in barking on the global charm offensive has it been successful in getting the maximum russian policy pursued by the americans opposed to discuss that allowed joined by how did that is that as these the assistant professor for regional studies at shahid to university if there is this is good to talk to thank you very much for doing much very much now you know i had a chance to interview the reigning foreign minister just a few weeks ago and what was very special about that interview very notable i thought their request for it came not from our side as usually happens but from the ukrainian side when i later looked into the frequency of the minister's media appearances i think he may have given more interviews these here than in all the previous years combined and i think the same goes for president the high means well how do you explain these so. in the iranian public outreach it's not something really new i mean this kind of trying to expand public diplomacy it's

been employees scenes the early days of the definitely going to. you know see the frequency of the interviews you can see the frequency of tweets and there has been a dramatic and actually. it could be partly explained by the intensification of pressure campaign by does the with that aside specially the u.s. and i'm not talking just about the economic pressure i'm talking about the media campaign treats or campaign i mean social media in general if such a car no public diplomacy was absent in the general framework of the. you know foreign policy it's would be really difficult for your aunt to really you know actually. it's real position. to clarify. i mean positions on. different issues and also to reshow. targets countries. is

this towards now speaking about the target audience i thought that the main target audience for this media appearances over the last couple of months have been the europeans with their. feeble attempts to salvage part of the 2015 nuclear deal i think it's out clear that that's not going to happen but do you think the authorities in teheran ever sincerely believe that the europeans with the go against the americans in such a serious and followed say provocative way. actually it wasn't a waltz believe it wasn't balls hope you know hoping that's in the car and you know trends in the international affairs i mean that's kind of the you know rather demise of the german a troll of the united states on the rise of the other main centers of power like

china and russia europe would also be willing to you know take a kind of independent role in the international arena so you don't try if we are to. talk about the initiatives very well you're on and also about the recent you know they've all of. the recent phases of the reduction of iran's commitments under the nuclear deal reached kind of a gradual pattern in dealing with the europeans so at the 1st because you're wrong from the very beginning. its commitment to the nuclear deal you try to save it's with the remaining parties but after being disappointed from from the european side it's try to you know actually change its approach in order to get them on board so i can say that's your own is still hopeful to save the deal based on the current

actors remained which remains in just disappear way but i mean. what hope is there left especially after the europeans very suddenly change their position on. the recent saudi attacks and blame the iran for those attacks in diplomatic terms it was clear that it was not only about the saudi air attacks but it was also i think about that track they had rainy and track and that commitments to. say don't you think so. actually. i think the european assessment of course it was seen in iran as a kind of negative which was a kind of negative move you know what's on the other hand it isn't. you know name iran as as being conducted the attacks it said they said it was responsible and that responsibility one of. chancellor make of try to somehow modify the position

i'm not going into details of that i'm saying that's. at the current situation maybe iran's that's hope i was talking about is that maybe you do europeans based on the for example the recent initiatives raised by manuel micron of france maybe they can do something to you know all americans to the negotiating table indeed mutually accept a terror i mean. i'm sure structure that is siding. position jast with their parents about you know in terms of trying to learn the americans to be negotiating table the mistrust between iran and the european sides. droving got the moments let's hope i was talking about is that i mean from the arena on side is that maybe the europeans can come po'd and can convince the united states to lift the

sanctions to do something for diplomacy to gets back to the threat you know i think iran has been trying to achieve i mean it has defined a kind of 2 fold approach industries are. why did reduction of the comment means either do europeans would be you know somehow feeling to do something against the united states and save the nuclear deal why some measures like in states or something like that or at the end of the day there will be new negotiations between . all the sides again including the united states so iran would need some kind of lower edge industry guard. is it fair to say that both of these tracks have failed . i mean from the european side it's been mostly restricted to do you know expressing political support and also from the american side i'm sure that you have seen the reports of what's happened to you new u.n.

general assembly recently. only condition was that the united states should remove the sanctions and then the talks would be possible what the united states refused to do so and for iran you know it's not about just the governments it's the also the public opinion there is a deep and increasing resource toward the united states because of israel from the juice if you are so there was a real concern that if iran goes through the negotiation new negotiations with the united states and then the united states again refuses to lift the sanctions large the same they did to north korea everything would be even worse than the disease so yes from one point of view we can see that those initiatives have failed by i can see the signs of new initiative in place i mean starting the diplomacy extract from inside the region talking about the recent signs of you know reeling this

for target between for talks between iran and saudi arabia expressed fiberboard to both sides president trump and his secretary of state mike dante are awesome to talk about toughness as the main feature of their foreign policy especially iran why do you think down they laughed those attacks on that on the facilities that act that they blame squarely on iran without any. response that would demonstrate that toughness and all about the sanctions against the central bank but that i think you would agree that compared to the magnitude of the charges. that there are actually took out those facilities and this is minuscule why do you think they have not responded in a tough way. i think there are several reasons 1st of all because there hasn't been a concrete sign that it was iran behind the i think it's easy to say that's life again. was experienced why do you look and it's easy to say that you don't was

responsible because you don't support the. movements well it's easy to say this and the united states has had you know experience of iraq war and i don't think that it's a situation that the united states wanted to do something militarily. we would have been able to gain some support from from its main allies this is this is one reason the other isn't i can say is that the president president general on the willingness to gets into the sister of ours in the united states is especially in just one year remaining to the new u.s. elections and finally i think more importantly is the transporter of the islamic republic the iranian officers has publicly said that no kind of you know military move against iran would be remains unanswered and the answer would

involve not only ring on borders with also the whole region so this makes the united states and not only the united states also the other actors that would that's maybe want to you know raise of oral military action against iran saying to us now while the americans didn't respond militarily bacon teenie of tightening the screws on the iranian economy and i know that you wrote recently that to me to gave that pressure iran has been trying to cultivate trade with its neighbors particularly in the dollar denominated trade but i soon learned that even trading in local current. this requires some tacit and merrick and approval of small countries like i said bridge and like crimea really a 4th trait of iraq without facing some sort of rebuke from washington of course there has been this fear from the side of the arena neighbors. actually the policy of. misses that uses neighbors 1st started to be devised

from before the us withdrawal from the nuclear deal i can see that the main parts of this suppose he is not i mean it's not restricted only to you during your neighbors it's aimed that's the non-western. like russia and china iran sees a kind of reeling this to do something you dependence that from the united states for example the reports about china. you know still continuing to buy uranium in order and also. you know trying to define new ways of interacting example to integrate iran more closely into the eurasian if you know all media any exact do you think that are going to you know have project for russia clearly but. you know there are many criticisms about how effective that they can all make here and has been do you think it's it has enough out to protect iran from

the american pressure at the core a situation it doesn't have that's that's kind of influence or just kind of leverage but you know the more the united states uses sanctions as a political tool and the more contracts are being sanctioned by the united states the very you know importance of sanctions as a tool. being you know decreased for example both iran and russia are in a kind of. you know toughening us sanctions at this situation. i can see that the political willingness to do something about this is in place and practical steps as a starter to be taken by the sides of course it's a gradual and maybe it's a matter of decade or so and that's not so let's hope that that iran has enough

time and enough for a reserve. time. help you along gaining more and more political support to say that you know if we come back it would be useful to compare the current situation for example the decision before designing of the nuclear deal when there was a general consensus among the europeans and americans in sanctioning iran on the one hand. there were you know un security council resolutions against iran and also at that time russia and china were totally. same page with the united states but. china is that kind of economic war with the united states russia is experiencing one of its worst periods of relations with the united states so everything is different that's political supports with at least currency some kinds of. food for the current situation so that you don't can build up on that

and continue to. translate it into more countries measures in terms of economic benefits mr is that we have to take a short break now we'll be back in just a few moments. when lawmakers manufactured you sentenced to the public. when the ruling closes a project. the final larry go live to be the woman. who ignore middle of the room sit. in the real news room.

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a day before the break. you mentioned that there are countries that are still willing to defy that pressure and i think china would be one of them and there have been reports that chinese oil tankers for example are switching all their transponders and changing their names to avoid being detected but the americans out also stepping up their efforts to squeeze iran's ability to export its oil. the latest news is that there are already 5 countries that have joined the american initiative. for the patrols of the persian gulf do you think it may actually resolve in iran being physically blocked in fact blockaded from being able to access. maritime route for exporting it's no i don't think so because. except for the united states use of the other countries do not have that kind of you know physical leverage and real liberals to do something in

this regard and except for saudi arabia and it's regional. also joined the coalition and reach not so you know he them they were. too concerned you're wrong the others have explained it explicitly said that they aim is not to insurgents with kind of confrontation with iran and it's just about securing the american roads as i am talking about like 555 starting patrols in november and you can say all you want and you know politics but. iran has already had issues with one of its vassals being detained are you absolutely confident that. iran's ability to operate on the sea and particularly in the persian gulf war of will not be compromised by this initiative iran from the very beginning has shown

a negative response to this does the facts why because iran has been. opposing the persons of foreign powers especially do us some progress in the persian gulf this is one issue the other issue is that the officials especially the military ones have made it very clear that in case of any kind of you know provocative move from the united states or the others there could be a war in the region and iran has shown that it's has the ability to do something but i don't. do you a strong so i'm not saying that's go to war and stay safe i'm not saying that's what i'm saying that's. the other part is no that's there's a cost and there's a huge cost for entering all confrontation be drawn so i think that's the main nature actually did very nature of the recent u.s. initiative for the persian gulf is mostly political now for decades the fret to

blow the strait of hormuz has been iran in finked if a response to any american pressure i'm not trying to take any sides here but don't you think that the iranians themselves are responsible for giving the child administration this ideal how to her the most. of your rights and place that's kind of warning towards other countries of boats. potential closer of the straits well it's interesting we haven't here. you know passover wants so. but on the other hand you don't has shown as i said as i mentioned you don't have more serious and while you will have more immediate options to respond to do you know for example how can the iran of the and if there is indeed a more serious i think the americans have been largely successful in substantially

decreasing the rainy and oil trade i mean if you look at the latest figures i think in july the export of oil was around $100000.00 barrels per day this is very very small compared to like 2 and a 1000000000 barrels per day back in 2018 so the damage is already done you know of course of course it's 1st of all. that's not the official is that who says that these are just speculations of course it's to cruise through critics and what's on the other hand let's go back to. to previous points of boats iran trying to expand relations with the other countries with visits neighbors you know and i'm talking especially well there have been some discussions about. helping iran to sell its orders on the other you know issues like that so iran is west country we have. the north we have the other options so it's not about of course. any kind of

you know kind of block years or something like that in the persian gulf with restricted on even more than before but it wouldn't mean that iran would be you know in a situation of lacking a kind of other options you mentioned before that iran has intensified its. outreach after its ministers that if keeps talking about. pacts with its neighbors including saudi arabia do you take that as. as an act of diplomacy and effort to preside itself as that responsible international player or is it indeed a viable security solution which is why will because it's been in place for several years it's not the 1st time that iran is trying to reach out to saudi arabia and the other countries 1st year andre's the initiative of you know regional

regional dialogue and. it's raised the idea of non-aggression pact based on observations but studies on the foreign policy of. living inside the country i can say that's the idea of collective security in depression growth is something real for iran but it is the regional solution that's you know leads iran to do balancing acts i mean mr is it his story history knows me or not many but the number of non-aggression pact that resulted in then. actually in the war world war i mean even if. iran and saudi arabia signed this document that you really trust one and not there or it would be more like and then the aggression that joe many in the soviet union signed 18 years ago at the current situation of a total lack of trust between the 2 countries and it's a situation that's broke out at any moments. the 2 sides you know lose from

signing of such and such a document if at least it helps them to. lose faith face and they will lose their ability to. have that friends i think have already lost face by you know being targeted as well by the human is and by not being able to you know raise your kind of successful operation against against them so yes that this was held them it would help them you know because iran has many times iran has many times they're clear that. doesn't support human news militarily because it's simply impossible but it supports them politically if such a kind of the aggression parents signed between the 2 sides iran can help. you know the help so i would use and human use to negotiate

a kind of compromise or peace deal or something like that so it would be results in preserving for years for do so does not using food service and now the current u.s. policy at least according to their special representative for iran is not to make a distinction between the iranian government and the actors that it supports with legal assistance training funding even diplomatic support and i think it's pretty much the same for saudi arabia do you think iran's allies whether it is in yemen of whether it is in lebanon in syria. and we are talking about non-state actors here do you think they have to be covered by this non-aggression pact. iran had started to encourage the human years to come to a compromise and you saw the results in this so-called peace deal between the 2 sides it was the saudis who have produced you know ceasefire and

it forms a good sign i mean you don't try to show a good sign to do to the other side and these talks about the necessity of regional negotiations between iran and the west it's not something new it's been in place regional dialect recently iran and the european parties those more leverage on the human issue was in place before the recent wave that was collusions in the region so iran does have the leverage and it can do something on this and it's to my understanding this would be part of the deal because without that's of course it would be meaningless and of course for you don there are some conditions from saudi arabia because mama been so drawn prince said explicitly 2 years ago that it's wants to you know bring. your interest so it would at least help alleviate those kinds of concerns and mutual interests mitchell sense of tourists

from all sorts well my impression is that there saudis are not that you have impressed them by this offer because in his latest interview the saudi foreign minister i'm sure there once again reiterated this all saudi and i think now is israeli trope of iran having to decide whether it is a revolution or a country and as i said they like this phrase a lot they repeated a lot but it raises an important issue where sovereignty begins in athens and. you know some common rules about noninterference into other countries affairs even the of those can i. happen to be close neighbors iran would be willing to make lasting commitments and theorist commitments in this regard that it will not only put on paper but will actually comply with if you talk about interference if it wasn't iran this interference in human. you made it human which is.

so the problem is that everything in this regard is somehow mutual if we talk about if we if the saudis interpret this as a kind of interference they have to you know give the same commitments i mean i'm not talking about an offshore position because i'm not an officer i'm simply saying to both the facts based on this i think it's simply on realistic to ask you ron to you know just be restricted to its internal affairs because it's easy in the region you know there are 2 different viewpoints to our security and there isn't among iran and. i would you let blocking it see for you don it's the regional countries against regional countries that see or transitional countries for the saudis and better news on the iraqis it's about iran versus arabs or

versus sudanese iran does not believe in this it's a pretty sure iran believes in the possibility of a kind of you know. collective security to be formed in the region but these kinds of different interpretations to get a read. through the current situation that's the problem is the we have to leave it there thank you very much for sharing your perspective thank you i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to syria same place same time on the walls of fire.

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