but it's a consequence of the school address yet. he's really doing positive things and a very difficult war situations, the russian economies under serious attack and the russian economy needs all the resources entirely for its own sustenance. but even now, we see that they're extending the hand of solidarity to the african continent, and that is how address she has always related to the african continent i. that's the program for now here on our tea. but just to remind you, the importance of today can not be underestimated. china's president is currently in the kremlin, here at moscow with a vast delegation. we're talking about a whole new string of agreements being inked in moscow today. no surprise, the western political establishment is going mental. anyway, a lot of moving and shaking in the well, these days appreciate you joining us here. this is audience. ah,

ah, what does it tell us about the state of relations between russia and china? it shoes, the chinese leader, she, jim ping, attaches great importance to the signer russian strategic partnership. and her, as you know, we are in the world of uncertainty, a even chaos, but a good and consolidated assign, rushing partnership, will be a force of certainty in getting to this world of uncertainty. furthermore, bose china, russia, now also call themselves the civilization of states. and is the leaders of to great civilizations where the meat shows or the chinese are happy? he rushes, i happy and we certainly are. now during the year, during this visit,

there anticipated the several agreements between moscow and beijing will be signed . obviously neither of us can can read into the future. but what can you tell us about the, the main areas of strategic interest between these 2 countries and the, when we use the term strategic partnership, it means a comprehensive and long term. it means a lot of political trust between the 2 countries and their leaders and their p pows . so while we talk about the comprehensive, you name it political, economic, a technological, financial, and other domains where we have common interests. even in the field of security as managing the news while have military joint drills, et cetera. so it's really important a part of the global strategic balance. that's really the weight of the 2

major country, like china, russia can play isn't now sized between moscow and beijing only, but it seems have grown stronger since the start of the war in ukraine. why do you think that, that china hasn't joined in, you know, sort of western sanctions in many attempts by other countries to isolate mosque or why? why they seem to go on the opposite way. if anything, essentially what you observe, what has happened is that russia has been isolated by the west, but the west has being isolated by the rest. and the rest, of course, in china is a major player in this particular rest group. obviously, you know, indeed a particular millage operation by russia. ukraine is controversial, or you are very controversial. yet,

russia's professed objective to change the unipolar world order into a multi polar world order. this position is widely's port it, or at least an stood by the rest. so that's important. in china, i was a, she had this if it will have to change and reform this kind of unfair and unjust unipolar world. so do you, do you really think we are seeing a shift now attack tonic, geopolitical global shift in, in power and politics from from a uni paul. it's a more multi polar world at the moment. yeah. it's actually happening every day. you know, you can see very clearly if you look at the figures now internal population, which is understandable and the rest represents 80 percent of wards population. if you look at economic power, the rest,

roughly 70 percent of whoa the economy. and there, you know, you look at the, what's going on in latin america, mainly left leaning government, i in power against the u. s. he, germany in africa, people talking about the looking east, a middle east, china. just see though, who made the kind of a piece initiative and reached between iraq and saudi arabia broke by china, which are all signed stature. the wesson power is declining and even declining, faster than many people predicted. you look at the banking crisis, united states, your credit suisse, etc. yeah, no, it's, it's obviously no secret that russia has become as the dubious tides that been the most sanctioned country in the world. in your opinion, jang way,

way. what effect do you think the sanctions have had both on russia as well as the countries imposing them? well, i would say, you know, russia handle this her, impose the sanction. there was a well skilfully and the, i think this a ruble for a natural gas deal. this is a very inspiring to many. now, western countries who are fed up with the u. s. a weaponized asia, us dollars and the financial weapons and her. and also, you know, if we look at the rushes economy, usually in the west, the look in the rush is con me, the e u. s. dominated, yes, dollar dominated g d p. if i look at purchasing power parity, rushes called me much bigger than it appears to be. it's almost close to the size

of germany economy if it's a calculate by a tech purchasing power parity. so if the rest of the world continue to trade, the ways russia and china continued to trade with russia, ice in the sanction will not work. and to what extent do you think china has benefited from these western companies, ceasing business with russia, which unable to move in and fill the gap in the market? and obviously russia is now re direct and it's oil and gas supplies towards china towards india out china benefited economically from these sanctions. the china, russia have forwarded this strategic strategic partnership for already many years. and we have are already the 2 leaders. she camping and the vladimir putin have always provided the guidance at st. you level macro level for the cooperation between 2 sites, especially in the economic and other domains. and as

a result, or when the sanctions by the west or impose on russia with chinese opposed to her, it's only natural that russia needs all kinds of goods in china can provide. you fed the china, the major surprise for consumer goods, anywhere. and the china now the largest of manufacturing power, it's the manufacturing power is bigger than the combined mach new factor in power of the west. so naturally, china can offer high quality goods and her, which russian needs other countries needs. so this is about the trade, it's only normal and natural gas. now, given china's closeness with russia, despite the war in ukraine, this is china concerned it's the country itself will be sanctioned. indeed,

i believe the u. s. a sanctioned, a few chinese firms that he claims has supplied ship ships to, to, to, to russia. or do you think it's given the fact that china is such a manufacturing power house i'm supplying the well, the thing is basically impossible to source late charnessa to away basically the united states. yes, there was some poor called the so called applying the same kind of sanction from hell, the, to russia and to china. and perhaps it would be much more difficult with regard to china because chinese, in fact, the largest economy by purchasing power parity. things are 2014, so since 9 years is really the largest economy, it's also the largest trading nation. it's also in the cutting edge of new technologies in many ways, doing better the united states. channels are the world's largest middle cross real

middle class where they could be nasty, they also middle class. so no way to a sanction this kind of country in such a scale as against russia, for instance, if they say we bear in chinese or china or chinese company to use a swan, swift unfreeze the no the, the largest trading nation. so we have to have this a, i m b channel currency for chinese goods. so the dollar paps will collapse over night where it will indeed that there is a general move among many countries to do trade in their own countries. now including russia and china with the you're, you on and the rouble. um, did you think this has been caused by the threats of sanctions, uncontrolled looking to isolate and protect themselves from that threat? i think this a trade in local currency in between china, russia and in china, russia and with other countries. already

a trend because united states has weaponized the u. s. dollar, it's no longer public. good. the su, play some row of that yet on how it's increasingly weaponized. so this is a 2 year tremendous dis service to united states. as for china, russia, i think the from the figure i checked, it used to be less than 20 percent. now it's a 50 percent in local currency. chinese can see russian courtesy. so it's a good trend. anyway, nice states, a weapon as everything they to all in chinese say in the lift, a piece of rock to strike. i so feet. what were the reason i buy mention sanctions mid that they were in the news a couple of weeks ago, because the u. s. accused china of perhaps planning to send lethal aid to russia. weapons to russia, something that both sides have denied. and what do you make of those accusations by the us? the china was wanting to do that to rush?

indeed, this is a fake news. china, russia have a strategic ties and we have a normal trade the other relations for so this is only normal but not the acquisitions made by this it's, i think their acquisition basically to punish the chinese image in one way to consolidate a so called the west so alliance and her so it, it would not work. and yeah, now and, well, china indeed has tried to position itself as somewhat of a mediator in this conflict between russia and ukraine. and indeed, it came up with this 12 points piece pon proposal that i think was fair to say receive the rather luke warm reception in the west. and if you were to speculate, do you think there will be me any, any progress towards peace in ukraine?

well, i think there is a, perhaps, at this particular moment, a window of opportunity and we should, the sees it is essentially most of parties to the conflict are now prefer a kind of cease fi. and political solution with china also stands for the only exception united states which prefers to continue asia this conflict. yet recently, if you look at the u. s. domestic situation in the 1st place or the, it's banks i in crisis. and they look at the package a joe biden gave to the ukraine not long ago, do his visits. it's only $500000000.00. it's a pretty small, which means what, you know, if you look at the afghan war it,

i say spend the $2.00 trillion dollars. with this calculation, $500000000.00 could only a note for today's expense of war in a ukraine battlefield. in other words, perhaps, to certain degree thus, is also somehow worn out or exhausted, and pressure on some kind of politic. sushi is also going on in a dis, my person observation. if there is such an opportunity for a kind of cease fi and peaceful pulse, we know it will take long tie and pro process yet we, if we can star dot, it's it, it's good for it for all the party's concern. indeed, as this was drugged on for over a year. now, i believe that, you know, it's, you support the ukraine politically in the united states may not be quite what it was at the start of the year. do you think the both sides and yours? they are going to have to push for at least some sort of ceasefire to start off

with. so there is this possibility now because situation are moving fast and her. so let's hope for the better and for some kind of, you know, a, moving towards a political solution that does really because see if the war is out of control, to have a global implications for the economy, for the political arena. and if for the whole, more was, will occur in different parts of the world, europe, whatever. so does be very consequential. the better to, let's talk to each other that's better and china can play some row in that. i'm sure that indeed, and he has already had quite a vast effect globally this, this war from africa to europe and further afield. and just talking about talking. there were some unconfirmed reports that president seizing pink may have

a phone conversation with the ukrainian president followed him. is zalinski following, told latimer putin. do you think that's likely, john? way way. i also read this a report by it's not to confirm by the chinese government yet. we cannot, you know, see this is impossible. why not? because chinese leaders mercy wong e and the form in searching. gong also met the ukranian condo pos. not long ago. you munich, as occasions both focus the, our political solution to the crisis. china pursues foreign policy of independence and peace. and i think a chinese, in really, at this particular moment, a unique position to mediate between all the parties concerned her. we have done well this time with the deal between the wrong and the saudi arabia,

which the artist in siri, it could be more difficult. and challenging than the crisis between russia and ukraine, philadelphia. so oh, really? when 1000 years, if not more of a kind of a contention and conflict yet as you have reached some kind of reconciliation, hopefully no indeed in a post russia, ukraine, are china's friends. we hope, you know, you will to, well, eventually find a solution. we, chinese position, very korea, we stand for peace and for development. the philosophy of the united states and many western powers is always dividing a rule. they tried to sip split to the world, and then he tried to manipulate other countries internal affairs, chinese position,

just opposite all positions unite and prosper. that's focus on peace and development and all were bad benefit from this. having said that, however, china, i all describe china civilization state. in other words, it's a super large modern state. yet with it's the age of the civilization, it's very unique and different from any other countries. and so with this kind of tradition, we can play some row, you know, with not only political we'll, but also pretty to trust her with all the parties concerned. indeed, indeed, and he did such on the united states in your answer, and it's no secret that just like russia relations between us and china aren't exactly great at the moment. and that's in teams exemplified by the alleged spy

blue in the u. s. chorus. i've been trying to call it a weather balloon. ah, i'm sorry to bring that up again because i believe it was. it was blown out of proportion. yeah. but how do you think that that incidentally, that's true. how do you think it was handled because i'm thinking he did cancel his visit to china in light of that, at the time that you would have thought that maybe it would be a great either both countries to talk or indeed, you know, it's a homeless you know or what have you call a blue or airship whatever it could be handled? no, that's how that happens. you know, are many puzzled. whoa. the with different countries, whether blooms or whatever the yet united states choose to handle the case. the such a heavy handed, the way he is in 1st place, or it is a kind of a front to the chinese people. we are not happy about this. the 2nd, the new for our analysis,

it's largely to divert people's attention from u. s. domestic troubles and crises a at that has a war, this ohio or poison gas leak in the real way a crisis would have a problem. and then the li, called poisons poisonous gas there, of course, a financial and as a problems. so that's a problem in i states, it's a domestic problems. and then politicians tried to focus on china, russia as a way to divert people's attention from their own domestic problems which are very serious. now it seems like the oldest, the oldest political trick in the book and to, to divert away from domestic by, by finding a foreign, a foreign one she own what you may call the u. s. approach towards high one. obviously there was nancy pelosi is visit there. they've been sending miniature aids taiwan. this is obviously going to be a, it is

a huge points of contention between the 2 countries. and it is anyway that you can resolve this and find common ground. no for that particular visited by a nancy pelosi, you know, it's of course, against all the official communications documents or treaties between chinese. i states about the one china there. and interestingly, after that, the particular visit china held a larger scale military exercises and virtually surrounded the tie, one island. and the virtually eliminated the so called a pay once territorial or at, and the water. and also the middle line, so called middle and in the taiwan straits. all this abolished. so actually whatever publications the united states together with the pro independence

forces in taiwan, whatever they do in the end, the result is it's one step closer to china's unification. young indeed, the collapse of those 2 big bang in the united state. there was silicon valley bank and, and that spread a little bit with questions raised over at credit suisse, which made merging into u b. s. m. yes, this is this banking crisis, a wisdom china. it's all or not, it's china, more insulated from some of these issues in the west. no, china, you know, we discussed this at lancer many years ago with our american counterparts. we said that you need to reform your financial institutions. this kind of for casino capitalism has to be brought into play. always see the n me of the united see is

nor china, not russia, but to wall street. you had, it has to be regulated. otherwise, you have the one crisis after another. in the year 2008, the crisis and the chinese came to help united states. and i said back then i said the mind own business. next, i will not help you, because after all, assistance, what happened was united states. in, in the famous fable, you know, a farmer and the snake in the aesop fables. a not great for it, then it began to punish a china hostile to china and take all kinds of provocative actions against china. china, not happy about this, so not this tie states. you take your responsibility, solve your own problems. if your business, oh yeah, i can start to happen. the child had been doing all this job well and, and, and talking about the,

the usaa and what it's perceived to be problems is that the bottom ministration is recently demanded. that the, the chinese zone is a tick tock they sell their stake in the social media or risk of possible ban of 6 out. it's the tick tock in in the, the us, what they said, any sale of tickets that would have to be approved by chinese regulators. it's a bit of a mass do. and what do you make of this hysteria around not just take talk. also hallways also been the video kicked out of a lot of infrastructure in the u. k. the u. s. and i believe some cameras in australia as well were removed from some government departments. yeah. and then, i think, you know, in fact, it is about the technology, the united states is unwilling to engage as a countries in the fair competition. china, not afraid of competition, if it's a, with the same rule and no after all new liberties and talks about the competition

that better for consumers for everyone in of wing when. yet, where united says loses. it's a tech advantages that adopt it, abandon all this textbook economics, a few of the why we, why was a far more advancing 5 g and other related technologies. antique talk is far more advanced, a nice stays in algorithm and a i technologies. so that somehow has frightened united states and the u. s. companies cannot compete with these chinese companies. so they began to adopt this kind offer approach, which is a unfair and also very me. on the other hand, they see tick tock, and now has over, will i be 1000000 active users in the united states or so my,

my sympathy for the american users of tick tock. it's so easy to use, so much fun, but as he can not enjoy, they have to, you know, whatever, coke with secondary surgery rate technologies. now we're seeing china and it's, and it's like in a much more, i don't correct me if i'm wrong and much more active role in global politics as that the belts and rhode scheme, there's the infrastructure projects in africa, the mediation between saudi arabia and iran. the bilateral relations with russia, i would definitely that a more active china, where do you see the countries direction go the next 510 years or so during visit? china will keep on this, this path of, of taking a really major, rolling global politics counterbalance in the u. s. a gemini, major, you know, in the 1st place, chinese genuinely believed that a chinese benefit of frown the existing international order. yet

this order is also problematic. it should be reformed. otherwise it cannot meet the demands of the many peoples of the, of the world. for instance b, i this sir, are deficit. oh, you frustrate deficit is immense in the developing world. and china has a stress in that particular domain. so we say, why not? let's all the public goods in though like be i initiative is so were received by, you know, a winery 40 countries or so this only a natural and, you know, china is a, or perhaps with my slide chinese bias my, yet i've traveled all over the world over 100 countries, chinese, one of very few countries that have really found its own way to

success, to modernization and chan has achieved over the past several decades. what i called for industrial revolutions. in one, we competed for industrial revolutions in when, in other words, chaney, the only country to day can provide goods, technologies, services for all the 1st, 2nd, the 3rd or 4th in the through evolution to the international a consumers and meet their demands. so with this kind of the rise of china as a civilizational state or belief is, as i said, not divide en route. we said unite and prosper. we hope africa will be more united, middle east will be more united in the sal, she's asia will be more united. latin america will united and then let's build up

prosperity and it was she g beam called share the future for mankind. one human community. yeah, well john guy way, how nice perception philosophy would be leaving that? yeah, i was like wait dean of the china institute of the food on university jonah's live from beijing. that seems like a suitably optimistic point to leave this in to you. i'd like to thank you very much for your time and for your thoughts today. it's been an absolute pleasure discussing all these wide range of global issues with you. thank you very much. thank you. ah. with

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