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that's going to do it for me tonight but now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. you know, if i seem a little off my game tonight it is because i made a mistake last night. i started to read jen psaki's book before going to sleep. which means i almost didn't get to sleep. for example, can you imagine a white house chief of staff changing a diaper in the white house?

on a baby that is not his baby? let's start there, okay? >> wow. that took a twist at the end. i thought i knew where you were going but then it was like someone else's baby. >> okay and guess whose baby it was okay and jen psaki has worked for the last three democratic nominees for president. do you want to guess which one she was terrified of? john kerry, barack obama, joe biden, the answer will be coming later when jen psaki joins us. which one gave her a bear hug after the job interview ? which one actually did not hire her for the job she interviewed for. it is every one of these

things. there are so many things in here that could have been great fictional scenes, the job i miss the most in the world is being in the writer's room at the west wing nbc's series about a fictional white house, and there are so many things in here that would just go straight into the show if we knew that stuff then. it is just gems. >> lawrence, if you are implicitly offering that you and i should write a screenplay based on trial -- jen psaki's book and make her into a west wing style avatar for the trump and pre-trump era in american politics, the answer is yes. >> you, and we don't have to fictionalize her or her father, who has a fantastic reaction to the way reporters treat her in the white house press briefing room. the details are just fantastic. >> get to it, lawrence. >> thank you. we will get to jen psaki later in this hour. the book is amazing. they wrote it down. the conspiracy was written out

on paper. that is rare in criminal prosecutions. prosecutors are usually left explaining to juries that you know, criminal conspirators don't write it all down, but that is what they did. in the trump office on fifth avenue and in the white house. today, donald trump's jury was shown the handwritten conspiracy to pay back michael cohen for paying $130,000 to adult film star stormy daniels to purchase her silence before the presidential election about what she has since described as one very quick sexual encounter with donald trump. donald trump's financial mastermind, convicted felon analyte -- allen weisselberg, but the conspiracy in his handwriting on michael kahn's bank statement and then another financial officer in the trump

shop put the whole thing in his handwriting on trump company stationery. that handwritten conspiracy called for michael cowinner to be paid for his payments to stormy daniels and the final handwriting presented to the jury's -- jury today were his signature on the checks to michael cohen. it did not really matter much what today's witness, jeffrey mccarney, told the jury but he did confirm that is allen weisselberg's handwriting on michael cohen's bank statement. question, do you recognize this document? asking, yes. this is the bank statement allen gave me to put in the files. >> i recognize the handwriting

on the left side of the page but not the right side of the page. his handwriting do you recognize on the left side of the page. that's allen weisselberg. i've read his handwriting for about 35 years. >> the writing on the right side of the page is likely to turn out to be michael cohen's writing showing allen weisselberg why he was owed $50,000 more than the $130,000 he paid to stormy daniels. the $50,000 was for a previous expense he paid to affirm to rig online polls for donald trump. according to allen weisselberg's notes, he grossed up the $180,000-$360,000. question. what does grossed up in maine? answer i don't know exactly what it meant but he probably meant so for tax purposes if michael recorded $350,000 income he would net $180,000 assuming a 50% tax rate.

allen weisselberg then added in his writing an annual bonus of $60,000 bringing the total to be paid to michael cohen to be $30,000 per month and then donald trump's signed checks to michael cohen for $35,000 per month were presented to the jury. my cross-examination of one of crops criminal -- trumps criminal defense lawyers asked if he ever spoke to donald trump. question, you did not talk to him about those events in 2017? >> answer, i did not. >> and you did not talk to him about those events in 2018 either? answer, i did not. before any testimony was heard tonight, judge merchan once again held trump in contempt of court for violating the gag

order that forbids trump saying anything about the jury in this case. the judge handed out a five- page written opinion and order in which he responded to the prosecution's request donald trump be found in contempt for violating the gag order four more times. judge merchan found only one of those alleged violations was proved beyond a reasonable doubt. the judgment defendant violated the order by making public statements about the jury and how it was selected. in doing so, the defendant not only called into question the integrity and therefore the legitimacy of these proceedings but again raised the specter of fear for the safety of jurors and of their loved ones . because this is now the 10th time that this court has found a defendant in criminal contempt spending three separate motions, it is apparent

that monetary fines have not and will not suffice to deter the defendant from violating this court's lawful orders. therefore, the defendant is hereby put on notice that if appropriate and warranted, future violations of its lawful orders will be punishable by incarceration. not trusting donald trump to actually read his order, the judge then spoke directly to donald trump when he handed out his written decision and looking directly at donald trump. judge merchan said in open court, quote, going forward, this court will have to consider a jail sanction if recommended. mr. trump, it is important to understand that the last thing i want to do is put you in jail. you are the former president of the united states and possibly the next president, as well. there are many reasons why an

incarceration is truly a last resort for me. to take that step would be disruptive to these proceedings, which i imagine you want to end as quickly as possible. i also worry about the people who would have to execute that sanction, the court officers, the corrections officers, the secret service detail among others. i worry about them and about what would go into executing such a sanction. of course, i am also aware of the broader implications of such a sanction. the magnitude of such a decision is not one-sided, but at the end of the day, i have a job to do and part of that job is to protect the dignity of the judicial system and compel respect. your continued violations of this court's lawful order threatened to interfere with the administration of justice in constant attacks which constitute a direct attack on the rule of law. i cannot allow that to continue, so is much as i do not want to impose a jail sanction, and i have done everything i can to avoid doing so, i want you to understand that i will.

if necessary and appropriate. leading off our discussion tonight, adam, who was in the courtroom today and will be there every day for us in the trunk trial. also, andrew weissmann, former chief of the [ inaudible ] division. and neil, former active u.s. solicitor general, who has argued over 50 cases before the united states supreme court. he is a professor at georgetown law. andrew and neil are both msnbc legal analyst analysts and andrew, i want to begin with the judges discussion of contempt this morning. he hands out his opinion and

then he speaks extemporaneously from the bench addressing himself directly to donald trump. didn't seem to register on the defendant? >> absolutely, lawrence, and the fact that it registers is memorialized in the conferences that trump does every day. the reporters tried to, i don't think this is too strong a word, bait him to again violate the gag order asking and by reading some of the questions here. is stormy daniels a liar, is michael cohen a liar? could you do a night at rikers? why did you pay michael cohen? asked about the jury. each time, nothing from trump and it's clear to see why trumpism stating because this is the first time judge merchan has vocalized that threat to trump and if he put it out loud in open court and if the prosecutors brought another alleged violation to his bench, and he heard it, he found another violation, he threw down the gauntlet. if he doesn't throw trump in jail, he would look entirely like a paper tiger and trump got that message and it was

evident in the press conferences during the proceedings and after the proceedings of the day. >> andrew, when we hear jail, we are all thinking rikers island and sending a former president to rikers island with his secret service detail. we could hear in what the judge that from the bench that he is concerned with the things i've wondered about, which is how does the secret service do this? how do the local officials handle it? how do they interact? how does it work? in real, practical terms, what are the options the judge has that could involve some measure of incarceration without necessarily it be in rikers island? >> leaving aside that he just

says you know what, i can consider this later. i can decide what sentence to impose later. if there is a conviction i can decide how it relates to the sentence i imposed on the criminal content. i can actually give the symptoms afterward but let's say he wants to do something right now, because he really wants to send a message now to stop. >> can you just go back a second that? so, he could make an announcement in court to say there is going to be a sentence of incarceration, which i'm going to decide later? >> yes. he could say i am going to sentence you later. you should know, fines are no longer sufficient. what that sentence will be is going to wait and if there is a conviction i can also consider your continued conduct and deciding what sentence to impose, so all of that he could kick down the road but when he says i need to do something now that is more than that, that's the idea of having sort of a babysitter monitoring his tweets and truth socials. there's something called house arrest. he could be set up under lock and key at night. he could be just put in the

back of the court, when prisoners are brought to the courthouse there is a holding pen and he could literally just say you are going to be in the holding pen in the courthouse so you could say no what? at lunchtime that's where you're going to be kept. it could keep him there some hours into the evening. there are ways to fashion incarceration without saying for 30 days you're going to be in jail and be brought back and forth from rikers, so there are ways for him to do incremental punishment and that is what judges do look to do is figure out what is the next step and i agree with adam. no matter how much bravado, this is not something his thinking you know what, can have a really great time at rikers. the new york court system is a difficult place. >> having seen donald trump in court now for a couple of days not today, but last week, this idea of using the jailing

capacity that they have to have a courthouse for criminal defendants who are being held in jail at rikers island when they bring them to the courthouse as a place to lock them up while they're there, to say to him you have to be here at 8:00 am and we are going to lock you into that spot and then during the recesses -- they have a recess in the morning. they have a lunch break for an hour and a half. they have a recess in the afternoon, we are going to lock you up for each one of those pea ridge are going to be taken directly from the courtroom so you won't be stopping to talk to reporters anymore, that would be, for him, that would be severe stuff. >> it would be relatively severe, lawrence, but i guess i got to say, i got to call it. i think donald trump got a bit lucky with this judge. you don't see criminal defendants doing what donald trump has done repeatedly violate a gag order. today was the 10th time this happened.

you know, and it's just another monday for donald trump and so i was glad to see the judge personally address donald trump today, as you talked about, and the like, but i do think you know, trump has gotten lucky that he has not faced either the kind of sanctions you and andrew just talked about or my idea, which was to impose the criminal sentence right now say you are guilty. i'm going to suspend the execution of it until after the trial is over and were going to watch her behavior but you have now done more than what a $1000 fine is worth. you have trampled on the court. you've trampled on the jury and look, i can promise you there are a whole lot of defendants out there who wish they were given even a fraction of the leniency that judge merchan has given to donald trump for his repeated violations of the law. >> to the evidence, it seems like they got the plot in writing on these two pieces of

paper or the jurors will be able to hold these in their hands and their in the jury room, ask for these exhibits, take a look at them. it seems to be all there. the point, if it is that, that the defense scored at the end of this testimony about what all these notations mean, has donald trump never had a conversation about any of this with this witness today who himself wrote out the version of the conspiracy on this piece of paper? >> that was addressed in redirect examination at the very end in this very skillful exchange. the prosecutor asks, have you come to learn since leaving the trump organization that there were matters that mr. weiselberg kept you in the dark about? objection from trump's lawyer. overruled. trump's lawyer persists hearsay, it's overruled. yes, so your answer is yes?

sorry, yes. this was all happening above her head? yes. you were told to do something and you did it? yes. i have no further questions, so it -- whatever blow, and it was a blow, saying that he did not have a conversation with trump mitigated by the prosecutor showing and eliciting this fairly damning exchange that jeff mcconney was kept in the dark. >> i want to squeeze in a break here. we're going to come back and go over today's evidence and consider how far this prosecution has come and how far they have to go. we are going to be right back. . ♪ ♪ welcome to the roots of our legacy. where excellence, comfort, and electricity... are forever in bloom.

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>> i'm going to do a mini summation on what you were talking with adam about in terms of well, this witness could not say had a conversation with donald trump because exhibits 35 and 36, the two handwritten notations, one of which is on the hush money payment bank record, it's not some loose piece of paper, it's on that. this witness says i don't deal with donald trump directly so ask yourself, allen weisselberg, why would he possibly do this? why would he dare do this, which is to not only reimburse michael cohen hundred and $30,000, but reimburse him another hundred and $30,000 without telling his boss? he would be fired for that. like why would you do that on your own? two, there has been ample testimony about donald trump is a micromanager, so what are you

going to do, slip it by him? by the way, as he pointed out, he is signing the checks and seeing the invoices so you can have to hope you can ask any questions while he's paying double the amount of money. third, we know from hope hicks that she said he said to me that he knew these were reimbursements to michael cohen. he knew that michael cohen had paid hush money and she said he knew these were reimbursements. he had reimbursed him for it. so there is no question about what this is, and four, we know from records, some of which were just introduced today that donald trump himself said i was reimbursing michael cohen for the hush money payments, so it is true that this witness does not know the full picture, but that happens all the time, the idea that this would've happened

under donald trump's nose, and everyone was somehow conspiring to keep it from him while he asked to sign the checks? preposterous. >> a bookkeeper justified at the end of the day today saying that donald trump personally had to approve anything above $10,000. any expenditure above $10,000. >> yes and you know, the new york times has a piece right now called something like the boring documents that might save trump and the documents today that andrew just referred to, exhibits 35 and 36 in conjunction with that testimony, that trump approved all expenses over $10,000, does make it really hard for donald trump. there are records here in trump is indicted for 34 counts, 11 checks to michael cullen. 11 invoices from:, 12 entries in the general ledger and i think andrew is exactly right. what possible reason would allen weisselberg have to double the amount of money? i mean, this defense by donald

trump makes just about as much sense as his covid policy. it just doesn't fly, and so i think if you are sitting there on the jury and listening to this testimony, yes, some of it is really dry and arcane but at the end of the day, this is the kind of testimony that is going to sink donald trump. >> adam, one thing both of these pieces of paper do is corroborate michael cohen's story of how he made the payment because here is one piece of paper that actually his bank statement shows to make the payment, then you have weiselberg's notes from how to pay him back for this payment, including to take care of his tax liability that would come with it but michael cohen could not possibly have known that jeff mcconney separately created this document as an --

in his own handwriting. this guy never spoke to michael cohen about this in the testimony so this document that michael cohen could not know existed corroborates in line for line. >> it is an incredible amount of corroboration and to your point, this is not only referring to michael cohen. the weiselberg notations are on michael cohen's bank statement. it is through michael collins shell company, essential consultants llc, through which he funneled $130,000 to stormy daniels' lawyer, something you can see on this notation. prosecutors probably could not have dreamed of a more incriminating placement of these notations that spells out the prosecution's theory of the case, $180,000 roasted up and on connie's document says two times for taxes, grossed up, it has his payment to redbook viewers to read online polls in trump's favor.

it goes through it in extraordinary detail. on the worst placement trump could have imagined. >> when we look back at the prosecutor's opening, where are we now in the case, and how far do we have to go, and in the logic of this, is the next witness, ellis -- allen weisselberg, to explain this notation may here or does he even have to? because the trump lawyers have been so unprofessional, i would say unethical, the prosecutors are not telling them who their next witness is. they find out when the prosecutors say the people call in the room, so none of us know who the next witness is. >> that is actually because of donald trump sections, the 10 criminal contempt are good and sufficient reason why you cannot give them the normal courtesy.

i do not think we are going to see allen weisselberg. the notes in this case really speak for themselves and you have jeff mcconney doing something important because i always wondered how are they going to identify the handwriting ? well, you have jeff mcconney and this is not borrowing a pair from the january 6th committee. these are insiders to the trump organization. these are not friends of democrats. these are people in the trump organization. where are we going to go from here? i think there is a good argument for closing the case out, but i don't think that's what's going to happen. at the end of the day today, they said it's probably got two weeks left. that means we are probably going to hear from michael cohen. we are certainly going to hear from some insiders at the white

house as to the mechanics. it's pretty clear as we know it but i think we are going to get a little bit more detail about what is presented to donald trump as president and that he sees the invoice attached to the bill, so he signed the check. it's got an invoice. it is stapled together and set back so those invoices are presented at the same time. that is going to be an interesting fact. the invoices are interesting and i think we will hear more about that because they talk about current work that is being done and of course the d.a. will say that's false. there was no current work. they were just reimbursements for the hush money payments and then obviously michael cohen and stormy daniels are witnesses we could still hear from. >> you know, that little item

-- i've been looking at his handwriting for 35 years. it might not be much to the typical viewer out here but it is actually, as we know, quite a big deal, getting someone to confirm whose handwriting that is on a piece of paper in a courtroom with the evidentiary standards required in a courtroom is not easy unless the person is identifying their own handwriting, so it is moments like that where things go the prosecutors way and very helpful, quick ways like that. >> that is exactly right and i think what it also did a show look, these people have been working together for a long time and it raises the inference, why is this payment, which looks so aberrational and unlike anything else, what is going on here in the district attorney has to prove that donald trump made knowingly false business records with an intent to further or conceal another crime. here, that is campaign finance violations and we have last weeks testimony from hope hicks saying that trump was aware of the hush money, at least at the time of repayment and now the question is, can the prosecutors show that trump knew the business record was false, and did trump do this with the intent of trying to help his campaign? hicks already went the long way

and that. the next big thing is probably michael: what is his credibility going to look like? we are already seeing skirmishes of that in the courtroom through the testimony of other witnesses and certainly i don't think the jury is going to like michael cohen as a person but they do just have to believe he's telling the truth about donald trump and when you have all of this corroborating documentation that came out today, i think the prosecutors have done a really splendid job and moving the ball forward. >> thank you all very much for joining our discussion tonight. coming up, in jen psaki's new book, we learn what she used to do right before stepping on camera in the white house press briefing room. we will ask her to demonstrate that move tonight. she worked for three democratic presidential nominees in her book reveals which one terrified her, which one gave

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the mother of one of the thousands of babies born in this country on july 13, 2015 got a congratulations phone call from the president of the united states. that mother thanked president obama for his congratulations call, and now says i could hear

the president chuckling in the background as i quickly moved from my joy at the new mom -- being a new mom to asking him about the status of the iran nuclear deal. that is just one of the stories told in jen psaki's new book. jen writes to this day, the three questions i'm asked most about my time at the white house are one, what is joe biden really like? two, did you get nervous before briefings? three, how much do you hate peter ducey? >> all options are on the table. is restarting kika stone -- keystone construction one of them? >> if you are saying trying to address any supply, that's not a problem. we are already getting that oil. the pipeline is not the supply. it is not an oilfield.

jen psaki's father, former republican , told her i could never do your job. i would just want to rip their heads off. jen psaki did not think she could do the job either when she first applied for it and came in second to jay carney in the obama white house. she has a history of seeking more responsibility from her bosses in campaigns and in the white house and in surprising first of all herself at how well she can actually do those jobs. she was rejected for the job of white house press secretary twice in the obama administration then began that job on day one of the biden administration. she decided to do something that had never been done before, give a televised press briefing from the white house on day one, on inauguration day. the night before, she was pacing around her kitchen and sweatpants, stilling her brain -- filling her brain with all of the announcements for day

one then quote, an issue popped into my head that i felt unprepared to address. i started pacing faster. jen psaki had been under pressure before working for secretary of state, john kerry, for her mother was, don't start a war, but her first white house press briefing was going to be even more pressure. she chose something comfortable from her closet, a blue dress from j.crew. in the middle of a global, deadly pandemic, she would be delivering the most important statement to the world that day by anyone other than president biden about what had changed in the white house at 12:00 noon when the staff of the pathologically lying former president left the building. i will never forget watching that first jen psaki white house press briefing because at the end of her 31 minutes, i realized i was watching the best white house press secretary i had ever seen.

>> good evening, everyone. thank you for joining us on this historic day. it is an honor to be here with all of you. when the president asked me to serve in this role, we talked about the importance of bringing truth and transparency back to the briefing room, and he asked me to ensure we are communicating about the policies across the biden harris administration of the work is team is doing every single day on behalf of all- american people. there will be times when we see things differently in this room, i mean among all of us. that's okay. that is part of our democracy. >> joining us now is jen psaki, former white house press secretary and host of inside .

her new amazing book, say more, is available tomorrow. >> i was just watching you watch her at that first white house press briefing. it looked like i was watching her mother watch a daughter. i just remember like it was yesterday how nervous i was that day and i talk a little bit about this in the book but just feeling like i just need to go out there and not screw up. i had a little shimmy before i went out. i just remember thinking, and i had had this conversation with president biden as i also talk about in the book, about how the country was so frayed. the nerves of the country were so afraid in the best thing i

could do, a small sliver on that day, was to try to settle some of the nerves so it just really brings me back to that moment. >> you answered one of the questions for the audience. you reveal in the book you and karine would do the shoulder shimmy together. do you do that here before you go on? >> i do that. i also do a tad lasso. i'm a huge ted lasso fan and rebecca, who is the greatest character on that show, talks about before she would go meet with the soccer heads how she would make herself like a tree and make herself big and i used to do that quite frequently before the briefing, just to prepare for what i was facing on the other side of the door. >> so, you worked for three presidential nominees -- john kerry, barack obama, joe biden. you worked for all three of these people.

you know, i could not find an average one you liked best. >> i love them all. >> who is your favorite? watch this press secretary spend to this question. >> i learned something from all of them. i do talk about how they are different kinds of losses and how important it is to navigate that. >> let's go to the fun. which one terrified you? >> i was terrified -- i don't know if i would use that word. >> up you used that word several times. >> okay, barack obama. and you've worked for, i feel like this is one of the things you and i connect on as our shared love of public service and he is someone who you always felt like, i still to this day feel like he always knows the briefing materials before you brief him. he has already thought about the questions are about to answer, and it's intimidating because he is such a larger- than-life figure and it took me a long time to really feel comfortable giving him feedback. >> i worked, as you know, for

senator moynahan, who was a harvard professor before becoming a senator and widely regarded as the smartest guy in the building and therefore kind of intimidating not from anything he did, just because he was so smart, so my strategy for the first year was to not say a word. >> that's how i was, and this makes me feel so much better, lawrence. that's how i was and i was just kind of a wallflower in the back of the room. i would kind of volunteer -- i would say oh, someone else could go to the meeting for me. >> if barack obama were in the meeting you were afraid of going to the meeting. >> i was afraid of saying something stupid and it took me a long time to get over that and recognize that you are not serving your boss. now i want to know how you got over it. >> i didn't speak for a year, therefore at the end of the year, i was the only person who hadn't said something stupid in a year and then i was presumed to be smart. >> maybe that's why it lasted so long working for barack

obama, too. >> which one gave you the bearhug? >> john kerry. and i remember going in and sitting in meeting with him about the state department press secretary job, spokesperson job and he had this reputation when he ran for president as being so aloof and unfriendly. it is completely the opposite of who he is. he is an extrovert, a friendly person who is outgoing and loves being around people. it taught me a lot about how politicians are caricatured often for the good or the bad and he is certainly somebody who is quite different from what you think. >> just a name for an answer to this one. i think it is process of elimination, but which one of them got on the phone with your father? >> joe biden, no question. they had a long conversation, which made me nervous. >> okay. so much more to get to. we will be back with jen psaki. this book is fabulous. saki. this book is fabulous. migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. it's the only migraine medication that helps treat & prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using.

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seems like a white house chief of staff changing a diaper in the white house for a baby that was not his baby than the white house press secretary having to spend her own -- been her own children about the tooth fairy when they overheard someone say that the tooth fairy isn't real and jen psaki was that white house press person. i mean, the white house press secretary at home spinning her kids about the tooth fairy. >> you learn a lot from your kids about communicating, i will tell you. >> yes, and that introductory moment is so fantastic. so, the white house chief of staff is changing your baby's diaper. if someone had pitched that in the west wing i would've said no no no, you got understand the -- white house chief of staff doesn't have time to change his own babies diapers, like that's

never going to happen. >> the story of that day is even better. i just told the sliver of it because my daughter at the time was a little under one. she had a low-grade fever. i had to pick her up today karen is that i have some meetings i have to go to so i just brought her back to the white house. dennis mcdonough was the chief of staff. changed her diaper, took her out to play on a swingset that was there for sasha and melia. she traveled around the west wing and i was about to take her home and the presidents assistant at the time said the president really wants you to stay because your daughter is here and he's had a tough day with a meeting of a bunch of lawyers and he loves babies so i took him into the oval office. he played with my daughter. we have amazing pictures, and that was the totality of the day and i thought my day was going to be so difficult because i had to pick up my daughter. >> by the way, each one of these buses read as great bosses. >> they all were. >> it's one of the best portraits of john kerry i ever

read is in this book from a great perspective. joe biden, barack obama, and barack obama, the one who terrified you the most in his way, without him ever trying to terrify you, let's get that on the record. you make a gigantic mistake working for president obama, gigantic. >> many. >> and his response to it when it finally gets to him is you are normally an a student, so i'm going to let this one slide. >> which is his persona, as you will know from covering him and interviewing him, is that he's pretty stadium that was always my experience. that day and the story you're talking about is the day i missed the plane. i was an hour late to the plane. the presidential nominee had to wait for me to take the plane that's exactly what he said. >> there are so many insights to each of these men in this book through your eyes and what do you hope people take away about who they are?

>> i hope people take away that at a time when our institutions are being attacked, when so many people think every politician is rotten out there, that there are deeply good human beings who are there for the right reason and who are in public service for the right reason and i worked for two presidents, one almost president , and all of these men deeply cared about the country, deeply cared about our democracy, deeply cared about doing good for people and i tried to tell a lot of stories about them and who they were a my experiences working for them. >> this by the way is just a rehearsal for what we are going to do wednesday night. we are going to do the long version and talk about this. jen psaki, the book is "say more." this is a great mother's day book. we will be right back. you are not doing this. save with drivewise and get a rate based on you.

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