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widespread, and everything in the country is getting worse. innocent people are dying and there is no understanding of who's killing them. nevertheless, people are working together so that the country can move forward. as always, you can find all the latest news updates as well as discussion and debate on our website, r t dot com. thank you for choosing the mr. do again. thank you so much for taking some time out of your busy schedule. i'm sure to talk to us 1st like to start by seeing the evaluation basically where we are at now with the special military operation. it's been a year. what's your assessment? well, we out now, how are things going i think that's and this especial military operation. that's now is something like beak real and full scale war.
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so it started as a special military ration. now we're good not deny that we're doing with the war this war, this conflict kiss different layers. i think that on the 1st level we have now the grow. when can this thing the over the conflict of civilizations? precisely as samuel huntington has put it some years before. and we see how incompatible, ah, between each other ah, those civilizations, russian christian, orthodox, traditional, much more traditional ah, civilization with hey, we inclination to the social justice as a heritage of the soviet time and base all the dream over the
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eternal greatness of russia on land hence, and modern western global liberal democracy pretending to be unique for all, all organizations of society, of politics, of economy. and that's liberal globalism is other civilization, these, this civilization global western civilization pretend. and after the fall of the soviet union to become unique. while the only one that made ideal fukuyama was whom i have chance stole to speak to discuss a ma main idea. fukuyama shared, i think, by present administration of biden, that after the fall of the soviet union, there, there, there come the end of the history. and the history of the history means that
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western post modern, liberal, global order should be imposed on everybody or should be accepted by the people universally, and is regarded as unique system of values of rules and so on and so on. so russia now, is it gone? flicked a, gave this pretension over their western modern global, a liberal civilization to beat unique. russia insists, no, you are wrong. we are as our civilization with. don't share your values. we deny universal meaning off your rules and we are going to establish multiple or world order with the russia independent fall totally, totally free from your influence. but as i say about the west moral compass there, they are constantly preaching the world about democracy,
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about human rights. and here they are basically supporting neo nazis that we're seeing and key as regime. how do they justify that to their own people? first of all, they tried to, to high that for because we could not find 80 any hint, all these, these growing huge movement off. and that's if he cation of ukrainian mines. and that is that reality. but the west sa, wrongly denies that. so when a bernardo newly v, one of the, of the main main room defenders all their liberal democracy on the global scale is meeting with a chronic nazis saying, there are no, they are not nuts is but they have. so i stick as late as leaves and so on, so they try to hide, they try to, to, to, to hide that this fact. but why are such contradiction? where are the moral norms?
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because i think the west, as long as i understand the west thinks are in such manner. no, we could not, ah, by other way to create artificial nationalism in ukraine and to, to push you grind on us to white russians because they are not a ready, they will be not rated, it would not be ready to fight for liberal wellness because they, they dont don, don't mean any think 4 or present days you credit or maybe for some cd t will of population. but in general for this traditional society, a little relish can not be the main the main goal to defend. so the need some think other and the muster radical form to 2 or more to create this artificial.
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so you, the consciousness is nationalist or radical formal and nationalism who of the ukrainian russia for big fascism and that is used by liberals, by global at global liberals. because in their territories, they strictly prohibit any hint on patriotism and they destroy any kind of nationalism or, or patriotism in their territories. but in you gram ah, the other hand they, they, they make it clear ish. yeah. think they are, they account to use it? and after the destruction of ukraine, there will be nothing any more. so i don't think they this is a seriously belief in the possible victory of ukraine. your grand will be will disappear during this conflict. so there is no such big danger because of this artificial nazi creation as modern nuclear and
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a sooner or later or will cease to exist. there will be no ukraine or what no problem, no nazi. so they are created that as exactly as the they have used or isis or slamming state or moslem mc fundamentalism. i think nothing to do his wrists values of radical islam that west cynically has used, has used a guide and radical islam too at deck, but or soviet or socialist decay pitiless regimes in this la mac world. so the some think leg that we have in nuclear now they have created artificial lots of paradise in order to destroy that. and now we're talking about the was, there are not only same statements like defeats and russia or women over russia. there are they have forecast saying that russia will not only be defeated,
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but it will also fall apart that will collapse and will break apart into several republics. for example, we had george friedman who's the head of the stratford geopolitical intelligence platform. he's the one of those people who is coming out with statements like this, saying that russia will be defeated, no doubt about that. and also able to break up into republics. why is russia breaking up into republics in particular, beneficial to them? i think that is completely logic from their part because if russia will stay, ah, united, if russia will stay independent and sovereign. if russia, when russia increases, ah more, it's independence out there at the, the victory in ukraine. that world will be not ruled by the west, so that is with the independent russia, with such gro was off, but you,
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at a consciousness during, could put in stime. it is the real obstacle to create the global world on the control of the west. how do you see this plan ounce in the long run? because right now i feel like we're sort of at a standstill. ah, because no one seems to want to negotiate russia. i seems willing to negotiate receive from i ukraine side. ah, that the west is encouraging now, talks and more, more supplies of weapons to make sure that they're equal with russia. i don't even know if that's even possible. so how do we get out of the standstill if the west continued to arm kiev, and russia? obviously doesn't bag down. how do we come out of this? i think of 1st of all, in the present situation, the piece stalk. i'm possible, i'm possible for all all sides because we didn't liberated her fool territories of our for new subjects. and before this full liberation,
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we could not recall, not stock, be stock based on our condition. so the key, if seeing our hesitation and her understanding a kind of difference between the image of invincible russia and our real a real estate as well. things that a guy and over the change of the balance is possible with such huge aid and help for overall from the west military, political intelligence and structural help from the west came a scheme suggests or presumes, can change their balance and to help to them, to liberate while they are the territories of your grand including crimea. so
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in that situation, not what is start, start, be stock and their west. the west is interested in continue confusing the conflict . so because they see your ration failures, they could give for my more and more arms and weapon that weapon still use in order to problem to prolong that. so every body isn't in position. nobody's in position to do stats be stock. so i think all the color ation that if some side is ready to be stuck in present conditions is purely watts. so we could know nobody is ready to talk to all this stuff this. this stocks can stop after some furious changes when this stuff
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was still stamp. see this? so when there will be a kind of change or balance to one or other side after that it is possible. but the wes says, well, if we accept this, if we allow russia sort of, if we give them an answer, we'll take a mile. so if we allow this to happen now, then any country will think, well, we can go into any territory and change the course of the concierge teacher there. that's how they explain it. so in that case, will they ever accept any scenario where russia wins in any sort of way, even though as you said, a pains rush as the enemy, which is something that they need? i think that are the only only of material material. resources that good are use to prevent austell dual, or that it is use of nuclear weapon. but they could use nuclear weapon the west
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could use nuclear weapon in the the, the when sedation will be critical for them. but to lead the russia to re install it, it's gone through all the characters that during the soldiers were already under influence of russia. without russia creating some existential threat. i don't show edge for the west, it is not to move there. the final final situation, they will be not or blige to fight for ukraine because losing ukraine. they don't lose it either. they don't lose any think right now we're waiting for something to change the mentality of people. we're waiting for something to change on the ground . we're waiting for someone to change politically speaking, to shift the conversation one way or another, as we've said, to come out of the standstill, we're waiting for something big, i assume to make both sides act and do something to change. in the meantime,
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though, russia is seeking new partnerships because of the west. it, of course, i is trying to cut off russia from the world, but the world is much bigger than just her. ah, the united states in europe, of course. and we're seeing russia form partnerships with other countries. we know that it said looking into the global south, it's looking into africa as a continents and i do in partnerships with various countries. busy how do you see this, these new friendship saw that ross is forming now, 1st of all, as he, that's a majority of humanity. ah, is some call on our, on our site, sancho looks openly, not fully now, but everybody will have a positive positive results. if that world will be multiple are so russia, russian rectory, in ukraine min immediately,
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multi polarity multiple out at the mince, emitted not only the achievement on full scale sovereignty geopolitical so into, for us, but automatically, for china, that is already already other poll, 3rd bull. and we will, will happ immediately after our a victory. 3 poll, 3 polar world already mate. an there will india. that is for all, all musts meridian force poll because india is a great space. a big civilization and huge counter was huge demography, huge potential in economy and not participating. neither on the side though s lower on our side, india could gain extremely now many, many positive results in the multiple or world not necessary. ah,
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being on the side of china or, or the west by the multi validity or bands. immediately, mainly possibility over the alliances of over the rearrangements. all of the balance of power on the regional scale, islamic world, all the islamic people leaving in the multi buller world, world court styled to defend seriously they, they had religious i did to the end. death is impossible under a global global dominance of the eligibility. plaza ah, technological technol, century technocratic wester of western had gemini, is incompatible with his lamb. so islam are finally after our week to re, will become the real player on the global scale, the not regional divide it and manipulated by the west. saw all the reasons for all muslims in the world to support ration, rick,
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to regard it because it will be they are victory immediately. the same for all, for the same was true for i lettered america, and the same is true for africa, but i don't think that they could seriously ah, help us. ah, meantime, before we uh, we can get this victory. so everybody really use the results are objective results of the rectory, but nobody will help us in the critical way. so it is very, very, very particular. is it ation? we should win ourselves and only winning. we're laying on, oh ah, our own powers. the other will build our side we in this war we are fighting as well for the support of the other. you think that the united states or
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the west will ever allow their to be and moltz. hi paula world. ever or will it just puts hand to the allow it in the beginning, as he said of in the, in the 3 scenarios he laid out a russia window in every single one. but in one of the scenarios, the less when's because it has an enemy, it has an enemy to fight and always needs an enemy, but will not allow it even temporarily. i think that all the theoretical way ah, that was already accepted. why people like of semo huntington, the conflict on civil as of civilizations is waste as a theory, as the concept is based on recognition. all these independent sovereign, great spaces of civilization. so they, theoretically they, the west is repair. it's as alternative to these contamination of globalization ah,
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for you and your polarity, and then to the history, there is a, the line over there. specialists in international relations that's already of deals are wis of such in the, in the, in the veto bowl and the writable development, all for the room of change old ah, global architecture. and on the, on the other side, we had an real example of the acceptance of multiple, edited by president of united states in the gaze over a donald trump. donald trump heb nothing. it gates multiple oddity. and he was ridiculous against globalism and global liberal agenda. oh, there biden and democrat, so the half of united states is already prepared to accept
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a multiple or to because you can clearly in easily imagine the greatness of the united states over the west, the prosperity of the west, today's own, their own culture and their out technological development with other poles and they could, as buchanan has said, america the united states has gone the world, but has lost itself yourself. so it is a way it could put this praise other ways. so america could now when itself and lead the world law. and of course i cannot help but mention the tragic tragic loss of your own daughter in all this. well, for the deepest and sincerest condolences you synthesize with your pain.
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so victory in this case for you in particular as something i would imagine that's personal, it hits home you know, i have no ranch, i have no, no sentiment of revenge for me. that wench will not mean victor. absolutely. so i could not blame the enemy because it is enemy at this a little bit. it is bit deep, though it is difficult to accept the killing coughing, innocence, innocent daughter, innocent girl, not participating in the military conflict, not by name, secrets not being involved and did not participate in the full scale state propaganda. she just expressed your crown region had
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this kind of injustice. i feel it has just but i, i don't, i don't have any sentiment and feeling of revenge because i understand that and is we're killing each other. we are the same people. we are russians and they kill our daughter and sans and we are living color, our friends, losing our, our friends there and, but they have their losses as well. and i could not think that, for example, killing many people of the enemy could compensate it. that last, not a lot at all, it makes the pain more more painful, i would say, but i think the victory is other think. so i think that victory is personal for
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myself. not because the idea, but because of my people, because i'm part of the, the i'm part of my people. i and my family and my daughter and my son and my granddaughter and grand a newly born in the grounds. and my wife and all of us, we have bought a fresh and people and we could not super 8 our so our destiny, our faith, our mission from our people. and we could not say all this personal and that is common. it is the same for us, and that is my, my, my life is still dedicated to service, to my people, the my civilization, to my culture, to my state where russia rations were deeply believe that we have some very special mission to accomplish the history in now as long as i understand we are really near this critical and crucial moment and maybe because of the deaths,
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their bands so high and so deep. and so so unbearable because we are closing where we are close. we are very, very new to this final moment of our history when we presumed to contain some, some huge spiritual, spiritual act. mr. dugan. thank you very much for your time. you're very strong. thank you. second, the the the
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ah, the claims of the king of the belgians leopold the 2nd to the congo were finally authorized by the leading european countries in 1885. in the very heart of the african continent. a state under the rule of the belgian monarch was declared since the beginning, the congo free state was total, may him for the local population and functioned as a universal concentration camp. the majority of the population, including women and children, were forced to work on the rubber plantations. those who failed to fulfill their quota were beaten and mutilated to keep the congolese people under control. the king set up the so called forest bleak which were punitive detachments that cast terror on the captured country and its inhabitants, fearing that their subordinates would simply waste bullets hunting for wild animals
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. the officers demanded that the soldiers gave an answer for every bullet used, and as proof presented a chop hand of an african, it was not uncommon when trying to justify the use of the ammunition. the colonist amputated the hands of not only those who were dead, but also of those who were kept alive. the atrocious exploitation of the congo turned into a real genocide. in only 20 years, the policy of the belgians led to the death of nearly 10000000 people alongside the holocaust. that genocide of the congo population is considered to be one of the grimmest pages in the history of mankind. look forward to talking to you. oh, that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such short or is it conflict with the 1st law show your
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identification for should be very care about official intelligence. and the point obviously is to place trust rather than fear like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence. real, somebody with obama protective phone existence, with a government has been killing its own people and on boss for years. it's amazing that vision not being covered in western media. it hasn't been covered for the last 8 years. i'm here for 5 minutes, and then i'm told the 1st 5 people they found it was 5 decapitated heads up in a quarterly request on demand employee. fos cathartic to me. can you hear me?
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no fiber to say, keep these on your father law kid. the v. v information will almost all the independent journalists who pointed out that nato and the u. s. were directly responsible for initiating the military conflict in ukraine. our casualties of it as long as we want the war to continue. we will fight that more using ukrainians as proxies and we will fight it to the last ukrainian death. that's what's happened in dumbass this whole time. this is, these aren't objects. these are people that and so that's why i do what i do. that's why i'm here. oh, the western countries are very concerned. the china might be sending russia. we sell weapons as a way to help brush us military. we can pay in your credit. personally,
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it's my just personal view on very suspicious of that on i don't buy dot to contradicts to what i see. the basic logic a behavior puts in the, the chinese state. ah ah with
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ah, as russian forces edge closer to capturing the key city of all to him, all the school back. he examines the scorched been done by retreating. ukrainian troops destroyed critical infrastructure to hinder the question and thong, the head of a neo nazi group that claimed responsibility for a deadly attack in a russian border region admits the operation roles coordinated with the ukrainian military. i'm trying to say that refusing to be bullied by country that speaking to impose their own domestic laws on other nations.

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