donald trump has been warned about being sent to jail again and the new york mayor was asked about it. take a look. >> they were talking about how he may go to jail if he continues to violate court orders. is rikers prepared for that? >> our amazing commissioner is prepared for whatever comes on rikers island. we don't want to do a hypothetical but we have professionals at the ready. >> the new york mayor without fanning the flames says they are ready for whatever the judge decides and you can bet trump's lawyers are listening. >> that's it for us did "the last word" is next. the excitement and anticipation in the room hit a new high. 10:32 a.m.

she entered wearing all black as if on her way to a funeral with a loosefitting, plain black clothing dripping from her shoulders to her toes suggesting the modesty of a nun. the makeup was minimal, the way she and the other moms in her neighborhood might look while shopping at the local grocery store and long blonde hair, pulled up with a clip at the back of her head. the way it might be in a utilitarian way while she's doing dishes or checking one of the horseshoes are her horse. she later spoke up so proudly paid when she walked by him? her face had the same expressionless, somber look that all the jurors always have when they walk by him, looking at the floor. she didn't look at him with the first time they were in a room together, his bodyguard was raining outside the door.

this time, his bodyguards were much closer. she was alone in the room with him that first time. this time? there were over 100 people in the room, all watching her, except him. he didn't look at her. when she sat down, a court officer said, "pull your chair up to the microphone and state your first and last name. and spell your last name for the record. >> ready? my name is stormy daniels. last name is daniels. >> all right. good morning, ms. daniels. >> thank you. >> you may inquire. >> direct examination. >> the morning, ms. daniels. good morning. >> hello. >> ms. daniels, have you also been known as stephanie clifford? >> yes.

>> what name do you prefer we use here in court? >> stormy daniels." >> in the next couple of minutes, we learn she was born and raised in baton rouge, louisiana. " my parents split up when i was four years old. i was mostly raised by mom. very low income family. she was a single working mom. i went to a private, very christian, very strict elementary school that my dad paid for. i was editor of my high school paper, so i was in the journalist club. " >> she was in a room filled with journalists, many of whom were probably editors of their high school newspapers but their similarity ended between her and anyone else in that room. she described the beginning of her career as what she called an exotic dancer and said, "the people who make the most for there. is with people who, the girls, performers, who had done adult films." and so, she acted in her first adult film along with a girlfriend of hers. "i will cut

out a lot of the other details, and five days later she got on a plane to fly back home and i offered a contract at wicked pictures. >> and how old were you at the time? >> 23." >> four years later, she was at a celeb in nevada where the adult film company, wickard entertainment, was sponsoring one of the holes on the golf course. >> "and did you meet donald trump on the golf course at that celebrity tournament in lake turner -- lake tahoe? can you describe how you encountered him on the golf course? >> it was a very brief encounter. the players were playing. they came through very quickly. we met every person that was in the tournament at the moment. they came through. obviously, they would take their shot, i would say hello and introduce myself, i introduced myself,

the company, the other contract girls, not just mr. trump but every player that came through. give them water, pose for pictures. it was a very brief encounter. " >> every one of the dozens and dozens of golfers that day had a brief encounter with stormy daniels at that hole on the golf course. for donald trump, the encounter continued today, in a manhattan courtroom almost 18 years later. donald trump was the only man on that golf course that day who did somethingenough to land him in the defendant's chair in a courtroom today for the hundred $30,000 paid to stormy daniels to buy her silence about what happened next. that, too, she said, was very brief. donald trump invited her to dinner, according to her

testimony. his bodyguard brought her up to his hotel room to meet, there, instead of at a restaurant and she testified she expected to go to the restaurant and they never did. she was not excited about it but her publicist was. " he said, i think you should go. it will make for a great story. he is a business guy. like, what could possibly go wrong? " stormy daniels told her now familiar story of that evening with donald trump, leaving out some of the details that she included in previous interviews , at the direction of the judge who tried to keep those details to an absolute minimum, that donald trump was apparently bothered by everything he heard because the judge held a bench conference with lawyers in the middle of stormy daniels testimony outside the hearing of the jury in which the judge told donald trump's defense lawyer that donald trump had committed contempt of court,

right there, in his chair, in the courtroom, this morning. the judge -- "i understand your client is upset at this point, but he is cursing audibly and he is shaking his head visually and that's contemptuous. it has the potential to intimidate the witness and the jury can see that. >> i will talk to him. >> so, i am speaking to you here at the bench because i don't want to embarrass him. >> i will talk to him. >> you need to speak to him. i will not tolerate that. >> i will talk to him. >> one time i noticed when ms. daniels was testifying about rolling up the magazine and presumably smacking your client, and after that point he shook his head and he looked down. later, i think he was looking at you, mr. blanche, when we were talking about the apprentice, at that point he again uttered a vulgarity and looks at you this time. please talk to him at the break. >> yes, i will."

immediately after the lunch break, before the jury was brought back into the courtroom, todd ledge asked the judge for a mistrial, saying that so much of stormy daniels testimony was "unduly prejudicial." that included details that donald trump was "not wearing a condom." todd lynch raised that and said this has nothing to do with why we are here. at the details of the sexual encounter were "extraordinarily prejudicial and you cannot unring that bell." the attorney said the conduct that stormy daniels described as a witness was precisely the conduct that donald trump was paying to try to hide. the judge noted that he sustained almost all of the trump lawyers objections to the testimony and then said, in a very direct, professional

insult to the trump lawyers, "i was surprised that there were not more objections." that was a signal to donald trump that his lawyers did not do a good job in that section of the trial. the judge said he would issue a limiting instruction to the jury to limit what evidence they can use for stormy daniels testimony about those details in reaching their verdict. trump's defense lawyer spent a full hour of flat, unrevealing question-and-answer before ever getting to stormy daniels testimony about the encounter with donald trump. she used the word "pornography" several times to describe with stormy daniels does for a living , all leading to the one point that she wanted to make for the jury. "you are looking to get, extort money from president trump, right? mac falls."

>> she did not complete her cross-examination today, session ended at 4:24. she had just begun asking stormy daniels about her attempt to sell her story to the national enquirer during donald trump's campaign in june of 2016. stormy daniels answered as to why she was trying to sell her story, "get the story out and make some money." for most of her testimony, she was wearing professorial eyeglasses that created even more of a remove from the image of adult actress. stormy daniels will resume her testimony thursday morning. we are starting off our discussion with adam, chief in the eastern district of new york, msnbc legal analyst and co-author of "the trump indictments, the store charging document with commentary."

we also have adam, who will be in the courtroom for us every day of the trial, a fellow at just security and lisa rubin also in the courtroom, today, msnbc legal analyst, and i was in the courtroom today as well and i want to begin with you because i am challenged in trying to describe the feelings in this courtroom. it is such an extraordinary place to be. especially today. >> especially today and especially contrasted against yesterday, which was one of the most dull days of the trial that i've heard and one of the most significant, because yesterday's testimony was about actually proving the crime that has been charged, 34 counts of falsification of business records by showing the witnesses who testified them each and every business record alleged to be false and taking them through statements. today, by contrast, did not

have much to do with the law and everything to do with the narrative and i want to get back to something you said about todd blanche, who was in his motion for a mistrial, told judge merchan that whether or not they had an affair had nothing to do with why we are here. i will tell you i think it has everything to do with why we are there. donald trump engaged in a long conversation with stormy daniels the night that they were supposedly going to have dinner. it was about the adult film industry and he asked questions, she said, that were different than the questions will usually ask, that were more, and i am quoting, "they want to know the salacious things. these were more thought out business questions. i can't tell you if i ever remember someone asked king, other than donald trump, do we have a union, how do we get paid, how does testing work, are we worried about getting pregnant or catching something?" stormy daniels assured donald trump that she was "safe," but

every test she'd taken had come out good and at that point, it was required every 30 days and he said, "aren't you worried about? i was quick to point out that my time in the industry, i chose to work for wicked pictures because they are the only condom mandatory company," otherwise he insidiously listed that she was safe, had no stds, before he selfishly engaged in a sexual encounter with her for which she testified. she literally disassociated while staring at the ceiling because while she would not say she was threatened physically, and clarified she was not threatened physically or verbally, she felt cornered and that she could not get out and asks herself, and this is also in the transcript, essentially, what had i done that i so misread the situation, what have i done to get myself here? with all due respect to todd blanche who is an accomplished lawyer, that condom was a big

part of why we were there today because that's the story donald trump and michael cohen never wanted stormy daniels to tell anyone , much less all of the american people. >> and let's stay on the point. i wrote it down in my notebook, and the very first thing that went through my mind is, 60- year-old donald trump, not wearing a condom, with 27-year- old stormy, from louisiana, estate where a woman cannot get an abortion if they make the mistake of having intercourse with someone like donald trump who is not using a condom, and the idea that that band that so many women in this country are dealing with was inflicted upon them by the defendant in this case, describes today as "not wearing a condom." >> that part of it, i will tell you, didn't even occur to me, the power imbalance between them

and in particular, the what i will call fortune imbalance between them. it's not lost on me that the prosecution drew out from stormy daniels that not only was she from a messy home life and the troubled home, but she was a star student who won a full scholarship to texas a&m to study veterinary medicine and she didn't go because even on a full scholarship, you still need money. she stayed home for a year thinking she would save money and that's how she became an exotic dancer. you and i can say to each other, i wish we lived in a world where the educational credentials and smarts of an adult film star accusing a former president of something that is not sexual assault but is not consensual, should not matter but that's not the world we live in the prosecution, understanding that world and how jurors think now, their first move was to situate stormy daniels, a former adult home star, as being every bit

the intellectual equal if not more so than the person she was accusing of a crime. the mac there's a lot of chatter in the courtroom that, by reporters, who have not actually spent their lives in courtrooms as reporters, general , they find themselves in the courtroom, i don't think they know what they're variance means. among that group there was chatter about how oh, the jury doesn't like her, won't identify with her. you've handled many prosecutions with key prosecution witnesses who are murderers and confessed murderers, in some cases, while on the witness stand. it's not uncommon for juries in criminal cases that have key prosecution witnesses be, in ways of life, that are completely alien to the jurors themselves and it seems to me that jurors know why that

person is here testifying because someone in this alleged crime decided to bring that person into his life. >> it's really a false thing to look at, as if a jury will dislike somebody. i've done trials where many mobsters testify and of course they are not likable. they are committing all sorts of crimes, but the issue is, are they credible in terms of being candid about it. in the trial and thinking that there was someone who was an accountant for the mob and the jurors hated him in part because he was too lawyerly, he was not owning what he had done. i really think that is where stormy daniels said, yes, i hate him, i do not like the

defendant. that's fine. from a prosecution point of view, that's a good thing. >> let me read that testimony. this is the defense attorney, "am i correct that you hate president trump? >> yes. >> you want him to go to jail? >> i want him to be held accountable. >> you want him to go to jail? >> if he is found guilty, absolutely. " >> i want to focus on something , big picture. this is obviously sensational and it is something, you understand why people are interested in that, there are a few things that seem so topsy- turvy. one is, it doesn't matter whether she is believed or not. there are three instances that have been brought before the jury that are the subject of the catch and kill. the doorman, karen mcdougal, and stormy daniels. everyone agrees the doorman story was not true and it was

something they did not want to get out. all of the theater of, maybe she's telling the truth, maybe she wasn't, maybe is important for a political audience but in terms of jury, is irrelevant. it will help the government if it is shown that she is in fact telling the truth because you get more motive, but she is an exhibit, today. this is the story they did not want to hear and that is why all those details, the ones that todd blanche says are so irrelevant and salacious, it's not true. do you believe her or not in terms of that issue? she could say all sorts of terrible things and it doesn't matter. the real issue is, will they believe her or not? leave aside that this does not convey donald trump as a paragon of virtue. everyone knows that.

nothing about what happened today is changing anyone's mind but at this trial you've already heard about election fraud from his friends, david pecker. intentional defamation, and lying to the public where, as you pointed out, they are denying. because of course. those are the things, and yet, todd blanche says, i want a mistrial because a witness says he did not use a condom. we are so backwards when we are talking about somebody who won the presidency through election fraud and intentional defamation of his adversaries and this is the thing they want. >> adam, we were sitting beside each other in court and we cannot talk there. i really don't know what you think. there were so many moments that were so striking and unique to this trial but i want to open it up to you. what were your main reactions

today? >> i want to build on something that andrew and lisa were saying that gets to the question, why put stormy daniels on the stand? we have sweet talked recently about the evidence showing the entire reimbursement scheme, on paper. you know, it reminds me of an expression that a lawyer once told me, facts are not persuasive, stories are. today we got stormy daniels story, and to the point lisa was making about the comment that stormy daniels said that trump was interested in business questions, she told that story before, in 2011. i am sure that that will come in on redirect once prosecutors get to it, and later, we've been talking about this, her remarks that he did not wear a condom. that testimony was much darker and it's a story she told before.

she said, and here's the exchange, "was he wearing a condom? no. was that concerning to you? yes. did you say anything? no. why not? i didn't say anything at all. do you recall how it ended? yes. was it brief? yes. do you remember, at some point, getting dressed? can you tell us what you recall about getting dressed? this is the part i wanted to flag because it's the first time we've heard his pet name for her. honeybunch. sitting on the end of the bed, noticing it was completely dark outside and that it was really hard to get my shoes on, my hands were shaking so hard. i had tiny strapping gold heels with tiny buckles and my hands were shaking so hard, i was having a hard time getting dressed pete he said, okay, great. let's get together again, honeybunch." that's a story that will endure

in the jurors mind and it came up again later. i didn't notice this until the transcript, when they spoke again, and he put her on speaker phone, he said he would call on average, once a week, multiple times a week. he would always call, she was shooting a lot, she always put him on speakerphone and it was during this conversation that she said, did i miss him, he would always call me "honeybunch." if the jurors make that connection, they learn the story of stormy daniels and that is where i think that it all came together. >> we are going to get in a quick break and we will be back with much more. we will be right back."

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stormy daniels life changed on january 12th, 2018, when the wall street journal published this story, with the headline, "employer arranged hundred $30,000 for adult them stars silence." when this article came out in january, early january, did it have an impact on your life? yes. briefly, what kind of impact, chaos. it was, suddenly, i was front and for most everywhere, people on the front lawn, my husband

asking questions, my friend asking questions. i blew my cover, for lack of a better way of explaining it to everyone i rode horses with, everyone in my neighborhood, everyone in my daughter's friends. we were ostracized from playgroups, from stables, horse shows, her dad lost his gig in his band. we got, from stormy daniels, strong, clear descriptions of who she is outside of this experience that she went through. there does seem to be in her testimony, threads and tones of commonality that you can hear. in other courtroom testimony and private conversations, life with women who have a sexual encounter that they regret, that they did not want to have, she specified clearly that this was, she did not think this was

sexual assault, she did not mean that, but that she was describing a woman in the middle of something she doesn't want to be doing and regrets while it's happening. >> yes, and a woman caught in what she described as a power imbalance. today, for me, was like a constant call back to e jean carroll. i'm sure viewers at home are saying, i don't do that, e jean carroll is a classy broad, educated, a literary darling. she was miss indiana cheerleader and the witness we saw today is a person seriously messy home life who was dancing exotically by the time she was 17 and never went to college and yet, there are threads throughout stories like this, stories i've been hearing since i was 14 privately and in courtrooms since last year when i first started attending trump trials, this is mine and adams fourth, i think, there are so many

echoes and parallels in those stories, even starting with the banter. both of these stories start off for these women as, this is going to be a great story to tell at a party and in this case, i will read from the transcript, she says, "what did you notice he was wearing at the time the came to greet you? >> so course and pajamas i immediately made fun of him for it, mr. hafner know you stole his pajamas? >> who were you referring to, >> the owner of playboy magazine. >> was he known for wearing pajamas in public? >> it was his signature uniform. your son pajamas all the time." for the get go, this is an elaborate joke. i'm going to have dinner with is very famous businessman and maybe i will cajole him into giving me business opportunities , but so too did the e jean carroll story started bergdorf

goodman when he says, hey, you're that business tycoon and a few minutes later they are literally throwing nigligie's at each other and a few minutes later, e jean carroll is cornered in a dressing room in an isolated department, testifying that she was sexually assaulted by donald trump in a way that she could not get out of until she literally forced him off her and ended up on the sidewalk outside bergdorf goodman not knowing how she got there. all i thought was that this was a pattern with this guy, even though the stories are not similar in how they experienced them, even though these women are dissimilar, these details make them resonate as a lived experience and jurors or anyone else list inning. stormy daniels remembered strange things, her hands shaking as she's putting on the heels, the black and white tile

, the silk pajamas, all of that, to me, and i get andrew's point that the jury does not have to believe her, necessarily, but if they do, all the better for the prosecution because they will be all the more convinced that her telling the story publicly would have turned what hope hicks turned a crisis into a full-blown catastrophe. >> the question of believing stormy daniels about what happens in the room, my question is, how can they not believe it? this jury is going to have the transcript of the access hollywood video in which donald trump says that it doesn't have to be a closed room, a hotel room, it can be walking down the street, wherever i am. i get to grab then whenever i want to and they let you do it. he's not talking about adult film stars, he means anyone.

they will have that exhibit of his description of his own behavior and then they will have uncontested testimony about stormy daniels being alone in a hotel room with donald trump, first and pajamas, then his underwear, then, how can they not believe her on what happened? >> your argument is exactly what e jean carroll argued, which is, how hard is it to believe it when there's a tape recording of the defendant and he does this? he is saying that he actually forcibly sexually assaults people, he's on tape saying that, so what is so incredible about saying that's what he did to me? she did have to -- two contemporary witnesses that she spoke to to corroborate her story and it remains to be seen what kind of corroboration will be offered, but for instance, there are these little easter eggs of things you can see,

which is, when she talked about phone calls. there will be records that i would anticipate will come out. here is again, you know how eventually she got out of her nda, issue brings this lawsuit in california against donald trump and michael cohen and that is where she says, i shouldn't be bound by this, were donald trump says, to the court, "i paid hush money of $130,000, i paid the reimbursement to michael cohen , because of her." >> and the reason he told the court that is, that is the nondisclosure agreement i'm trying to enforce, i paid for silence. >> exactly. that can come out on redirect

but what's going to happen is because it's not something that needs to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, you can imagine that the state will say there's tons of reason to believe it, about different corroboration for her, you can sense your credibility, but at the end of the day, many of you may believe her. all of you might believe her. it doesn't have to be beyond reasonable doubt and it does not matter. this is not where they have to pick one or the other because all you have to find is this is something the did not want to come out and you know how we know that's true? hope hicks said that she had a direct conversation with donald trump, that there is no way to get out of that, were donald trump said, thank god michael cohen paid this because it would have been terrified if this had come out before the election. >> i kept waiting during cross examination by defense for them

to score a point to establish something and it came down to nothing other than the argument and the question of, you were trying to extort him. this suggested that it was done in a criminal way and does suggest that maybe what you are asking the money for was not true. >> i think that is what they are getting at and he goes back to what i'm saying earlier about this story, the narrative they want to tell, the story that stormy daniels is an extortionist, her lawyer was an extortionist and that is what andrew was saying, it comes down to corroboration. e jean carroll was a similar circumstance. i was watching the same trial and there was the photograph and trump could not deny the photograph of him and e jean carroll where he confused e jean carroll with someone else and made a statement on treat social saying, admitting there was a

brief encounter and that he does not remember her and denying everything else. it came to a barrage of other corroboration which made e jean carroll more than $80 million richer because the rest of it backed it up. the quote i was reading earlier about stormy daniels putting trump on speakerphone to her friends, i would not be surprised if we learn about those witnesses. the jurors have already seen the evidence of her having contact information of trump's bodyguard, or having contact information of his executive assistant and earlier in the trial, inputting contact information in trump organizations database. that is where the jurors will come to identify her story and that is where the lawyers will have to attack. >> the mayor of new york said

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they were talking about how he might end up in jail if he continues to violate court orders. is rikers prepared for that? have you had those discussions yet?

>> our amazing commissioner, she is prepared for whatever comes on rikers island. i am pretty sure she would be prepared to manage, with the situation as you see what is happening with harvey weinstein. we have to adjust. in this business, particularly around law enforcement, we have to adjust whatever comes our way and we do not want to deal with a hypothetical. we have professionals ready. >> they are thinking about it. >> that is the right response, which is, many people say, at as the former president has secret service protection, he can't go to jail, that doesn't exactly, with all due respect, have it backwards. the secret service will do and have to do with the judge orders and as i said, it's easier to

keep them protected in a jail cell, not harder. their job is to make sure that the people they protect, it's not some nut job who is taking a crack at them and that is a difficult job that the secret service has for everyone. this will be a challenge, but not any more than, for instance, barack obama and michelle obama, who faced, when they took office, it was off the charts, the secret service had to do. if the judge makes that call, then the job of the nypd and the secret service is to carry that out. it's not the judge to be subservient to them. that is not how our system works any rule of law country. >> my point has been practical, judges are going to be very reluctant because the practical considerations of the secret

service and we heard that when the judge was giving his statement about how reluctant he is to use jail because of what it might mean to the secret service and the guards but he did not say i won't. he kind of said that he will, but he's reluctant. >> i will and i'm reluctant and that has to shape how the d.a. is thinking about this. knowing that he has sort of thrown down the gauntlet and said, i will, even though i don't want to, that puts the onus on them to make sure that whatever the next alleged violation is that they present him with, it better be serious, that the public understands as commensurate with in -- in cars or penalty. the thing he said this morning about being upset about the witness that was called, they didn't have time to prepare, and quickly taking that down, that would not have passed muster. i think it's changing everyone's behavior and certainly the lawyers for trump because someone had gone through to say, that's not

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examination. what will defense want to establish and what will the prosecution want to establish with the remaining time with stormy daniels? we were mentioning the fact that the defense has not gone to the encounter. they have not gone to her central story of the affair and right now, her story is unrebutted. they haven't tried to undercut it in any way. they're going to have to try to get to that, especially if they're trying to paint this picture of her as an extortionist. they're probably going to, given some of the exchanges that happened in court, try to paint her as inconsistent. they're going to have to try to pick out those inconsistencies in her stories and since they haven't gotten to that at all,

one imagines if it is coming, it is coming on thursday. >> lisa, do you expect the prosecution to want to do some reinforcing after cross- examination? >> i do, and i think one of the things they are going to say is to go back through some of the central details and to also establish with her that some of what she remembers about the story came back to her in later years. they wanted to do that initially but the judge said that was not quite appropriate and then it became the basis of the mistrial motion and they settle, you can't have it both ways. you blocked us from eliciting from her the fact that certain of the details she recalled only evident to her later on after she had seen a specific movie. it triggered some memories for her but you can't then say that her story evolved over time and ask for a mistrial based on details you block us from eliciting. it seemed as in that moment the

defense had really miscalculated but i also think that if they open the door to the inconsistencies of her memory, they will get an opportunity to establish with her why certain things can back, and how, and how her understanding of the event has evolved over time but in all respects, that by 2016, she was in a place where the story she would have told is the story we largely heard from her today on direct. >> what are we going to hear in final argument from the prosecutor about stormy daniels' testimony? >> i think from the defense it is easy because that is look over here. you're going to hear that the state is desperate, that they are trying to go after donald trump by dredging up this preposterous story that is -- they will point out various

inconsistencies. after all, she did have an mda so the whole point of that was for her to deny that this ever happened so she's now saying that it did happen so that's fair game. they will be saying look how salacious this is and it undermines the whole case. very typical defense strategy is pit you pick one thing and then blow it out of proportion to say it's representative and illustrative of the whole scheme here. i think with the state, that it is going to be, he's not the unluckiest man in the world. it is not the case that look at all of the proof together, that the defense lawyer always wants to say look at one little leased area that doesn't make a tree in the prosecution wants to say look at the whole piece together. you can point to various ways she has cooperated. you can point to the fact that

what she is saying is consistent with the tape recording of a defendant saying this is what he does. you can point to the same thing happening with karen mcdougal. in other words, all of that can be a scheme to point to all the various witnesses who corroborate this game but at the end of the day, this is a bit of a factoid. it's actually -- we are focusing on it. we should be focusing on it but in terms of the trial, it's actually not necessary for them to believe it. all they have to know is this is the kind of thing you would not want to come out in october of 2016. >> i wish we could've televised the conversation that continued at this table throughout the commercial breaks of this hour. we have so much more we could have said. andrew weissmann, adam, lisa rubin, thank you all very much for joining us tonight. we will be right back. . we will be right back. why can't they use my backyard!! with empower, we get all of our financial questions answered. so we don't have to worry. empower. what's next. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating.

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