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spectroscope and that, that energy field, i would be very interested in hearing what she has to say. to me, it was completely

indiscernible. >> standby, mary trump has the y answer. thank you, rachel. for the jury filed into the courtroom today to hear testimony in the case of the people of the state of new york versus donald j trump, judge merchan issued his ruling to the lawyers of what would actually happen to donald trump if he were to testify in his own defense in this trial. no, of course, before the judge issued his ruling about what evidence the prosecution would be allowed to use to attack donald trump's credibility as ad witness, there was absolutely no reason to believe donald so trump was going to actually testify in his own defense. donald trump is incapable of telling the truth and that would become quickly obvious to the jury, who would probably ju find themselves watching donald trump commit perjury and probably concluding that they were watching him committing perjury. so, there really was no chance donald trump was going to t

testify. but, here is what the judge ruled the prosecution could bring up if donald trump were to take the witness stand. the judge said the prosecution could bring up the fact that, "the defendant was found to have violated executive law section 63 by fraudulently misstating the value of its assets for an economic benefit ." that is the attorney general's case in new york. and that, "the defendant violated a court order by failing to remove an untrue, disparaging, and personally identifying post about the courts principal law clerk from the website, donald j trump.com. the court find the defendant $5000 resents. the prosecution would be allowed to use the fact that, "the defendant was found to d have intentionally violated a court order by making public attacks on the judges law ck clerk, despite two prior court

orders not to do so. the court find the defendant $10,000.00. the judge also ruled prosecutors would be able to bring up the fact that, "the defendant was found to have defamed e jean carroll in public statements in 2019 by making false statements with actual malice." and that, "the defendant was found to have defamed e jean carroll in public statements made in 2022 onto social by making a false statement with actual malice." and the prosecution would be d allowed to confront donald trump with the fact that, "the defendant stipulated to the dissolution of the donald j trump foundation to resolve claims by the new york attorney general that he engaged in repeated and willful self-dealing transactions." so, there should be no suspense tonight about donald trump testifying in his own defense. f he could not possibly survive

questions about e jean carroll, his public attacks on court personnel, with jurors sitting there in the room with court personnel, wondering if donald trump is going to attack those court personnel or those jurors themselves. then there was another powerful indication that donald trump will not, cannot testify in his own defense today and that was when his defense lawyer testified for donald trump. saying this, "i expect that you will learn that when ms. daniels threatened to go public with her false claim of sexual encounter with the president trump back in 2008, that it was, as the people just said, very close to the election. and it was almost an attempt by ms. clifford, ms. daniels to extort president trump to which prosecutors said objection and the judge sustained.

" there is donald trump's criminal defense lawyer saying donald trump never had a sexual encounter with stormy daniels. stormy daniels has publicly described in detail. donald trump was alone in a hotel room with stormy daniels while donald trump's wife was e home with his four month old son at the time. the only people who can testify about what happened in that room are stormy daniels and donald trump, not donald trump's defense lawyer. donald trump is not going to testifying. there will never be a moment when donald trump sits on that witness stand and says i did not have with stormy daniels. today, donald trump's criminal defense lawyer did it for him. mr. blanche try to get away with testifying for donald trump in his opening statement by saying stormy daniels

description of her sexual encounter with donald trump is false. according to stormy daniels, who has spoken about it ha publicly many times, it was a sexual encounter that did not last long and that in the pre- and post-sexual chatter, donald trump, among other things, compared stormy daniels to his oldest daughter. stormy daniels has given us my plenty of detail about. the essence of the trump defense is that the $420,000.00 that was paid to michael cohen was paid for legal services having nothing to do with stormy daniels. donald trump's criminal defense lawyers told the jury, "you will hear that he, michael cohen, did legal work for president trump and the first lady, as his personal attorney. you will learn that each month in 2017, michael cohen sent an invoice to some of the ic employees at trump tower right here in midtown for $35,000.00.i on this invoice, michael cohen described his work as payment

to the retainer agreement for legal services rendered. the invoice was processed. somebody at trump tower generated a check. the check was ultimately signed and there was a record in a letter on president trump's personal records that reflected the invoice. for nine of the checks, the check made its way to the white house, president trump's ended. you will hear he is the only signatory of his personal checking account, which is why he sent the check. so, what on earth is a crying? what is a crime about what i just described?" the prosecution's answer to that question was that it was all, "a planned, coordinated, long-running conspiracy to influence the 2016 election to d help donald trump get elected through illegal expenditures to sentence people who have something bad to say about his behavior using doctored corporate records and bank forms to conceal those payments along the way. it was election fraud, pure and simple.

persecutors said, "we will never know and it doesn't matter, if this conspiracy was r the difference maker in a close election. " in the prosecution revealed a communication on election night, 2016, between stormy daniels lawyer and dylan howard at "the national enquirer", who was part of the conspiracy to suppress negative information about donald trump the prosecutor told the jury, you will also see evidence that on election night, as news outlets got closer to calm the election for donald trump, keith davidson, who was the lawyer for both stormy daniels and karen mcdougal texted dylan howard at "the national enquirer" and he said "what have we done?" meeting of the discussion me tonight, adam klotz field, who was in the courtroom, in the courthouse today and who will be there every day for us for the trial. he is a follow at justice security.

also during this, former fbi general counsel, andrew weissman. and melissa murray, they are both nyu law professors and msnbc legal analysts and co- authors of the new york times best-selling book "the trump indictments, the historic charging documents with commentary." adam, you are our eyes and ears in there. you are getting the juror experience of taking the picture of it all. what do you think the jurors went on with today? >> they came home with a lot of information because this was an alert jury. they were wrapped in attention w both in the prosecution and th defense statements. and, they came home with this bombshell quote that ended your introduction, limit, the what have we done ? it was almost in oppenheimer -like moment where you have stormy daniels lawyer with a recognition that, and which is the central theory of

the case for the prosecution, e that this is related to the election. with a very powerful moment and it came within a powerful monologue, which you read a lo part of, that it was election fraud, pure and simple. so, that was a very powerful moment. we had, they also came away with, from the defense opening statement a stop and go affair, where todd blanche was frequently interrupted by objections that were sustained and the jurors cannot help but have noticed that todd blanche kept touching the tripwire. >> what about that, for the jury, we get the transcript, it is a cold transcript, as they say, do you, could you feel that the defense was scoring any points at all, capturing anything that the jurors were paying attention to? >> there was this one moment where i could see one juror nodding along when todd blanche had made the point that, it was in this moment where he was

saying that influencing an t election is not a crime, it is democracy. there was a moment he was talking, going further into that statement with just kind me of turning to the page here where he was sort of going through that a little bit further. and, one of the jurors nodded along. where he found it persuasive or he just caught his eye, who knows. but, it did show that it caught the attention of at least one member of the panel. >> professor melissa murray, a former president of the united states has now spent one day of his life as a criminal defendant during testimony in ad criminal trial in front of the jury. >> constitutional law professors all over the country, the mind boggles at this point. we are just about to write exams so this is perfect. s

this was an extra in every moment. the idea of a former president of the united states being held to account by a jury of 12 ordinary new yorkers is truly ry an extra ordinary act. andrew and i talk about this in the book. these are extra ordinary times for us. but, again, not for other countries where it has been relatively routine to hold former leaders even has a l state, to account for their misconduct that was undertaken even before, during, or after their terms in office. so, we have now joined the rest of the world in holding our public leaders to account. >> andrew, we have always been in the years we have covering investigations of donald trump, eager to hear a defense, when the january securities were going on, we were eager to hear what is the trump defense to what we just heard today ? usually in these forms, there ll is no trump events. every once in a while, he would

treat something and we would say here is a piece of defense. we finally, formerly got a defense presentation for the very first time today. did that defense answer the prosecution charge that this was election interference and that this conspiracy, which included the stormy daniels payments was criminal? >> so, you know, one of the things i was listening to when the government was going forward was not just about what witnesses would say. we know they will say david didn't have a good memory or he forgot something or he is some piece that is missing . obviously with respect to michael cohen, they are going to say he's just a liar. you heard that today. but, there was so many what is called hard evidence, there was references, as adam pointed out, to phone calls, really critical phone calls on october 26th, when the mechanism that michael cohen used was created and there were phone calls with donald trump. there is this record where i sort of fell off my chair where allen weisselberg has written

out exactly how the payment scheme worked in his own me handwriting on a piece of paper that allen weisselberg, the cfo, had asked michael cohen to bring and that was his guest chapter and verse and it was said you are going to see that. there are other things like that. and, i was waiting to hear, for instance, the tape recording where we heard about it. e but, you have to say something if you are a defense lawyer about that. donald trump on that tape is not citing what are you talking about? i'm not engaged in some payment scheme. he says can we pick it in cash? for $130,000 and cents. >> in the opening, we didn't hear the defense lawyer, i don't remember the defense lawyer addressing that at all. >> there were these gaps. so, that, i mean, one of my favorite moments, just to give you a sense of, not to be to present about it, but there was sort of a claude rains moment when he was talking about h michael cohen and he had to

distance himself and he said to just imagine how shocked, shocked donald trump was to find out that his lawyer, michael cohen, was engaged in a crime. you were just waiting to hear, this was like straight out of casablanca. so, i think there was sort of a lack of dealing with the evidence. obviously, they still have time to do that. they can do that during the trial, they can do that in closing. in terms of starting the case, i thought, you know what it is great that there is a smart jury. they seemed extremely well educated. that is going to play well if the other side, if the defense doesn't have an answer for those pieces of evidence. >> adam, the defense is that, look, this $420,000 and cents, $35,000.00 a month, as of 2017 was just the agreed on price for, for michael cohen to be the personal lawyer. they are now saying, of donald trump and his wife.

>> and, that is why the point that andrew made a moment ago is so important. and, allen weisselberg wrote it all down. the bank statement i told you about . he, todd blanche put it out there that there is this alternate , innocent expedition for why $420,000.00 does not equal $130,000.00. and, if the explanation the i prosecutor put forward is in writing and that destroys that, that will stay with the jury in terms of the credibility. and, that we have out there from the get-go. >> those numbers, that math sheet has been out there, melissa, for a long time. michael cohen went public with this description of here's how he did it. because is going to have to pay income tax on it, even me up and they are throwing him a bonus of the number equals this. it is not new information and

they've had a long time, the trump team has had a long time to stare at that and say, okay, here's what we are going to do with it and they've chosen, sometimes works in defense, the simplest possible approach to it, which is just say that is just his paycheck for legal services, that's all it is. >> there are moments today where, you read the readout of what had happened and it help ne less like the west wing and more like "the wire." remember the scene where stringer bell, after discussing what they are doing with the truck conspiracy, said one of his minions, are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy? that is the allen weisselberg moment. you wrote all of this down . the defense hasn't said anything about the fact that ng this has been laid out, that michael cohen has been talking about it, that we all know how this works. that is likely because they

don't have to. the prosecution has the uphill battle here. they have the burden of proving this case beyond a reasonable c doubt on every charge. all the defense has to do is sit back and let the prosecution falter. part of the defense here is literally just "like michael cohen is a liar. this is built on a consistent. this will eventually crumble. as long as they concede a little doubt in just a single juror, they will have prevailed. that is what they are sticking to. the other possibilities are much more complicated, given the nature of this case. >> andrew, i am missing a logic point in the defense. i'm going to assume it is there and i am missing it. that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together.

there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everything is predicated on there being falsec business records. but it is not like donald trump himself is actually writing thel false business records. so, they are going to use some of that connective tissue by the state and the other side is going to say look, don't believe that, how can you rely entirely on that? and, this is

where a smart jury is really useful because you are saying this doesn't logically make sense because you don't even e need it. it is corroborated up one side, down the other. that is why one-sided cases as a prosecutor, i look for the smartest jury possible because i wanted somebody to think liked you, this isn't making any sense. you can say he's a bad person or he lacks credibility and it doesn't really matter because he's so corroborated. a lot of times, a witness, a , jury comes back and they say we didn't really believe him, somebody like michael cohen. what they mean by that is we didn't need him. >> we are going to squeeze in a break. we have so much more to cover in today's first real day of st trial. we will be right back. right b. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪♪) shingles. some describe it as an intense burning sensation, or an unbearable itch.

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today, the prosecutor told the jury about the access hollywood video that was revealed by ""the washington post"," during the campaign in the last month of the campaign. the prosecutor said, "the impact of that tape on the campaign was immediate and exclusive." those were the prosecutor's words. "immediate and explosive." in our immediate and explosive coverage of that story, the access hollywood story, that might on this program, republican congressman jason chaffetz, in his one and only appearance on this program came on television that might to

withdraw his support for candidate trump. >> we have video of that somewhere in the control room, or maybe we don't. >> my wife and i, we have a 15- year-old daughter. how in the world could i look my 15-year- old daughter in the eye and say honey, you know what, your dad endorses donald trump for president. i can't do that. i won't do that. that is why i'm withdrawing my endorsement. >> the prosecutor then told the jury prominent allies withdrew their endorsements, they condemned donald trump's language. you will hear testimony that the republican national committee even considered whether it was too late to replace their own nominee and find another candidate for the election a month before the election.

adam klasfeld, so the stage was set by the prosecutor for stormy daniels, her demand, and trump for a day after this and how important it was for the campaign, for the campaign to stop the stormy daniels story from coming out. >> that is absolutely right and that is how the prosecution said that part of their narration up. the chronology was one day after. there is an interesting moment about the access hollywood, the indication of the access hollywood tape. of course during pretrial ruling, judge juan merchan had denied the prosecution's request to play the tape. when the prosecution had opening statements today, the prosecutor lifted up the transcript and gave this cold, actuarial reading that landed with the jury. it was this moment because of

the lack of the tape, there was this cold, crisp delivery of those lines. >> he was reading to them the words we've all heard donald trump say on the video about his favorite actual method of sexual assault and the prosecutor read those exact words to the jury. >> absolutely, holding up the transcript and reciting it verbatim. so, there was that moment. and, one of the interesting things of the entire structure of this opening statement is that it almost backgrounded stormy daniels. it is structured to emphasize that election. it starts with david and michael cohen and trump meeting in trump tower to discuss what the prosecution describes as a three-pronged scheme for favorable coverage for trump, dirty up his opponents, and he the eyes and ears of the campaign and that the third problem was in service of the catch and kill schemes.

and, from there, the prosecution goes to dino sajudin, the doorman. then goes to karen mcdougal, then goes to stormy daniels. in that structure, the prosecution is emphasizing election influence time and again. it is embedded in the structure. even though the 34 felony counts are tethered to stormy daniels, she is almost in the background in the sweep of this narrative. >> melissa murray, stormy daniels lawyers, the same lawyer who has already presented karen mcdougal in her deal for her silence. karen mcdougal has a long running affair with donald trump. she, at a certain point, believes she is in love with him. she meets his family in certain situations. there are photographs of her with them. that is a very different story from the one evening that stormy daniels asked to talk about. and, so, that, that story is not being denied in the same

language, not at all the way todd blanche tried to deny the stormy daniels story today. >> it is unusual . in many ways, the karen mcdougal story is almost more damming, especially in terms of this narrative where everything is set in motion by the revelation of this access hollywood tape. here is candidate trump who has tried to portray himself as a family man or now a reformed christian on the road to damascus and whatnot. you have this long running affair with karen mcdougal and this one night off with stormy daniels. none of it looks great. yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the

election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure anymore because we after the election, which is such a key element in incentives here. >> what the state needs to make sure the jury does not sort of go off on is that this was just a schema with respect to melania trump. that is the john edwards defense. they need to say this isn't just some personal thing, this is about the campaign. the fact of what he does afterwards. apparently, david is going to say into that and 17, he meets with donald trump, who thanks him for helping him win the campaign and win the election. >> that is all in the opening statement today. >> there is no concern about this becoming public because melania trump is going to know about it. one of the, if this is proved up, is a claim that donald trump said can we just put off the payments until after the election? if i win, we don't have to pay.

if i lose, we don't have to pay. i'm not thinking about melania trump, i'm thinking i may not have to pay this money at all and i'm cheap and that doesn't work. they are insisting the money get paid now. that is why the scheme had to happen on october 26th, when essential consulting is created by michael cohen. >> i want to hear you both on more legal reaction to todd blanche on two levels. one, todd blanche asserting that there was no sexual encounter with stormy daniels, in effect testifying for his client , his client who will never testifying, both technically, was not a wise move technically what does that provoke the prosecution in one direction or the other? and, the, what do you do with a criminal defense lawyer who obviously, this is not the last time he's going to try to testify for donald trump in this case. he will try to testify as much as he can for donald trump. what do you do if you are the

judge ? >> one thing you have to recognize about todd blanche, he spent most of his time as a lawyer on the other side, he's a career prosecutor. is only had very limited experience as a defense lawyer. you saw some of that today because of the interrupted nature of his opening statement. some of this was by design. he was testifying on behalf of his client, a of his client. some of it was he's not up to the rhythm of the way the defense works. he kept getting interrupted by the prosecution. if you are a judge and you see the defense lawyer doing this sort of thing, you do have to step in and judge juan merchan did this. at some point, there will be a sidebar. the game is up and you have to stop doing this or we will have a problem. some of this is by design, some is inadvertent. >> one of the things you may see is a motion by the state saying, you know, here is a litany of things that were

claimed as to which we do not think there is a good faith basis to make those claims now. if later the defendant were to testify, then they can make those arguments. right now, you should preclude it. i think they are clearly going to watch the record. a lot of this is a judgment call. it helps that the prosecution team is really experienced. the judge is incredibly experienced. he's going to figure out when to lower the boom. i think that todd blanche is not going to get a lot of leeway , given his behavior so far. >> so, 9:30 a.m. tomorrow starts with a discussion of trumps possible violations of the gag order, which includes no comments about jury. the breaking news of the evening is donald trump's new comment about the jury. let's listen to what donald trump said tonight about the jury. >> that jury was picked so fast. 95% democrats. the area is mostly all democrat. you think of it as just a purely democrat area. it is a very unfair situation

that i can tell you. >> to begin with, he is lying about the jury. he doesn't know they are 95% democrats. manhattan is not 95% democratic., donald trump got 85,000 votes in manhattan. he got 12% of the vote in manhattan. adam, this is clearly going to be added to the agenda in that hearing tomorrow. >> absolutely. the list keeps expanding. we were at 10 before today. this was one more to add to the list, if not more. i haven't read truth social in the past hour or so. it is a very clear the prosecution has asked for a $1000.00 fine for each violation. so, that could add up very quickly. beyond that, they want to put on notice that he could spend up to 30 days in jail for further violations. we will see what judge juan merchan says . we will see if he lays down the gauntlet and put him on notice. but, this is explicitly

trained, it seems, as a provocation. >> melissa murray, the jury, this is his second public statement about the jury. very specific, specifically, clearly a violation of the gag order. >> 100%. i think judge juan merchan is presently interested here in securing the privacy and the safety of the jury. this is a civic duty, a public service. no one is asking to be here. they are doing their duty and he wants to keep them safe. this is going to be the place where he lowers the boom. this will not be tolerated going forward. >> andrew, the day began with judge juan merchan in his chambers with the lawyers from both sides and a juror , an alternate juror, one of the jurors who, over the weekend, got scared and thought this is more than i can take. made a call to the court saying i don't know if i can do this. the judge wanted to hear from that juror today. we have seen the transcript.

so, completely understandable how this juror was shaken by this. so, on a day where the judge begins his day with that issue, jury security, his day ends with donald trump making a public statement about the jury. >> so, one, i think he will be found in contempt of court, which is a violation of the order. there is a problem of it being done strategically to manipulate who on the jury is going to have cold feet. we already saw something that appears to have been that last week. the judge has to be worried about both things. exactly what melissa said in terms of protecting jurors and witnesses. but, also protecting the composition so this isn't gamesmanship. i know that donald trump is goading him to do this. but, you know, my view is you have to do your job. treat him like anyone else. there is no way somebody to this would not spend some time

in jail. it's not possible. the 11 times the night before you are deliberately violating this with respect to jurors, of all things, you would go to jail. >> there's plenty of defendants in that building who spend every night in jail awaiting trial and during trial, coming to and from jail during trial something they know how to do. andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, melissa murray, thank you very much for joining us on this important night. really appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, mary trump will join us to discuss what she believes the jury will see when they look at criminal defendant trump in that courtroom. that is next. next.

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our next guest, mary trump, wrote this about the ordeal her uncle is now going through in a criminal courtroom. "in the courtroom, however, donald can't speak out of turn. he will be subject to the judges rules. and, a lot of people are going to see certain traits, like his focus, his temper, his sense of grievance, that may play well to some in certain settings but that in this setting will come

across very differently. he will be seen to be rude, weak, and incapable of controlling himself when bound by the same rules to which the rest of us must conform." "there is a reason he tried to get this case delayed until the 11th hour. even after day one, it was clear donald wasn't very well. he's experiencing serious psychological trauma. the narcissistic wound that he's suffering right now is basically short-circuiting him. " joining our discussion now is mary trump, clinical psychologist and the niece of donald trump. she is the author of "the good in us." she is also author of "the new york times" best selling book, "the reckoning, our nations trauma and finding a way to heal." mary trump, thank you very much for joining us on this important night . what do you think was going through your uncle's mind in that courtroom and what he might be thinking tonight? >> first and foremost, thank goodness he only had to sit there for three hours.

other than that, he must know it is not going well. and, one of the things i find really quite interesting is the extent to which he seems incapable of connecting with the jury. so, i'm going to be very interested in seeing how that plays out. more than anything else, and i know other people have commented on it, it is incredibly important. it is the extent to which he has no control over the situation and he needs control in order to project the image that he has been able to project for so long. without that control, it all falls apart. we know that donald is a very weak person, or at least some of us know that and that his ego is a very fragile thing that needs to be bolstered in

every moment. he needs the rally, he needs the applause in the dining room at mar-a-lago. he knows, deep down, he does nothing of what he claims to be. he is just this frightened little boy. but, with the help of a lot of smoke and mirrors and sycophants, he has been able to convince other people, and himself that he is actually a successful, tough, killer. we hear that word come up but it is a very important word in donald's psychological history. and, without the control, without being able to control the lighting or the temperature, without being able to leave or use his phone without permission, which he probably wouldn't get, it all starts to on level. and, what i think we are going to see in terms of his desperation in his hallway rants before and after, and his inability to stop glaring at

people who are, or his inability to connect with the people who have, in some sense, his future in their hands, that he can't keep himself any more about his power and his place and his privilege and what is probably even worse, he can't kid anybody else either and he knows it. >> i have a feeling he has always been wrong about how he comes across to people, by which i mean some people were completely charmed by him and liked him. i mean this in the pre- politician era. but, he always came across as just, as "spy magazine," called him, a bulgarian, which was a perfect, if you are out a single adjective about donald trump, this is a very, very small minded bulgarian and

certainly what i've always thought about it, he could never have turned to me in any way. most people i know. he doesn't know that. he never had any idea that there were people who are not just immune to him but took an active dislike for what he obviously represented. so, his disconnect from the jury must also include this mistake he's made his whole life of thinking that everybody thinks i'm great. >> listen, he has had a lot of help. you know, fragile systems bend toward the most dysfunctional person in them. we have seen this time after time in donald's life. the ground zero for this was my family, of course. and then it was the republican party. and then it was the doj, both in his administration and in president biden's administration. time after time after time, we have seen that people in those

systems make a choice, whether it is judge aileen canon or bill barr or the supreme court or merrick garland, whether it is out of fear or favor, they intentionally or not, consciously or not come down on the side of protecting or elevating donald trump so it isn't, it is not any wonder that he would think that he would be able to control any situation he is in and that is why we are going to be seeing some very, potentially disturbing behavior from him in the courtroom and outside of it. after four, five days, it is already manifesting itself. >> he is attacking the jury tonight. he has attacked the jury once before in a direct violation of

the gag order on him and that is the first thing the judge has to rule on tomorrow is how much has donald trump violated that gag order? >> judge juan merchan is in a similar situation in deciding what side shouldn't put it that way, what kind of decision he's going to make. is he, as andrew weissman suggest he should, not judge out of fear or favor and that is what should happen. the whole idea that donald is a victim here of anybody but himself or the whole idea that the system is rigged against him and that it is much more fair to everybody else is laughably absurd, of course. and, it is about time that this madness stop because we know that donald endangers people's lives. and, we know that as you pointed out earlier, we have already seen that there are jurors who are understandably

quite concerned about how this trial and their participation in it, their willingness to do their civic duty may put them, put themselves in harms way, which is just unacceptable. >> donald trump's defense lawyer, todd blanche, said this in his opening statement today. "he's not just donald trump that you've seen on tv and read about and seen photos of, he's also a man, he's a husband, he's a father and he's a person , just like you and just like me." no, i don't know why he didn't include uncle, since you are out there, so this point about he's a husband and a father, that is the first time, and i've done a lot of criminal court rooms watching trials, that is the first time i have seen a criminal defense lawyer describe his client as a husband and a father without, without having the wife and the children in the front roe of the courtroom . this is

something that i've never seen not actually made manifest in the courtroom before. donald trump is in that courtroom alone. jeffrey dahmer's parents were there every single day. it is, it is very hard to find a courtroom where the criminal defendant doesn't have a relative sitting there in the front roe . >> well, a couple of things about that. first of all, it is another example of how he perverts the systems or expectations. for anybody else, that would just be damming, right? just the way he talks about dogs would be damming. how many times have we heard that his bizarre behavior, that he engages in bizarre behaviors or just doesn't conform in a

way that a reasonably well- adjusted human being would? like everything else about him, it just kind of gets baked in, right? it is. it is worth pausing about how unfair, unreal, bizarre, strange, unacceptable, weird, whatever adjective you want to use, it is that he is there alone in terms of friends and family. i think it is worth pointing out . one, i don't think he cares. i don't think it matters to him. that is not where he gets his energy. that is not what gives him solace to the extent that anything does. he is more upset about the fact that there aren't more people outside protesting on his behalf, right? it also points to the bizarre thing about my family that

every transaction in this family is a transactional one. i'm sorry, every relationship, i should say, is a transactional one. his kids have decided, for whatever reason, that it is not worth their time for them to be in that courtroom because they are not going to get anything out of it. that is the way this family roles. >> i wanted to take a look at that courtroom drawing of your uncle falling asleep in the courtroom. and, you know he is consuming all of this news information about the trial. when he looks at that courtroom drawing of himself, what does he feel when he sees that? >> just an unbearable vulnerability. you know, again, to get back to the whole killer vernacular, my grandfather needed a son to be a killer. my father did not fulfill those criteria so it was up to donald even though he knows at some very deep level that he is

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