learning to life. >> what we are learning in class has lasting effects for the rest of their life. >> reporter: the visit leaving 18-year-old matthew and addie eager to vote. >> learning about the process more and more knowledge never hurts. >> the next generation of voters matters. >> reporter: in the fall, their stickers will be up rated to i voted for it emma barnett, nbc news, new york, ohio. >> she said she was beaming with pride when she saw her students scanning the qr code to become poor workers. >> and she should be. that's a cool story. thank you so much. that will do it for this edition. we will be back next saturday and sunday at 1:00 p.m. eastern. deadline white house is next. n

welcome to prime time we can, i am nicolle wallace. let's get right to the week's top stories. >> donald trump would never keep the fifth amendment. if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> now he is on trial for hiding hush money payments to a star. but he won't take the stand. donald, why won't you testify? after all, you believe only guilty cowards to the fifth. >> fifth amendment, fifth amendment, fifth amendment, horrible. horrible. please take the stand, donald. or admit you are a coward. >> it is a big open question at this point, will he or won't he? will donald trump take the stand in his defense in his own criminal trial? the jury good to hear from the man at the center of all of it, the defendant directly. we have seen the ex-president

take the stand or go under oath for very short periods of time in previous trials and it has got not gone very well for him. in november of last year he testified in the civil fraud trial against him and his businesses, where he flung and sold as a judge the attorney general who brought the case and the lawyer questioning him. just like that ad called him out on during an earlier deposition, in that case, he pled the fifth a lot of times. >> the 2019 statement of financial condition contained false and misleading evaluations and statements, is that correct? you know at the time it was finalized in the year 2019 statement of financial condition contained false and misleading statements? >> same answer. please same answer. please same answer was the fifth. there also was, of course, this rather memorable moment from his deposition in the e. jean carroll defamation lawsuit. >> i don't even know who the woman, let's say, i don't know if that's marla. you said marla

is in the photo? >> that is marla, yeah. that is my wife here. oh, sorry. >> the person you just pointed to is carol. >> it is either my wife or the woman accusing me of sexual assault wife, no, the other one, the one accusing you of sexual assault. remains to be seen what he will do next week. as for his behavior at the trial so far, a reporter from the new york times has been in the courtroom every day describes in this way, quote, he strides into the court room just before proceedings begin each morning, a real heavily made up person who directs grimaces, flowers, and occasionally winks towards the reporters. his face balls when he thinks he is not being observed. and sometimes he stands up on the defense table, i can see him readying himself to face the press, jutting out his job or turning toward our seat. court will be back in session

on monday and we will see the conclusion of michael cohen's cross-examination. both the prosecution and defense could begin their closing arguments right after that on tuesday. judge marchant told the lawyers to have those closing arguments ready by tuesday. it has been on was one month since witness testimony began at his criminal trial. so far we have heard 19 individuals paint a pretty vivid picture of the sleazy world of tabloids and celebrity gossip pick they have explained phone and bank records and described a 2016 trump campaign in extreme damage control mode in the aftermath of the release of the access hollywood tape. the jury heard from stormy daniels, the recipient of the $130,000 in hush money. and most recently, we heard from trump's former victor, michael cohen. the man who directly ties the ex-president to those payments and the reimbursement. in just a few days, this case could be in the hands of the jurors, 12 people deciding the criminality of the man who is both an ex-president and a

current presidential candidate the only trial that will likely take place before the american voters go to the polls. warmer criminal division deputy chief at msnbc legal analyst kristi grammer gets back, plus former executive editor with american media think and special correspondent for the hollywood reporter, cartwright is back retired new york city judge is here, he has been at the trial every single day taking notes and watching astutely and our friend, msnbc legal analyst, welcome, thank you so much for being here but i know you visited with some of our colleagues and some of our regulars. i wonder what your impression is i'm taking it all in and sort of having a sense of what stands out when the whole thing is over and jurors are sort of back and left to remember what really stuck with them. >> well, overall, i think the d.a. instruction, a very, very strong case. i think it has been fitting together. i think there is abundant evidence on the record to support a conviction of donald

trump with respect to all of the counts, frankly. however, on thursday afternoon, right before the lunch break, starting around 12:30-ish, michael cohen took a direct hit . prior to that on his credibility. prior to that, there were things like his previous perjury's, nasty comments regarding the deceased judge, judge pauly, who said was in it with southern district with the d.a., with the federal prosecutor, which i felt very offputting and i imagine the jury probably felt that way, too. but nothing directly on point to his previous testimony. but then they hit him with respect to a crucial phone call that he previously testified on monday, may 13th about with donald trump, october 24th, about 8:00 p.m., 2:00 p.m. to be exact. that he was ready to pull the trigger on the scheme to get the $130,000 payoff to stormy

daniels from her attorney, keith davidson. and he wanted to get the signoff from trump's, he wanted to let him know, we are ready to go because he was using his money from a home equity line so he testified, he calls keith schiller, keith schiller gives him a text, call now, he calls, lays it out to trump, good to go. very clean, very straight then on thursday, he is hit by todd blanche on cross-examination with some crazy call involving a 14-year-old who was threatening him and so there is a 7:48 text from michael cohen to keith schiller saying what do we do about people who threaten people in that kind of thing? it is in that context that he gets the call me to keith schiller and then it is laid out that apparently the call had a lot to do with that threat and then it is followed

up, and it is a very short call. it is one minute and 36 seconds. then it is followed up the following morning about 8:00 a.m., or 7:58 a.m., i believe, a text from cohen to schilling, did you talk to the parents yet? so here is the thing. cohen was initially flat-footed by that point he wasn't prepared for it by the d.a., which was quite surprising. the d.a. had access to the same records that the defense did. this is coming out as an entirely new story. so cohen is kind of like, i would say, tap dancing and saying maybe we could have talked about those things. if it would have been in his direct testimony on monday it could have been explained. so >> how do you clean up, though? on redirect, is it bad enough? it sounds like, in your estimation, it is bad enough that they want to come back to

it on redirect. >> it looks like something like it was an oversight. i had a lot going on in my life, getting hit with things left and right i forgot it, i shouldn't have forgot it. that is the best they can do. it was a very important call, though, in its own right but it is not fatal because there is so much other evidence. the fatal part is the key links to this evidence that will cohen provide. in particular, that he legally provides a january 17th, 2017 meeting with him and weisselberg and trump on the 26th floor in trump tower where they basically layout the whole plan in the infamous weisselberg notes and then following up on february eighth of 2017, the one on one, i believe it was testified, one on one in the oval office where trump is saying things to cohen like are you okay? don't worry the checks are coming, something like that, nine, $35,000 checks signed by

trump in addition to other checks from the trump organization. now with the d.a. is going to ultimately have to do is convince the jury that donald trump had motive and intent to assist cohen or help cohen cover up a crime, a fico crime. not that the $130,000 was really a campaign contribution peer to his credibility, and establishing that, it is unique and crucial pics so the october 20 fourth problem that is the stuff that doubt is made of. that is where we are wrong. >> how much would you expect them to come back to everything that came before cohen? obviously they made a strategic decision that he would go last. the original catch and kill put trump on the relief couch, right? the 18th all these people smear

michael cohen and make it abundantly clear one he didn't have a leash longer than four inches long. two, he couldn't spend a dime without talking to donald trump first. and three, he didn't have the sex and he didn't benefit from it being kept secret. >> one might argue this and joshua steinglass who was the lead, the support you can be sure it is going to be really terrific in terms of experience. i think what you're saying is exactly how i would approach it which is let's get through all the evidence, we are going to come back to him and we will talk about him. but let's talk about all of the evidence and i read a piece in the new york times just before michael cohen testified about that issue. do you call him? because the think, i thought, was surprisingly strong. i thought david p ecker opening was sort of masterful in terms of laying it out. and then you turn to michael cohen. i actually, do think that there

are, there is no way they brought this case thinking, oh, you have to leave michael cohen or else you can't convict and i think they are going to say that and they're going to say that he has cooperated about the things that really matter and even if you just use your common sense, yes, of course that was a given in the beginning, middle, and end of the case and they are still going to say that. it doesn't mean this is very much like the civil case, you can be convicted of perjury, you can be a liar and it doesn't mean you are always lying. >> i mean, every mock trial features unseemly characters that were part of the mob. the witness couldn't be, there would be very few people in our jails. >> i will tell you a story about the number of times i put san diego bono on the stand. he was the underboss of the gambino family who was still cooperating and one of the baggage he had, in addition to participating in 19 murders, he was, he had been captured on

tape saying that if you go into the grand jury, he talked about what you need to do and he said that for a certain percent of the time, i can't remember if it's 60 or 70%, you could tell the truth. he said for the other percentage you could kind of bob and weave and give examples of how you can sort of deflect and then he said whatever 10% of the time, just luck because you have to. i remember going to the jury and saying the only part of that tape that is surprising is that it is only 10%. i mean, of course, and then you talk about cooperation, you talk about different interests that the person has and that is where you can, no one is sitting there saying, oh, he is a paragon of virtue. this trial, frankly the person that comes off the best is probably stormy daniels. david pecker had a hideous story in terms of this country . hope hicks is paragon and

saying a lot of things and he is very complicit in a lot of horrific things. and so now no one is going to saying you have to leave michael cohen except the defense will be saying exactly that. they will try to say he is critical. >> but is that call essential? i think the other piece of it and the other question, and i don't know this, i've only been a juror, never studied them. i've never selected them. i think that probably says more about me than anybody else. but we don't know what they latched onto, right? but it is undeniable that the two witnesses that were slaughtered most brutally by trump's team were stormy daniels, the woman he chose to have sex with, and michael cohen, the woman he asked to cover it up. those things may be more, sort of speaks to your gut than what has happened in the courtroom. but it is undeniable. >> and i was sitting there and we were just noting just before lunch, they would be throwing a lot of diagnosed toward michael

cohen. yes, this was something that you could tell was working his way to. he raised his voice. i looked to eric trump, he looked around to the press. the human printer said did you get this down? this is the bombshell. >> after 19 days they finally had >> did you get? this is it. and i left lunch thinking, you get a lot into a 92nd phone call. you can talk about a lot of things and i don't think it is this bombshell that he was making out. i do feel like that was just, we have come so far from david packer. michael cohen was on the stand last and what he has been saying has been corroborated already by david pecker and hope hicks so i didn't really believe that moment and said that it was this kind of absolute ripper bombshell as the human printer is looking at me saying this is it we were

working for. >> well and it is this other piece of there, todd blanche bombed. and so in trump world, you only get the bomb in a public performative capacity once so there is the legal blow he clearly landed on michael cohen, which they were expecting on tuesday, which they previewed with the press on tuesday. that was his goal tuesday. he did not achieve that goal to stay. it was described on fox news as on even. he lands the blow on thursday, what did david kelly say yesterday, cohen is there really as a fact witness, everything had been pre- corroborated, pre-established. he is there to sort of add a human voice to things that people have already seen with their own eyes percocet a rochell it documents 12 times over. they weren't all signed by the same people. is it your sense that he is on the stand in the first place because they felt like everything that came before him was strong enough to withstand a blow like this? >> i think so. i think he has been corroborated in 70 different

ways and again, as andrew said, the story that the defense wants to tell doesn't make sense. you not only have to believe that michael cohen went rogue and arranged all these payments on his own but that allen weisselberg did the same thing and that just doesn't really track with everything we have heard about how the trump organization operates think the one thing i would say is, i agree with you, i didn't, yes it was, i guess, a bombshell moment in the sense that there wasn't a whole lot happening otherwise. but i don't know, i forgive him for it because this was eight years ago. this is 2016 for him to remember, he went through, this wasn't the only conversation he had with donald trump about this topic. there were multiple calls, there were multiple -- yes, right? and there are two short calls on the 26th and then we had these other conversations. so again, the fact that other topics would have come up. he remembers that they talked about a he remembers the broad strokes. i think remembering every little detail of those conversations, ask anybody to do that from last week and i think they would have a hard

time. he remembers the take away, right? he remembers the take away from the conversation. so i thought he was still credible on that point. >> does trump testify? >> he would be crazy to >> he's crazy, though. >> rather than be focused on, right now, where the prosecution is supposed to be ending with michael cohen, in which case the last words we are hearing our from michael cohen are those words about revenge is a dish best served cold. now we will be hearing about e. jean carroll, now we are going to hear about all the ways in which he was threatening a port law clerk in his last trial. that is coming and the judge has said that comes in. we hear about the trump foundation and self-dealing. we hear about the civil fraud that he was engaged in. all that is fair game and now there is a shift. people will forget real quick about anything michael cohen was doing and will go right back to all of the things

donald trump has done in the past. they would be crazy to do it the only way i can see him doing it as if he just says, look, i need to take back control and it is just chaos. but again, we saw him in the civil fraud trial testified and it was chaos. there was no control. he was just railing about witchhunts and then you saw before judge kaplan and it was a very different story. as soon as he started to go off of what the proffer of what he was supposed to talk about was, judge kaplan shut it down. he instructed the jury you can't consider that. was short and sweet and he was off the stand within minutes of being on the stand. i think judge marchand is more in the judge kaplan camp. he is not going to allow this to become a circus and so knowing that, i don't think donald trump will take the stand. >> you love him, too. >> i'm not just saying this because i have a steak dinner. i don't think he does. if he does it turns into what we have been hearing out in the hallway, which of these freewheeling, free styling moments and the whole thing

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with no less than the fate of our democracy at stake, the nine justices of the united states supreme court hold in their hands the power to forever alter the trajectory of our country how they rule on cases having to do with jan. 6 i, the violent attempt to disrupt the peaceful transfer of residential power will echo for generations so not only is it reasonable for us to expect those nine human beings to go about their process impartially, it is also vital that they are seen and perceived as being impartial humans. the very appearance of bias could strain our trust in an honest result for these cases

which is why today's news isn't just disturbing, it is scary the new york times sites photos and interviews with neighbors and reporting that in 2021, days before president joe biden's inauguration as president, days after the deadly attack on the united states capital on january 6th, neighbors of conservative justice samuel alito noticed something on his lawn. an upside down american flag pick a symbol commonly used in those days by trump supporters who falsely suggested the election was stolen. a symbol of stop the steal, if you will. that flag flew in the alito's yard, the front yard, as he and his fellow justices were contending with whether to hear a 2020 election case. an argument on which a leader would find himself on the losing end. in response to the new york times, seeking responses, alito provided an emailed statement. quote, i had no involvement whatsoever in the flying of the flag pick it was briefly placed

by, wait for it, misses alito in response to a neighbor's use of objectionable and personally insulting language on yard signs. he blamed his wife. sound familiar? even if one accepts that at face value, we should ask ourselves, to do anything to alleviate the perception of bias, that an anti-trump lawn sign, a mean neighbor, so personally insulting to misses alito that the only recourse they had was the supreme court justice and the justices wife was to fly the stop the steal symbol, banished by some writers who attacked the capital one week before in a widely televised insurrection? again, with not one but two january 6 related cases looming still the first on presidential immunity, the other on the fate of a statute used to usurp

felony obstruction charges on hundreds who attacked the capital pick supreme court must now consider how far their new code of conduct goes, who it applies to on the topic of disqualification. quote, the justice should disqualify himself or herself any proceeding in which the justices impartiality might reasonably, reasonably be questioned. that is where an unbiased and reasonable person, who is aware of all relevant circumstances would doubt that the justice could fairly discharge his or her duties. in response to the new york times report, senator >> durbin, the senate judiciary called on alito to recuse himself. for the court to adopt a binding code of ethics as a reminder, another member of that committee, richard blumenthal who will be in our guest in a few minutes, echoed that sentiment this morning on morning joe. >> justice alito should not sit

on any of these cases involving donald trump. he ought to recuse himself and here is the challenge to chief justice roberts, the united states supreme court credibility is plummeting. all-time low. >> completely. >> lower than perhaps even the united states congress and that is saying something. and it is due to the supreme court's own self-inflicted wounds. alito and thomas were directly involved in the january 6th insurrection. now you're going to sit on cases involving pivotal legal questions. absolutely unthinkable. >> and yet, here we are. so how did the supreme court will ultimately come down in the january 6th cases is unclear. nobody knows. and now, before the justices have made public their decisions, the american people have a legitimate reason to be concerned. have doubt that the court will make a decision in an entirely impartial manner

pick senior editor for slate and the host of the abacus podcast is back. plus former lead investigator for the january 6th committee is back with us at the table for the hour. former top official and department of justice msnbc legal analyst, andrew weissman is here. dahlia, this is a story that doesn't pack a lot of surprises when it comes to alito and thomas. a story that propublica won a pulitzer for their extra ordinary body of reporting. it is a story that stopped me in my tracks last night when i saw the new york times, the photo that has an image that if you love this country, is like a body blow to see the image and after i saw the image i read the story and learned that it flew over the house, the front lawn of one of nine human beings that make up the united states supreme court is to me, and epic scandal. >> i mean, i think it is a scandal. i also think we are going to

make a huge category error if we hyperfocus on the sam alito is a mean, bitter man who gets in fights with his neighbors because i think it takes away from the institutional story that we have to focus on, that senator blumenthal focused on coaches how is it possible that there is a supreme court in which not one but two, now, justices have materially advanced positions in support of something that looks like stop the steal, something that looks like sympathy for the claim that the election was stolen and that there is no mechanism whatsoever other than their own goodwill onto themselves to stop them. and i think that what is shocking about this story isn't so much that it kind of looks like the alito's should have done with the rest of us do when we fight with our neighbors which is trim their rosebushes in the dark of night. but that is not the story.

the story is that yet again, we have two justices who are sitting on cases, one already decided, anderson, the colorado case. two pending, as you said. the only mechanism that the public has is to be angry and upset. that just can't be the end of the story. >>, i mean andrew weissman, the bad neighbors, the least shocking part of the story, right? and that a fight with a neighbor that your instinct is to side with the insurrectionist's is the rot. oh yeah, so first, list to set aside the story. you don't have to be a prosecutor to pick that apart and i would say thank god there is a photo because of there wasn't a part of the story would be, it didn't happen. so there is 1 million ways that that cover story is absurd clear that misses alito did it? >> it is just like the responses to the propublica stuff. the response is, maybe you should think these are the people that are deciding to overturn roe versus wade, i

think it is absolutely the right one. if you want to connect the image that you saw, you don't have to look far. if you look at what alito said in the immunity argument, the argument was, should a president be subject to the criminal laws? and it was unbelievable, someone was saying a u.s. attorney that is now sitting in the supreme court of the united states took the position, we cannot trust doj, we cannot trust a grand jury of citizens. >> cannot trust the criminal justice system which, by the way, he oversees the constitutional limits on what the government can do we can't trust that and that is why a president should be immune. and you tie that now to what you are seeing. and i will say this is a direct line in terms of his what he espoused in the verbal argument to the image that you are seeing. this is not like, oh, his wife

just happened to be doing something because you can tie it to his rhetoric and what his position is in the court. >> talk about this image. i saw it and immediately remembered it because i sat here and anchored hours of live television on january 6th and i was staring at what the insurrectionist were carrying. a lot of them were carrying trump black which is the first image that i had but a lot of them carried this image of the flag upside down. there it is. i had to google it on that day. i didn't know what that meant. but this is, in the view of the insurrectionist's, these are insurrectionist as a way. this is the symbol, this is alito, if you believe him at this point, decided to hang on her front lawn. >> right, nicole, absolutely. it is one of the symbols that helps a lot of the writers use to demonstrate their belief that the system was inverted. that the outcome was inverted. the symbolism here is that america ideals have been turned upside down. that the wrong person is being

installed as president because of all this fraud has somehow gone undetected. completely bogus factually, no foundation for that argument but that is what this the symbol of the inverted flag means and it was on display very prominently at the capital on january 6th, which means there is no question that whoever made the decision to put that flag up in front of justice alito's house 11 days later was willingly associating with the insurrectionist's, with this notion that the outcome was somehow inverted to me it doesn't matter who made the decision. it raises a very clear appearance issue. right? if a supreme court justice, who is making decisions that bear directly upon the legality of what happened on january 6th, the solemnity of our democracy and election as evidenced that belief with that symbol, at the very least raises an issue of appearance, of bias, of

conflict and notoriety and that is why the rules not to say actual conflict, they say appearance of a conflict, which clearly calls for recusal. >> i mean, i can't believe i'm about to say this but let's deal with the impossible odds that there would be not one but two insurrection abettors married to the nine people who make up the u.s. supreme court. how did the supreme court become literally married to extremists? >> i mean, i guess i want to just put aside what we are going to hear in the coming days, which is that it is sexist to judge either misses alito or misses thomas, right? we heard over and over again how dare critics of justices thomas and alito try to muzzle and silence their wives who are independent agents and can do what they want. i mean, clearly if you look at the ethics rules, it has nothing to do with muzzling

your wife. it has to do with evincing the appearance that you have a dog in this fight. that is the end of the question. and clearly, with ginni thomas is making phone calls to legislators or she is texting mark meadows to say set aside the election results that you are compromised. it has nothing to do with subordinating women. >> when we come back, our next guest says there's absolutely no way justices alito and clarence thomas should be rolling or deciding on cases involving donald trump and jan. 6 appear calling this latest revelation beyond disturbing. a key member of the senate judiciary committee, senator richard blumenthal will be our next guest.

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>> what we do now is, number one, seek a code of ethics, because the supreme court has none. it has rules and principles that they have adopted but they are not a code of conduct and they are not enforceable. so congress really should be put on the spot and i think that the suggestion that litigants, perhaps, should raise the issue of recusal in these cases involving trump is not a bad idea but it is unlikely to have an effect. what i think we need to do now is put the supreme court on the ballot. say that their membership on the supreme court is going to be a lasting impact of this election and that the choices as to who will replace the current justices likely will be made by the next president and the the choices we make in this

election will determine whether or not the supreme court really reflects america as to its plummeting support in the american public you know, the supreme court is a fundamentally anti-democratic institution. chosen by a president, elected by no one, sitting for life, and if it begins losing trust, as it is doing, it will be very very difficult for it to recover. but we need to make sure that there is support for a supreme court that would reflect america basic values. >> what i'm hearing from you is that the remedy, in your view, is what republicans have done with the issue of the supreme court for decades for generations. so is it conceding that there's not much that can be done without a partner in chief

justice roberts? >> we need to put the blame on republicans for what is happening in the supreme court. they are the ones who are responsible for the current members, thomas and alito, who flagrantly are violating the basic standards and principles of decency and i think that the american people understand that these choices that are made and elections will have consequences for the courts and that is putting the courts on the ballot. remember that if samuel alito or a member of a lower court, and he put that flag upside down on his property, he would be likely investigated, probably disciplined, but definitely, in my view, disqualified for sitting on any case involving the insurrection or donald trump. and that fact just highlights that the supreme court has no

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so who is going to be tomorrow? which lucky republican will have nothing better to do tomorrow, to schlep up to manhattan just to join the ranks of donald trump's courthouse groupies fueled by ambition or self-preservation or some combination of the two, the revolving door of magda bouncers/cheerleaders, to the disgraced ex-presidents trial that is turned into sort of a performance art. they say what he can't exaggerate or even outright lying about the witnesses, the judge, and the facts and in more shocking but not surprising news, listen to what journalist andrew price of new york magazine observed during the trial. >> in court yesterday, actually, i was sitting close enough that i could actually

look over trump's shoulder and he was actually reading the quotes that these individuals were, and goiter and making notations with a pen on the paper. the whole testimony was going on. while michael cohen was testifying against him he was actually going through and annotating and editing the quotes that these -- >> stunning, not surprising, joining our coverage, conservative attorney and contributed to the inventor, george conway is back. george, of course donald trump was editing the things that the vp were saying outside the courthouse because they were the things he would say if he was not at risk of criminally violating his own gag order. >> that's right. but in doing that, he was criminally violating his own gag order because that order covers people, covers any statements made on his behalf that he causes to be made and that is clearly what he did here.

he brought these people encourage them to cut come to manhattan, edited their statements and sent them out so they can make the statements that he wanted them to make but that is nothing going on here that i think it's worth pointing out. this is part of a massive effort that appears to be going on on trump's side to keep this man from blowing up. to keep him on the relatively emotional even keel for donald trump you saw last week where there was a story in the new york times where they are printing out things to cheer him up and then you saw how last week he almost, he lost it in the courtroom when stormy daniels started testifying about how she spanked him with a magazine, he started swearing and the judge could hear it and he could have been thrown in jail just for that. so i think one of the things that is going on here is that they are bringing these people up there to show fealty to him, to quench his narcissistic thirst, to make him feel better because he is always, he always

feels better when he is before a magda crowd or people are paying on and telling him how great he is and that is actually probably a good deal of what is actually going on there. they are trying to maintain his psychological composure which is very very difficult. >> george, i love the line, narcissistic thirst lead you to think you may want to testify? >> yeah, well, i think, if i was his lawyer, in 1 million years i would never tell him to testify i would tell him not to testify and it reminds me of that passage towards the end of bob's first book on the administration where he has, where woodward quotes john dowd, trump's original personal lawyer as saying the reason why he couldn't testify is he is a effingham liar. and you can't, he would be torn to shreds in about three

minutes. but he never listens to his lawyers pick it is not going to be because he all of a sudden decided to follow legal advice. the cross-examination of stormy and the miscues the other day he doesn't listen to his lawyers pick if he doesn't testify it is because he is scared donald, you are scared. you like to go out and stand out there in the hallway and say all the things that you say because nobody it's to ask you questions. if they ask you questions you just turn around and walk away. you, donald, i hope you're listening to me. you are a . you are scared of doing what stormy daniels had to do and what michael cohen had to do and what every other person who has called you can't call these people liars, donald, unless you go on the stand and tell your truth. let's hear it, let's see how you do.

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