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the stand tomorrow. laney davis standing by for a preview. plus, andrew weisman watched the testimony this week and they will join me today. somehow a fictional cannibal was not the most interesting thing he said. biden spokesperson joins me with her reaction. later, my friend and colleague stops by to talk about his new book and how small acts of courage of the engines of dem being democracy. okay. the date was january 12th, 2018. this was the headline in the wall street journal. trump lawyer a raged $130,000 payment for adult-film star's silence. obviously that was a dpraby headline even by 2018 standards. there was a lot going on at the time. the big news that night was actually the sitting president

of the united states saying something completely racist about african countries. but that story from the wall street journal, the one about the hush money for the porn star still broke through that night. >> quite a story today in the wall street journal. and i quote, trump lawyer a ranged $130,000. the payment to stormy daniels was a raged arranged payment. >> this story makes me want to leave my body. >> okay. so, now the story was out there. rachel is leaving her body as we just saw. we knew michael cohen paid the money and clear that he did on trump's pee half. but trump was still playing dumb. -- trump's behalf, but trump was still playing dumb. but trump was still playing dumb.

[ inaudible question ] [ inaudible question ] >> if you could not hear it. that was on air force one. michael is my attorney, you will have to ask michael. well, that was april 5th, 2018, four days later, april 9th, the fbi executed a search warrant on michael cohen's home and office. we spoke to trump on the day of the searches. trump told them to quote stay strong and april 21st, trump publicly encouraged him not to flip in a series of tweets. most people will nip if the government lets them out of trial even if it means lying or making up stories so i don't see michael did not do that. that did not age too well looking at tomorrow.

by august cohen pled guilty, as part of the plea agreement he outlined the entire scheme and implicated his former boss. in 2019 he revealed the details of the scream to congress and the country. >> mr. trump directed me to use my own personal funds from a home equity line of credit to avoid any money being traced back to him. that could negatively impact his campaign. i am going to jail in part because of my decision to help mr. trump hide that payment from the american people before they voted a few days later. the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. >> as you just heard him say, michael cohen went on to serve time in federal prison for the same scheme he is standing

trial for, the same scheme. tomorrow, michael cohen will tell his story on the witness stand with trump sitting a few feet away. this time he will do it after a parade of witnesses and documents backed up his story and laid the groundwork for what he is going to say. just to remind you. hope hicks says it would not be in his nature to pay him on his own. he testified a meeting. and six years after we read the story in the wall street journal. it is happening. the wheels of justice do turn. the one

>> it is great to see you, thank you for taking the time. >> thank you for that testimony and are remembering the night before the testimony it is relevant to what he is going to face tomorrow. >> that is such a good lead let's start by a personal note. how is there a feeling about testifying tomorrow? >> he is confident he is telling the truth. when you have the truth and you don't worry about telling the truth it gives you confidence no matter what the attack is. he is confident he has the facts and they are fully coberated by others. so, all he is going to be doing no matter what the attack is, is to say something fully coberated by other people's testimony including friends of mr. trump, documents, text messages, emails. >> he is a pretty combative. i don't think he would mind being called combative. we have seen it in the courtroom, seen it on twitter and other things.

what tone should we anticipate from him tomorrow? >> i do remind people when he testified on february 27th, 2019, he was not in front of a courtroom with a judge there to protect him from unfair attacks. he walked into a hearing, live, national, international television. under oath. on the wall behind mr. jordan the ranking member with reverend cummings the committee chairman. there was a sign. "liar, liar, pants on fire" that was the beginning of the vicious attacks including by mark meadows the future chief of staff what did michael do? i must say i helped him, keep his voice down. tell the truth and most importantly, jen, own that he lied and did evil deeds as he said, for donald trump for 10 years.

he said when he opened his testimony, i have no excuses. i am ashamed. i am here to tell the truth. i think that is what we will see. >> i just want to pause on that for a second. we have seen his combative nature. he has been reprimanded by the judge, even, for some of the things he did on tiktok and outspoken. that is not what you expect tomorrow? >> that is not what i expect. i remember virtually certain because he knows he acted out of passion, out of reaction to what he was being accused of in the courtroom. he will not be doing anymore twitters and he will be the michael cohen that you saw in the testimony. we talked reportedly, recently he will be telling the truth and telling the truth calmly no matter what they say because he knows everything that he has that is corroborated. >> we anyhow a lot already. we learned details from david

pecker, hope hicks and others. do you expect we will learn new things during the testimony tomorrow? >> there may be some things. remember, i was in the room with the -- last two or three years and i know the cooberation backing up michael is not what people recognize but i want to remind you of something else. this is not just manhattan da brag who he attacks and his supporters attack the case. it was donald trump's federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york who wrote a public memo. they wrote, donald trump directed, the word is directed to michael cohen. he was not only directing him to make the payments to mrs. daniels but he faced a case that his own prosecutors said

impaired democracy. not hush money for sex. his prosecutors in the public memo said this case is about buying people not to tell the american people before they vote for him to be silence. they are in the face of his own prosecutors and what they said when they charged michael co -- cohen. she sat right outside of his office. she set up the meeting between trump and co hen. we expect that you will learn about that tomorrow? >> the details of michael's reaction to a sitting president of the united states in the oval office writing a check from his personal checking account that by the way we put

on tv on february 27th. i thought it would be the end of the hearing, so shocking, a big yawn by the republicans, a sitting president writing a check to implement a crime that someone is about to go to jail for. i am imagining imagine democratic president writing a hush money check. we are going to learn details if michael is able to put some color behind the sensation when he went to see the president of the united states and the word was reimburse, giuliani said it is reimbursement, trump knew there were no legal services, so, that may be the shocking detail that michael can provide. >> that is an interesting one. do you not bill legal fees like this, i think you know this well. in part of preparing for testimony like this is preparing for what people are going to attack on you. of course, for michael cohen there is a question that he committed perjury because he

denied under oath he committed tax evasion when he pled. he address today to some degree. i asked him about this. how will he handle this tomorrow? >> let me say it plainly. i was there when he was forced to plead guilty on a friday night. you have until monday morning or we will not only indict you but your wife for tax fraud. the notebook he kept and a bank account in his building is not criminal tax fraud. he knew at the time he was being overcharged. he was a victim at that point in time. mr. trump was not being charged and then when we finally had a chance to say he was coerced into doing that he did so and taking the penalty. admitting to a crime he said i lied a lie. now it is time to clear the air. now he told the trowght. >> in the 20 seconds left, left -- he told the truth.

in the 20 seconds left, you thought he would go to jail. are you confident? >> i don't want to second guess a jury. i think there is evidence to convict and he can not pardon himself, he can be incarcerating. at the time i might have been angrier. i am now more rely ant on trusting the jury system. i would not favor of putting him in jail but accountable. he can not pardon himself no matter what. >> because of the state law here >> it is a state crime he can not pardon himself for a state crime >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> excellent preview tomorrow as a lot of people will be watching. thank you for joining me. >> we will take a look into stormy daniels testimony. and we watched it happen. we are back after this it happ we are back after this here, and get six months of disney bundle on them! (vo) stream with six months of disney bundle on us.

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. the judge's ruling three hour testimony, the defense team went to extensive lethes to discredit daniels. at a number of points it should be the gross shaming that should be behind us. they were hoping for a perry mason moment it was clear they did not get the answers they were looking for. drilling her about tray asked her, you have a lot of experience about making a phony story about sex being real, right? daniels said that is not how i would put it. the sex in the films it is real. just like what happened to me in that room. and a dig at trump she pointed out if that story was untrue i would of written it to be a lot better. of course, the defense was hellbent on denying the affair they argue that the details of the affair were not relevant to the case. that was the basis of not one but two requests of a mistrial

this week. both rejected by the judge. claiming that the affair did not happen gives them the right to coberate the corroborate the story. they are joining me now, happy mother's day to you, let me start by saying. >> thank you. absolutely. so, andrew, i mean, trump's defense, spent three hours, we all watched, trying to discredit daniels, far longer than their questions of pecker, hope hicks, it seems clear they mate want to use the scope of the arguments to use during the arguing for a mistrial. how concerned are you about that possibility? or their ability to make that argument? >> reporter: not concerned at all >> good. >> reporter: i think the first step is, you know, they only have to worry about that if there is a conviction.

one of the things that your intro gets to is what is happening on the defense side here. direct testimony, hope hicks, direct testimony as someone close from the president about words coming out of his mouth to her about the scheme. those are the witnesses that needed to be crossed. those are the witnesses that you have to come up to something to say to the jury about why they got it wrong. they misremembered or they are lying. yet, the person who was subjected to this cross- examination was stormy daniels. and, you know, frankly, her testimony if you believe it or not it is not relevant. we know donald trump would want to surpress stop information

about like what the doorman said about him, he has ail legitimate child. but it was under this catch and kill agreement. it was really odd to see this sort of hammer and tongue cross- examination. it was an odd choice to go after her and not the witnesses who are actual he damaging. >> you brought my temperature down, sometimes you bring it up, i appreciate that. let me ask you, the defense seems to be fixated on denying the alleged affair. after her, after her, after her, was it necessary? the right strategy? what is your take on that? >> reporter: it really felt so unnecessary to andrew's point. the cross is trying to argue that essentially being a porn star is the same as being a liar with the quote that you mentioned. you know, you make up phony stories about sex that is what you do for a living you are

just a liar because you are a porn star. that failed. they argued being a porn star meant she was a prostitute or she would just be open for business and could never feel uncomfortable by any unwanted advances. that also failed. and i think alienated five women on the jury. the only thing that she was some-what effective is that she was motivated by money to sell her story. to that i say so what? i still believe that the encounter happened and i also believe that she wanted to make money from it. a guy who is the song to his reality show is "for the love of money" is he going to ask a jury to think she is a liar because she had a reality show and wanted to make money from it? he can not say she is talking candles don't believe her when

he is out there selling. >> i don't think they scored points of anything. i really do think they alienated jurors >> i like how you phrased that. michael cohen, one of the state's last two witnesses, taking the stand tomorrow. a lot of hemming hemming hemming and hawing about it. what are you worried about? >> cross-examination. what he expects happens, i got the sense more of what he hopes happens then we will be fine. he needs to maintain his cool. he needs to not be thin skinned. he does have some areas that he really does have to worry about in terms of answering questions. you mentioned one that is, you know, his having lied.

he lied to a federal judge pleading guilty and he has to own that. that is not a crime. not something he did because of trump. that was something he chose to do. he is going to have to answer why he tape recorded some conversations but not other conversations and you know, that is an effective line of cross-examination. he just needs to be frankly like stormy daniels that is smart, careful, and unflappable. as we observed she got better on cross-examination. humanized. you saw just how effective she was but she was unflappable. that is not a characteristic that people associate with michael cohen. >> not typically. thank you, and thank you. people see you on tv all of the time. they don't see all of the questions you have to us on greenroom and on text and phones when we are trying to explain it. thank you, we will be watching

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the morning after biden's visit. biden's visit dominated local front pages, even as trump's trial dominated headlines. for all of the concern trump's trial blocking out the sun t. is history, it never happened before, we should talk about it. but biden campaign those covers of the papers they are reaching the voters he meades to reach. a senior spokesperson for the biden harris campaign. withy have been through many, many, many campaigns together >> yes, we have >> great to see you. they are luck tow have you on board on the team. let me start there. i always get asked this question about how the biden campaign can breakthrough, what they should be doing differently to breakthrough. explain to us what the strategy is and how the biden team is reaching the voters they need to reach to get them out. >> first of all, happy mother's day, great to be with you today. i think you laid it out perfectly in peter's story, ultimately contrast, joe biden

this week was in racine going to the place in 2017 where trump said we will create thousands of jobs, jobs, he called it the eighth wonder of the world, they never materialized. joe biden takes us to the same place. building a huge ai facility where thousands, he is delivering on his promises, trump is not. he is filled with empty promises. you showed all of the headlines, as much as you i and would love to believe every single american and voter is tuning into cnn, msnbc, cable news every day, they are not. the local headlines matter. so, our campaign has been focused on sending president biden out to these battleground states, making that direct contrast, talking directly to voters, pressing the flesh where trump is in the courtroom. by the way, one day off there week. he went to a conference to make more money >> $10,000 and you can get a piece of his suit and his tie. the other question that i get

often asked about is there is so much to go after trump on. this is like when people are out there that support joe biden or don't like trump or both. so, just for example. at his new jersey rally he appeared to paint a serial killer he mixed up carter and connors, and then, joe biden was at a private fundraiser where he talked about trump being unhinged and snapped at him after the election. the question is, there is a lot. there are the trials, there is the economy, there are abortion rights. what should people be talking about? what is the thing that in the biden campaign people are like please keep saying this? >> i want to give a shout out to our communication team on biden campaign. we have a rapid response team making sure every time trump lies or misspeaks on the stump that he is being called out for it. well is, that is held accountable.

that is one thing, but secondly we have to look at it under the umbrella, overarching theme of the campaign, what is the big difference between joe biden, the way he would serve a second term and trump. that is the fact that trump is focused on, you know, revenge on his political enemies, selfishness. fighting for the american people but he has a trokd prove that. he talked about what he will do in the second term, lowering the drug prices, creating jobs, building on the economic legislation that he passed. the four bills, by the way, we should not discount those. those are big pieces of legislation that will continue to be implemented in a second term. trump comes in he will try to undo all of that work and try to undo the manufacturing jobs that this legislation will continue to create. you sort of have to look at it with the umbrella, joe biden is fighting for the american people, if you are a democrat,

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. from the unusual news you may of missed the latest chapter in the mega effort. we love talking about stories that are undercover this week. speaker mike johnson and denying republicans held a press conference on the capitol steps. introducing a bill at that press conference that criminalizes something that is already illegal. noncitizens voting in federal elections. notable than some unnecessary legislation and the press conference with it. is the narrative they are trying to push. >> unprecedented and clear and present danger to the integrity of our election system. that is the threat of noncitizens and illegal aliens >> the democrats desired to turn them into voter that is what the open boarder is about.

>> wide open border and destruction for and effort to verify the citizenship of who votes in our elections. these things are all combined an effort to end our republican form of government. >> every time steven miller shows up it will be crazy. a lot of conspiracy brain to unpack there. first, the speaker of the house and republicans are falsely claiming that millions of noncitizens illegally vote. republican election conspiracies are nothing new. what makes those remarks from johnson even more outrageous is the attempt to tie it to right wing conspiracies tie them together with a bow. false claim of mass election fraud and racist and frankly dumb replacement theory. we talked about this before. the once fringe but now mainstream that democrats and elites are purposefully bringing in migrants from third world countries to dilute

political power of real americans, real americans. according to johnson and his colleagues, biden opened the border to as many migrants as possible to activate them as fraudulent democrat votes come november. that is crazy. that theory is not only false and racist and dangerous and insane but it crumbles under the slightest weight of the most basic questions. [ inaudible question ] the most basic questions. [ inaudible question ] . >> we all know that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections t. is not something that is provable. we don't have that number. >> we know intuitivity. it is not easily provable. that is not like saying i don't know it for a fact. mike johnson wants to trust his vibe, basically what he is talking about is not just a thing. then, don't take it from me. that is according to the center

that non-american voter is extremely rare. noncitizens don't illegally vote in detectable numbers, this one is rich, my favorite. even according to the hard rate heritage foundation, according to their data base less than 100 cases voting between 2002 and 2023. they are the home of the nearly 1,000 page project 2025 plan on their website. less than 100 cases in a period where literally hundreds of millions of votes were cast. it is not a thing that happens at any significant level? why would it? noncitizens can not vote. it is a crime. at best, this pushes is a solution looking for a problem. but, far more alarming it is to put in the seeds of doubt. we will not take our eye off of it. we will keep talking about it.

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. i want to take you back to may 30th, 2020, in the middle of a pandemic, and five days earlier george floyd was murdered by a police officer outside of a convenient store. my colleague ali veleshi was there, when he got this he was briefed and asked if he brought a bullet proof vest and a gas mask. he said it never occurred to me before that night that i would need to don a bullet proof vest in my own country. yet here i was in minneapolis doing exactly that, i wore the vest under my shirt and carried the mask at the ready. hours later this happened >> nobody was doing anything. they pulled in. they opened fire. they are aiming their fire now. they are working towards us. they are working towards news

get back, get back, you are hit, step back. >> protesters moving closer and the police continue to fire. >> it sounds like they are daring them? >> all right, guys, i got hit, i got hit, hold on. >> the producers they work with were in the control room that night saying it was a remarkable moment. a member of law enforcement that shot ali velshi shot him with a rubber bullet. that was the moment i became a saturday in the deepest sense of the world. that is how invested in this place i truly meade to be. one day i will find out who shot me and when i do i'll go and thank them because what they did is open my eyes, they woke me up, they changed my entire outlook on this. that rubber bullet said you are in this fight, not watching, in it. if you want to be or not?

my guest ali velshi. i was reading on the train yesterday, small acts of courage and the fight for democracy. so, there is so much in this book. i want to start, you are that time you were in minneapolis during the george floyd protest was informative for you. the quote, the moment you got shot with a rubber bullet. you write, leaving minneapolis i found myself not only in an entirely new place in my life but also on an entirely new journey in my career. that is a profound statement. what happened after that led to this book? >> reporter: it was 2020. we had a few years of seeing what the attacks on citizenship looked like in this country from donald trump. but when you grow up with a certain degree of privilege, compared to the rest of my family i did. i grew up in a place things were free and equal for everyone in canada. my family grew up under by virtue of the color of their skin they did not have rights. because i didn't i treat

journalism even to that dpai as something in which we are report something bearing witness and then holding power to account as we should. and in this moment you realize you are in it. you are as response of a saturday as everyone else to push back on those things that threaten your democracy. i did not choose to end up being part of the story that night. but i became part of the story. subsequent to that you had trump carrying on about how they should be targeting journalists and silencing journalists made up a tale about it and made me realize as a journalist i am not exempt from participating in citizenship and protecting the democracy he started to erode and continues to try to do so >> an important point. so many people, both you i and know, struggle with a version of this in this moment in covering trump and threats to democracy, talk about it so much on your show. i said it earlier, each chapter could be a movie of your book.

great-grandfather, study under gandhi when he was 7. you talked about how gandhi would take them out on tracks. since your grandpa was the youngest he would hoist him on his shoulder. you talk about your family, the profound effect the experience had on him and the life he lived to tell. talk to me a little bit about your family history and how it impacted who you are today and kind of how you view the world? >> reporter: i would not of thought it as relevant as it ended up being. part of that is that when gandhi, a friend associate of my great-grandfather, he said he was starting this comune. people don't have the courage. he built this area, no hot water, no meat, you slept on the floor, you had one blanket to sleep on, one on top of you, the point was to train people

to engage into civil disobedience and my grandfather, my youngest student, he did not want it to happen. my great-grandfather was a businessman. he was not interested in this rabble rouser. we are muslim, you are hindu, he said i will learn your religion to teach it to him. but, gandhi in learning islam red jewish scriptures and so he was a pluralist and my grandfather did, they understood that is what life is about. understanding people's differences. my entire family is devoted to the idea that people should not be judged by their virtue of their religion and skin color. that is what brought me to that, why this moment we were in was important >> this their is so much. one of the moments, my favorite

because i love love, when you talked about your wife and you write out of, but the single biggest catalyst in your evolution as a journalist was had nothing to do with world affairs it was my wife, lori who i met when she appeared as a guest on my show. she would come on to share her expertise. before i met her i was not an ambitious guy. without her i would of made a descent living having a good time. she said to me, you can do more than that. most importantly she was the one who made me believe it. i just thought it was beautiful and may everyone have someone that loves them so much as a partner. talk to me a little bit about your world travels and covering for so many years different aspects of journalism, how is having a supportive partner impacted your life? >> you had a similar experience

in your life, right, you have to cancel things at the last minute, bail on things that were are important. you can not design a life without important things in it because you might have to go to work. it is a really, really big matter. on this mother's day it is important to remember, all of those people who allow all of us, men or women, to work hard and do our jobs when sometimes that comes at a cost to your family. it is, it is a remarkable thing. if your family does not support you in the work that we do you can't do it. you can tonight do it. this depends on my family, my wife trusting the fact that i know how to do what i know how to do and take care of myself and my priority to come home to my family. my wife, my parents, my kids. i want to hold power to account but that is not a single person's job, not just my job, my family and amazing staff that support us to go out and

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my book "say more" came on out on tuesday. so many chats i had, there is one person that keeps coming up. >> what i learned from this i thought first of all, what would my mother think, what would my mother think when she sees these emails. she will not be happy with me. >> as my mother would say, she is in the book a lot. she say therapist and funny, she is from queens, new york. yeah, queens. >> by the way mother as therapist is the secret weapon. [ laughter ] >> i wrote about my mom a lot in the book and the lessons. growing up with a mother as a therapist i got a master class in the value of listening to people. first teacher when it comes to communicating with people you don't always agree with like my uncle bob as a fox-news loving conservative. we loved him a lot, though. one of the important lessons that i share side what i called and told her i was not getting my dream job. i felt let down by people i

previously looked up to. i told her i worried traveling with them was going to be awkward. she did not let me well, it takes two people to make things awkward, if you hold your head high it won't be. hold your head high. simply too many things i learned from my mother to ever share in a single book. she has to write her own book. this mother's day a special shout out to the person with the greatest impact in helping me learn the greatest impact in helping me learn me to learn to say more. happy mother's day, mom. i also want to wish a happy mother's day to my amazing mother-in-law. that does it for me today, but stay right where you fare because there is much more news coming up on m. on this new hour of amen, how far will trump go for cash? big oil ceos.