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she did note not let me wallow in my anxieties. it takes two people to make things awkward, if you hold your head high, it will not be. there are too many things i have learned from my mother to ever be able to share. this mother's day, i want to give a shout out to the person who has given me the greatest impact. happy mother's day, mom. i want to wish an amazing mother's day to my mother-in- law. that does it for me today. stay where you are, there is much more news coming up on msnbc. ahead this hour, jen psaki will stay with me to talk about some of the points made by donald trump. and like you just heard, her new book.
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look at these headlines. we will get a new reaction to what she said. a very good day to all of you from headquarters here in new york. happy mother's day. we began in manhattan where the most explosive testimony yet will take place in the trump trial. meanwhile this weekend, fiery words from trump as he campaigns in new jersey. with his hush money trial, calling it a scam. he trimmed -- slammed president biden and continues with claims of election fraud. >> this is all because crooked
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joe biden does not know what he is doing. joe is weak and he is only good at cheating on elections. it's not him, he's not doing it. very good at cheating on elections. >> judge merchan threatened jail time if he violated his gag order. reporters noticed that half the crowd had left midway through the 90 minute speech. our team of reporters and analysts are root covering all of these stories. we begin with trump on the campaign trail. >> trump is preparing for a face-off against mike and: telling a crowd that he
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believes he can win the garden state which has not gone red since 1988. he dropped some hints about mistakes. from the courthouse, to the shore. former president trump forming a rally in new jersey on saturday. >> we are going to change the electoral map. we are going to win the state of new jersey. >> a surprise speaker. >> who will we send out of the white house in november? >> trump is dropping hints. get ready for something. he is incredible. >> the rally from the hush money trial that picks up again tomorrow will go to the prosecution's most important
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witness. he paid $130,000 to protect his campaign. his testimony could directly tie the former president to the scheme and the crime of falsifying business records. he has pled not guilty. once among the most loyal protectors. now a constant attractor. the judge asking him to refrain from discussing the case or the former president. his defense team has been laying the groundwork for a tough cross examination. the prosecution says they have one more witness and could rest
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their case by the end of the week. then the big question remains, will former president trump himself take the stand in his defense? >> we will see on that. >> welcome to you both, thank you for joining me on this mother's day holiday. a crucial week ahead for the prosecution. where did the prosecution leave the jury before they head into the war room tomorrow? >> this past week was an absolute roller coaster. we have heard eight hours of testimony from stormy daniels and we heard from many different records custodians who were in the inner circle of the trump organization and administration. the jurors are entering tomorrow exhausted from the week that they just had.
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and also, they know that the end is near. the next witnesses are going to be the cleanup and i think if this past week was a roller coaster, then this week we will be hearing from michael cohen will be even more so. >> joyce, the graphic testimony about what happened in the nevada hotel room, it was very gripping for the jury, how critical was it? were the attempts to poke a hole in her story successful? >> stormy daniels testimony was important because it helped the jury understand the motivation of the crime that the prosecution has charged. keeping that story told by that particular person out of the public domain in advance of the 2016 election. from that perspective, it was
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incredibly effective testimony because daniels is a good storyteller and she told a credible story. whether the jury believes her or not is less important than understanding that this is why donald trump and michael cohen and others jump through hoops that they did to prevent her from telling you before the election. >> from what you saw in court, how did he get through it all? we know that the judge was concerned about his cursing during the testimony. >> absolutely. this week we saw a different trump than we have seen previously in this trial. we have been saying that he was more subdued. last week, we saw more of what we have seen before. the judge pulled his lawyers aside and instructed them to talk to their client. saying that he will not accept that in his courtroom. that is a good preview of what we could see.
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the judge was trying to get in front of what could happen this week when michael takes the stand. >> despite all of the testimony about hotel rooms and celebrity payoffs, this is a documents case. where the prosecution ended the week. has the prosecution shown the jury how the checks and invoices are all central to the 34 felony cases against donald trump? >> yes. i break it down a little bit differently and say that it has met its burden. the judge will have no problem convicting on the misdemeanor counts. everyone involved knew what they were doing and intended to do it. this is a separate issue. showing that it was all done for an improper purpose.
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his testimony will weave together the threads from other witnesses. in 2015 he said that trump acknowledged to her how important that the story was coming out then instead of 2016 in advance of the election. he will be the witness that will show that trump knew he was doing this and intended to do it to prevent the story from coming out in advance of the election. >> michael cohen has teased his upcoming testimony before the judge asked him to refrain from publicly discussing the case, let's take a look at that. >> i'm looking forward to it. you cannot be finished with something unless you started. >> kate, he already spent a year in prison and has admitted to lying under oath in the past. should the prosecution be concerned that he might be unpredictable on the stand?
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>> i think they acknowledge that. i think back to when he testified last year in the civil fraud trial that one of the prosecutors was standing next to me getting into court and then stayed through his testimony. that was a dress rehearsal for what we will see this week. at that point, they likely saw what could set him off during his testimony. things he can work to improve on coming up and he has been meeting with them constantly to try and prepare his testimony. any unpredictability is going to be to get in front of the corporation. >> he is going to be on the stand for a few days at least, how do you expect the
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prosecution and defense to handle his testimony? >> if you are the prosecution, you give him two pieces of advice, only tell the truth. do not let the defense push your buttons on cross examination. they want to call you a bad person. continue to tell the truth and do not let them agitate you or get angry. that is the strategy that we will see. the prosecution will try and get the truth out and put it into the record. the defense will do everything they can to poke holes in that story. part of their strategy will be to make him angry or excited so that he comes off as less than credible. >> let's step back and look at the past 15 days of the trial. starting with david pecker. the publisher paid to stop damaging stories about candidate trump from becoming
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public. then trump's former assistant. then the former banker that set up the account to enable the hush money payment. then keith davidson who testified he was the former lawyer that negotiated the payments. each book ended by custodial witnesses. one his testimony stood out. trump's former executive assistant in the white house. now we wait for michael cohen and one other witness. joyce, has the prosecution constructed its case in a way where it is hard not to find trump guilty? >> well, look, it will come down to to michael cohen and if the jury believes that they have proved his state of mind. for each of the 34 counts, they
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consist of conduct and state of mind. in a white-collar case like this, this is always the question. most defendants do not tally witness, oh, i did this with the intent to commit a crime. it has to be pieced together from the circumstantial evidence. michael cohen is as close to direct testimony as the prosecution will get here. this is why we have been waiting with anticipation for this testimony to see how he holds up on the witness stand. >> and then you have the prosecution will rest its case by the end of the week? what happens after that? the defense will put on their own witnesses and who might that be? donald trump could be one. wiser heads have suggested, no way. >> right, we do not know what the defense will pull forward, with a plan to call as witnesses. we know through some of the motions practice before that they wanted to call the
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elections a law expert. the judge is really bringing that in. if they go forward with calling this person, they cannot go into the level of detail they want to with him. they have to stick to the broad facts. it is unknown what they are going to do. it is a huge question if he is going to testify. once the prosecution rest which could happen at the end of this week, we will certainly hear more about what the defense plans to do as part of the case. >> okay, it is always a pleasure to have you on my show. thank you so much. >> the national enquirer -- joins me in the next hour and if michael cohen will tell us something that we don't know about the case. the battle waged in the
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name the redline for aid to israel. >> the president has been clear for some time that we could not support a marriage or military operation in rafah. we shared the israeli sentiments that hamas be demilitarized. we continue to support that, there is a better way of achieving that and going headlong into rafah. >> our team of reporters is covering the developments for us. welcome to you, what is happening on the ground right now? >> intense fighting, airstrikes in the north and south, people are fleeing. the israeli military has to fight hamas in areas that they have previously cleared. this is happening against the backdrop of these statements by
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antony blinken. take a look. >> pannek scenes in southern gaza with israel continuing to give evacuation orders. palestinians fleeing and carrying their few belongings. telling residents to get out of the combat zone. fears mount that the long anticipated offensive in southern gaza is imminent. the impending assault leading to division with the u.s. president biden is saying that the u.s. will withhold arms shipments if israel invades rafah. >> we have another four to go in rough and that is why we want to get into rocco.
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>> we are leaving for the unknown. there are no safe areas at all. >> the idf has advised civilians to go to coastal areas. it is hot and there is no waterworld electricity. airstrikes have intensified in the last day and a half. apart from a few trucks carrying fuel, no supplies have made it in since monday. this warehouse sits empty. one of the few functioning hospitals with only 36 hours of fuel left for the displaced, bereaved, and the families of hostages, the next chapter could be the hardest one yet. >> meanwhile we are hearing in egypt that there is a piece
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treating that has been active for decades. joining the genocide petition in the international court of justice. alex, back to you. >> okay, thank you for that update as well. what have you been hearing on the hill as israel is ramping up for the invasion of rafah? >> we received a long-awaited report from secretary of state, antony blinken. affirming that israel has broken some vows when it comes to humanitarian aid, the way they have conducted the war, critical of israel, they will receive weapons, still receive offensive and defensive weapons from the united states, this has angered democrats especially lawmakers here on capitol hill for the antiwar,
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generally, they have stepped up the criticism of israel in recent months. outlining what many women and children are facing as israel plans to invade raw file. republicans that are critical of the biden administration hinting that there could be a point in time where they review or hold certain weapons that we saw happen last week. here is some of the back-and- forth that we are seeing this morning in the words of senator lindsey graham and bernie sanders. >> israel has broken international law. it has broken american law and in my view, israel should not be receiving another nickel in military aid. >> what senator sanders said, not another nickel of military aid is the most dangerous,
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irresponsible, statement in the history of the u.s. relationship. this is not vietnam. israel is in a fight for their lives. to abandon them under these circumstances would be outrageous, dangerous, and republicans are going to fight back against bernie sanders. >> at the same time, in the interview, he said that hamas needs to be eradicated, israel is facing difficult circumstances with how it can operate in raw file. and also at the same time, there are some democrats, especially jewish lawmakers in the house, other democrats in the senate, that are supportive of israel continuing to receive weapons. the administration has a tight rope to walk here. >> you took the words out of my mouth. thank you so much.
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new comments from president biden saying that republicans are in disarray. nikki haley voters are welcome in his campaign. outperforming expectations despite dropping out of the race two months ago. joining me is jen psaki. the book is out now, congrats, this is why i did my makeup to conceal the bags under my eyes. president biden said in this campaign event that the threat that trump poses to democracy is greater than what you posed in the first term, when you lost, something snapped in him. he claims that world leaders
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grab his arm and they are worried about their own democracies if donald trump wins. how does he hone that message of democracy and make sure that people are not tuning it out, how does he make it personal to every american out there? >> he has to talk about the specifics. when we talk about a threat to democracy, it means what is in the project 2025 plan, that is online on the heritage website. taking over a branch of government and making the rule of law work for u.s. president, that is not how it is supposed to work. that means the president will not be immune from crimes. the president wants that. you have to be specific. that means your voice and vote might not be valued in the same way. making it more difficult to
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express that. i expect and hope that we will see the campaign do more and more of that. >> we have new reporting that biden will have a large fundraiser next week with former president obama. they are trying to boost fundraising numbers and use social media to engage voters. how important is this fundraising and can their campaign dollars go further than trump when he is spending his donations on legal bills. >> that is a huge cash advantage. it will narrow as things get closer. they know that in order to pay for the 50 offices in wisconsin, they have been opening them all across the country. paying for digital ads. they need to keep fundraising. this is an opportunity for them to get a big bang out of one or
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two events. it is all about getting this message out and turning the vote out, that is how they can combat some of the difficulty that they have because of what is happening in the world, their opponent is on trial and that is taking up a lot of the media oxygen right now. >> time to get to the book. you wrote about your first conversation with president biden and the first lady, how you can work best with them, the first lady said that we've been through a lot and we ask that you always be honest with us, always tell us what is coming. how important is it to be honest with the person occupying the oval office. how does it concern you, trump is hiring yes-men and people that will let him stay in his own bubble. that quote is from a chapter called having tough conversations with your family,
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and joe biden. >> no doubt about it. part of what i learned is how to provide feedback. it's not easy. it took me sometime to do it. every president or ceo or prominent person requires a different approach to that. they need honest advice, that is part of it. the challenge is what he is looking to do is not surround himself with people that will provide that kind of advice. he surrounds himself with sycophants and accolades. many have warned about this. to go back to your first question, when he warns about the threat of a second term and how this could be at risk, even if he did not like the people
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in the first administration, some of them stood up to him and told him that the things he was doing were not right or moral or good for the country. >> this book is called say more. it is not about talking louder or using more words, there is a story about explaining your boundaries. the day of your daughter's kindergarten open house coincided with one of the worst days in the biden white house. on this mother's day, you managed to be the ultimate working mom. tell us how you managed that. >> first and foremost, it was the worst day that i was in the biden white house, we lost men and women serving our country. it was the day of my daughter's kindergarten open house and i was mindful of the fact that even it is the terrible day for
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the country, it was an important day for her. i wanted to be there and be present for her. i snuck out of the white house. it was not something that i needed to announce to everybody. i was able to be there for her open house, i came back just in time to be a part of the remarks review and do my own briefing. it does not take away the significance of that day and it is a reminder to me of the difficulty that a lot of people face being president. >> absolutely, my kids have watched me and they know, call mom during the commercial break. >> happy mother's day to you. >> thank you so much. we appreciate you and the book as well. this is a page turner. you can watch jen sundays at
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joe biden is telling the israelis, we will be partners with you. the pace of civilian casualties
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is in the long run going to make hamas stronger. we have no obligation to write a blank check of military support to any of our allies. we have a right as a sovereign nation with our own independent security concerns to make sure that when we are partnering with an ally, that it is with a winning strategy. >> democratic lawmakers with mixed reactions to the bold decision to withhold a shipment of weapons to israel. some democrats are praising the move. 26 house democrats are writing the white house expressing concerns that it is sending the wrong message to hamas. new today, israel expanded the evacuation order after 300,000 people fled this week. the death toll now is topping
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35,000. joining me now, congresswoman sydney kamlager-dove. look, i want to get your reaction to a couple of things. public disputes with israel and bold in hamas. do you agree with that? >> i think that presidents have sticks and carrots in the diplomacy toolkit. this decision is not unprecedented. presidents reagan and eisenhower would pause weapons shipments to encourage a course correction. >> what about if a full-scale invasion happens, what can that mean for the already cease-fire
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talks? >> well, i think the full scary invasion is a moral and a strategic mistake. there are 1 million people there with nowhere to go. two entry points have already been blocked. humanitarian aid is now trickling in. egypt who has been at the cease- fire negotiating table from the beginning has said that invading rafah is a redline for them. this invasion would be killing israelis eventually. there is no implementable plan on what the school -- full- scale invasion would look like. and what the strategy would look like. i do think that this is not a wise decision for netanyahu to make. >> let me get your thoughts on the pro-palestinian protest that have erupted across college campuses. a significant portion of those arrested were not students.
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including people taken into custody on the university of pennsylvania on thursday. what do you think about outside agitators who are turning up the heat and tarnishing the perception of student demands? >> i have been talking to the campuses that i represent and have learned that most of the protesters were not students. i certainly think that young people have a right to protest peacefully on their campuses. not outside agitators coming in and weapon icing the campus and movement. i think that outside law enforcement should be brought in as a last resort. this is happening as commencement are happening. i know young people who are homeless and have been sleeping in their car to make sure they could get through college and graduate. these are momentous times for
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so many folks and they deserve to have their moment. >> they do. let's move to the 2024 presidential race. donald trump is leading biden by two points. and is ahead by four points among likely voters. where do you see the campaign now six months from election day? >> i see the administration campaign i strong. i hope they continue to talk about the economy. that is the thing that my constituents talk to me about. they are not interested in trump who is in court fighting off gag orders and getting find and a whole bunch of proclivities that are too much information for me. what biden is going to continue to talk about is the $1.7 trillion that is going to be infused in communities across the country as a result of these pieces of legislation that was passed into law last term. >> what about this week?
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we saw a split screen of these two presidential candidates. i will still pose this question because you have president biden giving a speech on the holocaust remembrance day. have donald trump sitting in a courtroom visibly uncomfortable while stormie daniel was going over the alleged encounter. should biden be doing more to capitalize on the image of trump in court? >> i don't think so. biden has a great record that he can run on. he will continue to show the receipts that he has brought to the american people. we have a surging economy. he should be talking about that and why he is going to continue to do and what his plan is for
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the future. trump, we don't need to talk about him, gag order, intimidating witnesses, all of this about his sexual proclivities. we learned that he was trying to use his son as a pond to be a delegate for the convention. trump is doing just fine on his own reminding people that he should never be in the oval office again. >> okay. sydney kamlager-dove, thank you so much, it's great to see you again. >> happy mother's day. >> what is obvious about donald trump is not obvious to everyone else, we will get a reaction to that. action to tha
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offensive. >> he is speaking the truth. the only thing that joe biden the wrong is that he became unhinged after 2020. we all saw it before 2020 as well. this is joe biden speaking the truth to the american people. joe biden is running to protect democracy. you cannot give equity to those two sides. with joe biden, calling a spade a spade. he is unhinged and dangerous and we should hear more of that. >> the president's former daughter-in-law was asked about if trump will not accept the election results. >> he does except election results even despite the fact it was a questionable election in 2020 because joe biden is
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unfortunately sitting in the oval office today. what donald trump has said and is exactly right, we should have free, fair, and transparent elections. in the very same breath, she says that he accepts the election results and then questions the election. what does it mean if this is the person who is running the dnc. donald trump said that radical democrats stole the election, that was yesterday. >> there are a few things in play here. republicans are worried about the stealing of the election claim, they saw what happened in 2020. given the stories that we are seeing here now, republicans know that it is a vulnerability for them. laura trump is nothing but a spokesperson for her father. she is doing more harm than
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good as far as being the head of the rnc. she does not know what the job is. she only knows what she is told to do. >> there is a new piece noting that republicans in ballet races are trying to stay quiet on the claims of election fraud. have they learned there are lesson after midterms? the question is, can they continue to keep quiet? >> look, let's start with donald trump being the most undisciplined candidate in all of history. candidates can be more disciplined and they follow the surveys. this is important for the trump campaign. donald trump sells grievance and anger about white nationalism and popular it is him. he can win the white house on
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this. talking about angry economic populism. when he says that i have been cheated because of my relationship with stormy daniels, i am the victim in all of this, none of that works. what candidates know, focus on grievance politics, that is good for them to spy where the facts may or may not lie. focusing on the stolen election claims is a losing argument. >> trumps legal battles are just getting started. the defense needs to start their case in the hush money trial. as voters keep getting exposed to this, when do they say, i am sick of this, do you think that is a vulnerability for trump? >> they have been sick of it for quite some time. the current case, if convicted, having the word convicted felon
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will matter to a slim amount of voters that have not decided yet. the public has heard all of this. we knew this when we went to the polls in 2020. that is in part why donald trump lost. this is not the only case that will be settled before the election in november. the legal troubles are there. the biggest problem with the legal problems is that he has to spend so much campaign money on defending himself. it is more important financially than it is in the public eye. >> there were rumors that nikki haley was being considered and trump squash that. trump has not signaled that he is going to be announcing
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anytime before july which would be standard. since his nomination has been all but guaranteed for so long now, the longer this draws out, doesn't harm the campaign with him being in court and not being out there? >> anticipation has a certain appeal to it especially for republicans looking to ramp up intensity. frankly you would get to november with few people even knowing who he is. i think a strong pick would be marco rubio. it would be nikki haley without the nikki haley cabbage -- baggage. >> do you think that donald trump squashed the report that we saw about nikki haley? i'm curious what you think, david. >> i think he responds out of vanity all the time. nikki haley has a high profile and he does not want to share
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