how divided the country is a right now that israel is on the path to collision and that the brother is the citizens off the country are right now seen by h. other as animates and, and that he is not willing to tear people apart. and he wants to avoid civil war, and this is why he is giving the green lights to the home. and apropos of reform, we heard earlier monday all ready that the government will be given an extension from the countries national security minister bennett, who also later posted on social media that the reform will pass. no matter was he also now published and of the national guard under his ministry. apparently that was part of the deal because earlier on monday in the morning and threatens to leave the government even at home, i suppose all stopped the judicial reform and that move, of course certainly would significantly wiccan prime minister as blog or even

collapse the government. so ben is the same for now and sounds and behave very much like a winner. controversial reform has become here, is trigger for massive public protests, perhaps the biggest in the countries, recent history. for 13 consecutive weeks, thousands of people have been taken to the trace, complaining democracy, and their rights have been tolling from them. the last straw was have been coming to the decision to fire the country's defense minister. on sunday, a prompted even bigger protest, a major cities of israel that's continued overnight. and the whole monday and right now, thousands of people are on the streets in jerusalem, including those chanting and to government slogans. and those surprisingly supporting benjamin intern, yahoo! and the judicial reform back to you, or anybody. thanks for the update. i saw that maria phenomena. thank you. and thank

you for joining us. hey, our naughty international look back in the top of the eye with more of the very latest to see that ah, ah, i i imagine return, see welcome to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai in the u. e. wait thousands of years for peace deal, and then to come within a few weeks of each other after the saudi arabia, iran, d. o came she gin pings, state visit to moscow, where putin said mutual relations were more than an alliance. so now could a communist party broke a peace deal, end washington's war on russia through ukraine,

or will the export of british depleted uranium to care of an entity blinking warnings against a ceasefire? continue the war to the last ukrainian is russia and china hail their friendship and relations are to reach their highest point in history and join now from the city that gives its name to a possible rival to nature. the shanghai cooperation organisation by marriages, professor into natural history. politics at the geneva graduate institute and distinguish fellow the institute intellectual peace and security. thinktank the simpson center. professor. jang. thank jen. thank you so much professor for coming on. i thought was your lie? said, i think it's apocryphal, that it was too early to tell. as regards the french revolution at what's going on . china organizing saudi iran diplomatic deals and then a visit to moscow. huge change. yes, yes, i think this is a long in the making personal i think the basic idea behind this as a strategic concept is to united states, particularly united staples,

europe can some extent has identified china be systemic royball or, you know, kind of cold war language. and basically, thinking about china, these face the last few years as pure 0 sum game anywhere, any place, anytime china, again, something will be their law. now china find a wonderful way of trying to have a brace. yes. break. sure many, not just, sir. the, the actual are the piece maybe effort, but also they tried to effect public company in the world about china's rule in regional regional security issues. they cannot deal with united states any more. be honest,

i'm on pile one question on other question. please much game of i if and i'm not equal sasha trace are so they say we can move around. we you mentioned reputation there you mentioned reputation was the united states as out of the are amazing, arguable propaganda. department. i mean c, dtn is banned in nato. nations in britain, it's a banner, i'm sure you'll have one with amazement as every usa network. as if in a totalitarian state covered the chinese spy balloon. as a, as a multi $1000000.00 missiles were sent to destroy it. surely, it's a reputation of china in nato countries in the european union and in the united states as an all time low. oh, that's still true. but the, remember the u. s. mentality is something very close to. ah,

early 19 fifties, and his hysterical, i must say that it's kind of penny. ah, where the penny come from, i believe is a deadly combination of 2 historical trains of thinking. populate in the west now they combine together when it's whenever they think about china. one is the fear of decline. now remember this whole spangler a philosophy about a decline, the west and united stacy political being number one for so long. suddenly phasing the possibility of declining is or spangler ism then combined with a racial concept which has been popular in late 19th century, that is yellow arrow. so least 2 things joined together. really frightened, just the american of foreign policy elite and is they were, they think is

a real challenge. but the never use the language i said while they tried to do. but they, they disguise spangler ism, and the yellow peril sentiment with ideological in autocracy. we're since the democracy. it typical cold war tactic, though, it's not even since it, but surely those policy makers in washington realize that the components of, of foul their technology come from china, the treasury bills, the bond holding ok, it's reduced july china, but china is still as huge invest china could pull the rug under the united states economy tomorrow. surely they understand that. what a question is, why china want to call the rock? china would love to 3, right? oh, snap 40 a. but it was all whatever system american created as long as they can. but a sadly to stay, just cut short. no tech war is at the core. but don't forget,

all slash wrangler is the 1st person cry wolf in the 1950s law spoke, nobody reads it any more about technology. he said, never let slay remember, hey, gillian languish, masters living relationship. never left slaves till own technology. they were destroy masters ecology so. so nothing really new. oh me. it's just a, a history in that repetition. so as is have been there a long time. yeah. yeah, not sure if you know about our f, scott fitzgerald, the views j. good. the great gatsby about spangler that he was a bit of a fan of his and we know what happened here. that j. gatsby. why does china then? if i, if he knows that it knows these race, right ropes are being used against them. why does china continue to say facilitates her lank as i am afloat in the past few days rather than through bricks?

why is it, i think it's given 500000000 dollars to pakistan. $500000000.00 to facilitate i m f spending there. yeah. why does china seem to continue to support the bretton woods institutions actually? well they, when they tried, they tried to support the result of britain was, which is called globalization free trade. remember, china is the last defender almost today. the still try to defend free trade shooting, paying speech at davos a couple of years ago. you know, i, i never saw that i will see that in my life time. chinese come in is the lead it as a leading campaign of fries and the globalization is u. s. don't forget the original founder of the brazil system, not abandoned the system twice. now the 1st time the band and the gold exchange relationship, which is a default on the world now is the 2nd one,

the abandoned globalization. so blame me, china war, that economic problem. it's kind of put a horse before the cot. i don't even logically does not make sense. yeah. but many around the well believe the double system is predicated on a lie that it's actually have hypocrisy that rains under cloud swabs the institution. and how long will the chinese communist party continue given the sanctions regime that prevents this the dream utopia. globalization that is always spoken of in the, in davis, it was only the other day with ocho of indonesia said beware, it was a mastercard. and visa, well remembered sanctioned regime was revived. actually, precisely because yours want to abandon the original system on original world order economic order in particular. now,

once china can do because china hassling, free writing for so long. therefore, sanctions will hurt china quite a lot. but china tried very, very hard in us. i will say start 10 years ago, at least russian for we start even early d dollarization, this one, you know, cancer, it will russians have done wonderful. it, by the way, the sanction did not destroy rubel. the price to everybody in the west. china will move in the same direction, eventually, they are selling massively to us and eventually will make r and b, you know, the more important international currency. so they are preparing for the worse and at this moment, sanction still working l to be able to damage chinese economy. but chinese are, well they know that take the glove oh, now, so to speak, less row,

you know, less, less fine. if he, if you want to, because you know, say soccer quite a lot as well with these sanctions. well, not those who have raj as in arms companies. arguably china, obviously you're right. you're right. arms companies are the only one. yes. china as you great relations, china's great relation to saudi arabia. we've had people on this show say, look, this talk of di dollarization. it's still in the interest of opec countries to keep the dollar rather than start trading in a say, the remnant b. o or you one because in a sense the chinese currency is kind of pegged to the u. s. dollar anyway, so why bother changing things? well, it's just a question on survival. this question all flaw a boy, he was chinese language. what's called long arm punishments of other countries in many sections and so long inter

governmental. now, the whole point about this is, i think china try to play, i'll try to get in more into the i add the system, which is, you know, the person was legacy. if they cannot, they only option is to reduce the usage of don't know whether or not a dollar can continue to be as strong as it looks. i doubt many economies. so many historians dollar probably going to implode by itself. was this debt problem? ah, you know, in how much money they, princeton last few years or so it is so they will, i will say american government will pay the price go at dollar in pollution next few years. but given the disparity wealth in the united states, can the american government, the united states government can they can go on raising interest rates are to

protect the dollar, regardless of the poverty and the destruction of infrastructure in investment in american industry, narcan con, it was spoken about be on his side down the wrong, a reagan all the reagan the agree can nomics try to remember those say, say they can race as high as a 15 percent. another raising interest rate based on the idea you can attract all those states. and reagan time, off money massively out money into the united states because these hot money talking about diarrhea or shakes of everybody else. right. because they want to take make money, i'll go the interest different, right. which was you referred to as the sustain dollar strain. not any more. my sense is that because fundamentals of the u. s. financial system banking system . government finance. it's a totally law despite whatever government try to pull it, you know,

they are reaching the kind of, i believe in elastic i conditions now was a dollar. so i know they can play a regional makes one more time. i just, ah ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm familiar with professors young jin chinese international relations scholar and distinguish fellow at the simpson center. i know you say it was a long time coming, but do you think the chinese communist party was at watching the defeat in afghanistan as well as the rio reaction by russia to meet inserted bombing of don bass? are these 2 factors,

the air catalysts for the st. what looks like dramatic foreign policy initiatives by she just being sure. ah, well can, yes i, i will say so. yes. ah, they, they really had the certain says, usa shot and troy. well, let's see how k, all the united states repeated this. i go a retreat after so many years, which they of course see are rushing or invasion out. i know chinese come and never use. i words i as a scholar, i will use that word. it is the invasion or would share a certainly is not abide by international law, but don't forget again. china always, ah, sees nato enlargement as a threat, not only to russia. china also, well pressure when nature start east or expansion in 1987,

the da nobody remember that episode. how china react. it's china almost any time. yeah. but it will. china did when the full mouth. sweet. yeah. nancy pelosi has to die. one was to do a big drill of him. you know, some people were asking, why doesn't jain there? i don't know. she jin ping visit havana, visit atlanta. oh. or do something more than just a big military drill right? no, well i don't think a timing is right, but don't forget this true true. this trail is not all. the other 3 is a different drill. this is the called the block katie strategy. this could be, could be one of the future. i saw a military operation class. this is a actually provide the opportunity for them to really there you know, a real fire exercise surrounding talent though. so don't forget,

this is the 1st time this is b blockade could be one of the plans. you see? well, i mean, certainly on fox news, they talk about it work like that. but of course the americans, atlanta, they have lots of personnel about for the all the bases that circle you in shanghai, the u. s. bases. yeah, 16 people, 16 chinese workers killed in the central african republic ahead of the she visit to moscow. china has a lot of infrastructure that could be bombed. we know that sy hersh revealed the destruction and perhaps the greatest infrastructure terror acts in all history. the gnawed stream pipeline to buying energy to europe. surely china is very vulnerable in latin america in africa and southeast asia to any kind of cia nord stream style attack. as possible, thus, as always possible, depending on how much or you know,

tension will develop between us and china. let's say kids china song miserably. she against tie one. will united states really do a full scale ortho with china? i doubt it really is slight biden's, full infamous comes slips. there's will do it. i don't think you as ministry is ready, you as we know the overall strategy and even belligerent employee, or if they only thing one with allies, something called law. but a quad is really edge raw the primitive stage. i don't believe they are reaching the level of so called into operability. the coordinate a wool on behalf of taiwan is his president. i, he, i don't think they were talking about that when president, let me president's i visiting the united states, apparently just in transit on a central american to a short i, they actually discussing us yes, it's

a huge issue. this is another major publication. if remember, it's not just transit, it's a who the question who's going to see her if he has any bulletin? well, well, nothing will be in public, will it? it won't be in public. ah, let us system that you never, they're never able to keep secrets. don't forget it, so i'm sure it's going to be public. if, if you look at the level anthony blinking, that's a major measure. provocative. kevin mccarthy? yes, it's a measure one, but it does even one letter below nancy pelosi in terms of provocation because nasdaq lizzy, at the same party with democrat, right. is to say that democratic governments and the kevin is mccarthy as the opposition party. mccarthy. of course you won't. you won't go in c,

zalinski and is being attacked in nato nation media. what about japan? right, right. what about, i mean, we've seen about an expansion of them in the philippines. you're saying, you know, usually the rank biden does go for it. we've seen it in the philippines for me. okay. shita in clare. what's that? what is that about as the i m f. organize is a $15600000000.00 deal, which presumably china must have known about because china invest in the i'm of sure. yeah. but a deal is not for military reasons, right? i may have to will never did that deal for military reasons. ah, japan and others. now, i'll fill you face to face. right. in the recent, you knew of a few basic. these are all part of what american called into perceive a strategy, or we knows i know that i followed very closely the don't forget, i said, is still at relatively primitive stage. they are try to form

a miss strategic encirclement. all contaminants, you know, military intentions are against china by this little it's a slow emotion, but it's there. but i doubt this is really very useful and reserve agent tie one issue. it does not help. it does not help stabilize the taiwan strait at all. so because that could, could you seek militarily, if you are sitting in beijing i, i'm under command the she to do. i have to wait until watching you slowly to finish your deployment. that's what they've been doing the past 20 years. that yes, no, no, you know the last few years they really speed up with 20 is they don't have a quarter, they'll have all the other stuff. oh cuz you know with the u. k. so what i'm trying

to say is we cannot watch you to do it because we are, we have convinced this is what you going to do to make tie one, a separate political entity forever. that, that is a chinese technician. yeah, despite the usaa directory will never change one china house. they don't even believe they are not changing. not, not to mention chinese. there is 0. a serious communication k one question. now. i mean, you see they talk about their talk completely different language. they're looking both ways. is something that babs, yeah, i was shown from the i t c. arrest warrant for vladimir putin issued on the eve of the visit or a drink or moscow because the usa they would invade holland. if it is a good, good, good for what kind of value. yeah, for sure. yeah. yeah. if we can dispense with the i c. c them. what about the weapon zation of human rights?

because as you know, and a given the each in the united states, you must have been aware of the propaganda campaign. we and we are actually showed on this program how the weaker or propaganda story was amplified. as you expect, the weapon is ation of human rights. to go on steroids, i should say kareem gone, the i c c. lawyers been on his show should we expect more and more stories saying that where you live, where you're speaking to be from shanghai is assess better for you on rights violations. i o china always has you know, we, we know jana has said, very serious human rights problems. it's that we're issue in the sheen gen really qualified as american defied s a genocide. that's a notice i don't agree to. i think the policy itself is wise. not really either, i will say i would criticize both sides, but who is

a weapon icing human race? that's my question. mainly the western part of the world. that's my sense. now become a major instrument for great power to remember during the original cold war. there is a human rights issue, harrison agreement, all of that. you never hear the american leaders house the using chinese companies 40 instead of people remember china. ah, yeah. but i mean, arguably the global south doesn't have any language. the global side knows about abu ghraib and the prison on one timer that's still open so i can agree that, that kind of yeah. element, really the idea that the very idea is trying to separate cummins funding from p r c yourself. it's a, it's not historical, they don't offer what they're talking about. me is not realistic. in any case,

this is invented by people like, palm pear. okay. very much so it's become a common language now. the u. s. is either you as the leaders are using ab some european politicians use, is absurd. a using human rice issue as a major instrument full, great powered hunting. remember i emphasize great politics, great, my apologies. you need to be pragmatic. you disagree with ideology regimes that you know, character, fine, but let's sit down to make a deal to see the ultimate issue is peace, all war? this is something many forgot. european certainly, ah, the stace are. they are not aware that their mission to have them to jump on american union that show interpretation of taiwan issue. cuz remember, there was always a 2 sized interpretation. if you follow the history of the taiwan questions. says

that a recent nixon and henry kissinger, well, if the, if the united states is declined, we'll europe die before he and i did the states as a power house of the, of the economy. i mean, i should say europe is paying for this russian war. it still buying russian assure, and obviously china is staying for the war by, by asking the sanctions a, don't know where the china was and weapons. do you think china will send weapons to russia? i don't think they will send straight so forward. no, i don't. the russian either going to russia do is no, no, no river is always possible. do use ah, how can you define, do, or use this ascending weapons to the russians? so, do or use is always possible. it's according to the bilateral treaties trade treaty between china and russia. we continue, do you expect close to nuclear weapons cooperation, already american think tanks are alarmed by the fact ross at him and the china are

talking about close cooperation of nuclear weapons. ah, yeah. i saw the on their alarm, they remember before they ask china less have a nuclear talk. now today, the situation as i say, it's in to a period of mccarthy's, almost like a mechanic. there is a black wife 0. some eli proposal a made by china and they have to say, what's the conspiracy behind it? you know what, what, what's driving that? oh, i don't know why. i'm currently was howard bales. my senator kennedy's school in a nuclear program. if you want to refer to that, i'm very happy because i'm still a research fellow that we are working on that i'm the one tried to, to track to, you know, if we cannot do truck one, let's talk about nuclear issues. but so far,

american side are less and they hinged their attitude before they've pushed china is to say, so are we are really in the situation where communication become almost impossible. centers was full gray power relations professor zang jink. thank you, and that's it for the show. remember, will be bringing you brand new episodes every saturday monday. so state you mean? well you can keep in touch all our social media. it's not sent said in your country and had to watch channel going, undergoing tv on rumble dot com to watch new and old episodes going on the grant. so use act. ah ah a

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