i for 1 am loathe to just take the c i a's or an essays word for it. when they make accusations of election interference, what do you think are absolutely it's the f b i department, the drug enforcement administration. ah, and, and other agencies, the government like the home. oh, don't part of homeland security i r s has access to it. that's how they could go after the tea party, you know, because all they did. and then that's all i took, that is because of the do things. one, a report in august of 2013 after the snowden material came out, warriors got it, and said here. so here are the regulations for using an essay data 1st to arrest

people. and then how, what you have to do to do a parallel construction. that is, construct the same material and substitute that material for the in a se date in the court of law, as you can introduce the. and if they did, it wasn't acquired with a warrant. you know? so they falsify that and they, they perjure themselves in court to put people in jail. they're trying to cover it up with the all kinds of ways i, i haven't tried to take it into courts in, for example, in the case against a flat off when and case against the raj, dawn and, and i had a petition with juliet, john elliot. she court going into the supreme court, which was rejected, and they, they wouldn't want to testify in the either the stone or flint cases. so they had to keep me out because, you know, i was just pointing out the basic facts. you know, they and they had, the evidence was clearly there that the, all this material that was posted was downloaded locally out of the dan c database . and i was surprised. there was no, it wasn't

a belief or anything. i was just the basic forensics information and said, yeah, there it is. this is a bad fall allocation table format that downloads data to what to some drive c. d roms, little memory sticks up a mainframe computer so they can try and keep us out of everything. so they don't want to hear from me. i have been trying to get into court with them, but they can't yet. they're finally bill. i wanted to ask you a question that i get all the time. there are so many different communication apps out there, including whatsapp signal, viber, proton mail telegram, and to denote a among others. many of us just assume that intelligence services around the world and even tech companies have backdoors into these communications, and that many of them are not really safe or any better than others. what's the best way to have a private conversation?

actually the best way is to do it in person with no electronic devices at hand. ah, i would say the other way that the postal mail, but even that can be they do a photograph of the outside of it for the addressing. and that gives them the to from like, like you do on a phone call or an email or anything else, the financial transactional that goes right into the, into the graph building, which is the relationship building of everybody in the planet. know all that goes into that for retro back up analysis or analysis of anytime. you know, so it's a, it's a, it's a matter. nothing is safe. i mean, no matter what you do, you can't hide the address in because got it to have there. it's got to be there to be able to round it in the world. you know, so in order, if you can't, you don't have the address to a certain person or certain machine in the world. you can't send something to it. so you know that, and that's how you build relationships over time. the thing about crypt and most of it is linear thought correcting, and it's not the, it's not the,

it's not safe in my view because of all the, the muscular program i think has won the snowden compromise, that dealt with gretchen and a compromising encryption with the companies and they and the, and the government in a say in spectacular. ah, so i just don't treat any of them safe. i don't bother encrypting anything because it even it, even if the encryption is successful, what they can do is they can penetrate through device, go in and download what you've decrypted. so that gives them the basic content of what you've been saying. i you know that, that, that, that's something that the, for example, nate, they, they were doing it even to the companies that they were working with. like, for example, google and all of them when they, when they backed up their data after the fact they, they had a program to tap in and catch the back up, which meant they got everything they had. instead of just going in. the prism program was a charade. that was they,

that was the program. they put out there from the judges to look at. so they didn't know any better and say, here were falling the lot. c v asked for something that you gave us a warrant for. now, and here we ask these companies like that's how we follow up. well, in the background on the, on the fiber up ups, ups, upstream, collected process. they were collecting everything going across the virus and when, when they backed it up, they copied everything that so, you know, they were telling the, and using it as a charade to show that they were vibrant, they were fall off when they weren't. right. and they never told the judges this. in fact, that's part of the part of the programs, how you use in a said it, and you never tell the judges, you never tell the court, you never put it in affidavit. you never do anything publicly that can be acquired publicly and, and you don't even tell your own attorneys that are prosecuted. you just given the date and say here's that, here's the, here's the evidence to convict. so you know, the native charade and, and, and, and i would point out also that when amnesty international versus collaborate was

one of the supreme court, that was the case challenging. some of this is the solicitor general of the united states lied to the supreme court get case thrown out. he said, well, if anybody's, but anybody in a criminal race there, if anybody's would. and i say didn't use against them in that course they would be taught was a lot, no one has ever been so you know, the hope all things corrupt in those parts. there are rep, there being why do internally by the government itself. so i, you know, unless we start getting wising up and doing something, john, you know, this country is going down fast. you've been watching the whistleblowers. i'd like to thank our guest bill benny and thank you for joining us. i'm john kerry aku join us again. next week, for another episode of the whistleblowers, ah ah,

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