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are really coming together and trying to help these huge number of refugees who have been driven over the border by persecution and what scale are we talking early with a little bit well the total number we believe is six hundred fifty thousand but that's in addition to several hundred thousand who were already there displaced so in total about a million ringgit refugees are on that side of the bangladeshi side of the border and there's one camp in particular which i visited recently called kuta prolong which now how's half a million refugees almost which is the same size as manchester if you want to comparison but in terms of the size of the camp it's about one percent the geographic size of greater manchester so you can imagine all of these hundreds of thousands of people crammed into a very very small area and the potential that you have for disease for social issues is a really really logistically challenging operation and unlike other refugee crises
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around the world uglier blee. british politicians very interested to hear what you are saying. what you do act the british government is very mobilized on this issue britain is the largest donor to wards the operation and of course as a humanitarian agency we're extremely thankful for britain because without that aid more the refugees would have died surprise that there's been such a. interest in the plight of these refugees not entirely surprised i mean given the historical links between britain and that region i think and of course there has been interest in this country in the progress of sushi is the leader of myanmar and of course britain has been a significant donor with its zero point seven percent of g.d.p. dedicated towards overseas aid it has been a significant contributor to other humanitarian situations for example syria for example iraq and africa as well so it's not entirely surprising you see i've
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enjoyed you know the critics often talk about that aid budget being used politically you must have good with me and more and there are injured people. according to some used as a poor big geopolitical game with china there are vast oil reserves in wrecking state and we don't hear much about the mean more military when. she was first appointed she was seen as a big savior when she was in beijing that's where the news media here went went big on me and more of the plight of all these refugees well it is true that the ranger themselves have been victims of circumstance if you like of politics of geopolitics over the years this is not the first time that the population has been displaced there have been previous waves of displacement and the problems run very deep partly the population state not citizens of myanmar so they don't
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have any sense of belonging they don't have any papers and they've been very easy to drive out of the country they become pawns in the situation in the region situation born of pipeline fossil fuel development when the people you spoke to in the camps they aware that there is a bigger game here or they just say there is the evil military and they are committing their own describes against their people the people are incredibly dignified it's very surprising given what the people have been through and i met many families when i was there in the camps and nearly all of those families had at least one member who had been killed or raped or affected by what had happened at the end of the sum and yet they retain an incredible amount of dignity and in some cases optimism and hope what is it like in europe that you and your do you see different countries responding to your pleas for more or doing a pledge is dependent on politics i mean i do you really in the past twenty four
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hours is talking about helping tens of thousands of people in eastern ukraine you need sure alleging shelling by the british back. but obviously there's a hole in the british parliament that presumably is that interested in the blood of people in eastern ukraine where our funding is very much dependent on governments and how they view certain situations and different countries in europe and in the middle east respond to different situations based on their own budgets and their own needs in terms of foreign policy and so on but that's a separate issue in terms of the funding we put out appeals for the situations as we see them and many of them across the world are underfunded i was just looking recently at our funding in iraq i mean that's well below fifty percent for this year our appeal for central african republic was at nine percent to twenty seventeen and in the case of bangladesh in the rangar the current appeal was
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relatively well funded but that only goes through to february so we're going to have to start the whole appeals process again fairly soon in the new year to try and get some clarity on funding from february through the rest of the year this political context arguably raises its head would say libya. trousers of people have drowned in the mediterranean this year off the coast of libya arguably destroyed by the british britain's conservative government labor m.p.'s. is that still an ongoing situation in libya and were we hearing about that although we will hear about mir i think the reason that you're not hearing quite so much about libya right now is because the numbers have slowed down the numbers trying to cross in the numbers who have died or i'm missing as a result of trying to cross but having said that the situation there is extremely acute you know. it's what we call a mixed migration flows so there are refugees but there are also migrants who are trying to go across from various african countries sub-saharan african in many
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cases and they're following the routes through africa many are ending up in libya and they're stuck and many are in appalling conditions in detention centers for which there is very patchy access ourselves and partners have access to some of those detained but not systematically because different parts of the country are controlled by different actors and then of course the europeans have their interest in engaging with the libyans to try and resolve what for them is also an enormous issue because a country like italy has two hundred thousand people who are currently in transit centers in italy alone and so you know that it's an incredibly complex situation with a multitude multitude of factors involved is the difficulty. of course wanted no refugees to be able to go to the usa the context has been difficult this year for refugees generally globally i think in two thousand and fourteen fifteen and maybe
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into sixteen there was a big outpouring of public support across the world i would say certainly across the western world in support of refugees because of the syria situation and particularly if you remember the little three year old syrian boy i learned curdie who washed up on a beach in turkey and that gave a huge impetus to fund raising but also resettlement and general support for refugees in the west of course we're now a little way down the line since then. the syria situation although there's still a war has has changed somewhat we won't get credit donald trump stop the funding for is the list groups britain is funding them as well to overthrow the government of us control take some of the credit in terms of the causes of the refugee situation in syria well there are still over five million refugees in neighboring countries to syria so there's still an enormous refugee problem those refugees who are in turkey in lebanon on in jordan egypt and a couple of other countries are in an incredibly vulnerable situation the majority
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of them want to go home but the conditions are not right for them to go at the moment until there is really sustained peace in syria those refugee it won't be safe for those refugees to go home and just vitally i know that it's a separate agency and row over the palestinians in terms of news and your. get this news out of what you experience on the ground. thousands of refugees hundreds of thousands of refugees ironic that when we heard about atrocity the murder of a british diplomat in beirut we didn't hear that there refugee camps in beirut say no i mean it's been going on for years and years can do in a country just tell you look at this going to go on forever that's right i mean the palestinian refugee situation has being as you said ongoing for decades and decades now under our mandate we have something like twenty two and a half million refugees. but there are also five million refugees approximately
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a palestinian so damn who's to say that the situation isn't going to end up like that in bangladesh in those camps well at the moment the two countries involved bangladesh in myanmar. tried to negotiate some kind of arrangement or agreement for the repatriation we're saying that that has to involve ourselves unit c.r. and has to meet certain criteria certainly certainly in terms of being fallen tree . and that it's done in dignity and security and that there is something tangible and solid for the people to go back to and we're not near that situation yet the people have very recently been displaced and most of them who i met anyway recently said that they would not be going back until there was some kind of guarantee of security and stability and that this won't happen again because the fear on the faces of the people here i think shock on the one side we just hear about the deal i think and trauma with the main situation is this is only really several months
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and since this is happened that is all the thank you thank you after the break what's the difference between the seventy's and the twenty ten is when it comes to revolutionary socialism well if you listen to street fighting a memoir of the one nine hundred seventy s. by socialist brand of film in u.k. labor m.p. george galloway i'm from the headline is like a shoe the dog carts are the white helmets and syria on suggestions of coolant and actions by the brits in iraq. all to see we have a great team but we need to strengthen before the freefall world cold and you're better than a legend to keep it so i took the box. in
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one thousand nine hundred two that must qualify for the european championships at the very last moment no one believed in us but we won and i'm hoping to bring some of that winning spirit to the r.c.c. . recently i've had a lot of practice so i can guarantee you that peter schmeichel will be on the best fall since my last will call him that throws or three. thousand old joe. no the left left left more or less ok stuff that's really good here's what people have been saying about redacted and i. just. feel the show i go out of my way to. really packed a punch. is the john oliver of hearty americans do the same we are apparently better than. the c.
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people you've never heard of love back to the night president of the world bank very. seriously send us an e-mail. you know the palestinians have used the united nations as a weapon of war against the future of peace both for palestinians and israelis the united nations general assembly has passed more resolutions against the democratic state of israel that it has against north korea iran and syria combined so that you know it is a bubbling cauldron of hatred and anti democracy. welcome back two years ago this week britain's last deep coal mine was shut down a legacy margaret thatcher's war with the british trade union movement just she replaced u.k. solar standards with imports of fossil fuels from miners many of them children of
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us back developing countries like colombia the anniversary comes as the entire new liberal framework built by successive tory and so-called labor governments faces its greatest threat yet jeremy corbyn and the largest labor movement in western europe one long time called radio of corbin's is the former labor m.p. and leader of the you k. respect party george galloway his entire life has been dedicated to the rights of the dispossessed all around the world and george who hosts. sputnik orbiting the world has just released a new audiobook street fighting a memoir of the one hundred seventeen soon to be available or double dot com he joins me now george welcome back to going underground is a pleasure the near liberals the blairite corbin's part see the mainstream media they all say the seventy's is something we used a club jeremy corbin odds on favorite to be the next prime minister over the head with why in your latest work are you reviving the idea of this terrible period well actually it's the tories that have taken us back to the one nine hundred seventy s.
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a hung parliament minority government dependent on old story loyalists vituperative the european union a madman in the white house i could go on trust me the echoes of the seventy's are actually not in germany corbin's policies labor fought and won two general elections in one thousand nine hundred ninety four on a manifesto way to the left of germany corbin's for a state bank nationalizing the pharmaceutical industry and so on of course there were military dictatorships at the in the seventy's spain comes up again and again in this work as an inspiration to you in terms of its struggle and in terms of your fight again the spin for younger viewers is somewhere nice that you go on holiday but in my work out of the referendum yes but in my lifetime it was a brutal fascist dictatorship as was portugal next door as was greece ruled by
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a joint of colonels this is all in the one nine hundred seventy s. and all of that was overthrown by popular resistance and mobilisation the seventy's was an enormously optimistic period because it seemed like the world was changing in our favor in the favor of people like me on may the first one nine hundred seventy five a tank broke through the gates of the american embassy in saigon as it was called the vietnam. fighters were running up the stairs of the u.s. embassy trying to catch the bottom of the u.s. ambassador's helicopter as he clattered away to safety his paper showering everyone it was truly remarkable the vietnamese people had for not just french imperialism for decades but then american imperialism and defeated them both but again the parallels between now and that period spain of course has got to learn here in that situation not
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a day goes by here in britain that we don't hear about dublin now controlling the future of britain because of rex in negotiations again and again in this memoir island personally its impact on your life and what the british did to us from the very youngest years that i can remember my ears and my head and my heart were filled with the stories of british iniquity in. and the one nine hundred seventy s. was the most dreadful decade in just one year almost five hundred people lay dead on the streets of six counties in the north east of if you crossed as a death toll to say the british population now you'd be talking many many thousands of dead people killed by part of military activity killed by the state famously bloody sunday in famously with the british part of your regiment shot dead thirteen unarmed demonstrators the bali marf a massacre where a priest wavered hunker chief was shot dead by the very same british part of shoot
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regiment it was hell on earth in the one nine hundred seventy s. and people like me who sympathized with the irish republican cause. being. it could have because you talk about misinformation you mention of course that while the press here were telling us that must be no negotiations they were secret negotiations again not far from here. again you walk so again misinformation seem throughout its decision formation really it's deliberate decision for me at the very time that those of us calling for a political process in the north of onboard being tarred and feathered traitors in cheney walk in chelsea a minute or two walk from here. and ted heats government because she was a minister and his government were actually meeting the leaders of the ira martin mcguinness was a very young man he was not long out of his teens he was plucked out of prison the
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prison camp the long cache internment camp and brought here to chelsea imagine the culture shock for him there he was sitting in a plush while this drawing made a b.b.c. is telling banning everything there were banners it wasn't just that they were attacking us they were leaning on broadcasters not to broadcast programmes that they made and forbidding some of them from doing so leaning on newspaper proprietors not to report facts about torture and so on that. seeping into the public realm it was a time when it was a time of conflict as is obvious from what i'm saying the conflict between classes in western countries conflict between western countries and poor eastern and southern countries trying to make their own way in the world and we were winning i suppose that's the point i'm trying to make in this book tries to make so again and
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again parallels to right now as as the media says jeremy corbyn it's logging old ideologies that are out of place now well their old ideologies the ideology that everyone deserves a roof over their head and secure job and protection what the health service should be properly funded are all people should not shiver through the winter our children not go to schools hungry in the morning these are old ideas that's true but they're gold ideas and they are ideas that once made. britain something and some place to be and i reckon that the last election showed there's still a political market for that and if we ignore the sellouts and there are so many in this book of people like tony blair and who knows who else you mentioned something i mean you this is a deeply personal book i have to say and it's very much about your upbringing your . as you're becoming more and more politically active you have no time for something cool trotskyites which is being used quite a lot of mainstream media and he doesn't relate to leon trotsky it's all say what
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you mean and what people there was a strain in working class politics left wing politics in britain especially in the seventy's of trotskyites who i want really much to do with trotsky who was a very important figure in the russian revolution and a great military leader and i have no nothing but respect for him as an individual but his acolytes would always be the impossible ists so if you were on strike for an extra four bob they'd be demanding it should be ten bob and the people fighting for for bob were sellouts and reformists and class traitors or if you are going to have a picket they demand it be a demonstration if it was a demonstration they demand it storm the american embassy or storm the police are always more extreme more impossible than the main street i just got a village there with i mean two big topics that are throughout this book and they both have and have a sense of us reach this year the importance of palestine for you because it's
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balfour declaration here and the soviet revolution because for all its flaws you again and again have to continuously mitigate against this when you talk about its influence the revolution of one hundred seventeen was so important it turns the world ten days that shook the world as the american journalist wrote in the book the time those ten days of the bolshevik revolution exactly one hundred years ago almost to the week. utterly changed the course of the twentieth century and i believe. still shapes the twenty first century because for the first time for all its flaws mistakes crimes it sure another way it was possible that you could run a society and an economy on entirely different lines from which we had been told here in the west was unchangeable and was bill into the bricks of our lives and could never be altered and at the very least that revolution achieved social democracy in the west there would never have been a health service there would never have been social security and protection and so
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on laws passed if it were not for the fear of the soviet union so let's give them some support for liberation movements like palestine its support for liberation movements was for me the most important thing vietnam would never have succeeded but for the soviet union cuba would have been overrun in the first weeks of the cuban revolution if not for the existence of the soviet union as for palestine it's never gone out the news i became involved in one thousand nine hundred eighty five i'm still involved as we enter two thousand the dating the palestinians are not much further forward but they have many tens hundreds of millions of more supporters than the dead when i started the campaign in one nine hundred seventy five at that time you could have fitted all the supporters of the p.l.o. in the studio no trafalgar square wouldn't hold them all of london wouldn't hold them everybody with any sense knows that the injustice suffered by the palestinian people is central to the crisis in the middle east george galloway thank you as.
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well now would be to go through on the week's papers isn't it oh big. liberal democratic member of parliament house of lords today discussing syria not jerusalem lots of violence there was this one the guardian lots of stories coming out of syria as well often the guardian reports how syria's white elements became victims of an online propaganda machine they're blaming years. not blaming just me well not just you but your butt but actually. and others because they're saying that the white helmets have been maligned as being in some way north arius way involved in some skullduggery the guardian has uncovered and i'm quoting now how this counter-narrative is propagated online by a network of anti imperialist activists conspiracy theory to say the worst what we want of more imperialism there's most more trolls role with the support of the
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russian government that could be you over to the guardian snopes channel four news similar stories a journalist and as a b. lee who we interviewed on this program who made serious allegations about connections between al-qaeda linked groups and the white helmet is quoted in here and i understand she is going to seek some sort of a reply i should just tell you though that we already saw one of the brilliant producers here on going underground talk to a white helmet and what they want to learn two of them are t. should not be reporting this unfounded conspiracy theory as fact one here but it's a problem is a problem there is clearly a conflicting story about the white helmets now i and other geisha is they're linked to al-qaeda linked groups yeah that's right and i haven't got a political agenda to say this in fact it just causes me trouble to just don't report on it when it's all ok let's get our whole thing say that you know when there you go because it's all positive right artie is a conspiracy that's a conspiracy it's all a conspiracy actually because it doesn't fit the narrative alarming story from the canary which obviously doesn't seem to be
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a conspiracy because it involves judicial elements in the sultry this is in some ways even more sinister the canary reports high court guilty of truth despite this is bubbled up a number of times it's been some evidence for this before we go to war on freedom and human rights and then you violate in the cells that's at the heart of this story action this is the international criminal court investigating british troops abusing they identified these facts arguable as well i have to say. oh you're against everyone today all you are going to make is the christmas to you the i.c.c. one of the things that is inaugural is president detect. the community has been gay and transsexual community are going to be protected by him hooray for those who support that but hold on a minute to say who originally said that he was against those rights and he said the right thing criticize any changes we're going to whatever the case is identity politics driven companies like c.n.n. are going to find it very difficult to report on this turnaround so what i want to
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say but here is despite the misery of trying to change his mind he's changed mine and that's to be celebrated it's an amazing talent around that sold i'm saying could also be to do with politics ok going on with a little trump actually don't know what the total time stands on this either and we're pretty sure how he stands on. people serving in the other holiday in the philippines members who pick thank you very much that's the show for a season finale on saturday the eve of christmas eve when hopefully israeli army teargassed may have cleared from jesus but place but until then he would not try social media well she was at eighty one years to the day to tell me kissed i go on emma goldman arrived in london to represent expenditure republicans as the british backed general franco attack on.
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the confidence in the field system is collapsing and there is no turning back this is the collapse of the nation state and the central bank and the fractional reserve money system because. banks what the printing press was to the catholic church it collapsed it in many ways this is the end of this era this is the new beginning this is about everyone having autonomy and sovereignty with their own money. across europe municipalities are taking their water supply back from private companies to me to peep out the cells with simple song alone even if i company guests will elsewhere they invite private companies to take over the utilities anybody tell us. mr guess you got to be a while on the come up because. i been this is a map of us to quote them out. for you man but the left still brought up locals are
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ready to stand up for the basic human right of access to water it's about water but it's also over much more and more it's about the hurt and the redistribution of. their date downwards. how does it feel to be a share of the greatest job in the world it's as close to being a king in any job that there is a good business model helps to run a prison now we just do or don't like us you know b.t.o. visitation i don't know what comes anymore we don't have to serve them anymore it's cost effective that's what they want to do that at the moment they don't give a damn if you do the charge on that they're actually paying us to put it back into the louisiana incarceration rate is twice as high as the us and breach what secrets is behind such success.
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president trump threatens to cut aid to united nations members the votes against america america's decision to recognize jerusalem and israel's counsel. to these ideas is it dangerous to say here it's ok thank you wouldn't our correspondent reports on the breast in ramallah as palestinians declare another day of rage against donald trump's jerusalem move. social media giant facebook
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is accused of abusing its market position in germany and of limitless collection of users data. of the dear putin says foreign intelligence services are ramping up their activities in russia trying to interfere in the country's internal affairs and. you can find out all the.

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