well those are being hit but it's called the not com or a well those are being hit but it's called the not com bubble is popping the unicorn massacre unfolding today is exactly the level is popping the unicorn massacre unfolding today is exactly the opposite of what happened in 2000 it is easy to look at today's crop of thinking opposite of what happened in 2000 it is easy to look at today's crop of thinking i.p.o.'s like a lift in peloton or scuttled public offerings like we work and i.p.o.'s like a lift in peloton or scuttled public offerings like we work and see an eerie resemblance to the dot com bubble that popped in 2000 both then an eerie resemblance to the dot com bubble that popped in 2000 both then and now consumer tech companies spent lavishly on advertising and struggle to find a path to profit a consumer tech company spent lavishly on advertising and struggle to find a path to profit both then and now companies that bragged about their ability to

change the world it is suddenly that they were actually both then and now companies that brag about their ability to change the world it is suddenly that they were actually running out of money both then and now the valuations of once heralded tech enterprises were having running out of money both then and now the valuations of once heralded tech enterprises were haves in matters of weeks both then and now there were widespread sense of euphoria in matters of weeks both then and now there were widespread sense of euphoria curling into soberness washed down with the realisation that thousands of workers and once promising fertile into soberness washed down with the realisation that thousands of workers and once promising firms were poised to lose their jobs that's right we are having we're poised to lose their jobs that's right we are having another turn of the cycle a lot of it us to do with the fact that so much money was raised in the voting another turn of the cycle a lot of it us to do with the fact that so much money was raised in the van.

capital markets to avoid going public and having a dot com replay of their capital markets to avoid going public and having a dot com replay a lot of these companies raised a lot of money in the venture capital want to before it ever reached a lot of these companies raised a lot of money in the venture capital want to before it ever reached the public market so in the case away work they achieved something like a $48000000000.00 public market so in the case away work they achieved something like a $48000000000.00 valuation before even going public and during that time this is what's remarkable dollar valuation before even going public and during that time this is what's remarkable to me during the dot com bubble there was a lot of problems with c. to me during the dot com bubble there was a lot of problems with c.e.o.'s and insiders dumping stock right after the i.p.o. their ship was an insiders dumping stock right after the i.p.o. there should be

a lockup period to force people keep people to stay on for at least be a lock up period to force people keep people to stay on for at least 6 months or a year to make sure this thing gets out of the gate it without too many 6 months or a year to make sure this thing gets out of the gate it without too many problems here in this era the we work being a primary example the problems here in this era of the we work being a primary example the founder an insider was able to dump almost a $1000000000.00 because the founder an insider was able to dump almost a $1000000000.00 before the i.p.o. to the sophisticated money not to the dummy for the i.p.o. to the sophisticated money not to the dumb money he had he was dumping it on multi-billionaires the venture county he had he was dumping it on multi-billionaires the venture. pittel community which had grown up on this in the

last 1015 years on up a whole community which had grown up on this in the last 1015 years on this unicorn mentality that they were but it's similar that they were all this unicorn mentality that they were but similar that they were all so feeding on the same delusion and they had prophets early on feeding on the same delusion and they had profits early on in the couple of big big winners that they were recycling so you recycling kind of the one in a couple of big big winners that they were recycling so you recycling kind of the house money as it goes in the valuations keep going higher and higher but now some money as it goes in the valuations keep going higher and higher but there is defectively the same but they're not publicly traded but it will the question is will they defect to be the same but they're not publicly traded but it will the question is will it have a contagion effect will the spillover into

a wider stock market phenomena it would have a contagion effect will the spillover into a wider stock market phenomena and therefore a wider economic phenomena it is having the impact in silicon valley that house prices are there for a wider economic phenomena it is having the impact in silicon valley that house prices are falling rapidly because a lot of people were hoping to you know buy properties that they could falling rapidly because a lot of people were hoping to you know buy properties that they could afford if their we work shares were worth something so now they forward if their we work shares were worth something so now there is this guy who's calling it the not com bubble not the dot com bubble this guy is calling it the not com bubble not the dot com bubble because in fact a lot of these companies are just masquerading as tech company because in fact a lot of these companies are just masquerading as tech come. bennies there not

actually tech companies we work it's not a tech company it's the same old fashioned commercial real estate lending and leasing is they're not actually tech companies we work it's not a tech company it's the same old fashioned commercial real estate lending and leasing sort of thing that's been going on it's a boring industry that's been around for hundreds of years and sort of thing that's been going on as a boring industry that's been around for hundreds of years and it's the same industry but it's just been was branded as some sort of high tech in the same industry but it's just been was branded as some sort of high tech software company where you can get big multiples so why is calling and not com is because software company where you can get big multiples so why is calling and not com is because the ordinary investor is way smarter right now than the v.c. funds because the ordinary investor is way smarter right now than the v.c. funds because when the web browser netscape went public august 9th 1905 the does

when the web browser netscape went public aug 9th 1905 the day many sites as the beginning of the dot com bubble its stock skyrocketed from 28 day many site to the beginning of the dot com bubble its stock skyrocketed from $28.00 to $75.00 in a matter of hours even though the company was not profitable alors to $75.00 in a matter of hours even though the company was not profitable and today's market the opposite is happening unicorns with no positive earnings are getting slaughtered and today's market the opposite is happening unicorns with no positive earnings are getting slaughtered at the gates we were expel you ation fell more than 80 percent pre i.p.o. at the gates we were expel you ation fell more than 80 percent pre i.p.o. when investors balked at its mounting losses peloton lift and goober have also struggled to prevent investors balked at its mounting losses peloton lifton hooper have also struggled to. persuade public markets to grade them on

a curve also their stock prices fall on the day of the persuade public markets to grade them on a curve also their stock prices fall on the day of the public offering institutions and retail investors are refusing to fork over to unicorn public offering institutions and retail investors are refusing to fork over to unicorns the valuations that private investors were expecting particularly soft but the valuations that private investors were expecting particularly soft bank a major backer of lift and we work this isn't a picture of mass meeting a major backer of a lift and we work this isn't a picture of mass media it's a picture of public so brian where the masses are diagnosing and it's a picture of public so brian where the masses are diagnosing an acute fever in private markets bringing that back to the opening statement where i said this cute fever in private markets bring that back to the opening statement where i said this

because you watch kaiser report we've been covering this we've been i remember misfire science showing charm because you watch kaiser report we've been covering this we've been i remember misfire science showing charts and saying when we were still in london 3 or 4 years ago saying that lifton and saying when we were still in london 3 or 4 years ago saying that lifton these companies were not worth that that they were a ponzi schemes and that one day they were trying to dump it on the these companies were not worth that that they were ponzi schemes and that one day they were trying to dump it on the public markets so i think this is also part of that censorship deal public markets so i think this is also part of that censorship d. platforming sort of thing that we see is like the the corporate media dumb platforming sort of thing that we see is like the the corporate media doesn't have control over the dummies you know the dumb money that used to be called the dumb money the doesn't have control over the dummies you know the dumb money that used to be called the dumb money the. average ordinary investor out there that is used

to dump that private invest our bridge ordinary investor out there that is used to dump the private investor money onto the dot com phenomenon if you're going back to that era you have money on to the dot com phenomenon if you're going back to that era you know it was technology software problem technology driven where it was technology a software problem technology driven where the pitch would be we're going to do publishing on the internet the pitch would be we're going to do publishing on the internet you know in that magazines and newspapers will become redundant people will get their news you know in that magazines and newspapers will become redundant people will get their news on the internet at the time nobody believed that. e-mail is on the internet at the time nobody believed that an email at that time

a member of hollywood at the time i was working and it was if you had an e-mail address at that time a member of hollywood at the time i was working and it would if you had an email address it was considered a class a because you were considered a nerd nobody with it was considered a class a because you were considered a nerd nobody with respectable would have an email address you know the that's how until the blair witch project spectacle would have an email address you know the that's how until the blair witch project and then everything changed in hollywood because of the internet but here the story of the it in than everything changed in hollywood because of the internet but here the story of the not com vc driven unicorn craziness not. the sea driven unicorn craziness is even more bizarre in that it's companies like we work is even more bizarre in that it's companies like we work. the pitch was they're going

to own the global real estate market the pitch was they're going to own the global real estate market so the founder was saying that the global real estate market is for kit so the founder was saying that the global real estate market is 5 trillion dollars or 10 trillion dollars and that we could own it and that 5 trillion dollars or 10 trillion dollars and that we could own it and that pets raised tens of billions of dollars that would be like saying i'm gets raised tens of billions of dollars that would be like saying i'm going to i'm going to start farming you know kumquats on the dark side of the money i'm going to start farming you know kumquats on the dark side of the moon because it's it's just i'm the the center of the story because it's it's just i'm the the center of the story that.

if people think it is risky picks will take the press in this in early in the just coming to or through or that we're just coming through has become even less less substantial it's never have such as has become even less less substantial it's never have such a such stories of lust such as a student raises the last bit has up sevens raised so many have money on these some money any money and money from so such a high concentration of the seas and now as you point out it's collapse and of course they're unicorns which are mystical magical creatures so it was always that and it is a world of negative interest rates so there we have gone kind of through a looking glass where maybe hugh might imagine that this time having cups and of course there unicorns which are mystical magical creatures so it was always that and it is a world of negative interest rates so there we have gone kind of the. a looking

glass where maybe hugh might imagine that this time having huge losses and being subsidized by your investors and your bond holders because i'm a huge losses and being subsidized by your investors and your bond holders because remember there were people bond investors pouring money into. there were people bond investors pouring money into. and subsidizing huge percentage of every ride you take in and subsidizing huge percentage of every ride you take in super is subsidized by these crazy investors i don't know why they pay for half of my or i but they do and i take it and thank you it's very polite of them but there they were never earning money and there was no hope for it we also talked about this in terms of the shale oil production bond investors are pouring money into it the billions and billions of dollars your pension fund take it and thank you it's very polite of them but there they were never earning money and there was no hope for it we also talked about this in terms of the shell oil production bond

investors are pouring money into it the billions and billions of dollars your pension fund your local municipalities your like your state pensions everybody's pouring money and fund your local municipalities your like your state pensions everybody's pouring money into it and we kept looking at it and just looking at their earnings reports and looking at the facts and so and we kept looking at it and just looking at their earnings reports and looking at the facts and said just quite simply they are losing money that they still haven't made and said just quite simply they are losing money they still haven't made money they didn't make money when it was $20.00 a barrel for oil they didn't make money when it was $100.00 me they didn't make money when it was $20.00 a barrel for oil they didn't make money when it was $110.00 a barrel so they're they're not they're losing money the whole way because that way it read good in $10.00 a barrel so they're they're not they're losing money the whole way because that way it read crean students. syndrome where they have to keep on drilling faster and

faster well now it's really really suffering syndrome where they have to keep on drilling faster and faster well now it's really really starting to hit again just like the no not com bubble where the public markets are starting to hit again just like the no not com bubble where the public markets are saying do you guys aren't making money and you're never going to make money well it's starting to really hitting these you guys aren't making money and you're never going to make money well it's starting to really hit in the shale oil sector in america despite all the hype despite the shale oil sector in america despite all the hype despite that like what you were saying about newman with we work where he's like we're going to hold the global commercial real estate like what you were saying about newman with we work where he's like we're going to hold the global commercial real estate market member all the headlines that america is like we produce way more oil than saudi arabia market member all the headlines that america is like we produce way more oil than saudi arabia where we're an oil rich nation you know like them foil field

services figure where we're an oil rich nation you know like them foil field services face crisis as shale slowdown worsens shell oil producers are under fire from investors while most analysts see a supply glut in 2020 the 1st and 3rd base crisis as shale slowdown worsens shell oil producers are under fire from investors while most analysts see a supply glut in 2020 the 1st and 3rd largest oil field service companies in the world saw their earnings hit in the 3rd quarter largest oil field service companies in the world saw their earnings hit in the 3rd quarter due to the slowdown in the u.s. shale drilling schlumberger took a 12 points are due to the slowdown in the u.s. shale drilling schlumberger took a $12700000000.00 impairment charge related to its north american business around $7000000000.00 impairment charge related to its north american business a rather dramatic slowdown that led to an. $11400000000.00 loss for the magic of

the large low just as in them that led to an $11400000000.00 loss for the quarter the largest in the company's history. pumping because that's the best sizable right down from pressure pumping business that's just you just the states held knows north america you know a market of being profit even more pork or not sanford and the paddock it being pretty poor said anish founder of oil and gas consultancy from a cap and energy to the cost of via found oil and gas consultancy from a cap and energy if the cost of getting a barrel of oil in saudi arabia the gal our oil field is like 2 bucks getting a barrel of oil in saudi arabia the gal our oil field is like 2 bucks yeah in america you get a barrel of oil you know going to get older but. you need to. point to thousands and thousands but i don't usually borrow $20000.00 which is easy. because he's what we're saying here the unicorn to qana me they just they were listening and they

were unocal untruly or economy they they just they lend they lend trillions at no cost ok so now when rates go up as they will because it said no cost ok so now when rates go up as they will because as night as night follows day as gravity exists as there is haven't been and hell their rates are going to go up and that means that the saudis can still get tell their rates are going to go up and that means that the saudis can still get a barrel oil for 2 bucks a barrel oil. and the point you can't borrow $10.00 to $20000.00 in a barrel or in the in the u.s. and the cost of this goes up beyond what you can afford it about one percent a barrel all in the in the u.s. if the cost of this goes up beyond what you can afford it but one thing we always mentioned was like ok where. we know one when we always mention was like ok

where. we know what producers but of course saudi arabia kuwait iran iraq russia producers but of course saudi arabia kuwait iran iraq russia they all they're like yeah but it only cost us a few bucks like we we know you're spending $70.00 to pull out that same barrel of oil right the same thing was happening with the taxi they all they're like yeah but it only cost us a few bucks like we we know you're spending 70 bucks to pull out that same barrel of oil right the same thing was happening with the taxi market the taxi drivers know how much it costs for all the regulations that the insurance the gasoline market the taxi drivers know how much it costs for all the regulations that the insurance the gasoline the driver and they're like yeah you're like eating our lunch technique in the driver and they're like yeah you're like eating our lunch technically right now but you're losing money late how is that even a visibly right now you're losing money now is that we that even if their business

so they're very similar these 2 in terms of the magical quality if you have actually very similar these 2 in terms of the magical quality if you have access to unlimited money and 0 percent interest rate you're going to try to do something like dominate us to unlimited money and 0 percent interest rate you're going to try to do something like dominate the global taxi business you're going to try to dominate the global energy business you'll try to dominate the global real to global taxi business you're going to try to dominate the global energy business you'll try to dominate the global real estate market those are stablished businesses you want to dominate them because you're literally being a slave market those are stablished businesses you want to dominate them because you're literally being given unlimited financing at almost 0 percent you haven't unlimited financing at almost 0 percent. call costs so if you settle no if you hear if you're in mexico people math yet. if you're

a psychopath you'd say you know what i want to be the number one realtor or on planet earth say you know what i got when i was a big 3 they say the number one risk they will fall or errors on planet earth is $50000000000.00 to water all streets and go take out some long to say well here's $50000000000.00 and go take out some long term leases all over the world to become the number one property owner in the lease or term leases all over the world to become the number one property owner in the lease or not owner for a bit and then try to rent it out on a short term basis and 0 not owner for a bit and then try to rent it out on a short term basis and 015 months later it's not worth $40000000000.00 or $50000000000.00 it's actually maybe worth 2000000015 months later it's not worth 40000000000 or 50000000000 it's actually maybe worth 2000000000 according to one analyst going to 000 how predictable is that according to one analyst going to 0.

how predictable is that what are you predictable if we only go for the magic if we believe the magic story if we were very predictable if we only go for the magic if we believe the magic story if we lose the capacity to actually produce bluejays that can. actually capacity do to us and actually of our food lose the capacity to actually have a say in. how i was housing using improper property of opportunity make it more like a food more and our agriculture industry would mark an agricultural industry like it is it is costly to produce protein but we've like it like. it does cost reduced protein i must say that we've that we've done with on the sewer and saying gas namely that when and with fracking is that we pretend we can have a burger and gasoline and with fracking is that we pretend like we can have magical food that provides all these ingredients and nutrition there's no magic of magical

food that provides all these ingredients and nutrition it's not magic it's the kaiser report but max and stacey don't go away we'll be back after the it's the kaiser report with max and stacey don't go away we're back after the. visit our good. friend of the president to the city back to the better that is the center of the. united states didn't seem real. good. to move goods worked at.

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welcome back to the kaiser of time not. about accuracy because i asked about the time i'm not clear a turn or a conversation with the me of club or a lot. of dot dot dot com explain. it to him but if you get great image to be weeks if you're only getting the next year over in st petersburg in russia we the year we were talking about really were in st petersburg in russia we. we were talking about really what's happening the global economy we've got the ascent of china we've got the ascent of russia what's happening the global economy we've got the ascent of china we've got the ascent of russia we've got the u.s. seemingly twiddling their thumbs you're talking about russia and we've got the u.s.

seemingly twiddling their thumbs you're talking about russia and china pretty much as centralized governments just. as centralized governments you use a phrase stalin ism 2.0 and you know as an american. stalin ism i look what it is and i know said ok and now i would go as a direct think arc that in a decent as approach that we have i look at this and i say ok i would think that a decentralized approach that we have in america is is something to pursue but clearly the u.s. model is break out in america is is something to pursue but clearly the u.s. model is breaking down for various reasons so we've got to get a perspective your perspective i think is extremely king down for various reasons so we've got to get a priest but your perspective i think is extremely valuable here we want to continue and i just want to ask you also you know any valuable here we want to

continue and i just want to ask you also you know it's interesting happening in germany dimitri. despite threats of sanctions just interesting happening in germany dimitri despite threats of sanctions germany is embracing china's cheap 5 g. technology the u.s. army is embracing china's cheap 5 g. technology the u.s. says no 5 g. technology and you know germany seems to be like a swiss no 5 g. technology and you know germany seems to be like a swing vote here between this struggle between the u.s. . vote here between this struggle between the u.s. china and russia germany it know if they could they've been a u.s. ally and russia germany it know if they could they've been a u.s. ally they could be up for grabs they could enter into that alignment with right they could be up for grabs they could enter into that alignment with russia china

dimitri what do you think it's difficult for germany because they have such a china dmitri what do you think it's difficult for germany because they have surrendered a great deal of their sovereignty to the united states after world war 2 and then surrendered a great deal of their sovereignty to the united states after world war 2 and then is germany of course ceased to exist and its sovereignty went over is germany of course ceased to exist and its sovereignty went to over to the united states as well so they're not really in charge of their own affairs but up to the united states as well so they're not really in charge of their own affairs but on the other hand the americans are so asleep at the wheel right now that you know when the cat on the other hand the americans are so asleep at the wheel right now that you know when the cat's away to moscow the mice will play and so the germans do end up doing a lot of this a way to moscow the mice will play and so the germans do end up doing

a lot of things that americans don't necessarily approve off just building lots of factories in russia thanks that americans don't necessarily approve off just building lots of factories in russia. so i think that germany could. so i think that germany could get closer and closer to russia as the united states drifts get closer and closer to russia as the united states drifts farther and farther away on terms of technological lead you know 5 churns further away on terms of technological lead you know 5 g. is just one example there are lots of others were. both e.d.s. just one example there are lots of others were. both the united states and the europeans have lost their edge nuclear energy is that it states and the europeans

have lost their edge nuclear energy is is one of them for instance americans no longer know how to enrich your it is one of them for instance americans no longer know how to enrich uranium they rely. on russia to do that for them and france to some extent but russia is by far the foggiest along and india they rely. on russia to do that for them and france to some extent but russia is by far the foggiest along in in that in that program they also have failed in that in that program they also have failed. they lost a clean up lots and states the cooked up belittled and states will build not react . on time and within budget all of their projects latest projects on time and within budget all of their projects latest projects

have been complete disasters the united states has $100.00 nuclear said than complete disasters the united states has 100 nuclear reactors addison quater a lot of the electricity is adequate these are vital a lot agent to get the outlook to. it's a growing city and these are all aging out they're going to be shut down but they don't know how to replace them shutting up that account but states don't know that's an. ice in america states doesn't know how to build icebreakers anymore it's been decades since they built one o. the people who new are standing with or built. since they built one well the people who knew how to build one are the rear door to your door. is your t's crossed. out of a static states has stands no chance that in terms of it checks and splitting it. into our terms ticks of. a ship which is arctic you know the arctic is

thawing out so a lot of the law conceptuality russia which you know the arctic is thawing out so a lot of opportunities there and the americans won't be able to make use of them not only is this american and the americans will be able to make use of them not only is this american bigotry toward russia kind of circa soviet union times and bigotry toward russia kind of circa soviet union times but america perception of russia's financial prowess and manifest but america's perception of russia's financial prowess and manufacturing abilities etc are as also completely out of date i don't think people who are staggering abilities etc are as also completely out of date i don't think people understand that for us of economy has been thriving in our alongside and that for us of economy has been thriving in no

alongside china. and this is the tragedy of all this china. and this is the tragedy of all this is that there's just a lack of information in the us if i watch cable news i'm i looks like a model is that there's just a lack of information in the u.s. if i watch. abled is i'm i looks like i'm watching a russia soviet t.v. from the 1950 s. there's been no updating to anyone fire ching russia soviet t.v. from the 1950 s. there's been no updating to anyone's files over there c.n. be say and basically a.b.c. sells over there today and they say they live and base completely a bit lazy and they are living completely in the past i want to kind of talk a little bit about these waves of economic past i want to kind of talk a little bit about these waves of economic protests been happening across the world from chile france spain iraq lebanon haiti the protests been happening across the world from chile france spain iraq lebanon haiti mostly to do with austerity high

prices economic mismanagement a mostly to do with austerity high prices economic mismanagement is there a bigger story going on here oh yes there's the whole industry is there a bigger story going on here oh yes there's the whole industry in fomenting use revolt in various countries around the world it works through various western n.g.o.s. social media companies are in fomenting use revolt in various countries around the world it works through various western n.g.o.s. social media companies or involves. a lot of other garc sir are throwing money at it involves. a lot of other garc sir are throwing money at it this is a way off a flight in economic backfires in order to this is a way off a flight in economic backfires in order to trade any extra cash towards the

financial centers in london that washington drain any extra cash towards the financial centers in london that washington so basically if for it they would bomb a country and steal its gold they could so basically if for it they would bow mco. trade steel it's gold they did that to libya as they did that to iraq. they stole you crates gold cetera to libya as they did that to iraq. they stole your crates gold cetera just to basically prop up this western bubble economy scheme for a little just to basically prop up this western bubble economy scheme for a little further for a little longer now they can't even afford to just do a bombing campaign so instead for a longer now they can't even afford to just do a bombing campaign so instead they sacrifice a young people off one country after another you know that they sacrificed a young people off one country after another you know thinking that you know this

is the meat generation not the milk generation because financially there's thinking that you know this is the meat generation not the milk generation because financially there's no way to milk these young people so what why don't we just. no way to milk these young people so what why don't we just go ahead and sacrifice them and you know this is just a way of cars go ahead and sacrifice them and you know this is just a way of causing capital flight. knocking various economies out so that they can't compete for increasingly scarce think capital flight. knocking various economies out so that they can't compete for increasingly scarce financial resources. you know this is this is a very nasty financial resources. you know this is this is

a very nasty thing that's going on it has very little to do with with corruption as i like to say the united states is the thing that's going on it has very little to do with with corruption as i like to say the united states is the most corrupt country in the world because their corruption corruption has been legalised the most corrupt country in the world because there. corruption has been legalised it's coke lobby all other countries in the world are less corrupt than the united states so coke lobby all other countries in the world are less corrupt than the united states so western inspired anti corruption drugs here and there and everywhere you know western inspired anti corruption drugs here and there and everywhere you know effect that's just propaganda that's just a rabble rousing kind of effect that's just propaganda that's just a rabble rousing kind of approach when you say the us is the most corrupt nation they i'd love to be able to argue the roach when you say the us is the most corrupt nation they i'd love to be able to argue that's not the case but then i remember

jamie dimon over there j.p. morgan being processed that's not the case but then i remember jamie dimon over there j.p. morgan being prosecuted and investigated for racketeering and massive multi $100000000000.00 of fraud hated and investigated for racketeering and massive multi $100000000000.00 of fraud it's hard to argue what you're saying you know you mention that but it's hard to argue what you're saying you know you mention that the financial centers london and new york are the centers of this global the financial centers london and new york are the centers of this global corruption and i think about russia russia doesn't have that kind of a corruption and i think about russia russia doesn't have that kind of financial center is gotten it's kind of like divorcing its own anshul center is gotten it's kind of like divorcing itself from the financial ization of the

global economy by buy off from the financial ization of the global economy by buying hundreds and hundreds of tons of gold you know they're going is russia going to come out with a gold backing hundreds and hundreds of tons of gold you know they're going it is rough. you're going to come out with a gold backed currency i realize this is a bit of speculation but it seems like russia maybe russia and china a currency i realize this is a bit of speculation but it seems like russia may be russia and china are going to come out with a gold back or partially gold backed currency or china are going to come out with a gold back or partially gold backed currency or china has been speculated well now they've got 20000 tons of gold which is more than anyone has been stance by that i q lated well now they've got 20000 tons of gold which is more than anyone understand that they have or might have is that is that going to be we you know you wrote the callet i have or might have is that is that going to be you know you

wrote the collapse gap and is as up at the can on the hand grenade that and is that the pin on the hand grenade that's going to be pulled that's going to put a dollar. into the fit's a little going to tell puts but the dollar into a fatal tailspin the death dive is that somebody is going to announce a gold backed currency dmitri i didn't a death dive is that somebody is going to announce a gold backed currency dmitri i think the strategy both for russia is to get a list the tragedy of the paralytic and for us for china you know is to let the americans do it oh to themselves by themselves. i won't be any whoa to themselves by themselves. i won't be anyone but themselves to blame. the americans are following along with this program really well with a program of some sanctions limiting people's access on but themselves to blame.

they americans are following along with this program really well with a program of sept sanctions limiting people's access to dollar transactions threatening to cut people off from the swift network for instance to dollar transactions threatening to cut people off from the swift network for instance. that there is a basically simply i sucked right through the branch of the president which on star when. they're doing it i don't think that themselves nobody has to help them now what russia and china will do is continue cells nobody has to help them now what russia and china will do is continue to do trade between the 2 countries and with other countries you have to do trade between the 2 countries and with other countries. for imperius other trade consortia based on local currencies. form various other trade consortia based on local currencies there is currency

swaps will be backed by gold get gold guarantees there is currency swaps will be backed by gold get gold guarantees if you will just to stabilize things to make sure that it's not just a perk if you will just to stabilize things to make sure that it's not just a perk but that's probably all it's going to be and of course nobody's really interested in but that's probably all it's going to be and of course nobody is really interested in major financial destructions which will occur but they will be produced by the major financial destructions which will occur but they will be produced by the united states acting alone a money for a while and i know that you have a background in engine out of states acting alone a money for a while and i know that you have a background in engineering you know what you think about this boeing 737 scandal the other player. you know what you think about this boeing 737 scandal the other

plane they are outsourcing software to minimum wage workers in india while they are outsourcing software to minimum wage workers in india while the executives are buying back billions of stock for themselves and making a killing and the executives are buying back billions of stock for themselves and making a killing and you know that seems pretty. up to me did you take a look at that what it what do you think it's really miserable you know that seems very corrupt to me did you take a look at that what it what do you think it's really miserable how the engineering culture in the united states has decayed bill how the engineering culture in the united states has decayed and it's really adequate such an issue it's really is it a charge of business mr quinn best of finance true is it or is just that businessmen the financier's or the engineers the whole mindset in the united states is you basically have or the engineers the whole mindset in the united states is you basically hire and fire and she nears average fire and she did it piers to do

adds up needed to do it or to protect jobs if you if i didn't mention here who is cheaper in india than you hire should i enter her house to meet people and if you're interested in then you are other either and you know here's other engineers will tell you to. look this is just something. it doesn't. somehow a paradox up all about about money none of it has to do with the characteristics of a now physical nonsense as have just said well jail it with the characteristics of a physical systems at all and basically it's a prescription for disaster because money money meant didn't and basically it's a prescription for disaster because money money men do not understand engineering to the extent needed you know to effectively manage it now what the chinese and the russians do is they promote engineers to points off risk but understand engineering

to the extent needed you know to effectively manage it now what the chinese and the russians do is they promote engineers to points off responsibility executives responsibility they don't just hire money to do that john civility executive responsibility they don't just hire money to do that job i love your point about mill. and meat you know there's. i love your point about milk and meat you know there's you can milk this next generation well as paul krugman would suggest that we only all the dead doris look this next generation les paul krugman one suggest that we only all the dead to ourselves he says are just be milking the the youth until they can no longer be belt dollars he says he just be milking the the youth until they can no longer be belts and then their meat in the case of the us all the student debt has forced the students and then their meet in the case of the us all the student debt has forced the students now to go off for their meat as

military conscripts out to go offer their meat as military conscripts to go fight people there even know who they're fighting it's just a generic war that to go fight people there even know who they're fighting it's just a generic war that they go out and try to pay back their student debt and certainly a see that happening they go out and try to pay back their student debt and certainly a see that happening let me eat you know i guess then another good engineer another question. then just it's they get a lot of interest rates you know last time we talked there's no such thing existed and i had never been contemplated in the history of us time we talked there is no such thing existed and it had never been contemplated in the history of the world this is an engineer. some to one or a lot of the this is an engineer. something going on the financial engineers here

negative interest rates isn't crazy when you think about this with negative interest natural engineers here negative interest rates isn't crazy when you think about this with negative interest rates will become these financial and to poach to hop around on their heads you know traits will become these financial and to poach to hop around on their heads you know where a to borrow. we are fight for saving. that we're paid to borrow we are fight for saving. it's it's insane and it will go on for any length of it's it's insane and it will go on for any length of time because basically they tell us simply had to because what participate. isn't creating the incentives for participating in any kind of a banking skinny cunt of a bank being scammed. if you have if it's going you have kind of left is kind of force like the 4 parts there is like ok

there is you have to have serious you get your secret or your credit card for every setting. for every oh you're a somebody has to be in this financial mess the chip mission with all your body has to be within this financial institution which will slowly confiscated over time. who is going to go which will slowly confiscated over time. who is going to go along with along with it that's who for any length of time who will put out what he'll that's the length of the concept will put out with that sort of nonsense so it's just a question of time there's a lot of social in their ship people will you know so it's just a question of time there's a lot of social in their ship people will you know because they're losing a little bit of money at a time right now. you know because they're losing a little bit of money at a time right now. you know they'll put they'll put up with it for the time being

but you know i did some like socal put put up with it for the time being but you know i did some like straight line project projections in terms of ever lower interest rates straight line project projections in terms of ever lower interest rates and if you just like plotted out it turns out you know it looks like we're going to add if you just like plotted out it turns out you know it looks like we're going to have to have ever more negative interest rates that's what a lot of guests of ours are saying would have to have ever more negative interest rates that's what a lot of guests of ours are saying and we got to go quick question how long would it take me to grow a beard like that you got to go quick question how long would it take me to grow a beard like that 3 years thank you adam major for being on the kaiser report thank you right. here's thank you adam nature for being on the kaiser for thank you that's going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me next kaiser in

states where i want to thank you well that's going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report let me max kaiser in states where i want to thank our guests matri our law if you want to catch us on twitter it's kaiser report it's a nice time by guesstimates we are law if you want to catch us on twitter it's kaiser report it's a nice time. during the great depression which. during the great depression which are old enough to remember there was most of the family were employed. there wasn't member

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leader of the on the u.k.'s parliament finally starts talking about other things but the prime minister and the leader of the opposition clashing over everything from russia and salisbury to u.s. designs on the n.h.s. with the clashing over everything from russia and salisbury to u.s. designs on the n.h.s. . you know all the race to become the democrats. you know all the race to become the democrats 2020 presidential candidate in the us is growing ever tighter many voters still on this 2020 presidential candidate in the u.s. is growing ever tighter many voters still undecided over put it back. there's such a big push to just get donald trump out of office i did over put it back. there's such a big push to just get donald trump out of office because there's a lot of confusion with the democrats and they're not really uniting together just because there's a lot of confusion with the democrats and they're not really uniting together to make one strong candidate. also this hour facebook to make one strong

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