but. what's happening i mean martin and this is breaking the set tonight we have a very special show for you and future in an exclusive debate between two very prominent jewish boyce's with very different perspectives on the israel palestine conflict without further ado let's break the sad. please please. please very hard to take that lightly oh. well you better act with the earthquake there really.

believe. that. it's been over three weeks since the start of operation protective the latest military offensive launched by israel against the gaza strip to date the bombing campaign and subsequent invasion has resulted in the deaths of one thousand four hundred thirty two palestinians the vast majority of which are civilians including three hundred twenty seven children and one hundred sixty six women according to the gaza health ministry on the israeli's side as many as fifty six i.d.f.

soldiers and the recent billions of also been killed according to reuters the situation on the ground is changing by the minute and these numbers reflect only the latest at the time of this broadcast as the cow. continue to mount and a series of proposed cease fires have failed there seems to be no end in sight to the bloodshed in fact just today the israeli government called up sixteen thousand i.d.f. reserve soldiers to bolster the ongoing military operation which would bring the ground offensive to eighty six thousand troops israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is calling the operation was far just the first phase of a much larger campaign and valves to continue to destroy hamas tunnels and with or without a cease fire in fact just yesterday during a humanitarian seize fire the i.d.f. shelled a crowded market killing seventeen people including one journalist aside from the deadly market bombing israel has also carried out

a number of strikes on residential areas medical centers rules and a u.n. building housing dozens of refugees against shelter white house spokesperson urns called the attack on the un shelter totally unacceptable and totally indefensible but not everyone in the administration shares that sentiment see despite a call by the international community for an investigation into gaza war crimes at the un human rights council america was the only nation to vote against the resolution i've also just learned that all parties have just agreed to a seventy two hour cease fire now given the amount of coverage i've given the protocol of standing of voices on the show i think it's important to also present the zionist perspective and that's why today i'm featuring a debate between morton klein president of the zionist organization of america and max blumenthal journalist and author of the lie of life and loathing in greater israel now given the time difference between here and jerusalem this interview had to be pre-taped so to maintain the integrity of the debate we've made absolutely no

edits aside from cutting out delays we experienced from the studio there check it out. let's start by giving interview a minute to provide. an opening statement on what you think is the primary cause of the current conflict between israel and palestine max let's start with you. there is no conflict between israel and palestine israel palestine is a single unitary state and it is a conquest being carried out by the jewish state in order to dispossess and ghettoize as many palestinians as possible it's been going on for seventy years the population of the gaza strip are eighty percent refugees living in the second most overcrowded area on earth they are the victims of this ongoing campaign of dispossession and that's the root of their resistance when they turn to violence it is because of the that seventy year legacy of dispossession we need to see that in the siege and the ongoing siege the eight year long siege of the gaza strip which

is develop this area deliberately as part of seventy years of dispossession get it was ation an expulsion order to consolidate the ethnic purity of the jewish state morton. well of course this is utter nonsense. this is simply due to the palestinian arabs and the arab world's refusal to allow and accept jews living in their midst twenty two percent of israel are muslims and christians the arabs were offered a state in one nine hundred thirty seven or ninety five percent of the rest of palestine in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight in the century half in two thousand. and in two thousand and eight they rejected statehood every single time because the goal of the of the arabs unfortunately is israel's destruction it is not a palestinian state in fact the charter of hamas calls for the murder of every jew it is a nazi like document. mahmoud abbas's charter the palestinian authority fatah charter and ten close calls for israel's destruction of this is the cause of the of this

ongoing war against israel is the refusal to accept a palestinian arab state the cause of this latest battle is three thousand missiles aimed into the into the population centers of israel attempting to murder as many jews as possible if there were no hamas missiles there be no israeli retaliation that simply designed to protect the citizens of israel max let's talk about that hamas charter which features that introductory quote my mom has israel rise in the remaining wracked until islam eliminates that and as it had eliminated its predecessors how can israel negotiate with an organization that doesn't recognize its right to exist what that charter is been in publication for decades hamas says repeatedly offered to negotiate and has negotiated they negotiated the prisoner swap i'm not a spokesman for hamas and i'm not going to defend their political goals what we're

talking about here is a ghettoized populace a population that's being completely decimated before our eyes entire families being wiped out and if you want to talk about charters look at the likud charter which i presume morton support. which calls for the entire is jewish state control over all of the west bank it doesn't even recognize the existence of palestinians this charter has been carried out it's being carried out before our eyes unlike the hamas charter more than mentioned rockets from hamas they have killed less than thirteen people in the last decade how many palestinians ghettoized in the gaza strip have been slaughtered in this campaign of ghetto cleansing by the israeli air force how many and we're talking about over thirteen hundred in just the course of less than two weeks and i doubt that morton will condemn this or even put a limit on the amount of civilian casualties that he would be able to tolerate we've seen this from no jewish establishment leaders in the us no moral limits no

rejection or condemnation of this slaughter witnessing before our eyes my friend. who is the editor of gaza writes back this fantastic anthology of gaza writers who is a professor of literature in the gaza strip who teaches hebrew literature in the gaza strip has had his brother and his brother in law his best friend killed for no reason these were not people connected with hamas militancy these are just people trying to be at home and i want to hear rejection from morton of this slaughter of a civilian population in a fashion that jews endured under our in the under their own occupation and morton he brings up a point i just want to interject really quickly let's talk about the right to self-defense we've seen that the iron dome has been successful at intercepting the majority of potentially deadly rockets do you feel do you support as this full blown ground invasion an airstrike on gaza. of course we condemn

and are saddened by the death of any civilians be the arab or jewish but there be no civilians being killed in gaza if hamas would stop firing thousands of missiles against the civilian population israel no hamas missile. no israeli retaliation and hamas has told civilians to stay in their homes when israel warns them to get out of their homes out of them at of schools and mosques where there are missiles stored and hamas tells them stay there if you are there israel will not attack so israel simply hits military installations where their missiles or rocket launchers do you know that gas arabs are paid a rent for rocket launchers that they rent out their living rooms to hamas so rocket launchers can be in hundreds of homes of the gas the arabs there are so they have a living rooms they have dining rooms they have kitchens they have missile rooms were rocket launches are there so the guys the civilians get paid rent for israel

for a cease fire stop laughing israel has offered many cease fires hamas has violated every one of them well this is the map this is the this is the picture of the of the emblem of the palestinian authority a shape of all of his rules that are showing all of his role as palestine yasser arafat the arch terrorist honored with the in the middle of this and the cliffs not promoting terrorism this is through the process of the thora he is much more and i just want to energise because really all i have seen is kind of these info graphics and cartoons kind of backing up your point there and i wanted to see max's response to what you just said. well this is the hysterical michigan that we're hearing from the apartheid lobbyists in washington from their air conditioned offices who have no contact with the palestinian civilian population that's being decimated before our eyes and families in the gaza strip are having to choose which room they sit in to decide which part

of the family will be destroyed in the event of an airstrike we've seen the neighborhood of shoot wave wiped off the map the area kommunist wiped off the map the entire areas for. percent of the gaza strip has had to have fleet to un shelters two hundred thousand palestinians are in un shelters right now and scabies is spreading through the population because they got the humanitarian crisis has gotten so extreme in the gaza strip the israeli that this the most moral army in the world has deliberately targeted gaza's only electricity plants and the ghetto cleansers from the outside have refused to restore electricity to the gaza strip this is the dire situation we're witnessing a one sided slaughter and all we're hearing is hysterical discredited propaganda from another apartheid lobbyist in an air conditioned office in our ancestral homeland of new york this is absolute rubbish absolute rubbish. if there were no

hamas missiles to be no israeli retaliation with the power plant that was the hospital that was hit where were hamas missiles that did not reach their targets and unfortunately hit hospitals and power plants there's a lot of them are so missiles the united nate don't interrupt me i didn't interrupt you the united nations themselves have acknowledged that this is hamas missiles and missiles if they stop the missiles to be no more retaliation for. the sermons by the hamas appointed a muscle pointed. religious leaders call that muslims will exterminate all the jews muhammad one of the chief of staff of of the hamas said that killing jews. is worship that draws us closer this is a nazi like terrorist regime hamas israel left gaza completely they threw out nine thousand jews all of their soldiers and what did hamas do they created

a terrorist state voted on by the gas arabs themselves they voted for the hamas they destroyed all the greenhouses that israel left so they could have a real business or real industry they destroyed them all. and so. even though this was all given to the hamas to the arabs the arabs goal is this will struction no hamas missiles there be no israeli retaliation i wish that mr blumenthal would start telling the truth and stop lying and lying and lying more defending him that she liked and that she like organization the course for the murder of every jew that includes max blumenthal and his family. coming up all future the second half of the debate between max blumenthal and morton klein said. and i don't know how it works like. the crap. like. i've been aren't higher but isn't this great by

a bunch. like. as in there's more than just the one. i'm the read and i'm fighting here one. hundred. welcome back to the show and now more of the debate between max blumenthal author of the lie of life and loathing in greater is going on more than klein the president of the zionist organization of america. i've heard a lot of a lot of heated rhetoric coming from the israeli establishment too and considering that gaza is completely closed off the people have nowhere to go don't you think that the way that this campaign is being waged amount to collective punishment innocent civilians. so i said these civilians voted in this terrorist nazi like terrorist group they get they rent out their living rooms for rocket launchers

israel wants them to leave their homes where the rocket launchers are leave the hospitals leave the mosques where rocket launchers and missiles are there warned ahead of time egypt they haven't tired. aligned with the chip egypt does not let anything to go in because they know how mosque is a terrorist regime that threatens egypt themselves israel has let virtually everything go in except for missiles and or metairie him but he goes in through because they receive it through the sea and through their tunnels they've used the concrete not to build homes and mosques and hospitals they do use the concrete that israel is allowed into gas. by building hundreds of tunnels from gaza into israel designed to have terrorists come into israel itself and murder and massacre thousands of jews the hamas people who have been captured have acknowledged that and russia shown that they planned a massacre of kibbutzim in this real hoping to to murder hundreds even thousands of

israeli jews simply to kill jews and mr blumenthal defends hamas the fence the sermons calling for the extermination of jews the fence their charter the cause for the murder of every jew and mr blumenthal should be ashamed of himself he's just i don't think he's the one in the charter boat let's move over to max because you're saying that nothing is allowed i mean i'm sorry you're saying that everything's allowed in except things like to make missiles max we know that that isn't true let's expand on that. that's right they allow medicines in the. martin morton martin i'm talking more time more time on max's talking now remember i didn't interrupt you so don't interrupt me i wanted to say though more and that i appreciate your statement of support for the brutal coup illegal of egypt which came into power under a military coup we see the shared values between the zionist organization of america and the brutal dictator of egypt the hospital was the only geriatric

hospital in the gaza strip and it was shelled and destroyed by israeli forces deliberately targeted we saw people on on life support systems carried out by nurses under fire we saw elderly people on life support systems carried out people who could have been your mother morton if you had any humanity and you and i know that if there were jews in there you would demonstrate some humanity for them but you're not because they're palestinians they're people you have denigrated as nazis you've denigrated an entire population as nazis my sympathy is with the people who are enduring this one sided slaughter the background for this slaughter as you've pointed out is the gaza withdrawal the gaza withdrawal enabled the siege of the gaza strip in which israel banned everything from cardamom to cinnamon to size a two paper size a two paper was banned into the gaza strip what were they going to do make terrorist paper airplanes give me

a break the israeli administrators according to documents subpoenaed from the millet ministry of defense by the israeli human rights group count the calories each resident of the gaza strip is able to receive that is abominable and that is the siege israel never left and it's really important to point out that even though morton and the zionist organization of america really represent the khaki shirt wing of the israel lobby his rhetoric sounds very much like the rhetoric that we. i've heard from presidential contenders like hillary clinton from bill clinton and even from members of the obama administration who are blaming hamas and blaming the residents of the gaza strip for their own killings this extremism this inhumanity this sadism is deeply embedded in our political establishment and morton klein as far right as he is is not that far from the center of this establishment right now this is what the people of the gaza strip are dealing with they're dealing with the siege from the brutal coup regime of egypt a siege from the brutal brutal ethnos ethno craddick regime of israel which seeks

to keep them get it was permanently to consolidate its ethnic purity and the united states has just really armed israel tapping into its one billion dollar supply of weapons that it keeps in side israel to to allow this slaughter to perpetuate and continue as barack obama claims that he's heartbroken morton i want to jump in here really quickly before you respond because there has actually been some blatant war crimes in terms of shelling of the u.n. refugee camp the market during the humanitarian cease fire last week the u.s. was the only country in the u.n. human rights council to vote against a war crimes in korean israel's military campaign in gaza why would the u.s. not want an investigation into how do you explain the massive disparity that the u.s. has donated about one hundred fifteen billion dollars in foreign aid to israel compared to four billion dollars for palestine since world war two. america recognizes that it's complete rubbish that israel's committed war crimes

israel would not be retaliating if hamas missiles were flying into civilian areas mr blumenthal all you do is lie and lie and lie and call names it's really shameful this is hardly a debate when one side is simply lying about everything even america recognizes that hamas has violated what is still a lie about as and i know about. is lying about. about israel targeting civilians targeting hospitals they hit they simply hit structures that have rocket launchers and missiles as cool as they have and they have the and they have the for under three hundred dead basement i didn't interrupt you because you are not being so rude stop being so rude the hamas. ministration has their offices in the basements of hospitals mosques and schools the united nations has can bend them for this. so this is while known canada and australia

has condemned hamas for this why don't they accept the cease fire that israel has actually accepted why do they intimidate journalists who have told me themselves they're afraid the right spirit write the truth about what hamas is doing this nazi like organization and why did the palestinian arabs of gaza vote in a nazi like hamas terrorist group if there's so much in favor of peace and hamas has never wanted to negotiate with israel and hamas of course is on the terrorist list of both the european union and the united states or america understanding that their goal is this was destruction and the murder of every single jew so he's just lying about the targeting the civilians and targeting hospitals it's only when they tell people to leave certain areas because of missile launchers because of the ministration hamas administration people having their offices there no hamas missiles no israeli retaliation and mr blumenthal knows that full well but somehow

he gets pleasure at a siding with the enemies of the jews maybe it makes him feel safe this isn't a principle this is a frightened person match them with all siding with the enemies of the jewish people because it makes them feel more secure and safe feeling if i side with the enemies of the jews maybe they'll leave me max blumenthal alone well let's talk about the facts here max what is israel supposed to do to stop the rockets and i haven't seen any reports other than those rockets and they abandon un school but i want to get your person. upon this well according to morton's logic children innocent children of the gaza strip are storing themselves in hamas missiles or hamas rockets because the casualties that are piling up and we've seen over thirteen hundred killed in this one sided slaughter this massacre are at least thirty percent children a large percentage are women only a small proportion are hamas fighters who are actively engaged in combat and israel is even had to fudge the numbers and named militants as anyone who's connected to

a family that's loosely affiliated with hamas morten you know uses this kind of these kind of ethnic slurs against me and this tired rhetoric claiming that i'm siding with the enemy of the jews why i think it's very dangerous to jews and world judaism to to ignore the prophetic voice of judaism which transcends this slaughter which transcends television which is the bedrock of judaism and replace it with the judaism of the gun with the judaism with no more limits with the judaism of pure force and that's what morten is embodying right here and i think that that kind of bellicose rearmed false. zionist version of judaism is an enemy of jews everywhere that's why we're seeing this moral freefall across the world and in the u.s. with established jewish leaders refusing to condemn this guernica style slaughter this this program this this abominable scene that's

a shame the world and we're seeing so many young jews rise to the fore jews getting arrested in new york in acts of civil disobedience in front of the israeli consulate general siding with jewish voice for peace to push for a lot of this apartheid regime we're seeing jews rise up against this kind of this kind of judaism of the gun that morton preaches martin let's let's wrap it up here and let's talk about a purpose these fires fire really quick. we have about five minutes left i want to get both your last point here and the proposed ceasefire after ceasefire continues to fail what is the solution to stop the bloodshed fails because because hamas violates it every single time they don't want to cease fire they want to have as many civilians as possible killed by israel to use it as a weapon against israel and these numbers are so inflated that mr blumenthal uses it is the hamas health ministry the hamas health ministry do we trust them because you have no numbers the facts are the facts are that eighty percent of the people

who are killed are men between twenty and thirty five seven hundred of them are hamas terrorists so the numbers are given by hamas health ministry are total lies if hamas can kill innocent people they can certainly lie about these numbers. that's a new one for me i don't know that the numbers were inflated i've seen a lot of backing out to validate that max if you have any. morton won't even tell his own donors certain numbers and that's why the z.o.a. is lost its tax exempt status so we expect this kind of. that is a guy that we are going to start a little eagerly and not even know the profit organization stop lying we are a nonprofit organization a five one c three huge scandal the organization ever have now only we're fully validated as a non-problem station snyder lying even at that you're lying and lying and lying and calling donors are in and so all you will do ok ok badly want to get it let's

get your solution the ceasefire continues to fail max all right well. well the ceasefire continues to fail because of the desire for netanyahu in the who is being pushed from the right to kill more to satiate the kind of blood lust we're seeing and yet we've seen netanyahu confessed today and fishel statement that one hundred percent of tunnels can't be eliminated that there is no actual military solution we have to go back to the two thousand and twelve cease fire which hamas initially honored those are the facts and israel violated repeatedly over and over again which led us to where we are today and look at the cease fire that john kerry attempted to broker and it was a it was a ceasefire that would lead to the lifting of the siege i think that's the first step to easing the violence i don't see why morton or any or any humane person would want to keep two million people under siege but now we're dealing with the situation we're bodies are being all that under the rubble which covers almost

forty percent of the gaza strip through the electricity has been cut off where water is being cut off a humanitarian go he says were spreading and shelters are one of the largest. they're being attacked that has to stop immediately martin do you agree with any of the scenes we have one minute left. and more israel has israel has supported five cease fires hamas kept firing missiles after is not a laughing matter is not money they didn't they didn't fire i have to read syndrome so i make sounds like can't control i hope you'll you'll allow this element that i have since five years old has nothing to do with laughter that hamas did involve twilight the cease fire there would have been already a cease fire and i couldn't see you on this and all right thank you guys so much for both of your insight morton klein president of the zionist organization of america max blumenthal author and journalist thanks so much both of you. thanks for watching you guys be sure to follow me on twitter at out of martin and if you

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