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security for all with ah, the hello and welcome to this week's africa. now show i'm policy and i'm with our team in the canyon coastal city of mombasa. this week we explore the wives of terrorism and extremism in africa. and for this reason we've chosen kenya this east african country has seen some of the worst terror attacks in recent history. most of the

attacks are carried out by the hour chabad militant group and its supporters who cross over from somalia to the east. oh. with oh no, that won't happen with that. what happened with that he caught up with 2 of the worst her attacks in recent kenya history. where with the westgate shopping center and the 2 sit hotel complex in the capital nairobi, we will refuse permission to take our cameras inside by the strict security protocols in place in the country. but we did manage to bring you the following reports been more wet. you were one of the more than a 150 people injured june,

the westgate shopping center attack. the september marks 10 years since 67 people were killed. where were you when that attack happened? oh, thank you so very much or so for having me on this program this morning earn. as i told you, my name has been under or strategy governance consultants based in narrow b. and for me, september 21st. 2013 was a saturday like any other. i remember being a saturday, you know, you don't have a very tight program. i was to meet up a friend of mine actually at 10 o'clock. unfortunately he's had a problem with this form. so he used a friend's phone to call me and informed me that you'd be getting is if i form the repair shop for a repair center, just right next to westgate,

i'm not sure whether that's the case to today. and we've made our way through the traffic and i was of the security barrier were just driving an intentional to drive to the roof, where there were a couple of restaurants for lunch. and while the security barrier at that point is when we had one very loud bon, much later came to get the i think it's one of the grenades. they threw into the cafe, which was located on the ground floor. and after the loud bang, it was followed by gunshots and we were 3 of us, the car, and we debated amongst ourselves. and our thinking was perhaps it's just a robbery, or maybe police trying to, to, to get to some tags or something. one of the security guards i remember, was also hiding right next to me. in fact, we were just separated by a small tramp of flowers. and it's, as i was trying to take cover because where was i was sutton

a bullet could not find me from the road. that's when i saw a 2 men walking to them more that there were 2 gates were to drive in. and that is the 2 lanes to drive in and 2 lanes drive out and that, and i saw 2 men walking one through there, driving and the other through the drive out. and i remember very clearly the particular guy who came through the drive in was wearing or the arrow fat's so coverage on his head. and he had bullets strapped around him with a rifle on a k 47. and that's when it hit me that this is probably more serious the made the michelle, he thought, but there was hardly any time to do anything. now you, you are here. and the particular gunman is like maybe 3 or 4 meters away. so you cannot run, there is nothing you can do. and it was, it was quite

a moment for me. so, oh, what i remember vividly was it took aim at the security guard was hiding will. right next to me all was taking cover right next to me and is your shot in the head? and i remember blood just spluttering all over the place and now i didn't know what to do. so my thinking was the only targeting the security guards. and it was in those mom in, in those seconds that i saw him. amy's rifle at me and you see, oh, where i was, i was only separated by my car which was right next of the barrier. and all i remember is i had a very loud, but it was louder than anything else i had heard. and at that particular point,

i didn't know whether i had been shot or not. after that shot, i could hear the gunshots, proceed from where i was. and i could tell from i was like, one of the gunmen went to the basement of the month. and the gunman went to the top because you remember there was me, him, the rooftop. and whether there was there was a cooking competition by children. and i remained in that position for a couple of minutes. and i wasn't sure whether i'd been shot or not. all i remember is i could see because from the position i was in, i was lying down, but with my, my leg folded, i could see a lot of blood on my right leg. and because i could not feel any pain, my imagination was this must have been perhaps the blood splattered from the victim . i had been shot in front of me and i saw one person opened the doors from their car and walk out of the mall with their hands raised up. then i saw

a couple of other people walk out. and it's, at that point, i thought perhaps it's safe, maybe it's rescue that has arrived. and i walked out with my hands raised up. i was limping. actually. that particular point. but i managed to get out of the gates when i got outside the caged. that's when i was so there was a fairly, there was a team of like 3 or 4 guys. i will never allow terrorists to dictate how i leave. because to me, those are cowards. i mean, if you have a grievance that kind of government, oh, you have a group or you have you think you're man enough. go to the face of a military of god face our police. but why is terrorism on the rise in africa and who was responsible for us? before we can investigate these questions? we take a look at who are the major groupings in east africa. i'll ship up was established in 2006 as a splinter group of al qaeda. it's leaders thought autonomy and the operations to

come to the west. wising from the impoverished ranks of somalia, disenfranchised the groups goal is to create an islamic state and to combat the increasing influence of the united states and somalia. important country geographically, horn of africa, that opens the gulf of aidan to the middle east. while in west africa, the same story unfolded in nigeria, we boca which means western education is forbidden, has extended its reach since its why is in the early 2 thousands. the group is responsible for kidnappings, most notably in 2014. when they took hostage, maybe 300 school girls in she book years and making the country ungovernable in an effort to push western influence out of nigeria. as for these, let me state, despite the defeat in the middle east, the numbers and frequency of attacks continues to grow most as wisdom countries show no signs of slowing down the operations for natural resources and increased profits from gas, gold, diamonds,

and ruby extraction. the violence and clashes unlikely to accelerate kenya, both the united nations headquarters of counter terrorism in africa from came yet the un monitors and conduct operations against preventing the spread of terrorism on the continent. but very often it is these operations that perpetuate terrorism, in africa. i spoke with doctor has some kind of an expert in strategic affairs and asked him for his opinion. thank you so much for joining us here. and auntie africa doctor. at the moment, one of the current trends that you notice with regards to terrorism, that he's been a change and especially considering coming back and the number of dynamics i've taken place, the least we that they defeat of icy suspiciously

in its ability to hotels hurry. now what you're seeing is expansion of ice. you seen at the forms by setting up a province. we've been constant, especially in this high hill to the home and central africa region. why can't the americans get a handle on terrorism when they poor so much money into countering it? while efforts by the united states, especially if they renewed efforts under the bed ministration to counter shut up in particular, allowable aid, extremely limited impact because the critical aspects, which is the developmental aspect, is not at being considered sufficiently. so territories that have been liberated for much about, for instance, are not exactly being followed up by the soft power that requires that those communities are no longer left vulnerable, eva, 2 by 2 local warlords or by other extremists. and so focusing on the hard power long has limits and that has been demonstrated, and i think it's going to require, for instance,

the united states as well as those were fighting terrorists me than africa to rethink the strategy holistically. the width is fighting or trying to fight terrorism in east africa. does this, i've only not increased terrorism in this part of the world. over lands on hot power have a direct impact of cause and fueling the seeds of descent and grievance. in part because some of the kind of damage, for instance, the done by drones, had exploited by i'll shut up. but and these not, i found it because then when you kill civilians in the process of conducting a mission, eights for the for terrorist organization and tereceda. ology. now if that again is not followed by a different mechanism that can be able to inspire a hope of cause. what you would be doing is driving people farther into the arm, so to stop stations, as opposed to being the opposite. and so what is happening are people being driven

into the hands of terrorists, to some degree, some of the methods employed driving people into extra isn't. but on a whole, i think eve, those engaged in fighting terrorism. i going to have a holistic approach, especially the economy and political aspects to ensure this full of law to ensure this economic developing chronic draws. to be sure these pieces realty, i think that is the only long term solution. and what kind of hot power, what kind of operations is the waste fueling in east africa that is sending people into the arms of terrorist? the west, of course, is conducting a number of oppressions. some are covered, some of that. now, some are attributed directly, or at least, you know, the width will acknowledge one of the united states may acknowledge conducting certain operations and taking out terror leaderships at and some of it of course, you know, no one claims responsibility for it. but those especially hard power operations

that takes over it involves civilian casualties at exactly the kind of of activities or actions that actually fuel a terrorism. i'm disappointed in the way the west is handling the increase in covers. and i would say, as the efforts are insufficient at while some will be especially taking our leadership of our chabad is something that if you know it's positive, i think, to the extent that said the, you know, sufficient economic and institutional engagement to ensure long term stability it's disappointing to the extent that now the world and the western world has been extremely involved, especially in places such as african from malia that they current your politics seem to have some of the energy outside the priorities on the continent. the home, of course, is something disappointing and is something that i think that the region has to go

to attention that those players need to play a model best role. if we actually have, we, if we have to puzzle jane we and lasting peace, not just in africa, but i think in the global south as we have seen everything ts, if you were to give some kind of prognosis to the future of terrorism in africa. the story looks bleak or positive. i wouldn't, i would say it's somewhere in between. the depends with the kind of effort. so going to be made, especially in the next one or 2 years. if there's going to be a concerted effort of intentional community as well as the continent re focus, it's, it's energy fighting terror. these the likelihood that the trajectory is going to be positive. if on the other hand, are we get consumed with other issues of your politics and take our i of the tariff rate is going to once in the continent. and that is where the fuel ice a few decades ago groups lat, boca rom, al chabad and islamic state was so small that they were not considered

a threat to regional security. but today all of that has changed. i visited the old town of mombasa, which was discovered by the portuguese back in the 1400, to asked people there what they felt. i'm in g y kaylee, the old town of mombasa, where the never streets, the religious flags, and the fact that there is a mosque on almost every street corner lends itself to the fact that so much extremism comes from these quarters. in fact, we have a police presence because it's unsafe or foreigners, and journalists to be in this part of the town, the issue and the problem of terrorism. i shall blame me, trim politics, wrong politics. beat little bit of people who are beaten and lazy people. and religion most people here do they like america or they don't

like american? here we are now the where, where my shop is located here. i can sell like 55 to 60 percent. don't like america . why not? just because of the involvement k, a get mostly. their perspective is about really john. maybe maybe if i'm to mention i've seen the sing that america. what they do are denise the listening countries or medically comerica supporting ladies or things like that. you see the find that they're being pushed. that's why the react industry to be from, from what we've seen so far. it's a bit vague. we see more of the canyon, the security operators within the country doing a lot more where they could have been assisted with the americans to make sure that the safety of all citizens in kenya is looked after. but to, to be frank,

if you ask me if it's felt, it's not felt why, why don't you want to show us your face and to many people here feel the same way you feel normally it's not unless you talk about other country. and then my country is not good. sometimes your 1st maybe be accused of physician to are forcing but to, for some one most. why did america one? kenya, a america's not really fighting terrorism to wise america involved. however, crazy america said they're frightened till but i don't think they're fight if they're frightened. della de should live brazil king a help in king every day. those of some of are coming inside their district or country. they're taking our people every day and sometimes the one to the hospital,

the doctors they are taking every day. they are putting bombs on their roads and then destroy doing i don't think they're helping one outside their should company. and so what are they doing? why are they here if they're not helping they're here to funding give us money, but to stay with us to show us this is tara, this is what they don't do. both attacks what carried out by somali militants at the most dish government no longer. once american assistance in fighting tara, it has come up with a unique way of dealing with the problem. dr. factor, my alley of the us international university in africa, agrees with the approach. i think the approach of the government is the hard approach losing the military because now this is like combat and fiercely warming

them and tracking their own home. and yeah, so really, it's a comment that i am direct contact to fighting that you work with local militias in different areas where this local militia is not in the same ideology. chubb and they do not really here to a very the have to miss. it's a petition of maybe the next all the religion. so you have a pockets of sub sophie. this is, he is also and also following the thomas political ideology but the food perspective. so they're not in twine with the ideology of us above. so they're able to have the commitment to push out and above from refill. and the

other problem will be, even if they approve the bob from these places, they'll be back to over governance of leadership. so the challenge is how when government is companies its presence in all those abs. secondly, the confidence interval build confidence in the people that they're bringing permanent stability to move us above. no other group will come and they will get to reconciliation. and then they, they come to the move forward. so i think that is also the other thing was how to deal with internal politics when it comes to cleansing. because there's always one of the book of defense for manya. and i think also this is what looks like some of the capitalized. so they need to, she would only have the loyalty of their people, of their clansman newman. the fight against tara is not always what it seen in west africa. the terrorist group, boca, her arm was started by extremists. he believed the german government had been in

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you shouldn't. i bunch this get wonderful going on when you die. biondo for one ammonia in disease when when one day a big gun going, she's out ofa and our life would be the pu under now. good. yeah, cush. the fact is that terrorism in africa is on the wives and will continue to do so for as long as countries, i'm not honest about what is happening on the ground when skirmishes and conflicts are given, the level of terrorism. it allows the west to get involved for the only reasons and their own agendas. these powers, like the united states, france and britain very often claimed a fighting tourism in africa, which has a convenient excuse and to which they can hide the operations to extract oil gas and minerals, as well as to influence local policy. well, that brings us to the end of this week show. we hope you found it interesting. you

can of course, always reach out to us on one of our social media platforms until we went through again next week from me and the team hearing tamia co. harry good bye. ah ah. at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq,

to free its people. and to defend the world from grey page. with both we will bring to the iraqi people, food, and medicines, and supplies, and freedom with awe. when this conflict ends and it will let and it must get, there will be again, commercial relationships. they'll be social relationships, they'll be family relationships. it's going to take some time, but it's natural. and you know, there isn't going to be a great wall built between ukraine and the russian federation.

oh, why is the west so determined to continue its ukraine proxy war against russia? how does such a position benefit ukraine instead of considering possible peace agreements? the west, led by washington seems to see war is the only option. why can't there be security for all? with the russian defense ministry say ukraine has lost more than 6000 of its soldiers over the possible south states. the u. s. sounded. western allies are seeking to prolong the conflict with the m. o d. ulta reports russian troops are facing fierce resistance around that done by the ton of money in cash, but tough captured at least $10.00 prisoners were here exclusively from fighters on the front line. more after shocked hip turkey after a set of devastating earthquake to rub edge parts of the country, destroying comans on leaving thousands said there are hundreds in near bring