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good evening and welcome to politics nation. we have breaking news to start the hour. i ran state media is reporting a helicopter carrying the
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country's president suffered a hard landing earlier today. iran's foreign minister and other officials were on board. the helicopter was flying in an remote region. search and rescue operations are still ongoing. let's go to josh letterman in london. josh, phyllis and with the rest of the details -- phil us in with the rest of the details. what do we know right now?>> reporter: it is after midnight in iran and has been more than 10 hours as a helicopter carrying the iranian president and also his foreign minister went down. the iranian president was on his way back from a visit to a new dam built near the border when this helicopter went down in what has been described by iranian media as and hard
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landing. other reports have called it a crash. we know it took place in harsh weather conditions. at this point in time the status of the iranian president and foreign minister are unknown. we know for hours rescue officials have been trying to reach them, trying to figure out exactly where they are. weather conditions have made it very difficult. as of right now we do not know if those rescuers, some 40 rescuer and search teams have actually made it to the site. we do know according to iran executive vice president that two people who were on board that helicopter, two of the other passengers have made contact with rescuers. there is some contact with that helicopter. however, the iranian government is not disclosing what the rescuers learned from those two passengers about the status of president raisi, about rather anyone was injured or killed.
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even where exactly the helicopter is. the ultimate decision-maker is the supreme leader, he has issued a statement not only calling on iranians to pray for the safe return of president raisi, but also urging the president -- country to stay calm. saying no matter what happens the work of iran's government will go on unimpeded. and state t.v. they have been calling on people pray for these people. we have seen the vigil start to emerge as people are waiting with baited breath to figure out exactly what the situation is. brother president raisi is still alive and what might've happened to that helicopter. as is all right, thank you, josh letterman. of course he will keep us updated. now to our other top story, president joe biden addressed
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some of the nation's youngest black voters. the 2024 graduate of morehouse college in atlanta. hundreds of black men entering the next phase of their lives, less than six months ahead of a pivotal election. take and listen. >> you started college just as george floyd was murdered. there was a reckoning on race. it is natural to wonder, if democracy that you hear about actually works for you? what is democracy? black men are being killed in the street. what is democracy? a trail of broken promises that philly black communities behind. what is democracy? you have to be 10 times better than anyone else to get a fair shot. >> joined me now is nbc news aaron gilchrist. eric, we understand there was peaceful protest activity
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today, which we will get into. first, what can you tell us about how biden was received?>> reporter: 414 young man became morehouse man today at this graduation, rev. i think the president's message was mostly well received. there wasn't a group of graduate ruckus. we saw them listening attentively, not really applauding the president. no standing ovation. we did see that from some of the alumni. i think the president understood the exception -- reception he was going to be getting. understanding there are many students who graduated today who take issue with his position and his support of israel and the way he has handled the israel-hamas war in gaza, particularly as it relates to the death of so many palestinians in gaza. with the a handful of graduates
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wearing symbols in support of palestine. there were several graduates while the president spoke turned their chairs around, turned their backs to resident biden for the entirety of his speech in a solid protest. >> there were some that turned their backs. the president at morehouse today did not shy away from addressing the impact of the gaza war which has driven protest at our nations universities for weeks. there was a peaceful protest on the morehouse campus ahead of his speech this morning, one of the many campus demonstrations over the last month. >> what happens in gaza, what rights do the palestinian people have? i am working to make sure we finally get a two state solution, the only solution. two people living in peace with certain dignity. it is one of the hardest and most complicated problems in
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the world. there is nothing easy about it. i know it angers and frustrates many of you, including my family. most of all, i know it breaks your heart. it breaks mine as well. >> many of us have been pushing for the administration to be more aggressive, certainly with netanyahu and what is going on in gaza. did you get the sense from your time at morehouse this week that the war might become my problem for the president with young black voters?>> reporter: from the students that we talked to here, rev, i actually had one say to me after the graduation ceremony that his support of president biden is not definite. it is not baked in. he cannot guarantee he will be voting for him in the fall. he said they do take issue with some of his policies, some of the things he has done domestically that have not added up in a way they would like to see. he says they will be watching,
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something he says he will be doing. they will be watching what president biden does in the weeks and days to come and then they will make decisions about whether or not to support him in the fall. that's the message i've heard here in atlanta when i've had a chance to talk to students. i heard the same thing from students in south carolina. the biden campaign is aware it has work to do to earn the support after the votes of these young men and students around the country. >> i do hear that. we have an atlanta office with the atlanta action network. i also know donald trump is totally supportive of netanyahu and how he is conducting the war. we will see where voters go. thank you erin gilchrest in atlanta. join me now birmingham, alabama, a democrat and morehouse alum.
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mayor, thank you for joining us. first, your observations from today's speech by the president? >> rev, thank you for having me on. i think it is important that i congratulate morehouse man class of 2024. as the president said today was earned and not given. these young men miss their high school graduation. they started their freshman year behind computer screens. their hard-fought last four year journey is to be commended. i want to publicly congratulate the class of 2024, morehouse college. i will say this, i think the speech, the timing of the speech was perfect. reminded black men that their faith journey is extremely important. before morehouse college or one of the names morehouse had
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before it was morehouse with atlanta baptist college. the talk that he gave, in this commencement speech, relating to his faith journey, relating to mentor morehouse n.l. morehouse man of faith journey, i thought it was relevant. connecting with these young men and reminding them of ups and downs, peaks and valleys. not just the last four years, but beyond. to be reminded of their faith journey and how that prepares them for challenges that would like ahead. they can overcome them, just as they did these past four years. >> he was very much into inspiring them to go forward. he also went down the list of things he has supported like fighting for the george floyd bill, fighting for voting rights. fighting against the affirmative action being stopped by this chump appointed supreme court. finding the ei. i think that the contrast between he and trump is
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something, as i push the president on many issues, including a cease-fire and including putting more pressure on netanyahu, it is interesting to me we have not seen a protest at trial rallies on this call when he has said to netanyahu, finish the job. let me ask you this, the biden- harris campaign is nearing the end of several outreach events aimed at black voters. tonight he is in detroit ahead of his address to that city's chapter of the naacp. polls continue to show diminished support among black voters compared to four years ago. i often ask what the biden campaign needs to do in order to regain those voters? i wonder as a southern mayor what what your constituents lose, in your view, if the president is not successful in
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november? >> i want to put it very plainly. i grew up in a household that was four generations. great-grandmother lived to be 100 years of age. my great-grandmother was diabetic. i remember as a kid and a teenager, helping my great- grandmother when she had diabetic episodes. pouring a glass of orange juice, taking the teaspoon and putting sugar in that os juice. helping my grandmother to drink that orange juice to level her out. it is good to see a president in today's time 5 for healthcare and medicine for our most honorable. parents, grandparents, in my case my great-grandmother. capping insulin at $35, he has shown black americans in all households as it relates to your healthcare, he will fight to make sure you don't have to choose between healthcare and paying for medicine and/or paying another bill and keeping the lights on.
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he is taking on big pharma. i think with him not being in office we not only lose insulin being capped at $35, but the opportunity for more families who are americans, -- for healthcare to be manageable, cause related. that is just an example. related or as it relates to other measures that he is taking marijuana, changing the laws around marijuana, as a lori i have seen so many young people, four courts for possession of marijuana and it has totally changed their lives for the worse. he is rectifying that. again, rolling back pain for her families, rolling back things that hurt young people. and related to loan forgiveness. rev, the easiest way that i can say it is we have forgiven loans for farmers on wall street, the automotive industry,
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we can do the same thing for student loans. i think this president has real, tangible receipts that over the last three years what he has done for all americans, he has a more in his first three years as a president and many presidents combined eight years. what we would lose if not as good policy, but tangible things that literally improve the quality of life of everyday americans. >> you are mayor in the major city in alabama where the voting rights fight really came to international attention. the voting rights bill was passed. the john lewis voting rights act to try to repair some of the damage the supreme court did. president biden supported it, he supported the george floyd bill. it was attract republicans that block both of them in the house and in the senate. biden went ahead and do a george floyd executive order. four president trump at the
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same time was in texas last night comparing himself to lincoln, while receiving the endorsement of the national rifle association. again, as mayor of birmingham you know all too well the toll gun violence has taken on black communities. earlier this week you held a press conference after a series of shootings over a 72 hour period, including two children on mother's day. when you hear trump praising the nra, what goes through your mind, mr. mayor? >> well, first i can tell you it has been in first week in our city as it relates to gun violence. i am glad to say those two children survived. they should not have had to go through that type of trauma nor their families, particularly on mother's day. i was say a week later knowing the former president is speaking in front of the nra. the question is how do i feel?
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it is sickening. as a country related to gunfire, as a country we are the only country where this is an issue. you would think as the free world we would have to solve this issue. it takes more than the president of the united states. we meet men and women in congress and in both houses to have the fortitude to take on the nra. to simply say at what cost? i think the cause has been more than burdensome for too many american families who have lost a level i, including my own family to gun violence. there is a better way. it takes 42. it takes elected officials to stand up to protect lives, particularly the most vulnerable that being children as well as our seniors. >> thank you for being with us tonight. joining me now is delaware's congresswoman lisa blot- rochester.
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thank you for joining me today. what were your thoughts on president biden's commencement address and morehouse college this morning? >> first of all, thank you so much for having me on your show again. i thought the president did an incredible job of both inspiring, but also setting out why the stakes are so high, as the mayor just said. i also want to start off by congratulating the graduates today, the now morehouse man. also, their families. as a mom who has had children graduate from hbcus, i know how proud they all are. i think it was important to have the president cap off the graduation as others have said of young men who have gone through covid, have gone through classes on zune, have gone through the collective trauma of george floyd's murder. these young men are poised and
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ready for the world. sometimes on facebook you get these memories that show up on your feet. today the memory for me was 12 years ago to this day, my son graduated from oregon state. i just know how important it is. also, how important it is that this president made it very clear that hbcus are a priority. which is why there has been a $16 million investment, the most of any president. also that black men are important to this president and this administration. we congratulate the morehouse man on their efforts and their achievements. i am also really proud of the speech that the president gave where he really led the charge on what is at stake and what is next for them as they look toward their future. >> this past week county
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executive angela also brooks won maryland's democratic primary for senate, meeting voters in november have the chance to double the number of black women ever elected to the senate since they selected both you and alsobrooks. two black women have never served in the u.s. sitting at the same time. what would it mean for you to break the glass ceiling? >> first of all i have to congratulate angela also brooks as well as the state of maryland for their decision. she ran a great campaign. she is an incredibly talented elected official. i am proud and excited to be running with her in this election as we really deal with the issues that are in front of us. we know we still have things we
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have to do. the president laid it out as well. instead of going backwards, we are trying to go forward. to be able to run with angela, first of all we already know the first black woman was carol moseley-braun. the second black woman elected to the senate with our vice president, kamala harris. currently lefansia butler who has been appointed's survey and will not serve as we move forward. if neither of us get elected there will be no black women in the senate. if both of us get elected it will be the first time in the history of this country that for the one black woman has served at the same time. it is unbelievable that it has taken this long, but we are going to buy for this race, we are going to fight for reproductive freedom. we are going to fight for democracy as the president outlined as well. we are hopeful.
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>> it is unbelievable that it has taken this long. i need to follow-up and ask you about a new report that finds more than half of all black women of reproductive age, 57% to be exact live in states where abortion bans are pending or in pending restrictions. isn't this exactly why more black female representation is needed in washington to get them the power to make their own decisions? >> rev, you put it right into context. the reality is we bring both professional experience as well as lived experience. part of the lived experience is our ability to have reproductive freedom. i think about that dobbs decision. this is why the stakes are so high. why a president joe biden and a
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vice president kamala harris is so important. donald trump brags about the fact that he worked to rollback the decision for roe. he has talked about punishing women for getting abortion care. even the thought of ivf, my granddaughter would not be here today if it were not for ivf. we need to continue to fight. you look at other issues like maternal mortality. we are the most developed country in the world, yet our maternal mortality rate is going up instead of down. for black women we are three times more likely to die. we can go through a host of issues why it is important that our voices be at the table. shirley chisholm you might remember the first black woman elected to the house. if they don't give you a fee to the table bring a folding chair. we are bringing being back, folding chairs, recliners. we want our seat at the table.
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>> shirley chisholm met that. while i have you i want to ask you about what's going on between your colleagues and the house. this morning texas congresswoman jasmine crockett defendant a claimed that georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene's inappropriate comments to her during a house committee meeting were races. this comes after congresswoman crockett also snapped back at or in the heated exchange. take a look at what she said earlier this morning. >> the idea that i should just sit there & that i am on the plantation and we are not both duly elected members of congress. i am just supposed to take it. i did not munch back with another personal attack against her. i asked for clarification and a hit dog hollered.
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>> she did address it to the chairman. she did not address it to mtg. the frustration that she has is justified. is there a risk or with him take an exception to some of the words that she said? is there a risk to stooping down to the mtg level? what are your thoughts? >> first of all let's be clear. congresswoman crockett is a serious legislator. she came to work. she came to represent her district as well as this country. i think in that moment when you watch the full exchange what you see is, you know, basically a recognition of enough of the disrespect. enough of the lack of decorum. to me the biggest issue is the republican leadership. the fact that that hearing was being held at an:00 at night
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because they were members who wanted to go and be with donald trump in court makes you question leadership. the fact that these kinds of things are happening on the house floor, it makes you question leadership. this week we were so blessed to get through a bipartisan bill to strengthen our supply chains. the fact that we couldn't get ppe, baby formula, we were to get bipartisan legislation across the finish line. it passed in the house overwhelmingly bipartisan. we are not talking about that because people are playing games and being personal in their attacks. the republicans, this is not the first. we started with 13 or 15 rounds of a speaker vote. the democrats and the adults in the room, we need to see some real leadership and for them to
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bring back lukewarm and focus on the american people. >> i have to leave it there. always good to have you with us. thank you for being with us. coming up, a supreme court justice is making bizarre comparisons between the courts recent rulings to is landmark civil rights decisions of the past. that is next in this week's ride up. is week's ride up. on our home's fabrics. and though we come and go, our odors stay. it's called odor transfer. left untreated, those odors get trapped inside fabrics and then release smells into your air. eww. you need febreze fabric refresher. its formula is proven to deliver... ... long-lasting odor fighting power, so you can enjoy long-lasting freshness - even hours after spraying. the more everyone sprays... ... the fresher your whole home stays. febreze fabric refresher. sup? -who are you? .i'm your inner yourchild. get in.ays. listen, what you really need in life is some freakin' torque.
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friday marked the 70th anniversary of the brown versus board of education supreme court decision, ending segregation in public schools. to say the 1954 ruling was controversial at the time would be an understatement. armed federal troops had to escort black students to school in little rock, arkansas, in order to comply with the
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ruling. the fight to fully integrate our educational system continues until this day. a few weeks ago supreme court justice brett kavanaugh tried to draw a link between decisions like brown and this conservative courts recent ruling on issues like abortion and affirmative action. according to justice kavanaugh the segregation was unpopular at the time, but now it is widely accepted. therefore, we will also learn to accept new restrictions on reproductive health and diversity programs. they will become woven into the fabric of our constitution, according to justice kavanaugh. it is stunning that a justice sitting on the highest court in the land one offer such a distorted view of our recent history in our recent past. brown versus board of education was one of the first landmark
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decisions from the supreme court under chief justice earl warren who over the next decade and a half would take major steps to expand civil rights and liberties, not to take them away. the aim was not to alter the fabric of the constitution, but instead to bring our laws in alignment with the stated goals of our founders. to make good on the promise that all men and women are created equal, with certain unalienable rights, nor was the project partisan. warren was a lifelong republican, appointed by a republican president. many of the fiercest opponents of his court decisions were democrats from the south. brown versus board of education pushed our country forward, toward a more perfect union. we should respect his legacy by rejecting conservative efforts
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to use the courts hard won legitimacy to justify self- interested rulings that would turn back the clock. we cannot allow a few radical right-wing justices to turn our history upside down. we will be right back. ight bac.
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oats. president biden is that a key point in the campaign. some polls suggest he is lagging among young voters and black male voters. was his speech today a step in the right direction? did he strike the right tone? >> i think he had a great opportunity to really address key constituencies, black men, college students, specifically in georgia, a state where the polling support has been a little soft among these key constituencies to really talk about a couple of key things. one, what his administration has done specifically and legislatively to benefit people in our community. also, to talk about the fact that he has appointed a lot of people including ketanji brown jackson jackson to the supreme court. re-highlighting his relationship with kamala harris.
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most importantly and one thing that was of distinction was noticing that he mentioned calling for an immediate cease- fire in the israel-hamas war, as well as an end to the gaza humanitarian crisis. an issue that has been surfacing more with younger black voters. i think the speech did what it needed to do. they are acknowledging they are hearing them and being proactive in responding. let's see how it lands. i do think it was a step in the right direction. >> ashley what is your take on biden speech? is i completely agree. i think poland will show over time whether or not this did resonate. i did this campaign a lot of credit for doing their homework. being on campus and trying to get the sentiment of what college students there were feeling toward the president coming and giving remarks. i do want to point out current
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polling in april show biden was only leaving by a percent with 18-29-year-olds. that's to be alarming to the biden administration considering at this point in the 2020 campaign he was up by 23% with that demographic. if you strike the right balance, and i do think he did. i give them a lot of credit for going out there and say what he did knowing it would it be a -- would be a tough crowd. polling will show one way or the other whether or not this message will resonate with young voters and if they give them enough respect for coming out to speak his truth to it. >> tim, switching gears of the presumptive gop nominee donald trump, who spoke at the national rifle association's annual convention in dallas, where he bowed to reverse gun safety measures that were put in place during the biden administration. trump accepted the nra endorsement although in many ways trump and the organization
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are similar. both are facing legal issues and are desperate for cash. the nra is not the political force it was before census hide in 2018 the nra lost over 1 million members following allegations of financial impropriety that were levied against the longtime ceo and other members of the leadership in 2019. revenue has gone down by 40% since 2016. does trump cozying up to the nra fire up people who want gun control more than it galvanizes gun rights people at this point? >> to your point, reverend, i was a big surprise that the nra announce their endorsement. i thought it was strange they were able to organize a
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conference to be frank. once i have gotten over that surprise i honestly really think it is just mobilizing components of a space that is already activated. if you care about gone singly over any other issue in the country you are probably already rallied behind donald trump. if you disagree with any of the regulations that biden has passed, you are certainly already going to be withdrawn. >> ashley, let's look ahead to trump's hush-money trial this week. former trump lawyer and now witness michael cohen will face further cross-examination tomorrow, before trump's lawyers present his defense. followed by closing arguments. republican lawmakers loyal to trump have been making pilgrimages to manhattan to show support for the former president. i wonder about the roughly 20% of republican primary voters who were still voting for nikki haley in racist months after she has dropped out. do you think a conviction in
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this case makes them more likely to go for biden? >> i do. i think it is still yet to be determined whether or not haley voters will go for biden in the general or almac third-party candidate. they are surely not going to go for donald trump and surely not going to go for donald trump is convicted. polling shows that if he's to get one conviction out of any of these trials biden sleeve drastically grows. i think right now, donald trump republican supporters who are coming out are just vying for a vice president spot or cabinet pick. at best they are going to get almac significant amount of media attention, but that is all this is. it has always been a circus for donald trump. this is all almac show. i think if republicans wanted to take this seriously they would do the job and go back to government rather than focusing on a now amber illegally financially and to all the points made by the nra candidate facing a tough uphill
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battle, still getting 20% of the votes. nikki haley suspended her campaign back in march. if he is not going to make an effort to win over her voters, which she says he doesn't care about, he's in big trouble. that could give him a real edge over biden and he would need that in order to win. i really don't think any of those orders will go toward trump if convicted or at all. >> thank you both for being with us tonight. we will speak with the director of the new msnbc films documentary on how we knew george is posing almac threat to the old ways of doing politics in the south coming up. four
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>> we are not surprised george is at the center of the universe in flipping this whole country. a number of us have built the base that made it possible. >> i think the entire country was able to see that during the georgia runoffs. >> now you have a state that was thought of as a reliable
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republicans they not having substantial democratic representation. >> we help to send the first african american and the first jewish person to the united states senate from the great state of georgia. >> with president biden at morehouse today amid his campaign worcestershire a black support, a new injury in the msnbc turning point series looks at the impact georgia grassroots organizers played in the 2020 victory, and why the state has emerged as a key battleground in the last four years, and ahead of this november's election. joining me now is the filmmaker behind the battleground georgia. thank you for joining us. let me ask you, between the democratic historic 2020 wins in georgia and the restrictions
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that have followed just six months ahead of the election, why has georgia emerged as such and battleground for the right and left? what made you want to make this film? >> thank you so much for having me. i am honored to be here. i think georgia, there are groups on the ground who have made the difference in georgia in terms of flipping it from red to blue in early 2020 and 2021. they are really engaged. they have sent out millions of tax, millions of phone calls, registered millions of voters, engaged with people and empowered people. help people to connect the dots between the importance of voting and the things they want in their lives. there has also been a backlash. immediately after the win in
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the runoff in january 2021 there was s.b. 202 passed by brian kent. florida's reaction is part of the same way the republicans trying to keep people of color and progressive people from voting on the changes they want to see happen in america. >> the q was it was on the ground, grassroots. i know the efforts by stacey abrams. at a fundraiser yesterday in atlanta president biden said if you ever doubt the power of the vote, i say come to georgia. you are the reason i won. georgia is the reason i am president right now. earlier today and morehouse he also said this ... >> the freedoms that you thought belong to you and everyone.
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today in georgia that one of our water to be available to you while you wait in line to vote in an election. what is that all about? i am serious. think about it. and then the cost and attacks on black election workers. >> having spent as much time as you have in georgia with this film, what is your reaction? >> that is about making it uncomfortable for people. georgia is notorious for having long waiting lines to vote. sometimes people are in line for over 10-12 hours. if you can have access to water you don't have access to food it makes people turn away. that is part of the effort to discourage them. one of the things i didn't answer that you ask is why did i want to make this film? i want people to see what it
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took to flip georgia so they can do the same thing in their states replaces they thought it can't be done. >> before we run out of time i want to play another clip from the film and then come back to you. >> we are in this transition where the old south is being replaced by the new south. there is friction, natural with any transition rather political, economic or otherwise. that gives me an incredible amount of hope. >> georgia more than any other state has shown republicans the future. it is not just black voters, it's asian american voters, latino voters, young white voters. starting in 2018, again in 2020, again in 2022, why voters have snuck into a majority democratic voting constituency. republicans are losing young collegiate white voters too. they see the writing on the wall. >> here in georgia to take a
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lot of pride in the fact that we showed our fellow brothers across the former confederate states that you can. >> we are out of time, your thoughts on what you just saw briefly? >> it is so important that people understand there were a lot of people who may not happen. a lot of people think of stacey abrams, but there are multiple organizes and organizations who were boots on the ground, relentless, they are nonstop 365. i just have nothing but respect for people who do that work. doing this film gave me even more respect for them. if a lot of people on the ground. i am a witness. you can catch battleground georgia the latest installment of the turning point tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. up next, sean diddy combs says he is truly sorry for physically assaulting kathy ventura in 2016.
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>> as i said last night in 2004 i ran for president and i want to talk about the debate and some tips i will give president biden. first i want to address diddy,
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whom i've known for years and worked on with various issues at his charter school. i was stunned, shocked and disgusted when i saw the video of him beating and stopping a young woman that became public on friday. he apologized for it today, but nothing could excuse, there is no excuse for that kind of behavior. as a father of two young women and raised by a single mother there is nothing that justifies whether it is family, friends, or people who work with you, that justifies that kind of behavior. he says he will seek help. i hope he gets it. not for the debates. president biden has agreed and challenged mr. trump to meet him on two debates. i doubt if donald trump will really debate president biden. he is making up all kinds of demands that he wants an audience and this and that. i think he's going to try to find a way out.
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if they had the debate, as one in the debates in 2004, i would suggest we stay on issues. which is why i think it is appropriate you have no audience. it should not be a cheering squad. do not follow any other item other than to raise the issues that the american people are about. do not bite debate, mr. biden. he's going to try to debate you. he's going to try to get you to say things that have nothing to do with what the american people need to and want to hear. when you are in the ring with a clown, be the ringmaster and deal with setting the tone. that does it for me. thank you for watching. i will see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. right now it's the sunday show.