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honor for the president to be at morehouse than it is for morehouse to have the president. i'm very serious about that. i don't know that this was the proper balance -- i understand -- but i don't know this was the proper balance in terms of celebrating a day that is about these young men and their commencement from such an important day then giving a campaign speech to an audience that he has to reach and is critical for him going into the selection. i'm curious about your reaction.
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>> i think those are all important points. and joe biden has to reach black poachers. that will be the only way he keeps his presidency. i think that's really important. but one of the things i was struck by that i was happy he talked about is the reason he exists and that he's president now is because of barack obama. what i think he does that is smart but important it is -- when he made the connection for being the standardbearer and the sort of placeholder for kamala harris, i thought that was more of the kind of stuff i would have loved to have seen. i'm glad he announced the 16 billion-dollar investment in hbcus. a lot of these colleges have
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enormous endowments that some of these other colleges do not have. i think is not to peaceful protest is someone who comes -- my grandfather was jailed for his beliefs. i think the agreement and the protesters in the audience were very respectful. and they used symbols from civil rights that are important and you had these faculty members with the congolese flag. this is a politically engaged audience, which is quite good. s but the campaign stuff, it's distasteful. and the reality is -- but again, i think this administration is concernedtr because the stakes the selection. but morehouse is hallowed ground. but i think he's in an
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impossible situation. >> i think you are correct. he's in a precarious situation. but it's important to understand it is one of his own doing. you've had for years to make your case. this hurried response is something that i think reflects more on not figuring out messaging before now because let's be fair. the evidence and substance you can make the argument that the record supports that. and that's fine. you can make the argument that the record supports joe biden having had a very successful presidency. the evidence is there. the issue is that the messaging is not. and you got to this point we've had four years to figure it out and haven't quite struck the right tenor. and i have to make these decisions. there were a couple of things i heard during the speech. he talked about black men being
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in the space where they love america but their love for america is not reciprocated to them in equal measure. there was also a part we talked about creating an america where referencing police reform and george floyd, which i don't know was the appropriate tenor in terms of to invoke the notion t of george floyd in this conversation. i understand it. i don't know if it was the right. he talked about creating an america where black parents don't have to have the talk with their children. as a black man i have mixed feelings about that. and the usage of that. i appreciate the policy and the reference in the not too justice and to president obama and vice president kamala harris, but when you start campaigning on
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that stage in this moment and using this type of language, the question becomes, all right, so what you do x>> listen. these are all important points and it's good for talking about it because we are very much on the same page about a lot of things. i think that -- i don't know. i'm struck by -- ketanji brown jackson is amazing. and she's incredible. and we've seen a lot of times where i've seen how racist and misogynistic this country is in a baked in way. the kind of attack she stepped through and she's turned out to be -- during arguments you hear her and you hear how much smarter she is.
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i don't know. i'm struck by a lot of points in the speech. look, there was -- he did it and it was important. and, by the way, it got built up as one of the bigger news moments, which i think is good for morehouse and good for joe biden. he gave a speech. wasn't perfect. he is not a gifted orator. there were a lot of things in it and his commitment to trying to write the incredible racism in this country is sincere. can he do it? i don't think so. but he is trying.>> in some ways , in terms of day she talked about the buildup. it reminds me of the 2007 speech that barack obama gave in philadelphia. the difference is that this is a commencement. and that's the key.
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i want to bring in april ryan. she's the white house correspondent and washington bureau chief and she's a contributor. good to have you. you just heard this speech. we've been talking about this notion of a commencement speech versus a campaign speech. i'd like your initial reaction to what you heard in the conversation so far. >> i greatly differ with molly. i respect her opinion, but i differ. i interviewed the president of morehouse prior to this address this week. he said he didn't believe there would be any protests. he said he didn't believe that the students there would risk zip ties. but there were peaceful protests from the beginning when the president stood up you saw the congolese flag. faculty and staff. it signified that there needs to be a focus on the congo and
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the atrocities happening in congo. and she looked in the crowd, yes he ticked off all of his messages about his positives and what he's done for black america. but there was clearly an understanding in that crowd of black men and family members all walks of life who understood the oppression by groups of people. you had people wearing the palestinian liberation scarf and people who turned their backs. you saw one faculty member -- someone was standing in the back with her fist up. there was clear protests that the president saw. it was clear peaceful protests. in this moment on this sacred ground and the president said
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the reason why it is so sacred, and he did not expect to have that is because of the sanctity and the sacred nature of that. the only time the students walked on the campus was for graduations and when there was a eulogy for martin luther king jr. >> i talked about the notion of this being sacred grounds. and i do agree with molly inasmuch as there was somewhat of an untenable position that joe biden was in inasmuch as if you go into that space and you don't touch any of the political implications in front of a key voter demographic, it's possible that you miss a key opportunity. is there ever any room -- do you think there was a possibility he could've found a better balance in his remarks, or is this just between a rock and a hard place around his decision in terms of which way to go.>> walking into this the
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president knew that african americans are not as strong for him in the selection as they were the last. and he had to take off messaging about his positives. but he had to talk about the hamas israeli war where the palestinians are being harmed. but if the president -- if i were the speechwriter who could have expanded more on the issue of palestine because that was a lot of crocs for the argument. a lot of the protests. and jake sullivan earlier in the week talked about the palestinians. he said they are living in . we can play that take. not only are they living in , he said there needs to be dignity and the aid that needs to go there. i think if the president were internet, it would not have been as -- i don't know --
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there was still protesting. ot i think people would've left with more, like, okay, this is where you are on palestine. and he called for a cease-fire and so did the valedictorian. but lean in more of palestine. and let's see what happens. also when he goes to detroit this evening, as i'm hearing that at least he's willing to go . muslims as well as arabs in the community are upset. so today will be a day he walks into the fire and faces off with black america. and this is what he might need to see. the fact that they've turned their heads and putting their heads down and raising their fists because they want more. >> i would ask you for your thoughts on that, but he did touch on the notion of supporting peaceful protests
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and what type of response to anticipate that will be with from under protests of that demographic? de if you hear that and you're someone that was in a protesting camp on a college campus, how do you think that takes place? >> i don't think we disagree. i don't have the insight into what it's like to be in an hbcu or the history of morehouse, but i don't disagree that there are serious protests. he has work to do and i think he knows that, which is why he's trying to do the work. can he do it? i don't know. but i think -- look, which rather have a president who says , you are entitled to peaceful protests, which is in the constitution, or would you rather have a president that says lock them up? this is the choice.
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it's a binary choice. it's not like there's another candidate. peaceful protests we have a long and storied history of peaceful protests. they happened today and there were real meaningful protests and it was not disruptive and they did it. and they have a right to do that. and i'm proud to live in the country where it happens.>> thank you very much for having two of the best to do it. i appreciate you both. we will continue to follow breaking news out of the middle east. iran state media is saying that a helicopter carrying president ebrahim raisi had a hard landing. other officials were also on board. the helicopter was flying in a remote mountain region and a search and rescue operation is underway, however, the efforts of beings slowed due to the
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19 witnesses have testified donald trump's new york election interference probe. there's a chance that the former president will be the next one to take the stand. donald trump made it appear that he made up his mind about testifying. he told reporters last month, i will testify. absolutely.
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his attorneys, however, told the judge they've not decided whether trump will actually do so. regardless, we will likely only have to wait a few more days to find out. the other lingering question is whether more allies will make cameo appearances at the courthouse downtown. last week more than a dozen republican lawmakers showed up to demonstrate their fealty. that included the top republican in congress, mike johnson. they contributed to the spectacle of what this trial is, especially as the prosecutions star witness, michael cohen, took the stand. the defense will resume cross- examination in the morning. michael cohen is the final witness for the prosecution. and prosecutors are expected to rest their case. it is an almost surreal moment in history. the final stretch of something that none of us have ever seen
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before. judge juan merchan has told both sides to prepare to give closing arguments as soon as tuesday. that leaves room for the possibility that a perfect is days away. joining me now is the cohost of a podcast and msnbc contributor and also joining us is suzanne craig. joyce, we are going to start off taking off the glasses and talking to a lawyer. what are you looking for going in to this week, particularly as we seem to be barreling toward the conclusion of this trial and what will be the summations at the end of the week?>> a couple of key turning points. first we will see whether anything else develops in the remainder of michael cohen's
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cross-examination that strikes a hit against his credibility. he has done very well despite this moment in cross where he was caught in a lie about phone call. there's plenty of good evidence that the prosecution can use when they redirect their examination and show that the one phone call that michael cohen was fuzzy about is eclipsed by series of calls two days later on the 28th that showed that donald trump was well aware and in the loop on the payment to stormy daniels. we will look for have both sides articulate their position to the jury in summation. that is obviously a key point in any trial and perhaps an underappreciated point in trial we should pay attention to is the judge's instructions to the jury on the law. it is up to the jury to resolve disputed factual issues, but the judge tells them what law
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they should apply when they make decisions about the facts. and that is outcome determinate in any trial, but especially in this one.>> we've been talking on and off tv about this trial. i want to ask you as someone who is been in the courtroom and around the courtroom about the presence of this macro support group that donald trump has had over the past week or so. how much of that, in terms of the atmosphere, is playing a role? we are not there. we just see the cameras. are they a distraction? is it something that people notice at all, or is it having an impact on the courtroom atmosphere? >> i don't think it is. i have been there every day and we don't even see them. sometimes they are sitting in the courtroom so you see the visual them behind him, but for the most part it's background noise. i see two things going on.
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is a criminal proceeding going on and then you have political theater. and i separate them and i'm very focused on the court proceeding when i'm down there.>> just a follow-up, how much interaction have you observed, if any, between donald trump and these sing the fans to show up dressed like him and talk like him appeared in his talking points. are the interacting at all or is it a wall between them? >> just to put people from what i can see. i am in an overflow room. so have a good visual through close circuit tv. you don't see them interacting in the courtroom. you see donald trump sitting at the defendant's table and behind him you see various circuits sitting there. but you don't see any interaction with them. the only thing we saw this week
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were heard about was from a reporter who had seen donald trump writing instructions to them about what to say. there is the political theater, but donald trump is under a gag order. he's limited in what he can say and he can talk about the judge and the manhattan district attorney, but he can't talk about other witnesses. and the circuits filled the role of standing outside and talking about things that donald trump cannot and criticizing and attacking people that donald trump cannot. from what i can see, there are two worlds. there's a court proceeding that i'm focused on and then there's that theater behind it.>> joyce, we are both former prosecutors. do you think the prosecution has met their burden and proven the case beyond reasonable doubt? >> you know i will put that back on you.
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that is a decision that is ultimately up to the jury. we can assess the evidence and look at it. the most important thing for viewers to recognize is the government bears the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. in other words, a tie goes to the runner. and donald trump is the runner. every single juror has to be persuaded that the government has established every element of the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. that is a heavy burden that the government bears. the evidence here is very strong. i think it it's impossible to dispute the records that support the payment to stormy daniels made by michael cohen. but something i teach my first year law students is that buried in every crime there's element of proof that we don't often talk about. in most cases it is obvious. but it's the identity of the person who committed the crime and that's the hurdle for the government to clear proving that donald trump committed these crimes not just michael
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cohen with allen weisselberg. >> i told viewers we were going to school today. and you are not disappointing. i'm still going to put it back on you in a different way. if you're putting together your summation, thematically, in terms of the evidence we heard come out, what are you leaning in most on? we talked about the documents. are there particular pieces of testimonial witnesses that you lean into in terms of putting your summation together and how you formulate it and what you are thinking about will resonate most with this jury? >> sure. i would tell the jurors it's not a single piece of evidence they should focus on but the totality of the evidence. proof beyond a reasonable doubt means a reasonable doubt, not donald trump's lawyers speculating. and we look at all of the evidence, it defies belief to think that donald trump was not
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directing these payments and did not know what was going on and did not intend to do this in a way that would defeat other kinds of restrictions on making a payment like this. because we have the evidence that he micromanaged and receipt allen weisselberg writing notes. the idea that -- and michael cohen in particular, took a loan against his home to make this payment, the idea that they would've done this without donald trump's approval is ludicrous and light of all the other evidence. so when you look at it together, it is proof beyond any reasonable doubt.>> joyce vance and suzanne craig, thank you for helping us to stay abreast of everything we need to know going into this critical week of the trial. after the break, a blatant quid pro quo. that's how my guest describes a billion-dollar offer donald
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house democrats are launching into an investigation around an apparent billion- dollar deal that donald trump tried to pitch oil executives. the washington post reported that trump hosted a fundraising dinner with oil executives at mar-a-lago last month. this is not just business as usual. this is a really big deal. trump promised to undo dozens of president biden's environmental policies in exchange for a billion-dollar donation to his presidential campaign. and now democrats on the oversight committee want
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answers. democrats sent letters to nine oil executives on monday asking for detailed information on the company's participation in the mar-a-lago meeting. they say the democrats voiced concern that their quest at the dinner may have been a quid pro quo and they have violated campaign finance laws, although experts say his conduct did not cross the threshold of being a legal. it is possible that house democrats could run into hurdles because republicans control the house, but the senate budget committee has subpoena power and is eyeing a probe of their own. joining me now is senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island, who is the chairman of the senate budget committee and vocal climate advocate. thank you so much for joining us for this very important conversation. if the house oversight committee investigation runs into the wall, are you prepared to open an official investigation?
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>> we are certainly looking at that. the problem we have is a little bit like the house. if we issue subpoenas, as the judiciary committee did to pursue the payments made to justice thomas , the republican said they would not enforce the subpoenas and they said they don't comply and we won't let them enforce it. i would expect something like that to happen. so a lot of this work is being prepared for is the day when perhaps the house comes back into democratic hands and subpoenas can be enforced without winning a filibuster. and a lot of preparatory work can go into that. it's not like we are losing a lot of time, but the real game day begins after the november election when we find out whether we can enforce subpoenas against this industry
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or if the department of justice decides to have a look into this because they don't need a vote of the senate to investigate.>> senator, there's a very real concern about donald trump having violated campaign finance laws with blatant quid pro quo behavior. but is what he offered actually illegal? it seems unethical, but does it cross the line of illegality in terms of what we know so far? what has been reported if it's true? >> talking to a former prosecutor and a former prosecutor, what we see here is massive predication. and to look into the context of what was said around it and what paper trail exists or was there a deal leading up to this that he had to confirm publicly
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in order to cement it? what is the context, and you cannot make a case without investigating the context. but this demands to be investigated. it is obvious quid pro quo. you give me $1 billion and i will give you relief from regulations that protect the public health against a product. >> i'm so glad you laid that out. one of my next questions was going to be for people that don't understand why this is such a big deal that it explains for them the fact that this is not normal and arguably extremely inappropriate and the potential harm that it stands to do in exchange for a billion- dollar campaign donation, which is out of bounds. i want to talk about reporting from the washington post that suggests that trump's apparent billion-dollar deal with oil executives that the oil industry is ready to sign
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executive orders for donald trump in the event he returns to the white house. this is a real danger we have oil executives that are drafting executive orders to be rubberstamped by donald trump for the tune of a billion- dollar donation to his campaign. what guardrails exist for the american public to make sure that this is not the space that we devolve into? >> back to predication again. if you look at the proposal, the billion-dollar quid pro quo at same time you see oil executives draft the executive orders they want to accomplish what president trump offered, that adds to the mix. and ideally at least we would
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be one safeguard, but the problem is the republicans are so intertwined with the fossil fuel industry, they would not allow subpoenas to be enforced. it takes an election. because the majority will not allow subpoenas to be enforced or issued. so the third player here is the department of justice. we had a hearing the other day where the woman who led the prosecution team that won the doj victory against big tobacco for the campaign of lies and fraud and deceit said, yes, obviously you should bring a case like that against the fossil fuel industry so you have a quid pro quo, you have the tobacco model. you have the cooked up, preprepared executive orders being groomed for the trump adminstration, and it adds up to something that justifies some due diligence out of the
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doj. >> senator whitehouse, thank you for joining us. i appreciate you for having us. still ahead, joe biden nearly flipped georgia in 2020 but now he is facing a different voting landscape this november. how restrictive new laws can throw a wrench in his campaign. we will be back in just a moment.
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turning to the elections in the u.s. in the state of georgia. the peach state is among the most critical swing states in this year's election. president biden flipped it from red to blue in 2020 thanks in no small part to efforts in order registration and turnout by people like stacey abrams. now a new crop of laws are targeting the gains of those efforts and could drastically impact the turnout in this year's election. brian kemp sign new legislation slated to take effect on july 1st that has alarmed voting rights advocates. the most controversial measure could make it easier to challenge and even remove people from the voter rolls.
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it also allowed tax on voters, overwhelm election administrators, and potentially disenfranchise voters. the executive directors of the aclu of georgia called it a step back for voters rights and voting access. if you are someone who was also alarmed by this news are concerned about voting access in this critical election year, you will want to check out a new documentary called battle ground georgia. its latest installment of the turning point documentary series from trevor noah. in it we break down the complex history of voting across the south and we lay out how georgia came to lead the charge in this pivotal political movement. it premieres tonight at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. here is a clip. >> grassroots organizers have played an enormous role in getting georgia to a rate of
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95% of all age eligible georgians registered to vote. 95%. >> what kind of a letter did you? >> are you registered in ohio? >> i was three years ago.>> i want to make sure you were not taken off. >> i'm inspired of the results that i see people waiting 2 to 3 hours. there's something about people being grounded in a former resistance. we should be out here waiting and there are a lot of things i could be doing, but right now i'm to stand in the space. >> former vice president joe biden has been elected president of the united states. but the people of this nation have spoken. they have delivered us a clear
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victory. >> we were not surprised by the election and we were not surprised by the results. we are not surprised that georgia is at the center of the universe and flipping this country. because a number of us have done the work and build a base that make it possible. >> i am joined by woman who is featured in the documentary. she's a professor of american -- african american studies at emory university and the award- winning author of multiple books including one person, no vote. have voter suppression is destroying our democracy. i want to cut to the chase. we know that the demographics, based off of census bureau data, project that by 2030 georgia will be in majority minority state. can you make the connection very plainly between how that has a very clear correlation to
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many of the voter suppression laws that we are seeing emerge in that state right now? >> absolutely. there is a history of this. whenever you have a massive demographic shift, he sees voter suppression laws put in place and under the guise of protecting democracy from massive rampant voter fraud and useful in targeted language to do so. what happened after the 2020 election, i remember, in 2021, january 5th, we had a runoff election that put in jon ossoff and raphael warnock that flipped the senate. on january 6th we had the insurrection in january 7th you had the republicans in the georgia state legislature talking about having legislation to protect democracy and re- instill faith in our elections. what they did is they crafted a series of measures designed to target the ways that african americans excess the ballot box.
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and to make them more difficult or illegal. >> one thing you talk about is an emphasis on grassroots organizations and their efforts. stacey abrams was among the people leading the charge around voter registration. can you lay out how important it is the work that is done by these grassroots organizations, in terms of combating this attempt to turn back the clock around voting rights in the state of georgia?>> absolutely. it is absolutely essential. what they do is they look at the measures put in place. things like the shutting down of the drop boxes that people used -- that african americans used overwhelmingly in 2020. so the state came back and removed the number of drop boxes in the atlanta metropolitan area and removed like 80 of them.
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and so what you see are people figuring out, okay, how to access the ballot box and help people register to vote. how do we get them there absentee ballots. how do we help them understand what happens when your voter eligibility is challenged by one of these groups. they had like 36,000 voters being challenged in a limited amount of time. how do we get to them to make sure they can answer those challenges. cc these grassroots organizations looking at the ways these laws create these barriers and obstacles and they figure out how to move those obstacles out of the way so american citizens can cast their ballots. >> a lot of times we have conversations, and the end of the discussion is go vote. as we zoom out beyond georgia and look at this nationally, what additional tools beyond voting can the average person
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engage to fight back and push back against these efforts. as we know, they go on in jurisdictions all across the map, not just in georgia. what else besides, beyond voting , can people do? >> part of that is organizing with these groups. sending out postcards to let people know that you should register to vote. if you have some money, give these groups the resources they need. is also putting on elect -- its holding elected officials accountable. contacting them and asking, why are we doing this and this is not acceptable and violates the bedrock foundation of american democracy. so it's holding elected officials accountable, working with these organizations, talking to your friends and family about what's happening
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in the community and what these laws mean and how they are targeted and what are they designed to do, particularly with air cloaked under the guise of protecting democracy. but what they are doing is corroding democracy. engagement is the key. >> think it so much for your time and your work. and you can catch carol into night special documentary. it airs this evening at 9:00 p.m. only on msnbc. we have breaking news now in the world of entertainment. sean daly comes posted to instagram a new video apologizing for assaulting his ex-girlfriend. the incident was in question shows him shoving and dragging and kicking his ex-girlfriend.
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here is what he had to say. >> it so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in your life. sometimes you have to do that. i hit rock bottom. i make no excuses. my behavior on that video is inexcusable. i take full responsibility for my actions and that video. i was disgusted then when i did it and i'm disgusted now. i went and sought out professional help. i had to go into therapy and going to rehab. i had to ask god for his mercy and grace. i am so sorry.
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it's a beautiful... talk to a healthcare provider ...day to fly. wooooo! we are continuing to follow breaking news out of the middle east. search and rescue operations are underway after helicopter carrying president ebrahim raisi suffered a hard landing earlier. today in a remote mountain region. those efforts are being slowed due to heavy fog in the region along with the remoteness of the area.
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the foreign minister and other officials were on board. the status is unknown, but the government has put out a statement. joining us now is josh lederman. tell us what else you know? >> reporter: there are very few details that we have at this point about exactly what is happened. but the iranian president was on his way back from a visit he paid to a region near the border with azerbaijan in the northwest. he was inaugurating a new project and on the way back he suffered what some state media have called a hard landing. we heard other iranian officials describe it as a crash. so it's difficult to know exactly what the statuses. we know at least 40 teams have been dispatched to that area
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and they are trying to find the location where he is. i'm told, according to state media sources, that they've been unable to get there via helicopter. they have not been able to get the kinds of resources on the ground that they want to. so they are not pursuing that by land. in the meantime, a very high level of concern. one official has told reuters that the lives of the president as well as the foreign minister , who was also in that helicopter are at risk. we know in addition to the search and rescue operations, it has shown people praying for the health and safety of their leadership at this point. so certainly the fact that more than five hours have taken place since this apparent hard landing and we have not gotten any concrete news, it is raising the level of concern. as far as what might happen if
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the iranian president were actually dead as a result of this crash -- we don't know that , but people asking that question, we know that according to iranian lockup power would transfer to the deputy vice president and then there would be an election in about 50 days. but it's important to note that while president ebrahim raisi is a key political figure in iran, he's not the top leader. he's not the supreme leader. the ayatollah makes the keys decisions as far as the nuclear program and its relations with the west. so we would not see an immediate change in iran's behavior or positioning vis-@- vis the west if we learned that the president was dead. but it would offend iranian politics and create a period of
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uncertainty. what we do know is a search and rescue operation for the president and his helicopter is underway. >> that was josh lederman in london. we will be right back.
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