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word". "the 11th hour" starts now. storms on the stand, what the adult film star said about donald trump and the cross- examination from defense. biden condemns anti-semitism as israel seizes a key border crossing in gaza. marjorie taylor green, backing off her immediate threat to house the speaker as "the 11th hour" gets underway on this tuesday night. that evening, once again. we are now 182 days away from the election and it has been six years, three months, and 25 days since the first report that stormy daniels was paid to keep quiet during the 2016 election about her alleged sexual encounter with donald j trump.
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today, stormy daniels herself took the stand and told her story to a jury, while donald trump sat watching 10 feet away. here is laura jarrett with moore. >> reporter: donald trump was seated just 10 feet away as the woman at the center of his hush money cover-up trial testified in vivid detail about their legend sexual encounter nearly 20 years ago. prosecutors say he was desperate to hide that from voters before the 2016 election. the adult film actor spoke quickly at times, looking at the jury, recounting how she first met mr. trump at a celebrity golf tournament in lake tahoe in 2006 and went up to a hotel suite, where the pair ultimately had intercourse, which trump says never happened. >> has it going? >> reporter: stormy daniels told the jury that she was not threatened or drugged but her testimony about blacking out during the encounter and
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imbalance of power asked the judge to declare a mistrial, arguing that the lurid details were only meant to embarrass the presumptive nominee, saying that the testimony is "impossible to come back from." the judge declared to refuse a -- refused to declare a mistrial but that some of this testimony would be better left unsaid, leading to heated cross- examination with defense zeroing in on daniel's testimony about an unknown man that she says confronted her in a parking 120 11, which she recounted to 60 minutes. >> a guy walked up on's -- on me and looked at my daughter and said, a beautiful little girl, be a shame if something happened to her mom. >> reporter: the defense pressed her about why she did not call police . the testimony stretched far afield from the criminal charges the former president faces for allegedly disguising how to reimburse michael cohen , coupe daniels
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the $130,000 to stay quiet before the election. the judge chided daniels to move along at times. >> the case is falling apart. they have nothing on books and records. >> reporter: daniels told the jury she was focused on selling her story, but "my motivation wasn't money, it was to get the story out," adding that she didn't feel safe after the parking lot threat. trump's defense attorney took aim at her credibility and past denials of their legend encounter, grilling her, "you are looking to extort money from president trump, right? " daniels responded, "false." >> trump's attorneys will continue cross-examination thursday and the prosecution made clear they will want to keep her on the stand for redirect. in florida, judge cannon has given trump his wish. she has indefinitely delayed his classified documents trial, making it even less likely that that trial will happen before
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the election. let's get smart with our leadoff panel and it is ladies night to start the show. we have an msnbc legal analyst and host of an msnbc show, staff writer for the new yorker, and a veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan with a new book, "attack from within, how disinformation is sabotaging america," out now. katie feng, this is the testimony many people were anxious to hear. what do you make of the stormy daniels testimony? >> she was incredibly vivid in detail, and maybe some people think that is a convenient truth for her, but from what she said and what she relayed to the jury that sat in rapt attention and took detailed notes in their notebooks, stormy daniels delivered for the prosecution, namely that she experienced a brief sexual
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encounter with donald trump that was not being presented for the purposes of a salacious nurse of what happened, but at the end of the day, immediately after it occurred, donald trump never told her to keep it confidential but he never told her he was worried his family or his wife would find out. it was only after he announced he was going to run for the offices of the president that there was a dash to get her across the finish line with an nda. it will be up to them to present that disclosure but the were interested in what she had to say and she's been holding her own against a very aggressive cross-examination by the only other female lawyer for donald trump. >> if you are prosecutor, how do you feel about this testimony? >> i think it came in really
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well. one of the things katie mentioned was the level of detail in the story and i think that's important. there were objections about the salacious details, but things like the black and white tile on the floor and the mahogany furniture in the layout of the hotel room, this matters because if she is fabricating that, it would be easy to rebut that. you can have a witness who works at the hotel say it doesn't look like that or that it didn't in 2006. those details, i think, bolster her testimony and help the jury believed that this story is true . it would be one thing that the prosecution has to be careful about, something i've encountered in cases i've handled, and it reminds me of what kenneth stark investigating bill clinton. the details of the sexual affair, if it becomes too salacious, there's a worry the jury perceives the case to be about morality instead of what the case is really about, which
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is the falsification of business records to interfere with an election. i think they got just enough detail to tell the story and she's now off on cross- examination, holding up well, but we continue tomorrow. >> i want to go back to the salacious nurse. let's zoom out. it was january, 2018, one year into trump's presidency. we have been hearing about stormy daniels for six long years, now. here we are. put this case, and specifically this testimony into context for us. >> that's right. there are two very different audiences for all of this and one is what happened in that courtroom and with the jury itself and the judge, but the context is this national election. in a way, it sums up 2024, in brief, that we are not only having the very belated
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court proceeding, that is one story about donald trump, he has managed to play the legal system so, that has taken so long that we are in the middle of yet another election year talking about whether he was essentially improperly intervening in the 2016 election , eight years ago. i am struck by the amount of time we've been talking about this, but also about the incredibly surreal nature. whatever the jury ultimately makes abuse charges against donald trump, we are talking about an account of a woman under oath that is extraordinarily problematic. if the politicians name was not donald trump, it's hard to see how this is something that would lend to the republican nominee for president of united states and that, of course, is the other audience. what does the public make of this? do they shrug and say, we already know this about donald trump and we don't care? for those who are his fans or
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who are republican partisans and one into win anyways, that is, in essence, the question we are being asked every day to see her in 2024. >> let's dig back into the dirty details. stormy went into graphic detail. the judge actually said, keep it brief, don't give us the details, she gave us the details. we do not show trump in a good light, but is there a risk that this gets the case sidetracked? could it backfire on the prosecution? >> that's a good question. it is such a stark contrast to what yesterday was like. yesterday was jeff mccarney and debra tarasoff, former employees or current employees at trump organization, creating and documenting that paper trail of the receipts and the fake ledgers and the false invoices and the wrong retainer entries, et cetera.
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you get that and juxtapose it to what we heard today with stormy daniels and your eyes obviously get very wide. here is the true issue, which is the evidence, right? we can have conversations all day long, but with the jury hears is totally different. the jury can only see, read, hear, feel what has actually been entered into evidence, what is said by a lawyer is not evidence. what happened today is despite the detour into the more lurid and salacious details of what happened with donald trump and stormy daniels, when the defense failed to object, that is why the jury heard it. despite the move for a mistrial during the direct examination testimony of stormy daniels, judge merchan said to the defense, you know i i active you to object more. despite there being "guardrails" put up to make sure that stormy daniels did not veer too far off the beaten path, because
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the defense failed to object and even when judge merchan said he might want to make sure you stay on the straight and narrow, the jury heard it anyway. they left today with a recess for no court tomorrow, with that very, seared into their mind imaging of what stormy daniels said happened with donald trump. >> let's talk about the cross- examination. translators are clearly trying to paint the picture that stormy daniels is out to get trump, she has a vendetta. even if she does, if the facts are on her side, does it matter? >> it does not. there are two ways to look at that. one, she was even asked, you hate donald trump, don't you, and she said yes, if that's the case, there is nothing that undermines her credibility in that way. if that's how she feels, that's fine. she was accused of extorting him
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. i don't think that's problematic because at the end of the day, she said she took the payment and that donald trump paid her through michael cohen. the second reason they are using this is to impeach her as a witness, her believability, that she will say anything because of her feelings for donald trump because she despises him, she's out to get him, she does have a vendetta and therefore you should not believe anything she has to say. of course, the way prosecutors address that situation is by corroborating her testimony with testimony from other people. i think that again, with the display of all of the details, if someone wanted to undermine her credibility, they could simply bring in a witness to refute some of those details and it remains to be seen if they are able to do that or not. i don't know, just because the jury might not like her does not mean they don't believe her. >> today we heard so many embarrassing details and
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according to the transcript, donald trump could not control himself in the courtroom. the judge actually had to tell trump's attorney to calm down his client because he was actually cursing, audibly, in a way that could potentially intimidate witnesses. how lucky is donald trump, right? lucky example, 4682, how lucky is this man that there are not cameras in court? >> it would have been must-see tv, no question about that. in general, that is one of the things that's interesting about this case. i wonder if it really has captivated the public's attention. it certainly has given new life to the entire industry of courtroom sketching which has never had a more high-profile role in our national public life, at least not in decades that i can remember. it's a reminder that courtrooms in the judicial system are among the least transparent and most opaque parts of our system of government. on some level, it is good news
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for donald trump that the whole country is not seeing this live on video. of course, his fate is tied up here, nonetheless. this judge is the power to send him to jail if he continues to rack up these contempt of court citations. he clearly was risking another in the courtroom today with cursing audibly, you mentioned that, which is apparently even a quote from the transcript itself. it's remarkable stuff, but i do wonder whether the country is fully absorbing this, because it is not right there on video and on television for them. they are not used to things, frankly, anymore, that are not live streamed and instantly available. >> a miserable day in court for trump but a bright and sunny day for him in florida. his classified documents case, today, his favorite judge in the whole world, indefinitely postponed the trial, granted
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him a delay, the one he wanted on a key paperwork deadline. what is going on? can jack smith appeal? it's like trump always says, there's a two-tiered system, the courts are biased against him or are controlling the department of justice, if there's any bias or any political thing, it's canon hooking this guy up every which way. >> i never want to impugn bad faith to judge based on the decisions they make but this is difficult to fake in part because she has not really explained why she has extended all these deadlines so consistently and as you say, not just moving the trial date but suspending indefinitely. she cites, as she is required to, the speedy trial act which explains why because of course, it's not just the defendant's right to a speedy trial, the public also has a right to a speedy trial. what she says is that the fair
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administration of justice requires that this be delayed indefinitely in light of the complexity of the issues and all of the pending motions and decisions she has to make about the use of classified information and therefore, the date cannot be set until all of that is worked through. it really does seem that this has been a slow walk of the case. this is a case that is not that difficult. it has a finite number of exhibits, a finite number of witnesses. i would have expected this case to have been tried by now, and instead, it's on the slow track and it now appears it will not be tried before the election. >> do think it ever will be? think about what president trump is accused of doing. think about the images, the boxes and boxes and boxes at mar-a-lago, the repeated attempts not to return these documents to the government. do you think this case will ever see the light of day, on his? >> can you believe that at the
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beginning of the show, the fact that we are in trial over the manhattan d.a.s case and that one of the federal prosecutions? donald trump is one of the only criminal defendants that gets rewarded for the more crime he does, the more delays he gets, but canon, to your point, has never been the target of his ire, or criticism. >> i think i just lost katie, but we are out of time and will leave it there. thank you for joining us. stomach before break, it's time for an update on the dj t tracker following how trump's media company is doing. the stock was down, closing at about $40 a share but it was another trump business that caught our eye today. the wall street journal reported one of his most important skyscrapers, block away from the stock exchange, is getting hit by the lack of people going to work. 21% of the building is empty and next year, donald trump may
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have to refinance the mortgage. now, for everyone who says that donald trump is the pro- business candidate, he is the business guy, he has got corporate america's ear, he was in court today while president joe biden actually met with a group of ceos at the white house to talk about how to ensure a strong economic growth. those are the snapshots that we have today. when we come back, president biden brings down the hammer on anti-semitism in the u.s. and israel and hamas return to the negotiating table for a possible cease-fire. marjorie to the green is laying out demands for speaker mike johnson. "the 11th hour" is just getting underway on a very newsworthy tuesday night. worth , i'm all in with clearer skin. ♪ things are getting clearer...♪ ( ♪♪ ) ♪ i feel free... ♪
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there is no place on any campus in america, anyplace in america, for anti-semitism or hate speech or threats of violence of any kind. >> weather against jewish people or anyone else. >> president biden marked holocaust remembrance day by condemning anti-semitism in no uncertain terms. he called up the protest over
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the israel-hamas war that have caught -- taken over college campuses. hours before he spoke, israel's military sees a key border crossing in southern gaza and there is still knows the spire deal to release hostages. i want to bring in bad roads, deputy of national security for president obama and msnbc contributor. you have written presidential's teaches did this hit the right tone to bring down the temperature here at home? can people even here it, at this point? >> i think people can hear it. the president of united states is the only person with a megaphone big enough to break through and narrate the events that have shaken the country and in this instance, we've seen an alarming rise of anti- semitism from all ends of the political spectrum, from the far right to the far left. i think that what people are looking for is reassurance that there are core principles the
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president stands for and that is what he's woke to on such a poignant day, sending a message that whatever your views on this conflict, whatever your views between israel and palestine, that we are not going to tolerate the kind of anti-semitism that we have seen rear its head in certain quarters of america and i think that was be showing for a lot of people. >> nbc report that the white house halted a weapon shipment from israel over concerns that they would be used in rafah. what do you think about that? >> rafah has learned, for months, as a potential breaking point between israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu and president biden. president biden called it a redline. the concerns out of the white house are that the civilian population in rafah, many have already been displaced once before and it's the major aid crossing into gaza so when you have shortages of water, food,
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you cannot afford to lose the rafah crossing among others so the concern for the administration is if israel goes forward with a ground invasion or bombardment that we've seen in other parts of gaza, that it could accelerate the humanitarian crisis. i think the suspension of the delivery of those weapons, which included 2000 pound bombs, is a bit of an indication of the administration's message, privately, to israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, that this is not the way to go forward with this operation and that there is a cease-fire to get hostages out. frankly, clearly, whatever insurances the israeli government is trying to give biden about, to mitigate civilian deaths and suffering, those have clearly not met the mark for the biden administration. if the rafah invasion goes forward, i think we are probably looking at some kind of continuation of what has
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been a continued break between biden and benjamin netanyahu. >> let's talk about the cease- fire negotiation because the national security council say they believe israel and hamas will be able to close the gaps on those talks. that is some indirect wording. what do you think they are actually saying? are we close to a deal? >> i think they are trying to nudge both sides. there's a deal on the table that involves the release of around 33 israeli hostages in exchange for a significant number of palestinian prisoners. the sticking point comes back to rafah in the sense that the israeli government is willing to look at a short-term cease- fire and what hamas insisted upon is a permanent cease-fire of hostility, which holds for the long-term. that is the most profound gap between the sides. i think with the biden
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administration is trying to do in trying to find middle ground is have a release of hostages, have a cease-fire for a period of time, and allow them to conduct diplomacy to see if there is something they can build upon and get momentum with. it feels to me like the sides are far apart. they are trying aggressively to close the window because if the rafah invasion goes forward, they may lose the opportunity for any negotiated release of hostages in the coming weeks. it's a critical juncture where if we don't get a cease-fire in the coming days and the rafah operation goes forward, it's probably going to be a much longer war than the administration needs. >> thank you . when we return, donald trump plays mediator, that's right, donald trump is currently playing mediator with marjorie taylor greene and speaker johnson. is it enough to appease the
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i intend to leave this conference in the future. i am honored to be able to do that i expect i will be doing that in the future. >> speaker johnson sounds optimistic about the chances of keeping his job. one reason he
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might be optimistic is because donald trump is supposedly holding the phones for him. trump had an "lengthy phone call" with georgia republican, marjorie taylor greene, who's been leading the effort to oust johnston. trump reportedly urged her to stand down. after two days in negotiation, she seemed to back off. >> i am so done. for me, it's all about actions and that's all the american people care about it at this point, all the as seen from politicians's promises after promises and nothing but broken promises. i walked out of that meeting, obvious way, you cannot make things happen instantly, and we all are aware and understanding of that so now the ball is in his court. >> last week you said you were absolutely going to put up a motion to vacate. is that no longer the case? >> we will see, it's up to mike johnson.
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>> the chaos continues. let's bring in axis political reporter and amanda carpenter, writer for project democracy. amanda, trump is apparently now the one encouraging unity among house gop. i'm dying to get your reaction. he created this mess and is now being begged to clean up. >> well, i might be one of the last people to ask your viewers to have pity on donald trump and let me be clear i'm not asking them to do that, but can you imagine being donald trump and having to spend all your time preparing for these trials , coming from multiple angles, and left to spend time on the phone, mediating differences between marjorie taylor greene and speaker johnson? it's just an absurd situation and the reality is that the democrats saved mike johnson. they are pretending some other dynamic is happening but the
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reality is that there's not going to be a motion to remove him because democrats have signaled they would support him as long as he seems sane on things like funding for ukraine. this seems to me they're trying to find an exit ramp, way to come up with this list of silly demands that essentially delays the fight until september, possibly for another government shutdown. as long as johnson keeps the democrats on his side, don't tell anyone, that's the responsible governing coalition in washington right now. >> hans, i see you smirking. can marjorie taylor greene keep holding this thread over johnson now that trump is telling her not to? at the end of the day, marjorie taylor greene has never had one original idea or initiative. she does what trump tells her to do. >> i don't know about that. i think we will see, right? marjorie taylor greene, she didn't take the threat off the
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table, she just said we will see. you might be right, maybe she will take voters from trump. i will respectfully and slightly disagree with amanda. i think donald trump loves this. he loves being in charge of his party, he was having people come to him to solicit his views . this is what, as the clear, titular leader of his party, this is what he likes to do. he may have created the chaos but he likes to have people listen to him, seek his advice, and give them orders. yes, he's had a couple rough days in court, i really hope we don't have to talk about that later. for trump this is probably a nice break from a lot of the chaos at least in the courtroom, where he can be the party leader and act presidential, dare i say, in mediating a dispute between two members of his party. >> you might be the party leader but not all members of
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that party or their voters are happy about him. nikki haley got hundred 20,000+ votes in the indiana primary tonight, 20%. this woman has been out of the race for two months. do we need more evidence that republicans do not want a criminal defendant as their nominee? >> with indiana, i think some democrats will cross over. i could be wrong, i'm sure the internet will correct me if i'm wrong, but this vote for nikki haley among primaries, it is so clearly telling us something and we don't know what, yet. we know there is queasiness about donald trump and a protest vote, but we still don't know if they will vote for joe biden and the people asking that question themselves, that question so clearly and critically, is joe biden's campaign. every private conversation, many of them, how are they going to appeal to nikki haley
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voters? it's clearly an opportunity for the biden campaign and they don't know if they can get it across the line and get them to pull the trigger or pull the lever for joe biden, but it's clearly the tragedy -- strategy moving forward. >> let's talk about trump's criminal trial. let's put things in political perspective. do you remember howard dean? howard dean made an unsettling screen that is campaign came to a screeching halt. michael dukakis wrote in -- rode in on a tank and it ran over his run. when mitt romney reference binders full of women, america threw the book at him. now, donald trump, again, was spanked with the magazine by an adult film star who reminded him of his daughter and this man is the current gop front runner. i want you to explain that to me and by this, i don't mean trump, i mean the american
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voter. >> well, i think what comes to mind immediately is sunk cost. they've invested so much into him at this point and there's no getting off the train until it derails totally off the tracks. you brought up the results from indiana. i think that what we have seen throughout the republican primary, there is a broad, vibrant, anti-trump coalition. they might be voting for nikki haley right now, but we will see if it will be translated into biden votes come november. look at what has happened since january 6th. liz cheney, adon kings are -- adam kinzinger, mike pence, saying they will not vote for this man for various reasons in the next election. you cannot dismiss that from the story. yes, he is going to be the republican nominee. we will go on this whole thing
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where he will select a vice president and that process will play out because it cannot be undone at this point, but that does not mean that he enjoys the full support he did in 2016 or even 2020. >> hans, weigh in. >> i just want to talk about the trial in florida. >> i just think, if i am howard dean watching this -- >> we can talk about legal issues, we are not talking about what kind of magazine, but this is a unique day in court and people said appropriate and inappropriate things and i will say none of those and just amanda, tell me what's happening in that classified document trial. we have the suspension of the case down there. let's move to florida. >> i was going to ask, stormy daniels in her testimony so that when donald trump answered the door in silk pajamas, she told him to put his clothes on. how often has stormy daniels said that to a man when they opened the door?
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amanda, hans -- >> you were waiting for that one. >> i was saving it. when we come back, the biggest business in u.s. politics, lobbying and the worst, most disgusting? we will take a look at it unstoppable rise to power in d.c. when "the 11th hour" continues. (restaurant noise) [announcer] introducing allison's plaque psoriasis. she thinks her flaky gray patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. allison! over here! otezla can help you get clearer skin and reduce itching and flaking. with no routine blood tests required.
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it's almost midnight which means it time to give you a nightmare. you always know what we say on the show, if you want and there's, follow the money. these days, it's not always that simple. k street, the lottery headquarters in the, is getting more and more complicated and creative with how it influences washington. last year, special interest groups, are you ready? spent a record-breaking $4.2 billion lobbying federal lawmakers. you wonder why things don't get done. those numbers are only getting bigger but i want to welcome brody and luke mullins, investigative reporter for the washington journal and contributing writer for politico and together, they wrote the book, "the wolves of k street, the secret history of how big money took over big government." that is out now. it's no secret. it is our awful reality but people don't even realize how it works. what inspired you to write
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this? >> you start off talking about this, we are talking about money and power and it's all connected. corporate lobbyists make so much money, you said for $.2 billion and that's just part of it, that's the disclosed amount. there might be 10 or 20 times as much is not disclosing how lobbyists seek to get what they want in washington. >> the big change that's happening in lobbying is the focus in terms of the tactics lobbyists are using which is moved away from the smoke- filled room -- the dinner, cigars, champagne. they are going right to the voters. how? >> they look at any sort of lobbying campaign as a presidential campaign so in influence put pressure on their member of congress. they are using sophisticated media campaigns, social media, grassroots tactics, and the
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whole idea is that this is moving the influence business from washington, basically into the living rooms of every -- >> the number one thing we found is that members of congress exist to get re- elected. if corporate lobbyists can convince constituents to vote for an issue that companies support, then congress will follow. >> i want to share a quote you open the book with, from pad box that says, "it was built on the idea that the law can be changed to achieve client object to. we see the law as a dynamic process, not an immutable rules washington? >> so i mean, i'm pretty sure that quote is pulled from like the 1980s . and, it would be sort of from that era when the
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70s , corporations we have this sort of revolution of corporate power. and corporate interests were able to essentially take over washington and vanquish what had been their advera tears in the union movement. environmental groups. public interest groups and they really start to go on the offense during the 80s . and that quote reflects that ethos. the telaw for those that have access is not immutable. it is something that happen to be written down, but you can change it if you have the right lobbyist. >> the truth is every time congress throws up restrictions around how lobbying works in this country, these lobbyists find a way around it. that's our reality. >> that's one of the problems. >> is it because they are the ones writing half of the laws at this point? >> probably. we have a great quote in the book from one of our great characters who said if congress
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outlawed lobbyists driving, they would all get cars and drivers and that's true. >> and so much of it has been driven by these reforms. and when we have any type of reform, it basically forces lobbyists to innovate in order to create new tactics to get around those reforms and that makes the industry sort of more, sort of operate more underground. >> oh great. just what we wanted. you write in the book after that trump, sort of the lobbying industrial complex needed to reinvent itself. why? >> well, trump really changed lobbying. he became sort of a throwback. we are talking about how lobbyists move from dc. trump changed things. trump had so much power over policies, he ran a rough shot s over congress. over his own administration. that in order to. >> hold on, hold on. but how? what did he get done? 17 infrastructure leaks and a
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wall? >> he worked through executive orders. to lobby trump, you need to know a few people around him who knew him. >> he is easy to lobby. hire his aids. ranked out a whole floor at the trump hotel. isn't he the easiest one to lobby? >> he is very transactional in that sense. that is what is going on with tiktok. >> so what is the most important take away? you wrote with with the sole purpose. >> it is two important take aways. >> call your congressperson and a lobbyist will answer. >> one take away is a corporation at the height of your power and they are fighting against no one. no strong labor groups or environmental groups or no strong opponents so members of congress are trying to pass the law. they are not talking the other side. >> you wonder why the carried
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the last thing before we go tonight, you've got mail. postal worker in grand prairie, texas made a surprising discovery loading his truck last month. the number of undelivered letters from an army veteran during world war ii. the postal worker is also a veteran and he made it his mission to deliver the letters. our affiliate with kark has more. >> reporter: traveling all the way from grand prairie, texas, this post office worker made the long drive to jacksonville,
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arkansas. all to deliver this special piece of mail. >> hello. >> reporter: to this grateful family. on april 25th, alvin found undelivered letters at work from world war ii army veteran marion lamb but they didn't know where to send it. >> i contacted you all. and here we are. >> reporter: after helpful emails and phone calls, his job took a different route after finding his family. >> i'm delivering the mail to arkansas. >> i'm very excited. and very tearful. >> reporter: debbie smith, his niece, says the letters got lost when a family member in tennessee sent them to her in texas in a package full of family history. >> it didn't look like someone had opened it. just the package came apart. >> reporter: joanne smith, marion's youngest sister says all of her five siblings died. marion died in 2010 and the letters in her hands are single to none. >> for me it's a connection
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with my family. >> they could hardly wait to read his word for the first time. >> ask joanne if she remembers me. >> i just appreciate alvin. he has really gone out of his way. people connect in different levels. and, i feel as connected to alvin as i do my family. >> reporter: thankful their family history was not lost. alvin, a marine corp. veteran understands. >> i wrote letters home to my parents in iraq. >> he was a hugger. >> reporter: his letters are still doing that now as they consider alvin part of the family. >> he made mom cry. >> a simple act of kindness takes us off the air tonight. and i want to apologize. i should not have made a stormy daniels joke earlier. certainly not about a woman. and certainly not about a woman who had a tough day on the stand. and on that note, i wish you a very good night. ari melber is up next. for all of

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