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and with the soviet union and its successor, the russian federation. we will not have the horrible situation we have today. i think that if the american stopped, we would be at peace and the role would be a lot better place and the economy, the world function certainly better than is doing now. with

with hello and welcome to this week's african now program. i'm portfolio and the team and i are coming to you from an undisclosed location. i'd like to say that i can tell you where we are, but then i'd have to kill you. but that sounds a little too double. 07 james bond dish. but more so than america announcing a new actions that we are going to be taken to counter the russian private military company known as wagner. the department of treasury will be designated wagner has a significant transnational criminal organiser under executive order 13581 as amended in coordination with this designation. we will also impose additional sanctions next week against wagner and its support network across multiple continents. these actions recognize the trans continental threat that wagner poses, including through its ongoing pattern of series, criminal activity with these actions. and there'll be more to come our message to

any company that is considering providing support to wagner is simply this. but there is a criminal organization that is continuing wide, i'm sorry, committing widespread atrocities and human rights abuses. and we will work relentlessly to identify, disrupt, expose, and target. those were assisting wagner, a little bit rich, considering that there are dozens of american private military companies, currently operation around the world. so what's the defense? wagner is russian. and at the moment, anything russian is bad means. these are, you know, there was a rush. i said, i'm in africa called the wagner group. it's pronounced lag now, if you've ever heard of the rag now group. now italian wagner has been hired by the government for security services into gar. diamond in gold mines. also invited by the government of molly in west africa and they are suspected to have been involved in a massacre in mora, molly,

and what they do is they do dirty work. they do assassinations, they do military admissions. the extortion, all kinds of things like that, where rushes want to distance themselves from, from they are made the regular army, a navy sales and guy known as wagner group, a navy seals mainly do special operations. the wagner group, they've taken over a whole country. your wagner forces were officially requested in a number of african countries, including molly and the central african republic of the hill. from these countries have repeatedly stated the impulse of the help of the wagner group as provided in conflict written regions, the central african republic parliament leader once again explains the significance of wagner's activities in his country. he had killed. people were killed here, the c, a r's army couldn't cope with it. but now thanks to the presence of our friends, the russian army. through wanda's army,

the minutia troops were able to achieve peace and the central african republic of i don't know the wagner group. i only know that when our government signed an agreement with russia, the russian government provided us with the soldiers. i'm not trying to find out which group president putin decided to send us to insure security in the c a r. for us, it's just russians who have arrived in the c a r. for those of you not familiar with the terminology. wagner is a pmc, a private military company. now this is not something new for decades. governments have been hiring p. m fees to assist the military with operations. names like black water, triple can a p s loss and frontier services group, or a few that might be familiar to you. all of these are american owned and wait for it, interestingly enough, not considered terrorist by washington. so what's the difference for security reasons? i'll next interview we asked not to be seen on camera. he is a private military contractor who has worked with wagner in africa. kaiser,

thank you very much for joining us. where have you been in africa and who have you worked full? well, my korean contracting started in africa, then move to the middle east and then come back to africa in 2 years. and the jobs all very similar. it just depends which country and which government working for at the tar. how much do you get paid if you don't mind telling us the pay not as for pmc, we're very so much for the contract. a contract and job to job you're doing step regarding it's one salary. and if you're treating job b. s d work. the surveys are completely different. but i think in general, you look at anything from starting salaries from $8.00 to $12000.00 a month going all the way up to $20000.00 a month. and in special circumstances, you do share of cases where the guys are in $2000.00 a day, which gives you another indication on why the gods through the contract. what is

the most interesting thing or things that you've done the 1st time that adult with wagner goes, was ignored, emergent because i had received a contract from the muzzle b, could government to help con, stop the terrorism activities in the north. the received a counter directly from a dormant time. it wasn't because we were not employed by wagner. what as consultants on the side to help him with understanding of the area and sort of his local offices just to assist him in performing the churches in northern was big. at that time, there were 3 or 4 different pm. she's operating the same area. but all those wagner was the biggest one, probably one of the best example shoes, fabia and she's, we used to be restored in the country. was in northern ontario when those letters were calling on color. if i did the north of the country, even kidnapping,

over 200 school girls at one point the nigerian on forces couldn't stop them. and she was hired and it took them a couple of weeks there were pretty equipped bit armed or bitter trained. and what's not, your insecurity forces were and was in a couple of weeks, they're able to push the surgeons right out of the north and calm the whole situation done. something that the niger and armed forces couldn't do for 6 years. in what capacity have you worked with wagner? i think for each contract of the or so pretty similar at the end of the day is that most of us on and off in the armed forces. and once we lift that, we are the surgeons filtered retreat. we couldn't apply anywhere else, but to go to contracting. and if we take into consideration at that time, you know, the middle east spring up was iraq, afghanistan, syria, that was happening. so there was a huge move on the age limit. you guys who are the right age going through some of

these and countries wanting to rock was probably the beginning of contracting as we know today on a big scale where she used that existed years before that but not on a scale like resorting iraq where governments were contracting pm, she used to do government work for these reports about wagner doing all these bad things. have you seen them? i assume you have and what do you make of them pushing? we haven't seen any of your trustees wagner were accused over there working and those would be, i know that every time a p m, she does go into an area. there are a lot of horror stories. chances are my cellphone. you see that normally when you're dealing with bmc such as wagner or the top ta gauze, the folders that are printed into those organizations on the exceptional soldiers or conduct themselves that way, you know, was the duration, are gone so that it has not happened. but i, myself is not unit,

especially not with regular. how does the process actually work? so wagner is invited by a government to come in assisted what happened from them. maybe what would happen if you get contracted in africa? it's a government that doesn't. so the government would put article for help or directly conduct sheet with a specific job, they may be civil unrest. there may be violence that may be rebels in the area which government cannot handle, cannot deal with that may not be equipped to deal with that. that will, that employ the pmc, whether it wagner or another, one to come out under the government. so they will directly with armed forces of the country. they work under the government and they work with government or internationally recognized by the united nations. so that government employs them under j, k they, they go into the area and perform the duties, making the reserve, making sure that peace gets kept in the area. perhaps it would be in

a lot of african countries. we have situations where, when the resources are being exploited by rebels in order to buy weapons, to fight governments. in this case, the pubes would then go and protect the natural resources that the money goes through to the government and not fall into ribble hands. this would be the normal work is over pmc being hired in our forget exactly what happened, mustn't be it's happened. and so it's happened since asking the public law extension the d. c. so the evidence is there were over that she's all hired by government directly to come and perform the duties that the government control. one of the amazing things that everybody talks a lot to work with. but nobody mentioned to us companies and academy, among the most probably probably were the 2 companies operating in africa today in conjunction with the all forces in african countries. what do you think of the us

trying to brand wagner a terrorist organization? i think my experience working across i forgot, and in the middle east, i think whatever doesn't shoot united states is branded as terrorism. wagner is no different to any other american pmc that's operating in africa. well, that operates it in iraq or afghanistan. it's exactly the same principle. it's just that i don't think the suits them are good narrative and i don't think it's the american agenda, which is why they take everything with a terrorism brush. i think a lot of people, what a community has got to do with perception and perhaps the monopoly that the waste has on the mainstream praise. we do see a lot of africa as well, where we have troubles are now starting to be painted or the terrorism brush. this allows for maximum force to be used in those situations because it all falls under the umbrella of combat in derision. what is the difference between wagner and an american pmc like black water?

if it's g to do the difference between a she's operating today where the rich wagner group, where there was black water from the old days, if you are in a frontier and she can re drag it out of china, i don't think there's a difference at all the companies are started the same way more or less the same sort of people. there's actually no difference shortly. i think there's a difference at all. i just think nowadays, if you don't agree with a wasted narrative, you're completely branded a terrorist and outside of everything that i believe and no matter what functional who you're working for. today's double standards in calling the one peace keeping force and the other one a terrorist organization. so i don't think there's a difference in the company's rule. i just a goods who's calling the shots that becomes french. how often is that the governments use the pnc and how do you see the future of war?

is it government versus governmental government versus rebel forces? or is it going to be pmc versus pmc? wagner has been used relatively extensively in africa, with great success. they've been very successful in operation that they've undertaken across africa and entities into the organization. i think there will be utilizing more and more countries you the benefit of having a well trained, well armed entity in your country under the government control. i do see that that's going to it's going to spread out across africa. the more and more countries are going to use that to their advantage. and i think we will see companies like wagner just to begin begun stronger. it happened with black water issue that happened in iraq had happened, didn't have any stand. so it has happened wherever the future is available. the companies will react and the companies will grow. so that's definitely what we see happening in africa at the moment. the companies are growing exponentially,

the demand for the companies is growing exponentially, and i just don't be going into that. i don't think anybody can stop that. no one has changing, and contractors are playing an ever increasing role. the united states is more than a rock and gun is done, was such that for every american soldier, it was at least one contractor. at the height of those was contractors made up between 50 to 70 percent of the u. s. for structure. by comparison, only 10 percent of the force was contracted in world war 2. contractors did most of the bleeding in iraq and afghanistan at the height of the was more contractors were killed than military personnel. mocking the 1st time in history that corporate casualties outweighed military losses on us battlefields, wounded or dead. contractors save clients money because they do not have to pay contractors, hospital bills, or veteran benefits. ultimately, contractors are disposable people. back mercenaries in the past. whack me is

currently in several african countries, libya sudan, marlene mozambique, bettina foster, and the central african republic. we spoke to people on the ground to gauge their opinions. a bible is a local bubble, blah blah blah. but it will be a button that says it's always a good luck on the like this all look when it got to be double. so this is what you don't get to that be good with gets it up. it will reset. so forward. but the other sub

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that yellow sheet. i'm just sunday specifically the sunday the like this will assign. yeah, yes. this is why did you say specifically the song that could be no, no, no proposal deal so much. you know, that sounds a lot of me whisky interview, dallas. what is offering an ally? perform up or as a k e dot com is that, don't ask you for double is a lot better with you find

a game that's considered is still going to pull them as a group. let's close now to political analysts to mom who has extensively studied p and c's. especially wagner. yes, it is white copy of what we give them. why do with

private community money? vanetta because he's in a fight off in free of his if fights for it to retreat. because the, you know, if we talk about div bumped on, for example, in the sixty's, wendy office on offered and countries with having data in dependency. countries like my li, do, you know, quality gonna and so on where to close to russia months. few years ago after some code he thought a good shift. there was a change and do with come 3. it went back again with france or re then, or us day written day m riddle, and they left deed or why atmosphere,

where there were some countries with the exposure to get union and some countries with us and european countries. that's why now new with them countries including who a thing african should continue to belong to them for data and for us for that investment . and they should they get advantageous from the african it resources. that's why they don't want washer troll. it's friday the committee did a company to involve in africa and also been if it's for some african resource, the only thing ease because it belong it belongs to wasa. why if it belonged to a western county like us like australia, like pharaohs, law, yankee yuki or a europe young, a classical european country. they won't fit nothing that was set up if is

something normal. because if in, in, in what they wants in what they wish, the ease is dead interest. but if it is vanetta, because he's booked the interests of west, that's why the out hope was it induct. if not wary that a bit is the quantity current, some an insecurity waiting on some count fees and paul for some private military companies. sometimes it's long, but sometimes sometimes unknown. oh, they don't talk about kids. i thought we'd some people are living in the center of my li, the region of murphy, for example. i said, what about diffusion of wagner? because we were living in the town. like i said, what, what is believe on mr. yes. when vanelle came to support them and in 1000000 military, it's out a lot. i say, oh, did to do? no, that's it. out. they say that it, for the whole default people would use their gums, their weapons,

and after that they hide that weapon. they emerged in the normal population leg i m health bear lake ah, and normal farmers and immersion. the 1000000 sort just normal madeleine. so you wouldn't notice that they are g diesel activities or an army group people involving in the normal population. but to with finance, they sit up dead. it is today's salt jets of veneer. have it kind of devise a kind of machine if they put in to print that off to woody of someone. dakin. no doubt. if the person has been using a weapon on a gun few days ago, even few weeks ago, and if this is the case, they take the person and they bring it or they can depends on does. why did they look of change? when wagner came in the center of, well,

that brings us to the end of the sweet show. we'll keep an eye on washington's efforts to classify wagner as a terrorist organization. but i leave you with the same question we offer at the beginning. what is the difference between wagner and other private military companies? why is wagner alone being singled out? if the on to simply because the thrush and we'd love to hear your feedback, please be in touch and join us again next week when we explore the growing refugee crisis in africa and bring you a report from the world's biggest refugee camp. until then for me and the teen goodbye. the

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in 1846. australia's past is rightly described as blood soaked and races. if at the beginning of colonization, there were one and a half 1000000 indigenous people living on the continent, then by the beginning of the 20th century, their number had decreased l 100000 people. despite the indisputable historical facts, the problem of full recognition of the crimes of white australians against aborigines has not been resolved so far. ah, there is no u. s. strategic national security interest in your created all. i would say there is no interest us interest in ukraine, whereas is very vital and for, for the russian federation that ukraine be restored to a neutral buffer state separated for nato countries. ah

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than is doing now. with i have to say that russia is forced to suspend our involvement in the new start treaty, but the country will not abandon the pot, the last surviving agreement on nuclear disarmament between russia. i'm the new law the mayor put in, made the remarks during his annual address to the russian parliament on a new report from beijing lays out while they called step harold's of us, had gemini painting a picture of the lens. washington go to achieve vision of global democracy and also with relations between russia and china. a rock solid jealous top