until at least the. residents of sea. revolutionary forces trying to take. thirty minutes to go back to washington. including scrutiny of u.s. pakistan relations. all right it's time for showing talents night's program last time we told you about the souring relationship between the u.s. and pakistan but with the two countries ever really go to war it's going to produce

which reason to send to find out what you have to say. we have all heard it before the question of pakistan's commitment to aiding the u.s. in its war on terror and the stories of pakistan has been playing both sides well mike mullen chairman of the u.s. joint chiefs of staff had stirred the pot once again claiming pakistan supported militant groups in attacks against americans and afghanistan but this past friday the u.s. appeared to back away from the public accusations saying it is not clear on the exact relationship between the i.s.i. and the commies but these same questions are being raised over and over again and in an increasingly public setting so would the u.s. want to extend the war into pakistan so on to things that the u.s. has a lot to lose militarily and economically it would not happen amelia agrees saying the u.s. cannot afford another war we are on the brink of an economic collapse mehta said judging from the u.s. track record yes we would go to war with pakistan and there will be consequences

for the military industrial complex in america will not care because there is no profit in peace most of the comments we were saved were along the same as going on with wants the u.s. to afford another war or is it just that we need a boost and a family economy or judging from the recent backtracking out of washington maybe the us has come to realize the same thing that the here who lives in pakistan wrote in to tell us he said please don't come to make war sure we will lose a lot of things but i think both sides will lose a lot. as always we thank you for your responses and here's our next question for you earlier in the show we spoke with david de de firedoglake about the goals of the occupy wall street protesters. get accused of lacking a list of coherent demands so what do you think what do you think the occupy wall street protesters should it be fighting for you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and no is your response just like me. now is rick perry trying

to invade mexico no no he isn't but his remarks at a recent campaign stop are raising a few questions and drawing a few laughs when talking about the drug war that's raging across the border there he said it may require our military in mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off our border and destroy their networks maybe somebody should inform perry that in fact we don't officially have boots on the ground and mass our military as well as our cops have been very much involved over the years in training mexican military and mexican cops take for example the one point six billion dollar meridia initiative and acted during the bush administration which trains mexican police and provides equipment like helicopters and telecommunications gear an initiative that state department officials announced in august would continue throughout two thousand and twelve and about which there was a hearing on capitol hill today but looking at the increasing violence across the border is this method even working joining me to discuss it is mike riggs associate editor at reason magazine and reason dot com mike thanks so much for joining us tonight thank you now. let's look back at some history here we know that our elite

teams go when decide to train some people mexico yes some of them decide to then become members of cartels and. they have incredible training and would that really sucks for us how about this trading the cops thing how is that going. well as of right now also the first years of the marriage of mission of well technically for me it started in two thousand and seven late two thousand and seven today's hearing they talked about in fact one of the questions asked by representative carney america at this security hearing was. ninety percent of the funds were sending to mexico or going to the military and the nationwide police which don't have great prosecution powers they don't have great protocols for gathering evidence to put cases to go. other. undersecretary of state william brownfield who is pretty much running the show down there said that the plan going forward again the initiative was supposed to be over last year it's clearly not the plan going forward is to try and empower local police and the state department has said that if the local and

state police in mexico could be as efficient as the military and national police that all our problems would be solved i'm not sure that's true but that is their god this is the way of having because our police don't know what it's like to fight drug cartels right right right gangs but that's a different beast so are they necessarily the right people to be doing this training i think what they can probably do pretty adequately is go over protocols for gathering evidence making arrests searching a house putting together a case to go to court i mean if you look at. juarez for instance one of the wiki leaks cables that came out that been circulated within the u.s. embassy in mexico was that juarez had a prosecution rate i think of four percent from murders so clearly the state police and the military are really going to busting down doors really good at inciting violence really good at burning drug crops not so great at building cases are prosecuted at the same time if you have the threat of you know execution of

somebody oh basically just leaving your house and killing you if you dare do go to the police and you know what do you expect from people yeah and i think the most notable thing about that is certainly caught the eye of republicans in congress i mean today's discussion which featured members of the d.a. d.h.s.s. and the state department's witnesses was the biggest thing here wasn't is the drug war useful should we continue doing this it was republicans coming back michael mccaul from texas and kind of back and sort of pushing we want to declare them terrorists i mean that is that is the kind of shock that the violence in mexico has sent into the u.s. system i mean all of a sudden this is gone from being a sort of third world problem and not ours to you know having to. potations in mexico city which is very new i mean mexico city up until this week had been spared a lot of the violence from the drug war so there is a big push especially on the u.s. side to declare this war on terror brownfield who's with the state department doesn't want this mexico definitely doesn't want this they do not want to be part

of the u.s. war on terror they see this as an organized crime problem i i don't blame them but i mean what would actually happen technically if they were to declare the drug cartels a terrorist organization that somehow change the way that they can deal with that i mean we're going to see strikes you know going into mexico alex as we know that we fly i don't know the surveillance drones we don't know right here armed or not but what would the u.s. still. it would be within the authority of congress and the white house to the sort of determine what to do i mean as of right now i mean one marquee difference for instance is that the cia and the u.s. military pretty much running operations afghan stand in pakistan assist somewhat here operations are being run by the way in the state department so it's completely opposite i think internal politics maybe they don't want to give up their sovereignty they think this works brownfield takes credit and honestly takes credit for what's happened in colombia over the past ten years he was sort of that was his brainchild setting right wing and left wing revolutionaries to slit each other's

throats and he you know he's convinced that what he's doing in mexico is the right thing he was so insistent today he in fact even you know the other fascinating thing about the war on terror is even though brownfield doesn't want to make mexico a part of it when asked why is the marathon initiative running over he said you know american security is too important to leave to arbitrary timelines i mean where we heard that before iraq and afghanistan so there's this there's this weird cognitive dissonance here with people saying should we declare war on terror because look at how violent they are we have the state department da saying no what we're doing is just fine and then you have mexico saying oh my god what would it mean to have the u.s. made what i'm telling i'm going to be a time lord all over them are all going to back. drones to blow up schools and hospitals you know are we going to how are we going to be occupied so i think that that. that's in the future you know i mean what do you think because obviously you know it's incredibly bloody it's incredibly violent it's incredibly dangerous over

there but the longer that the us has been involved at least since the murder initiative has been around has only increased violence you know and especially with the current president that's involved a lot of people blame him and his policies i think what we've seen a radical shift in just the last year or so the marathon initiative is almost four years old calderon has been in office since two thousand and six and president felipe calderon and i think the best example actually came up in today's hearing two years ago hillary clinton in a speech in mexico compared mexico to colombia twenty twenty years ago which had these narco terrorism problems she was chided for that by obama who went on spanish language only news outlet and said no we don't feel that way at all fast forward to today when brown field essentially running operations in mexico compared mexico to colombia over twenty times and said what we did in colombia we should do in mexico . that it had been hearing nobody hearing him say it was not on no i don't think yeah i think you're right this is not the most public expression of foreign policy

we have actually you know it is but i think that calderon who's coming up for election reelection the same time obama has recognized that. he has been saying some stuff lately that almost makes it seem like he doesn't believe in america issue anymore he keeps using the exact same phrase we need to think about market alternatives so i owe it almost seems like the u.s. has mexico to help us nelson on this i mean calderon wants to be reelected president the u.s. is willing to keep doing this importing money into it i don't think mexico could retain its stability if it lost u.s. support without legalizing and decriminalizing drugs i mean they're in this position now where they are an all out war with the cartels so these are continuing something else for america. or they break with america completely do a radical policy revision and pray for a while just wondering so you know because as you mention of course they'll be having a presidential election in two thousand and twelve as well if they're on a warrant to win you know than does the us have certain concerns there as to who might be the next leader if they do want to cooperate with them or not if they want

them or at initiative gone out although i guess they don't really want to say no money and weapons i mean this is also a thing on which the same person said two separate things when brownfield again who says foreign today gave a statement two months ago in which he said when he announced mad i was going to continue indefinitely it will continue regardless of who is elected president in mexico in two thousand and twelve not to mention united states then today i wouldn't call it walking it back because the question he was asked wasn't a direct reference to that but he did say that everything the u.s. has done in mexico is done with absolute permission from mexico that there is there are no u.s. operations in mexico that are done without the knowledge of the mexicans or these we know from fast and furious that that wasn't true there are some other allegations floating around from border state law enforcement officers who also suggest that's not true but as of right now both sides have a vested interest in creating the impression that everybody knows what everybody else is doing and we also know that you know it's a little bit like the pakistan thing in terms of that they try to downplay

necessary and public sides how much cooperation there is i got to wrap it up michael but thank you so much for joining us tonight on this one and hope that we don't start another war on terror or in mexico get on. now sometimes and i we have our tool time winner which involves the media and politicians that in happy hour can starbucks actually save the u.s. economy plus they are ready for some hitler hank williams jr his comments getting kicked off of monday night football back in just a moment. the

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to get involved in a community where you have one large corporation controlling the bill the newspapers radio stations television stations the cable outlets you tell me that that sounds like public opinion versus f.c.c. broadcast blues. i did time for tonight's tool time awards night because of the mainstream media and i know that i kind of already did that at the top of the show but this one really takes the cake it also involves new jersey governor chris christie the since being elected to office twenty months ago the republican governor has been at the center of speculation will he run for president next year it's a question the pundits never ever ever seem to tire of asking do you that g.o.p. establishment they just love him he's their modern day ronald reagan and let's face

it if the current g.o.p. field is well it's pretty blah rick perry is currently polling at the exact same level as herman cain if that tells you anything so it's not shocking that people been trying to convince christie to run but i think that is number one fan or obsessive stock or whatever you want to call it is the media the last week they worked themselves into a literal renzi over a speech that was given at the ronald reagan library in california we finally give in to pressure and run well turns out he said no again like he's been saying for months but the next day the media was still trying to convince everyone that there might still slightly be a chance. why do republicans love the new jersey governor chris christie they only thing we know for sure is many republicans want him to run desperately a big event for new jersey governor chris christie last night what he said to any impassioned supporter he said on several occasions that his heart simply isn't in it i thank you for what you're saying and i take it in i'm listening to every word

of it and feeling it. now chris christie joked at the california event about a clip of videos that politico put together showing him saying no repeatedly the clip is almost two minutes long but here's just a tiny little sample of the no. no way going around no not going to happen here still saying categorically not running well i'm not running i'm a hundred percent certain i'm not going to run i don't want to run i don't feel like i'm ready to run first you have to have it in your heart you've got to want it more than anything else or anything else i want that that when you have to believe in your heart and in your soul and in your mind that you are ready and i don't believe that about myself right now you have to believe as i've said before in your heart and in your mind that you're ready and i don't believe that i am. so you would think that after numerous denials flat out knows the media would leave the governor alone just let him do his day job but that is not the case you see over the weekend sources began telling the new york and d.c.

media elites the governor was taking a second look at the race but i'm calling b.s. on this just because one of christie's friends is playing with the media to feed his enormous ego does not make it true or even a story let alone a top story on every network for days and days and days on end it's the media's job to detect the b.s. something that clearly they're not capable of when it comes to chris christie case in point today when christie announced that he would hold a news conference the mainstream media shifted into hyper mode they quickly began coverage of speculation rumors about his political future and it reached a fever pitch when he walked in front of cameras this afternoon and tonight new jersey. as we await a major announcement from new jersey governor chris christie republicans unhappy with the current lineup of candidates had urged christie to jump in the speculation is swirling after christie scheduled a surprise news conference i've been told that the new jersey governor did seriously reconsider getting in over the last two weeks the guessing game has gone

on for months will he or won't he he's been dodging questions for days on whether he'll launch a run for the white house we're awaiting a news conference the statement from the new jersey governor chris christie face christie is ending the guessing game about a potential white house run in just moments new jersey governor chris christie will hold a news conference on a possible run for the white house in two thousand and twelve for me the answer was never anything but no. so once again chris christie held the news cycle hostage this time to announce that nothing of change fox m s n b c c.n.n. they all took the news or live they stayed with it we counted for forty minutes he said he wasn't running in the first three minutes of the new york and d.c. media florist everybody to watch the political circus for forty breaking minutes you know with all the issues facing this country and less wars shadow wars record unemployment a possible trade war with china occupy wall street the media would rather focus on a made up d.c. beltway story literally made up so that's why we're getting fox news c.n.n.

am and that's n.b.c. then i told my war for wasting our time with this trivial crap and chris christie next time just say no and be done with it holding a press conference or forty minutes to say one word is a little bit overdramatic. for happy hour and joining me this evening as our team web writer andrew blake my gregg's says the editor of reason magazine and reason dot com gentleman have you back this is a dangerous combination over here that we have seen so let's talk about starbucks that has a new plan to save the world take a look or save the economy sorry. we began at starbucks to kind of get underneath the hood and understand could we create this respect and as an opportunity create donations in our stores with the millions of people that come into our stores and

as a result of that. millions of dollars back into the community with community lending organizations. so starbucks apparently recently just finished closing seven hundred branches is what i read so i guess they have a little bit of guilt maybe that is why would they want to join in getting laptop hobos out of there saying well. you know i mean i also saw that story but you know you got to respect and you don't i think it's a really nice idea is it going to work i don't know they said. maybe starbucks would stop charging people like seven dollars for a cup of coffee and then they'll have more disposable income then they can hire more workers i feel like people are convinced that the live strong bracelet can cure cancer i don't know why we wouldn't give the starbucks bracelet a try also the micro lending thing is like really interesting you could use that to open like a hot dog like a nail salon i don't know i don't know if you're i'd like to chance yeah why not why not i mean if it's voluntary and they're honest about it i don't see why not i

want to poke fun at it but everybody's broke you know yeah and they're asking to donate no. doubt and so they're very you know if people donate to try to help others out when i don't like to help anyone that's been a five dollars on a coffee i'm not going to spend six dollars on a maroon five cd next to the register i'm not going to buy jewelry i want to spend on that shirt today twelve ninety five that's a deal that is i know is that i still seriously thank you so much for the errors you know very. well let's move on to our next story so hank williams jr got a little bit of trouble over the following statements that he made on fox and friends take a listen remember the golf game ladies and gentlemen yeah but the golf game one of the biggest political mistakes ever what did you not like about it it seems to be a really pivotal moment for you. would be like. ok

ok not hardly. hitler playing golf was a win so what about all of that we didn't get to the you know the end of the story or the culmination it was more of that yes p.s. decided to kick him off at least temporarily i don't know he's not going to be the beginning of monday night football anymore do you think that was a fair punishment there i can't get my head around the fact that somebody actually said something to make the fox and friends crew shot because that was just absolutely incredible i mean they gab incessantly about the stupidest stuff and then bring him. problem solved hello why don't we rewarding this man he should get the halftime show at every super bowl for the rest of his life for what he did to those what are the called fox and friends that i don't know show hosts we just saw the comedy hour. give us even paul doing their own show because of both gone fox and friends and it's fantastic he also you know he started hitting on talking about

how good it is to her he was all over the place getting it to play that clip was grasses must be pretty dark no one should reward hank williams jr with anything he's been disgraced saying the hank williams name for decades now not true that's hank the third now i'm going to seize the tracks here i'm talking about you know if . it was alive right now he would do a bunch of morphine get drunk in the back of the limo and just not talk about politics because that's what hank williams does and does not wake up ever because that's also what he had a good run he had a good run ok good or are getting a little awkward unfortunately i don't know exactly what you know like i'm going to turn here yeah i want to vote for you to do this after the show you. take that off air. let's listen to this larry a little clip of joe biden another somebody that tends to paris ministration america whatever you want to call it often. we have been in this period where there's just nothing but fighting and so you have on the one advantage jones you

guys were years talking about used to be a ministry. used to be green so. i just love it so much i think this may be my favorite biting gaffe yet aside from real was when he told everybody not to fly and you have to travel and you refuse and i invite her know there is a stage one n one virus. and some got a gun ban jones whoever that guy is he was in their editors to raise it and he's a very public figure not just a random person you know like very two thousand yeah i mean i don't know who he was i don't want to buy yammer on that stuff although you got to wonder what he's going to say you know you don't blame him for not knowing who he is i look looking at you i'd marry a couple of eggs and why you know i forget is that you know i forgot though they are joe it was this coming i know i'm just saying but i do is like a wind up gaffe machine like one of those little monkeys a clap cymbals together across the floor that's biden it is fantastic is wonderful

we also have to wonder like what makes him capable of what's going up that i don't know all star wars dimension pop whatever it's cool joe you know that's cool yeah i like this like i'm ok i'm going to. reserve dimension here i'm going to stuff sad. but it's right now it's really funny whatever it is medical conditions story today so clearly this is not the first time this ever happened but a giant breast implant saved a woman's life and this actually happened in russia two was a woman in moscow who was attacked with a knife by her own husband but when he stabbed her in her breast implant ironically one that he made her do because he asked her to enlarge her breasts five years ago and then it's a very life what is. that breast implants they save lives this is this is their marketing material right here i think i think the whoever makes breast implants or it's. all of them should should just plumb those steps actually you know i had

a significant other who had breast implants and before she got them the doctor drove his s.u.v. over the implant sure that it would not explode in case she was over run over by an s.u.v. that's right that's what i used to do there for real or fake whoa i think we're out of time i was kidding i don't know if we're out of time but there you go that's a that's my that's my full thought on that are you going to read he was very very wise very very very good and i know i'd rather to sleep like hang him like that well yeah sweats ok i'm happy that i made you awkward yes i had something thank you so much for joining us tonight guys that's it for tonight so thanks for tuning in and make back tomorrow and despairing is going to back on the shelf now the mean time to forget to become a fan of the i want to sell on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of tonight's or any of the night was passed on you tube dot com slash if you want to will find the interview as well as the show and its entirety next in the.

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