about the state of relations between russia and china. it shoes, the chinese leader, she, jim ping, attaches great importance to the signer russian strategic partnership. and her, as you know, we are in the world of uncertainty and even chaos, but a good and consolidated assign, rushing partnership, will be a force of certainty in getting to this world of uncertainty. furthermore, bose china, russia, now also cause himself the civilization of states. and is the leaders of 2 great civilizations where his image shows are. the chinese are happy. he rushes id number one is certainly our now during the year during this visit, there anticipated the several agreements between moscow and beijing will be signed . obviously neither of us can can read into the future. but what he tells us about

the, the main areas of strategic interest between these 2 countries. and though when we use the term strategic partnership, it means a comprehensive and long term. it means a lot of political trust between the 2 countries and their leaders and their peoples. so when we talk about the comprehensive, you name it political, economic are technological, financial, and other domains where we have common interests. even in the field of security as managing the news while have military joint drills, et cetera. so it's really important a part of the global strategic balance. that's really the weight of the 2 major country like china. russia can play now sized between moscow and beijing only

really seems have grown stronger since the start of the war in ukraine. why do you think that the china hasn't joined in, you know, the western sanctions in many attempts by other countries to isolate mosque or why? why is it seems like on the opposite way? if anything, essentially what you observe, what has happened is the russia has been isolated by the west, but the west has being isolated by the rest. and the rest, of course, in china is a major player in this particular rest group. obviously though, indeed, a particular millage operation by russia, ukraine is controversial, or you are very controversial. yet, russia's professed objective to change the unipolar world order into a multi polar world order. this position is widely's, ported,

or at least an stood by the rest. so that's important. in china, i was a, she had this city will have to change and reform this kind of unfair and unjust unipolar world. so do you, do you really think we are seeing a shift now at tech tonic, geopolitical global shift in, in power and politics from from a uni paul, it's a more multi polar world at the moment. yeah. it's actually happening every day. you know, you can see very clearly if you look at the figures now internal population, which is understandable and the rest represents 80 percent of both population. if look at economic, a power, the rest, roughly 70 percent of wo, the economy. and there, you know, you look at he or what's going on in latin america,

mainly left leaning government. i, empowering against the u. s. he, germany in africa, people talking about the looking east, a middle east china. just see though i made the kind of a piece initiative and reached between iraq and a saudi arabia broke by china, which are all signed starter. the wesson power is declining even declining, faster than many people predicted. you look at the banking crisis. united states, you're in quite a swiss, etc. yeah, no it's, it's obviously no secret that russia has become, has the dubious tides that been the most sanctioned country in the world. in your opinion, jang way, way. what effect do you think the sanctions of had both on russia as well as the countries imposing them? well are, are with the say, you know, russia handle this, her,

impose the sanction the rug well skilfully. and i think this a rule bo, for natural gas deal. this is a very inspiring to many. now, western countries who are fed up with the u. s. a weapon is each of us dollars and the financial weapons and her. and also, you know, if we look at the russia economy, usually in the west, the look in the rush is con me, the e u. s. dominated, yes, dollar dominated g p. a. if i look at purchasing power parity rush is called me, much bigger than it appears to be. it's almost close to the size of germany economy if it's a calculate by her pac purchasing power parity. so if the rest of the world continue to trade, the ways russia and china continued to trade with russia,

ice in the sanction will not work. and to what extent you think china has benefited from these western companies, ceasing business with russia with china, be able to move in and fill the gap in the market. and obviously, russia is now re direct in its oil and gas supplies towards china, towards india. how china benefited economically from these sanctions. the china, russia have forwarded this strategic strategic partnership for already many years. and we have are already the 2 leaders. she camping and the vladimir putin have always provided the guidance at st. you level macro level for the cooperation between 2 sites, especially in the economic and other domains. and as a result, or when the sanctions by the west, or impose on russia who chinese opposed to it. it's only

natural that russia needs all kinds of goods in china can provide. you fed the china, the major surprise for consumer goods, anywhere and the china now the largest of manufacturing power. it's the manufacturing power is bigger than the combined mach new factor in power of the west. so naturally, china can offer high quality goods and her, which russian needs other countries needs. so this is about the trade. it's only normal and natural gas. now, given china's closeness with russia, despite the war in ukraine, this is china concerned, it's the country itself will be sanctioned. indeed, i believe the u. s. a sanction, a few chinese firms that he claims has supplied ship ships to, to, to, to, to russia. or do you think it's given the fact that china is such a manufacturing power house supplying the world?

the thing is basically impossible to source late china, such a way. basically the united states years, there was some poor called the so called applying the same kind of sanction from hell, the, to russia and to china. and perhaps it would be much more difficult with regard to china because chinese in fact, the largest economy by purchasing power parity things a 2014. so since 9 years is really the largest economy and sort of the largest trading nation. it's also in the cutting edge of new technologies in many ways, doing better the united states. channels are the world's largest middle cross real middle class where they could be nasty, they also middle class. so no way to a sanction this kind of country in such a scale as against russia, for instance, if they say we bear in chinese or china or chinese company to use a swan,

swift unfreeze the no the, the largest trading nation. so we have to have this a, i m b chinese currency for chinese goods. so the dollar paps will collapse over night where it will indeed that there is a general move among many countries to do trade in their own countries. now including russia and china with the you're, you on and the rouble. um, did you think this has been caused by the threats of sanctions, uncontrolled looking to isolate and protect themselves from that threat? i think this a trade in local currency in between china, russia and in china, russia and with other countries, already a trend because united states has weaponized the u. s. dollar, it's no longer public. good. this to play some row of that yet on how it's increasingly weaponized. so this is

a 2 year tremendous dis service to united states. as for china, russia, i think the, from the figure i checked, it used to be less than 20 percent. now it's a 50 percent in local currency, chinese currency, russian currency. so it's a good trend. anyway, nice states, a weapon as everything day to all in chinese say in the lift a piece of rock to strike. i. so feet were that were the reason i buy mention sanctions mid that they were in the news a couple of weeks ago, because the u. s. accused china of perhaps planning to send lethal aid to russia. weapons to russia, something that both sides have denied. and what do you make of those accusations by the u. s. the china was wanting to do that to rush? indeed, this is a fake news. china, russia have a strategic ties and we have a normal trade the other relations. so this is only normal but not the

acquisitions made by this it's, i think their acquisition basically to punish the chinese image in one way to consolidate a so called the west. so alliance and her. so it, it would not work. and, you know, and, well, china indeed has tried to position itself as somewhat of a mediator in this conflict between russia and ukraine. and indeed, it came up with this 12 point piece, pun proposal that i think was fair to say receive the rather luke warm reception in the west. and if he were to speculate, do you think there will be me any, any progress towards peace in ukraine? well, i think there is a, perhaps, at this particular moment, a window of opportunity and we should, the sees it is essentially most of parties to the conflict are

now prefer a kind of sci fi. and political solution with china also stands for the only exception united states which prefers to continue asia this conflict. yet recently, if you look at the u. s. domestic situation in the 1st place or the, it's banks i in crisis. and they look at the package a joe biden gave to her ukraine not long ago to his visits. it's only $500000000.00. it's a pretty small, which means what, you know, if you look at the afghan war it, i say spend the $2.00 trillion dollars. with this calculation, $500000000.00 could only or no for 2 days expense of war, you know, e, ukraine, battlefield. in other words, perhaps, to certain degree thus,

is also somehow worn out or exhausted, and pressure on some kind of politic. sushi is also going on in a dis, my personal observation. if there is such an opportunity for a kind of cease fi and peaceful talks, we know it will take long time and pro process yet we, if we can star dot, it's it, it's good for it for all the party's concern. indeed, as this was drugged on for over a year. now, i believe that, you know, it's, you support the ukraine politically and united states may not be quite what it was at the start of the year. do you think the both sides and years they are going to have to push for at least some sort of ceasefire to start off with? so there is this possibility now because situation are moving fast and her. so let's hope for the better and for some kind of, you know,

a, moving towards a political solution. that's really because see if the war is out of control, to have a global implications for the economy, for the political arena. and if for the whole, more wars will occur in different parts of the world, europe, whatever. so does be very consequential. the better to, let's talk to each other that's better and china can play some row in that, i'm sure about indeed. and he has already had quite a vast effect globally, this, this war from africa to europe and further afield. and just talking about talking. there were some unconfirmed reports that president seizing pink may have a phone conversation with the ukrainian president. volume is zalinski following thought, ladyman putin do you think that's likely, john? way, way. i also read this a report by it's not to confirm by the chinese government yet. we cannot,

you know, see this is impossible. why not? because chinese leaders earthy want e and the form in searching gung, also met the ukrainian condo pos. not long ago you munich. a, as occasions are both focus the are political solution to the crisis. china pursues foreign policy of independence and peace. and i think a chinese, in really, at this particular moment, a unique position to mediate between all the parties concerned her. we have done well this time with the deal between the wrong and the saudi arabia, which the artist in siri, it could be more difficult. and challenging than the crisis between russia and ukraine, fiesta, or really will southern years if not more of

a kind of a contention and the conflict yet as you have reached some kind of reconciliation. hopefully no, indeed in a post russia, ukraine, are china's friends. we hope, you know, you will to, well, eventually find a solution. we, chinese position very clear. we stand for peace and for development. the philosophy of the united states and many western powers is always dividing a rule. they tried to sing split to the world, and then he tried to manipulate other countries internal affairs, chinese position, just opposite all positions unite and prosper. that's focus on peace and development and all were bad benefit from this. having said that, however, china,

i all describe china civilization state. in other words, it's a super large modern state. yet with its age of the civilization, it's very unique and different from any other countries. and so with this kind of tradition, we can play some row, you know, with not only political we'll, but also pretty to trust her with all the parties concerned. indeed, indeed, and he did such on the united states in your answer and it's, it's no secret that just like russia relations between us and china aren't exactly great at the moment. and that's in teams exemplified by the, the alleged spy, blue in the u. s. chorus i've been trying to call it a weather balloon. ah, i'm sorry to bring out again because i believe it was, it was blown out of proportion. yeah. but how do you think that that incidentally, that's true. how do you think it was handled because i'm thinking he did cancel his

visit to china in light of that, at the time that you would have thought that maybe it would be great to either both countries to talk or indeed, you know, it's a homeless you know or what have you called bloom, or airship, whatever it could be handled? no, that's how that happens. you know, are many puzzled. whoa. the with different countries, whether blooms or whatever the yet united states choose to handle the case. the such a heavy handed, the way he is in 1st place, or it is a kind of a front to the chinese people. we are not happy about this. the 2nd, the new for our analysis is largely to divert people's attention from u. s. domestic troubles and crises a at that has a war, this ohio or poison gas leak in the real we crisis would have

a problem. and then the li, called poisons poisonous gas there, of course, a financial and as a problems. so that's a problem. and i states, it's a domestic problems. and then politicians tried to focus on china, russia as a way to divert people's attention from their own domestic problems which are very serious. it seems like the oldest, the oldest political trick in the book and to, to divert away from domestic by, by finding a foreign, a foreign one she own. what do you make on the u. s. approach towards high one? obviously there was nancy pelosi is visit there. they've been sending miniature 85 . and this is obviously going to be a, it is a huge points of contention between the 2 countries and the didn't is any way that you can resolve this and find common ground. no for that particular visited by nancy pelosi, you know, it's of course,

against all the official communications documents or treaties between chinese. i states about the one china there. and interestingly, after that, the particular visit china held a larger scale military exercises and virtually surrounded the taiwan island. and the virtually eliminated the so called a pay when's territorial or at and the water and also the middle line, so called middle and in the taiwan straits. all this abolished. so actually, whatever publications, united states together with the pro independence forces in taiwan, whatever they do in the end, the result is it's one step closer to china's unification. young

indeed, the collapse of those 2 big banks in the united state. there was silicon valley bank and, and that spread a little bit with questions raised over at credit suisse, which made merging into u b. s. m. yes, this is this banking crisis, a recent china. it's all or not, it's china, more insulated from some of these issues in the west. no, china, you know, we discussed this at lancer many years ago with our american counterparts. we said that you need to reform your financial institutions. this kind of, for casino capitalism has to be brought into play. always see the and me of the united see is nor china, not russia, but to wall street. you had, it has to be regulated. otherwise, you have the one crisis after another. in the year 2008, the crisis and the chinese came to help united states. and i said the back then i

said the mind own business. next, i will not help you because after all, assistance, what happened was united states. in, in the famous fable, you know, a farmer and the snake in the aesop fables is not great for that. it began to punish a china hostile to china and take all kinds of provocative actions against china. china, not happy about this. so not this tie states, you take your responsibility, solve your own problems. if your business, oh yeah, i can start to happen. the child had been doing all this job well and, and, and talking about the, the u. s. and what it perceives to be problems is that the bottom ministration has recently demanded that the, the, china's own as a tick tock they sell their stake in the social media or risk of possible ban of 6 out. it's the tick tock in in the,

the us. but they said any sale of 6 that would have to be approved by chinese regulators. it's a bit of a mass do. and what do you make of this hysteria around not just take talk. also hallways also been the video kicked out of a lot of infrastructure in the u. k. the u. s. and i believe some cameras in australia as well were removed from some government departments. yeah. and then, i think, you know, in fact, it is about the technology, the united states is unwilling to engage as a countries in the fair competition channel. not afraid of competition. if it's a, with the same rule and no after all new liberties and talks about the competition that better for consumers, for everyone in of wing when yet, where united states loses. it's a tech advantages that adopts it abandoned all this textbook economics. a

few of the why we, why we the far more advancing 5 g and other related technologies, antique talk is a far more advanced, a nice states in alga reason and a i technologies. so that somehow has frightened united states and the u. s. companies cannot compete with these chinese companies. so they've began to adopt this kind of approach, which is a unfair and also very me the on the other hand, they see tick tock. and now has over will i be 1000000 active users in the united states? or so my, my sympathy for the american users of tick tock. it's so easy to use, so much fun, but he can not enjoy. they have to, you know, whatever, cook with secondary surgery rate technologies. now we're seeing china and

it's, it's taking a much more i don't correct me if i'm on a much more active role in global politics as the de belts and rhode scheme does. the infrastructure projects in africa, the mediation between saudi arabia and iran, the bilateral relations with russia. i would definitely see that a more active china. where do you see the countries direction go the next 510 years or so? do you envision china will keep on this, this path of, of taking a really major, rolling global politics counterbalance in the u. s. at gemini, major, you know, in the 1st place, chinese genuinely believe that a chan as benefited from the existing international border. yet this order is also problematic. it should be reformed. otherwise it cannot meet the demands of the many peoples of the,

of the world. for instance b, i this sir, are deficit. oh, you frustrate deficit is immense in the developing world. and china has a stress in that particular domain. so we see why not less of a public goods in though like b i initiative is so were received by you know, a winery 40 countries or so this only a natural and, you know, a, charlie is a perhaps with my slide chinese bias my yet i've traveled all over the world over 100 countries chinese when a very few countries that have really found its own way to success, to modernization and china has achieved over the past several decades.

what i called for industrial revolutions. in one, we competed for industrial revolutions in when, in other words, chaney, the only country today can provide goods, technologies, services for all the 1st, 2nd, the 3rd or 4th in the us revolution, to the international, a consumers and meet their demands. so with this kind of rise of chime as a civilizational state or belief is, as i said, not divide en route. we said unite and prosper. we hope africa will be more united, middle east will be more united in, so she is asia will be more united let to america do all united and then that's build up prosperity and what she d been called sheer, the future for mankind. one human community. yeah. well jain guy way,

how these perception and philosophy would be leaving that. yeah, i was like wait dean of the china institute of the food on university jonah's live from beijing. that seems like a suitably optimistic point to leave this in to you. i'd like to thank you very much for your time and for your thoughts today. it's been an absolute pleasure discussing all these wide range of global issues with you. thank you very much. thank you. ah with

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